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Re: [kictanet] Facilitators - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum
by Florence Etta 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

I vote Eng James Rege so that brings his total to 3 and rthe highest so far! FE ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Longwe <blongwe(a)gmail.com> To: florence.etta(a)gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 10:41:20 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Facilitators - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum 1) Engineer Kariuki - 1 2) Florence Etta - 2 3) Ambassador Tabitha Seii - 1 4) Hon. Eng. James Rege, MP - 2 5) David Otwoma - 1 6) Fred Murunga - 1 __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

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FW: [www.eThinkTankTz.org] Simbo Ntiro - Sad News
by Harry Hare 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

For those who knew Simbo Ntiro...very sad news indeed. Harry From: eThinkTankTz(a)yahoogroups.com [mailto:eThinkTankTz@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Sawe Sent: 14 July 2008 13:51 To: ethinktanktz(a)yahoogroups.com; SWOPnet(a)dgroups.org Subject: [www.eThinkTankTz.org] Simbo Ntiro - Sad News Dear colleagues, Today I am dreadfully sorry to have to share tragic information with you. This is that our brother Simbo Ntiro has suffered a terrible car crash in the early hours of Sunday morning (13th July), and that he passed away at the scene, here in Dar es Salaam. We have therefore lost a founding member of our online community and a very energetic participant in national, regional and global efforts in the realm of "ICT for Development". He was to turn only 47 years old next month, and so may have been expected to have plenty more to contribute in many ways. It appears that for some undetermined reason, he lost control of his Honda CRV on Ali Hassan Mwinyi Road, just after passing the small feeder road out of Leader's Club. This caused his car to mount the high pavement and it was stopped by a tree that was hit sideways between the front wheel and the driver's door. We were told that he died instantly of his injuries. I had spent some time with him during the evening before, and he had at the time a very positive mindset brought on by a whole range of issues, one of which was a family get-together due for Sunday afternoon, towards which he had been shopping. And we also discussed a number of forthcoming work-related events which we were preparing jointly. My deepest sympathies go to all among us who knew or interacted with him in any way. Arrangements are being made to set up an online condolence book, so that we may be able to express our sorrow and share our support and memories with his family. I hope to be able to provide you a URL for this before tomorrow. In terms of immediate family, Simbo leaves behind a two children (adolescent and young-adult) who were living with him in Dar, and a wife (their mother) who is due in from Nairobi today. He also has his mother and elder brother who are due in from Kampala. Then he leaves a large extended family with members in Tanzania as well as in Kenya and Uganda. Also grieving for him is a vast network of friends scattered across all four corners of the globe, including this online community. May our Almighty God bless Simbo's soul with eternal peace! 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Re: [kictanet] Facilitators - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum
by James Kagwe 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

Hon. Eng. James Rege -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+jkagwe=kippra.or.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+jkagwe=kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of per-erick(a)i360microsystems.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:27 PM To: James Kagwe Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Facilitators - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum Dear I propose Eng. James Rege > Hi, > > From the list,I Propose Hon Eng.James Rege. > > Regards, > Njuguna. > > wainaina.mungai(a)gmail.com wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >From the list, I would vote for either Florence Etta or Eng. James >> Rege, based on previous work. >> >> Further, I would openly vote against Tabitha Seii. >> >> Regards, >> Wainaina >> >> On 7/16/08, Brian Longwe <blongwe(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> So the current list of proposed facilitators reads as follows: >>> >>> 1) Engineer Kariuki, National Communications Secretariat >>> 2) Florence Etta >>> 3) Ambassador Tabitha Seii >>> 4) Hon. Eng. James Rege, MP >>> 5) David Otwoma, National Science Council (did I get that right?) >>> >>> Have I missed any.... >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> And humble too >>>> >>>> That's why I propose him >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jul 15, 2008, at 1:26 PM, "David Otwoma" <otwomad(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Joe, >>>>> >>>>> You flatter me. >>>>> >>>>> Our Society (http://www.kenyabposociety.or.ke/) has an able Chair and >>>>> she would best articulate us on such a forum as evolving from here. >>>>> In >>>>> addition to the contemporary positions of chair, secretary and >>>>> treasurer as required by the relevant regulations we also have >>>>> evolved >>>>> special Committees (e.g. Standard & Ethics which I chair and have >>>>> seven members, but more important Training, Marketing, Membership, >>>>> Events....among others). >>>>> >>>>> We also are young, just turned one year and hence would learn more >>>>> from our seniors here who have been in the game for longer times. >>>>> However, we pride ourselves as trail blazers in BPO & CC and are >>>>> having teething issues. But we wont develop crooked teeth, with your >>>>> watchfullness, hopefully. >>>>> >>>>> You flatter me. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Can I suggest the The Chief Science Secretary in the Ministry of >>>>>> Science and >>>>>> Technology David Otwoma who has just successfully chaired the >>>>>> Standards >>>>>> Committee of the BPO discussion? >>>>>> >>>>>> Well travelled, well spoken and with great leadership skills >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:17 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would suggest that we have a freestyle discussion - send your >>>>>>>> proposals >>>>>>>> as a title with a short paragraph describing the point - then >>>>>>>> other (or >>>>>>>> yourself) can contribute add/subtract. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brian - This is also called 'moving forward'. Thanks for getting >>>>>>> us here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the first agenda could be the facilitation issue before it >>>>>>> gets >>>>>>> out of hand. Dr. Ndemo has already demonstrated 'top of the >>>>>>> pyramid' >>>>>>> leadership by agreeing to host the forum. By extension, maybe we >>>>>>> could all >>>>>>> be happy if we agreed a body mandated to drive policy e.g. National >>>>>>> Communications Secretariat facilitates the session. I am thinking >>>>>>> Dr. >>>>>>> Kulubi...Eng. Kariuki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [My immediate thoughts]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This message was sent to: jmanthi(a)gmail.com >>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jmanthi%40gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Joseph Manthi >>>>>> CEO >>>>>> MEO Ltd >>>>>> http://www.meoltd.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>> >>>>>> This message was sent to: otwomad(a)gmail.com >>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otwomad%40gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> David Otwoma, >>>>> Chief Science Secretary, >>>>> National Council for Science and Technology, >>>>> Utalii House 9th Floor, >>>>> Mobile tel: +254 722 141771, >>>>> Office tel: +254 (0)20 2346915, >>>>> P. O. Box 29899 - 00100, Nairobi, Kenya >>>>> email: otwomad(a)gmail.com & otwoma(a)ncst.go.ke >>>>> www.ncst.go.ke >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> >>>> This message was sent to: blongwe(a)gmail.com >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Munyao Longwe >>> e-mail: blongwe(a)gmail.com >>> cell: + 254 722 518 744 >>> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com >>> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: per-erick(a)i360microsystems.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/per-erick%40i360mic rosystems.com > _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jkagwe(a)kippra.or.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jkagwe%40kippra.or. ke

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Re: [kictanet] Facilitators - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum
by Inge Vervloesem 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

Hi, I also vote for Eng. James Rege. Cheers, Inge

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Re: [kictanet] Facilitators - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum
by Florence Etta 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

Hi Brian, I would vote for Eng Rege. This would thus bring his tally to 3 and the highest! Cheers, FE ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Longwe <blongwe(a)gmail.com> To: feanywhere(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 10:41:20 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Facilitators - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum 1) Engineer Kariuki - 1 2) Florence Etta - 2 3) Ambassador Tabitha Seii - 1 4) Hon. Eng. James Rege, MP - 2 5) David Otwoma - 1 6) Fred Murunga - 1 __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Sector Stakeholder Public Forum (was Re: Legislation and Discipline & Ethics)
by Florence Etta 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

My dear Brian, May I humbly publicly offer my services to facilitate such a Forum since I am NOT Kenyan I wil not take sides. Besides, I am passionate about developments in this sector and in the continent at large and I love to bring people together to discuss constructiuvely. Trust me. Cheers, Florence Etta Alternative Email:florence.etta@gmail.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net> To: feanywhere(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 14 July, 2008 4:39:57 PM Subject: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Sector Stakeholder Public Forum (was Re: Legislation and Discipline & Ethics) Hi all, We are proposing a Public Forum on Thursday 31st of July to be held at a suitable venue in Nairobi. The objective will be to provide all the different ICT stakeholder organisations within Kenya a chance to introduce themselves and their policies to the public. There will also be opportunity to evaluate Kenya's ICT ecosystem, especially with regards to the different entities, their missions, roles and goals. As well as provide organisations such as KEPSA with an opportunity to share their view/vision on how they expect ICT sector input/engagement. Formal announcement will be posted once details have been worked out, but in the meantime please pencil this into your schedules. We can also explore the possibility of an IP stream for the Diaspora... if there is interest in tracking this. Warm regards, Brian On Jul 14, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Bill Kagai wrote: Daktari, I agree with you to some extent. If I were to chronicle the genesis of the problem, some organisations were/are feeling choked by KIF especially in relation to KEPSA. In my opinion, this means that KIF has managed to do many things better than others to get where they are. However, that should not mean that KIF now becomes the blanket representative of the industry in matters pertaining to KEPSA. Other specialised organisations e.g. Skunkworks, CSK, Kictanet etc should have equal opportunity to adress their sector specific concerns with any stakeholder. [Government/Industry/Public]. E.g. If a foreign software house came to Government seeking advice on how to partner with the local industry, why should KIF seize the opportunity when we know that Skunkworks is more adept in those matters?? [Caveat - organisations mentioned for purpose of elaboration only] The crux of the matter is that these new organisations do not come up because of sector specific concerns they wish addressed...service, bandwidth, policy, payment gateways etc but because officials running established organisations have become 'Mugabes' resisting change and growing old [literally] in those positions. You are best placed to provide leadership here by insisting that you will only engage with organisations that run efficient structures with clear mandates from their electorates and I will follow by paying membership in all organisations that I feel will help air my business concerns in the industry. Actually, I will be comfortable dealing with your ministry through my sector organisation instead of all us queueing at your reception. And I will hold my organisation leader responsible and thus create more time for you to engage with others. Waudo::: You know what am talking about. Be brave...wachia vijana usukani. Bill On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: Bill, In my view, such fracases are an indication of the level of activity in our sector. We however must exercise our freedom of speech with responsibility. If nothing was happening, nobody will feel squeezed. We must show the world that inspite of our differences, we are able to remain focused. I wish we spent more energy on diffusion of technoloy. We have limitless opportunities in this sector that we must encourage more foreign equity participation to ensure a flow of technology transfer. This is what the NICs did. Asante. Ndemo. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

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Agenda Bashing - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum
by Brian Longwe 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

Hi all, So let's start off with a few days of throwing around possible agenda areas. This hould give us a sense of what issues have high priority and how much time we need to set aside to deal with them. I would suggest that we have a freestyle discussion - send your proposals as a title with a short paragraph describing the point - then other (or yourself) can contribute add/subtract. Then after a reasonable period we can coalesce these inputs into a single agenda for the meeting and also decide on what format would best suit the dialogue/debate on thiat particular item. e.g. for the different ICT organisations I think a Panel format, where each group gets 15 minutes to "share" - then the audience gets a chance to "interact" - and a session moderator does a wrap up. another thing that I think would be good is to have an "Open Mic" session where for a period of time any participant can air/vent any view for 3 minutes. any other suggestions? Regards, Brian

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Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
by Alex Gakuru 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

Kevit: I am afraid you have not clarified well enough. I shall not ask you further KEPSA questions although on your previous email you told Waundo "As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other association to full membership of KEPSA." Apparently this now appears to have changed. And I doubt Waundo complained of "exclusion" not of his private self, rather of CSK? I could be wrong but he could clarify. On Jun 23, 2008 it was announced that a "Local Software Industry Association established" with, among others, "3.1 Objective, Market the local software industry to venture capitalists." (see announcement document attached) Was it registered under Societies Act( Read Public interest) or as Private (non-or-for-profit) Company? I found it strange it was formed 3 days to aour very successful and OPEN BarCamp. Is this one also under your umbrella? On the links you sent onlist: www.innovation-africa.net Domain Name: INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET Registrar: TUCOWS INC. Whois Server: whois.tucows.com Referral URL: http://domainhelp.opensrs.net Name Server: ULTRA103.UK2.NET Name Server: ULTRA104.UK2.NET Status: redemptionPeriod Updated Date: 24-jun-2008 Creation Date: 14-may-2007 Expiration Date: 14-may-2008 I tried www.innovation-africa.co.ke >> was re-directing to >> www.kif.or.ke ( but today it now says "under construction") I gather Centurion Systems offices accommodates KIF, is that correct? What I am trying is to understand is who speaks in the background when when "KIF" issues "stakeholders" statements on an issue,how representative or public service-oriented, good governance, in trying to understand new and old associations' motives. With above information, it would clear doubts of public policy participation illegitimacy or inappropriate public procurement involvement(s). For the sake of our growing transparent ICTs abundantly rewarding enterprising citizens. Alex --- On Wed, 7/9/08, kevit desai <kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote: > From: kevit desai <kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> > Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya > To: alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com > Cc: "'kictanet-lists'" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:50 AM > Hi Alex, > > I'm pleased to clarify as much as I can. > > Kepsa has an open membership of PRIVATE sector industry and > market segment > associations in almost all economic sectors. Independence: > KEPSA decisions > are dependent on members wishes, and members are drawn from > the private > sector. In fact, NGO's are not approached for > membership in KEPSA, neither > are government bodies including parastatals. KIF follows > the same approach > for membership and decision-making. No NGO's and > government agencies are > member ofn KIF. However, KEPSA and KIF consult on a REGULAR > BASIS with all > those stakeholders. Having said that, KEPSA and KIF have no > obligation to > offer service to non members. > > Hopefully this helps to clarify. Do get in touch with Sam > Mwaura of KEPSA or > Marcel Werner of KIF. > > > Kevit > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Gakuru [mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com] > Sent: 09 July 2008 04:45 > To: kevit desai > Cc: kictanet-lists > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for > e-Commerce in Kenya > > Kevit, > > > How does KEPSA and KIF governance relate ensuring decisions > independence? > The political issue here may be monopolization to the > extent of clouding out > other actors thereby generating conflict. The Motive Theory > steps in. > > We investigate the effects of competition on subjects' > attitude towards > cooperation. Three groups face three economic environments > with different > degrees of competition, from a benchmark case with no > competition at all up > to a perfect competition case. Subjects contribute > generously to a public > project in the absence of competition, whereas they > contribute very little > in the presence of a maximum degree of competition. A > diminishing attitude > towards cooperation clearly emerges as the degree of > competition increases. > Therefore, if cooperation does enhance well-being, the > maximum degree of > competition may be not efficient. > > <http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba > 6a6f51d7da9d40d806eb> > > react. > > > --- On Tue, 7/8/08, kevit desai > <kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote: > > > From: kevit desai > <kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for > e-Commerce in Kenya > > To: alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com > > Cc: secretariat(a)kif.or.ke, "'KICTAnet ICT > Policy Discussions'" > <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 1:14 PM > > Hi Waudo, > > > > As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other > > association to full > > membership of KEPSA. We look forward to a meaningful > > partnership. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevit Desai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: waudo siganga [mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com] > > Sent: 08 July 2008 13:55 > > To: Kevit Desai > > Cc: secretariat(a)kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy > > Discussions' > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for > > e-Commerce in Kenya > > > > > > > > Hello Kevit - I think one needs to be careful when > handling > > KEPSA and KIF at > > the same time. Do not use your foothold in KEPSA to > promote > > KIF at the > > expense of other associations. The explanation is very > > simple: KEPSA was > > formed as a focal point, a bringing together > characterised > > by INCLUSIVITY. > > KIF on the other hand is an independent association > and the > > nature of such > > an association is EXCLUSIVITY (through membership > > mechanism). I would like > > to see the promotion of more associations on the KEPSA > ICT > > Board, not just > > KIF. Please give us space. > > > > Waudo > > > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:07 +0300, "Kevit > Desai" > > <kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> said: > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > > > KEPSA (info(a)kepsa.or.ke) private sector policy body > with > > its own governance > > structure. Elected as a director in private capacity > and as > > KIF vice > > chairman. > > > > > > > > KIF (secretariat(a)kif.or.ke) membership-based industry > > association, member > > of KEPSA's ICT section. Elected as vice-chairman. > > > > > > > > Centurion Systems Ltd: (www.centurionsystemsltd.com) > > private company, > > director, member of KIF. > > > > > > > > Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems Ltd > > > > Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section > > > > Chairperson - Engineering Students Exhibition > > > > Governor - KEPSA > > > > Director - KEPSA > > > > Director - Innovation Africa > > > > Director- Kenya ICT Board > > > > Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation > > > > BOA - AIESEC > > > > Member - National Strategy for University Education > > > > Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP > Kenya > > > > General Co-Chair - Africon 2009 > > > > > > > > 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse, > > > > Raphta Rd > > > > , Westlands -Nairobi > > > > P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb. > > > > Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020 > > 2049750 > > > > Mobile: +254 722 517067 > > > > > > > > http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com > > > > http://www.ieee.org > > > > http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke > > > > http://www.innovation-africa.net > > > > http://www.kepsa.or.ke > > > > http://www.powerup.co.ke > > > > http://www.aiesec.org > > > > http://www.africon2007.co.za > > > > http://www.kif.or.ke > > > > htpp://www.ict.go.ke > > > > http://www.globalcompact.org > > > > http://www.undp.org/business/gsb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: waudo siganga [mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:40 PM > > To: kevit desai > > Cc: secretariat(a)kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy > > Discussions' > > Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for > > e-Commerce in Kenya > > > > > > > > Hello Kevit - Since you sent this message to KICTANET > I can > > answer it on > > > > the same forum. I think the picture being painted > about a > > rosy situation > > > > including "collaboration" is simply not > true. The > > reason to be frank is > > > > that there a few in your KIF who do not want any other > > association to > > > > have a voice in KEPSA or to interact with Government. > Could > > you as a > > > > KEPSA director ensure that all interested associations > > including the > > > > major ones not in KIF are allowed room to contribute > in > > KEPSA? It can be > > > > sad if you mis-use your position in KEPSA only to > promote > > KIF and crack > > > > down on those you feel are in the way. > > > > Waudo > > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:31 +0300, "kevit > desai" > > > > <kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> said: > > > > > Hi Walu, > > > > > Associations are welcome to be members of KEPSA. > I > > would like to confirm > > > > > that the KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant. We > would > > like to do a lot > > > > > more > > > > > and welcome more support. > > > > > We appreciate Waudo's contributions at our > last > > ministerial stakeholder > > > > > forum. > > > > > Collaboration is the way forward. > > > > > > > > > > Kevit Desai > > > > > KEPSA Director > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: > > > kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > > > > > > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] > > > > > On Behalf Of waudo siganga > > > > > Sent: 07 July 2008 19:02 > > > > > To: kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com > > > > > Cc: secretariat(a)kif.or.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy > > Discussions > > > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and > Regulation for > > e-Commerce in > > > > > Kenya > > > > > > > > > > Hi Walu - I am catching you loud and clear on > GPRS > > somewhere in the > > > > > bush. I did bring out the issue of regulating the > IT > > (or ICT) Profession > > > > > on this list a few months ago. But the rather > > unenthusiastic response I > > > > > got gave me the sense that possibly this was not > the > > correct list since > > > > > many of the subscribers appear just interested in > ICT > > Policy rather than > > > > > being actual IT Experts. Within the next two > weeks > > there will be another > > > > > list for professionals and you will be informed > (you > > have the > > > > > qualifications, don't you??). We are pushing > for a > > registration board > > > > > like thise done last yeaer for nutritionists and > > Procurement > > > > > Practitioners. There is a lot of work going on > > unheralded. All we need > > > > > is a champion or chanpions in the right place. > > > > > Waudo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:45:53 -0700 (PDT), > "John > > Walubengo" > > > > > <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> said: > > > > > > Marcel, > > > > > > > > > > > > It looks like quite some work has been > ongoing in > > this > > > > > > area...unfortunately it seems as if it was > > restricted within KIF only? > > I > > > > > > wonder if Computer Society of Kenya (CSK, > Waudo r > > u there?) or > > > > > > Information Security Audit & Control > > (ISACA-Kenya Chapter) just to > > > > > > mention some of the big IT Associations in > Kenya > > were involved. I beg to > > > > > > be enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings in an old question - who really > > represents the IT Profession > > > > > > in Kenya? Shem has been on record as saying > that > > IT is the only > > > > > > discipline where we seem to lack bodies with > the > > same authority as LSK > > > > > > (Law Society of Kenya), IEK (Institute of > > Engineers of Kenya), Medical > > > > > > Practictioners Board amongst others to > regulate > > the IT Profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > And by the way, KICTAnet does not fit the > bill > > either (and has a > > > > > > different objective anyway). But time has > come > > to really start thinking > > > > > > of regulating the IT profession, even as we > > struggle to regulate the > > > > > > industry...Ideally, CSK should take the lead > on > > this, but they have been > > > > > > awfully quite except when they award prizes > at > > the end of the year > > (Waudo > > > > > > I know u will kill me offline but I just had > to > > say it!). > > > > > > > > > > > > KEPSA? very reputable and effective > particularly > > in the Manufacturing > > > > > > sector but on IT? am not sure they have been > as > > effective - particularly > > > > > > because the link between KEPSA/KIF and the > IT > > industry has been 'cloudy' > > > > > > for lack of a better word...Can for example > CSK > > or ISACA be part of > > > > > > KEPSA without being part of KIF? I again > need to > > be enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > O.K. I agree I did digress, but just > thinking > > loudly and saying that as > > > > > > we think of regulating electronic > transactions, > > we also need to > > > > > > simultaneously start regulating the IT > > profession..but maybe I am wrong. > > > > > > Particularly because regulation can and > often > > leads to suppression... > > > > > > > > > > > > walu. > > > > > > --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Marcel Werner > > <marcelcwerner(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Marcel Werner > > <marcelcwerner(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [kictanet] Legislation and > > Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya > > > > > > > To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com > > > > > > > Cc: secretariat(a)kif.or.ke, > "KICTAnet > > ICT Policy Discussions" > > > > > <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:43 PM > > > > > > > Legislation and Regulation for > e-Commerce in > > Kenya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) - Briefing > Note # > > 3 - Report - > > > > > > > Public Panel 19 > > > > > > > June 2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Electronic commerce (e-commerce) will > add > > at least one > > > > > > > percent point growth > > > > > > > to Kenya's overall economic growth > > within five years. > > > > > > > This is contingent > > > > > > > upon the adoption of legislation that > > supports electronic > > > > > > > transactions. *Kenya, > > > > > > > as an emerging economy and regional > leader, > > lags behind in > > > > > > > having a legal > > > > > > > framework for e-commerce in place. The > > current situation is > > > > > > > an anachronism > > > > > > > hampering national development, placing > > provincial centres > > > > > > > at a > > > > > > > disadvantage, and harming global > > competitiveness. Both > > > > > > > external and internal > > > > > > > trade require the new framework.The > Kenyan > > private sector > > > > > > > strongly supports > > > > > > > e-commerce legislation, as well as > > legislation of the > > > > > > > Information and > > > > > > > Communication Technology sector that > > guarantees an open > > > > > > > market and promotes > > > > > > > innovation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why e-commerce law? Today, legislation > > supporting > > > > > > > electronic transactions > > > > > > > represents the single most powerful > > innovation opportunity > > > > > > > in the legal > > > > > > > framework of the ICT sector. > Legislation is > > needed to: > > > > > > > -Legalize e-commerce transactions by > > recognizing an > > > > > > > electronic signature > > > > > > > -Manage and control e-commerce risks > > > > > > > -Remove e-commerce barriers > > > > > > > KIF has studied drafts currently > circulating > > in the public > > > > > > > domain, the > > > > > > > Information and Communications Bill, > 2008, > > and the > > > > > > > Electronic Transactions > > > > > > > Bill, 2007, respectively, both of which > are > > of the highest > > > > > > > technical > > > > > > > standards. Public panels and hearings > with > > sectors of the > > > > > > > economy (including > > > > > > > tourism, agriculture, ICT) have been > held on > > 6th and 27th > > > > > > > May, 4th June and > > > > > > > 19th June. The Kenyan private sector > has > > expressed > > > > > > > overwhelming support for > > > > > > > urgent legislation of e-commerce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suggested improvements in Bills - The > public > > panels and > > > > > > > hearings to date > > > > > > > have yielded the following important > issues > > for improvement > > > > > > > in the current > > > > > > > Bills: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Provisions on who can > prosecute > > are missing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Liability of Internet > Service > > Providers must be > > > > > > > demarcated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Clarification on which > commercial > > documents are > > > > > > > excluded from > > > > > > > proposed legislation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Eliminate any ambiguity on > > admissibility of > > > > > > > electronic evidence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Need for data protection and > > privacy provisions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - The Bills are more lenient > on > > e-commerce fraud > > > > > > > than on > > > > > > > traditional fraud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Remove inconsistencies in > > determining crimes and > > > > > > > punishments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Provisions for the inclusion > of > > cyber-crime > > > > > > > within the scope of > > > > > > > the Extradition Act > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Creation of an Administrator > for > > e-commerce laws > > > > > > > whose functions > > > > > > > will be policy implementation and > advisory, > > as a > > > > > > > multi-sectoral body with > > > > > > > industry associations including KIF, > lead > > regulator > > > > > > > Communications > > > > > > > Commission of Kenya and co-regulator > Central > > Bank of Kenya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gains in tourism, agriculture, > healthcare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Industry sectors, notably the tourism > > industry, are > > > > > > > expressing their desire > > > > > > > to see e-commerce covered by law. In > > tourism, on-line > > > > > > > travel bookings have > > > > > > > exceeded 80% in the USA and 50% in > Europe. > > Decline in > > > > > > > off-line bookings is > > > > > > > in ample evidence. Those destinations > that > > cannot legally > > > > > > > support abundant > > > > > > > on-line booking, such as Kenya, will > loose > > market share. > > > > > > > E-commerce in > > > > > > > agriculture will improve > small-holder's > > living > > > > > > > standards. Great impact is > > > > > > > expected notably in the coffee sector > that > > provides > > > > > > > livelihood to at least 5 > > > > > > > million Kenyans, as well as in the > dairy > > industry. > > > > > > > Healthcare efficiency and > > > > > > > affordability will improve by on-line > health > > data > > > > > > > management systems. > > > > > > > Business operators in rural towns and > rural > > centres have > > > > > > > also expressed keen > > > > > > > interest, as they see scope to address > > issues of trade > > > > > > > efficiency and > > > > > > > security in rural Kenya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is e-commerce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E-commerce is a method of trading that > > replaces paper-based > > > > > > > documentation by > > > > > > > a mutually binding electronic protocol > > between buyers and > > > > > > > sellers. > > > > > > > E-commerce is gaining ground globally > and > > has become an > > > > > > > irreversible trend. > > > > > > > Many trading partners are already > practicing > > e-commerce, by > > > > > > > mutual > > > > > > > agreement, also in Kenya. However, > > e-commerce will reach > > > > > > > its full potential > > > > > > > when parties that do not know each > other are > > able to trade > > > > > > > with full mutual > > > > > > > protection under the law. This will > benefit > > large numbers > > > > > > > of consumers and > > > > > > > businesses, including small-holder > farmers, > > tourism > > > > > > > operators, small-scale > > > > > > > industry and services providers in > almost > > any business > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About KIF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Kenya Information and Communication > > Technology > > > > > > > Federation (KIF) > > > > > > > represents the ICT industry with > Government > > and with > > > > > > > private sector bodies > > > > > > > e.g. Kenya Association of Manufacturers > and > > Kenya Private > > > > > > > Sector Alliance > > > > > > > KEPSA <http://www.kepsa.org/>. > KIF is > > a legally > > > > > > > registered membership based > > > > > > > Association, made up of trade > associations > > and professional > > > > > > > bodies within > > > > > > > the national ICT industry, as well as > > commercial > > > > > > > corporations. KIF has been > > > > > > > accepted as the private sector voice of > ICT > > by Government. > > > > > > > KIF contributes > > > > > > > ideas to key sectors like healthcare, > > education, > > > > > > > agriculture, construction > > > > > > > industry, and last but not least > supports > > e-government > > > > > > > development. KIF is a > > > > > > > membership-driven organisation. Members > > bring issues on > > > > > > > public policy and > > > > > > > industry development forward for KIF to > take > > action. Issues > > > > > > > include: > > > > > > > innovation promotion, education > improvement, > > duties, taxes > > > > > > > and levies, rural > > > > > > > ICT investment. KIF has a strong and > active > > network, with > > > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > relationships with all government > agencies. > > KIF membership > > > > > > > is open for > > > > > > > market segment associations and > individual > > companies. > > > > > > > Membership charges are > > > > > > > annual and based on company size. > Contact: > > > > > > > secretariat(a)kif.or.ke, 020 > > > > > > > 4440102 > > > > > > > MARCEL WERNER, Chairman, Kenya ICT > > Federation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please send any business mail to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marcel.Werner(a)innovation-africa.or.ke_______________________________________ > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > kictanet mailing list > > > > > > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message was sent to: > jwalu(a)yahoo.com > > > > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > kictanet mailing list > > > > > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > > > > > > > > > This message was sent to: > emailsignet(a)mailcan.com > > > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan.c > > > > > om > > > > > People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom > makes > > people work > > > > > (Confucius). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > kictanet mailing list > > > > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > > > > > > > This message was sent to: > > kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com > > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kevit%40centurionsystem > > > > > sltd.com > > > > > > > > > People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes > people > > work (Confucius). > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, > version > > of virus signature > > database 3248 (20080707) __________ > > > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes > people > > work > > > (Confucius)._______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alex.gakuru%40yahoo.com

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Regional Internet Registries to Appeal for IPv6 Investment at OECD Conference
by Vincent Ngundi 15 Jul '08

15 Jul '08

Regional Internet Registries to Appeal for IPv6 Investment at OECD Conference on "The Future of the Internet Economy" 16 June 200 The longer investment is deferred, the greater the risk of Internet growth slowing down and additional costs being incurred Danger of arrested development: The cost of migrating the Internet infrastructure to IPv6 will be significant, but the cost of not making this investment will end up being far higher. Korea, 17th June, 2008 – The Number Resource Organization (NRO), which is made up of the world's five Regional Internet Registries (RIRs), AfriNIC, APNIC, ARIN, LACNIC and the RIPE NCC, has issued an appeal for investment in Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) infrastructure. The global RIR community will be represented by the NRO at the June OECD Ministerial Meeting in Seoul, Korea, where it will support this urgent call. The RIRs are responsible for managing the allocation, assignment and registration of Internet number resources (IPv4 addresses, IPv6 addresses and Autonomous System (AS) Numbers). With approximately 85% of all available IPv4 Internet addresses already in use by May 2008, experts predict that the remaining stock of unallocated IPv4 addresses will be consumed by around 2011. This may have an impact on new Internet users and users of Internet devices that are not IPv6 enabled. In contrast, the pool of available IPv6 numbers will exceed 340 billion billion billion. Internet addresses are allocated on an 'as-needed' basis. Firstly, they are allocated to the RIRs from a central pool and then each RIR distributes them within their region. This system prevents any one country from running out of addresses significantly before its neighbours within the same region, and ensures that the supply to all regions is maintained for as long as possible. Geoff Huston, Chief Scientist at APNIC will call for a significant acceleration of investment in the infrastructure vital for effective IPv6 adoption, as part of his speech on Internet industry challenges: "At present, only a small percentage of the Internet infrastructure supports IPv6. Significant investment in the infrastructure of the network is required to enable the transition from IPv4 to IPv6. The cost of migrating the Internet infrastructure to IPv6 is significant when considering the global scope of the task, but the cost of not making this investment will end up being far higher. And, ultimately, it's the end user population who will have to bear this cost. The longer this investment in IPv6 deployment is deferred the greater the risk of costly fractures in the fabric of the network, and additional costs being incurred." Axel Pawlik, Managing Director of the RIPE NCC states: "IPv6 is vital to the Internet economy. In order to sustain this rapidly growing, global industry, we urge all stakeholders to help accelerate the widespread deployment of IPv6. We have already seen the EU make a positive declaration of intent regarding IPv6 planning and we are confident that IPv6 space will provide a platform for innovation in IP-based services and applications as long as the infrastructure is in place.' Tarek Mohamed Kamel, Minister for the Ministry of Communications and Information Technology, Egypt, is speaking alongside Geoff Huston at the OECD Ministerial Meeting. Kamel comments: "The current dialogue on IPv6 between global governments, business leaders, technical experts and academics is crucial to ensure that users around the world continue to benefit from the innovation that new infrastructure and new Internet space will bring. Our efforts to ensure the free and open access attributed to the development of the Internet must be continued so that we can fully realise the benefits in the near future." ### Notes to Editors About the Number Resource Organization (NRO) The NRO serves as a coordinating mechanism for the five RIRs to act collectively on matters relating to the interests of RIRs. www.nro.net About the Regional Internet Registries (RIRs)Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) are independent, not-for-profit membership organisations that support the infrastructure of the Internet through technical coordination.There are five RIRs in the world today. Currently, the Internet Assigned Numbers Association (IANA) allocates blocks of IP addresses and ASNs, known collectively as Internet number resources, to the RIRs, who then distribute them to their members within their own specific service regions. RIR members include Internet Service Providers (ISPs), telecommunications organisations, large corporations, governments, academic institutions and industry stakeholders, including end users. The five RIRs are: AfriNIC - Africa region http://www.afrinic.net APNIC - Asia and Pacific region http://www.apnic.net ARIN - Canada, many Caribbean and North Atlantic islands, and the United States http://www.arin.net LACNIC - Latin America and parts of the Caribbean http://www.lacnic.net/en/index.html RIPE NCC - Europe, Parts of Asia and the Middle East http://www.ripe.net Each RIR performs a range of critical functions including: The reliable and stable allocation of Internet number resources (IPv4, IPv6 and AS Number resources) The responsible storage and maintenance of this registration data The provision of an open, publicly accessible database where this data can be accessed RIRs also provide a range of technical and coordination services for the Internet community. 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Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Discipline & Ethics
by Tim Rick 15 Jul '08

15 Jul '08

I would love to know how many of the people here met Kevit and the results.the discussion is just making me realise Kenyans have woken up after the Grand Saga.So Kevit?Any good discussions you had and way forward? 2008/7/13 <kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>: > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and > Regulationfore-Commerce in Kenya (kevit desai) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:37:11 +0300 > From: "kevit desai" <kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and > Regulationfore-Commerce in Kenya > To: <kiriinya2000(a)yahoo.com> > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Message-ID: <E1KHy1I-0008Rn-Cw(a)mail01.safaricom.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Why don't we all meet at the Jacaranda, land mark, Westlands at 5.00pm > today. At the poolside. > > Informal discussion. I will be waiting. > > Kevit Desai > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit <kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit>= > centurionsystemsltd.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] > On Behalf Of wesley kiriinya > Sent: 13 July 2008 10:52 > To: kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and > Regulationfore-Commerce in Kenya > > > > > Gentlemen, > > Before these so called foreigners got these positions that Kenyans would > have occupied, what were Kenyans waiting for? (Honest question.) > > If there is a higher appointing authority that picks these so called > foreigners over Kenyans then it's them to blame (if there is a good > reason). > > That said, as much as free speech is appreciated, so is discretion. Sorry > to > say but it is embarrassing to read some of these posts. > > Regards. > > > --- On Sun, 7/13/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> wrote: > > From: waudo siganga <emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and > Regulation > fore-Commerce in Kenya > To: kiriinya2000(a)yahoo.com > Cc: "'kictanet-lists'" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 9:19 AM > > Hi All - I am the one that asserted that Kenyan (ICT) associations should > be > run by Kenyans and I stand by that. It has absolutely nothing to do with > racism. Every country has policies to protect its people. Even in the USA > you can only stand for president if you were born American. Is that racism? > Associations are at the heart of pushing for policy and it pains me to see > foreigners jostling Kenyans out of the way and being the ones running up > and down the Government corridors carrying "position papers". > > I find it deplorable that Brian is using his position on the list to > threaten to unsubscribe those who do not agree with his views and consign > them to the Nyayo House dungeons. Brian you have been partisan on these > issues throughout. You are issuing "apologies" to people you already sided > with and they are quickly "accepting". At one time you were saying we visit > KIF to see how they run meetings as though suggesting Kenyans do not know > how to run meetings. Is this the Brian I knew or someone using your mail > account? Tafadhali, wacha wananchi wasema hata kama uko pande ile ingine. > > Waudo > > > > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:52:02 +0300, "kevit desai" > <kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> said: > > Dear Brian, > > Apologies accepted. And thank you Mr Chairman. > > > > Wambui it is acceptable to challenge governance structures and also wish to > know more about associations. How else will we seek your support with some > off the very exciting things we are doing. > > > > What deeply concerns me is the notion that associations should be run by > Kenyans. We all have to rise well above this, especially when we see the > success and contributions of some people. Kenya 's grateful to have > people like Mike Eldon, Steve Smith, Michael Joseph, Marcel Werner , and > others, they have contributed so much. Even to the peace process let alone > the advances in ICT's. > > Kictanet must stamp out any form of racist remarks. This is the lowest of > the lowest, and contributes to disengagement. Rules have to be put in > place. > > > > Your leadership is a sigh of relief. And I look forward to you uniting us > all to a common vision of ICT's for National development. > > > > I am waiting.. > > > > Kevit Desai > > > > > _____ > > > From: kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit <kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit>= > centurionsystemsltd.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] > On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe > Sent: 12 July 2008 09:50 > To: kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com > Cc: kictanet-lists > Subject: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and Regulation > fore-Commerce in Kenya > > > > Dear Marcel/Kevit/KIF, > > > > I will personally take this opportunity to apologize on behalf of KICTANET > for the ills which KIF has suffered in the recent dialogue. > > > > As Kevit (and you) have clearly pointed out, KiF has welcomed anyone with > questions to have these answered in person while at the same time providing > as many answers as this media allows. > > > > I know both yourself and Kevit to be men of integrity and seriously > dedicated to the advancement of IcTs in Kenya . I now humbly beg you to > forgive the indiscretions by some of our members in their misuse of this > forum. > > > > As Chairperson of this Network I will not stand by and see this forum > turned > into the kind of low and despicable rant-fests that have characterised > certain other Kenyan lists and blogs. > > > > I hereby request a public apology to KIF on this list, from Alex, by > Tuesday, failing which I will suspend his (and any other member who > persists > in mudslinging) list membership for one month. > > > > I once again humbly appeal to all members of this list to desist from the > kind of myopic, vindictive banter that we have recently witnessed. We must > work *together* for a better Kenya , and this will not come through > tomfoolery and irresponsible words/actions. > > > > Sincerely > > > > Brian Munyao Longwe > > Chairman, KICTANET > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 11 Jul 2008, at 10:44 PM, " Marcel Werner " <marcelcwerner(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hello Kictanet membership, > > The Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) is a reputable organization, duly registered > and maintaining a proper governance system with a registered, paid-up > membership base consisting of equally reputable ICT associations and > companies. > > KIF has done a number of useful things over the period of its existence > (see > Kevit's posting, earlier this week). > > Recent postings on the Kictanet list appear to discredit our own > organization KIF and its members with insinuations and slander. This is > unacceptable. > > The Kictanet web-site shows KIF as a member of Kictanet (nr 8). We do not > wish to be associated with an organization that lends itself to unhelpful > campaigns by individuals, campaigns that can go on with impunity. There is > no need at all to damage our and other's initiatives that are being > implemented in the public interest (see again Kevit's posting) by informal > networks with doubtful legitimacy. Please note that KIF has never signed > any > membership instrument with Kictanet, neither have we been charged nor have > we paid for any membership fees. (page 9 of the Kenya ICT Action Network > Competence Status Survey Assessment Report (posted on > <http://www.kictanet.or.ke/> http://www.kictanet.or.ke/) highlights the > membership problems of Kictanet. Personally I had highlighted this > membership problem already a year ago in the interview that Kictanet held > with us some time mid 2007 in the evaluation study of its role and > performance - I have to conclude today that membership management has never > been addressed at Kictanet). We instruct Kictanet to remove KIF from its > list of its appointed "Members". > > We look forward to be part of a Kictanet that has a legitimate constituency > because there is need for a place of dialogue between civil society and > private sector. Kictanet is not playing such a role today at all and > creates > a space for civil society to alienate itself from the private sector. > Kictanet needs to clean up its house. > > We need serious dialogue, between all sectors in society, and we need to > reach out internationally. We don't have time for any nonsense. > > Best regards, Marcel Werner , chairman of KIF :) > > > > 2008/7/11 kevit desai < <mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> > kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com>: > > Alex, > Kenya ICT Federation is a serious and well established organization, > supported by its members who are also reputable and well established > organizations. > I confirm Centurion systems does not receive any money from KIF. Please > verify the Business advocacy funds contributions and conditions since your > information is false. > > It is not right to publish insinuations affecting KIF and its membership on > a forum like Kictanet. Especially, since I have extended an invitation to > meet so that I can give further explanations. I am waiting to gauge the > interest in this invitation. > > For now I close my participation. > > Kevit Desai > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gakuru , Alex [mailto: <mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> > alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com] > Sent: 11 July 2008 17:24 > > To: kevit desai > Cc: kictanet-lists > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya > > Kevit; > > KIF recently received Kshs 3.5 grant million from a certain business fund. > I am curious centurion system hosts them under their CSR? > > Public forum to explain all dealings openly and transparently?. > > regards, > > On 7/11/08, kevit desai < <mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> > kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sylvester, > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the interest shown. Some of you would like further > > information on the following activities: > > > > > > > > Historical & present- Impact > > > > > > > > - Ministerial stakeholder forum (regular sectoral discussions > > private sector - Government, with KEPSA) > > > > - Power up with ICT nation - wide awareness campaigns (2004, > 2005, > > 2006) > > > > - E-Government - municipal councils > > > > - Open source software community > > > > - E-commerce legislation > > > > - Engineering student exhibition - 1997 - 2008 > > > > - ICT Bills (2006 - 2008) > > > > - Creation of INFOCOM Ministry (2003) > > > > - National ICT Policy formulation (2004 - 2006) > > > > - Tax reforms 2006, 2007, 2008 > > > > - National innovation system > > > > - University Education Reforms Task Force (2006 - current) > > > > - PSDS > > > > - Africon 2009 > > > > - Public panels with Kenya ICT Board > > > > > > > > Associations: > > > > > > > > - KEPSA > > > > - KIF > > > > - IEEE > > > > - Kenya software industry association > > > > > > Please confirm your interest in a meeting. This will allow me to gauge > level > > of participation so as to plan the venue and also mobilize the relevant > > leaders. If you are not on board, it would be great to have you on board. > We > > need your support > > > > > > > > Kevit Desai > > > > > > > > Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems > > > > Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section > > > > Chairman - Engineering students exhibition > > > > Governor - KEPSA > > > > Director - KEPSA > > > > Director - Innovation Africa > > > > Director- Kenya ICT Board > > > > Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation > > > > BOA - AIESEC > > > > Member - National Strategy for University Education > > > > Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP Kenya > > > > General Co-Chair - Africon 2009 > > > > 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse, > > Raphta Rd > > , Westlands - Nairobi > > > > P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb. > > > > Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020 2049750 > > > > Mobile : +254 722 517067 > > > > <http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/> > http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com > <http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/> > > > > <http://www.ieee.org/> http://www.ieee.org <http://www.ieee.org/> > > > > <http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/> > http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke > <http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/> > > > > <http://www.innovation-africa.net/> http://www.innovation-africa.net > <http://www.innovation-africa.net/> > > > > <http://www.kepsa.or.ke/> http://www.kepsa.or.ke > <http://www.kepsa.or.ke/> > > > > <http://www.powerup.co.ke/> http://www.powerup.co.ke > <http://www.powerup.co.ke/> > > > > <http://www.aiesec.org/> http://www.aiesec.org <http://www.aiesec.org/> > > > > <http://www.africon2007.co.za/> http://www.africon2007.co.za > <http://www.africon2007.co.za/> > > > > <http://www.kif.or.ke/> http://www.kif.or.ke <http://www.kif.or.ke/> > > > > <http://www.ict.go.ke/> www.ict.go.ke <http://www.ict.go.ke/> > > > > <http://www.globalcompact.org/> http://www.globalcompact.org > <http://www.globalcompact.org/> > > > > <http://www.undp.org/business/gsb> http://www.undp.org/business/gsb > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: > > kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com > <http://centurionsystemsltd.com/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke > <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/> > > > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit <kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit>= > centurionsystemsltd.com > <http://centurionsystemsltd.com/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke > <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/> ] > > On Behalf Of Brian Longwe > > Sent: 10 July 2008 18:57 > > To: <mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> > kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com > > > > Cc: kictanet-lists > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in > Kenya > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sylvester, > > > > Thank you so very much for highlighting yet another way in which > KICTANET > > is beneficial to the communicat at large. through KICTANET we all learn > so > > many good things that are happening in/around - and can then make our own > > decisions as to whether to follow up/engage. > > > > Regards, > > > > Brian > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Sylvester Kisonzo > > < <mailto:skisonzo@securenet.co.ke> skisonzo(a)securenet.co.ke> wrote: > > > > > > > > And where can I read (or get information) about all these new names to > me? > > KEPSA, KIF, etc? Until recently when I joined this group, I had never > heard > > of them. So I wonder how all the 'stakeholders' have all along been > > involved. > > > > > > > > SK > > > > > > > > > > From: > > kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=gmail.com <http://gmail.com/> > @lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/> > > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+skisonzo <kictanet-bounces%2Bskisonzo>= > gmail.com <http://gmail.com/> > @lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/> ] > > On Behalf Of Joseph Manthi > > Sent: 09 July 2008 20:47 > > To: <mailto:skisonzo@gmail.com> skisonzo(a)gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > Cc: kictanet-lists > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in > Kenya > > > > > > > > > > > > Waudo: > > I would like to pose a simple question: > > > > Why are these associations needed? > > > > Joe > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM, waudo siganga < > <mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com> emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> > > wrote: > > > > Brian - DFID set up KEPSA in 2001 to unite the private sector voice. The > > idea was to bring together EXISTING associations. Someone got early wind > > that ICT was one of the identified sectors and decided to register a NEW > > association ostensibly as an umbrella body. The real umbrella body was > > actually supposed to be KEPSA, under its ICT Board. Period. Why did > > someone find a pressing need to form a NEW association??? > > > > Anyway right now that is history and KEPSA ICT Board is on the right > > track with all associations on board. We have to struggle to make sure > > it stays that way. I do not understand why you seem to be insisting on > > someone visiting KIF. What is the value addition? What can one discover > > there??? Some say there are personal companies underneath and KIF is the > > front but I do not wish to walk in that mud. My interest is KEPSA ICT > > Board not being equated with KIF. > > Waudo > > > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:31:54 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe" > > < <mailto:blongwe@gmail.com> blongwe(a)gmail.com> said: > > > Actually if my memory serves me right. KIF is KEPSAs "child" i.e when > > > KEPSA decided to have sector clusters KIF was established *by* KEpsa > > > to act as the umbrella for ICT private sector. > > > > > > But I stand to be corrected if I'm getting my facts wrong. But if I am > > > right then it *is* important for any critics to understand the inner > > > workings by visiting. > > > > > > I am urging action instead of just talk. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On 09 Jul 2008, at 6:39 PM, "waudo siganga" < > <mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com> emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Brian - I do not think that the issue is an interest in the > > > > internal > > > > operations of KIF. We are talking governance in the context of > KEPSA/ > > > > KIF > > > > relationship, something also of interest to the consumer community. > > > > For > > > > your information last year all stakeholders held a meeting in KEPSA > > > > and > > > > decided to open membership to all interested Private Sector > > > > associations. This was after it was observed that the hitherto > > > > stranglehold on KEPSA by KIF meant that the sector was not > adequately > > > > represented. Some people may have felt unhappy or even insecure with > > > > this development. The problem is that my friend Kevit, being the > KEPSA > > > > ICT director uses his position to constantly market KIF as if it is > a > > > > favoured player in KEPSA (e.g. "I would like to confirm that the > > > > KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant." - as if implying the other > > > > associations are dead) He is often busy promoting "KIF Positions" > > > > instead of "KEPSA Positions" including using KIF letterheads at the > > > > MSFs. I have misgivings about the current ICT leadership in KEPSA > > > > but I > > > > am hopeful things will change. > > > > > > > > Waudo > > > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:54:41 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe" > > > > < <mailto:blongwe@gmail.com> blongwe(a)gmail.com> said: > > > >> Hi Alex, > > > >> > > > >> I would find it hard to imagine how much more Kevit can explain to > > > >> you > > > >> about KIF. > > > >> > > > >> I would like to suggest that Kevit extend an invitation to you (and > > > >> anyone else who might be interested/concerned) to attend the next > KIF > > > >> meeting as an observer and see/feel the animal yourself. > > > >> > > > >> Brian > > > >> > > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > > >> > > > >> On 09 Jul 2008, at 3:45 PM, Alex Gakuru < > <mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Kevit: > > > >>> > > > >>> I am afraid you have not clarified well enough. I shall not ask > you > > > >>> further KEPSA questions although on your previous email you told > > > >>> Waundo "As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other > > > >>> association to full membership of KEPSA." Apparently this now > > > >>> appears to have changed. And I doubt Waundo complained of > > > >>> "exclusion" not of his private self, rather of CSK? I could be > wrong > > > >>> but he could clarify. > > > >>> > > > >>> On Jun 23, 2008 it was announced that a "Local Software Industry > > > >>> Association established" with, among others, "3.1 Objective, > Market > > > >>> the local software industry to venture capitalists." (see > > > >>> announcement document attached) Was it registered under Societies > > > >>> Act > > > >>> ( Read Public interest) or as Private (non-or-for-profit) Company? > I > > > >>> found it strange it was formed 3 days to aour very successful and > > > >>> OPEN BarCamp. Is this one also under your umbrella? > > > >>> > > > >>> On the links you sent onlist: > > > >>> > > > >>> <http://www.innovation-africa.net/> www.innovation-africa.net > <http://www.innovation-africa.net/> > > > >>> > > > >>> Domain Name: INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET <http://innovation-africa.net/ > > > > > >>> Registrar: TUCOWS INC. > > > >>> Whois Server: whois.tucows.com <http://whois.tucows.com/> > > > >>> Referral URL: <http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/> > http://domainhelp.opensrs.net <http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/> > > > >>> Name Server: ULTRA103.UK2.NET <http://ultra103.uk2.net/> > > > >>> Name Server: ULTRA104.UK2.NET <http://ultra104.uk2.net/> > > > >>> Status: redemptionPeriod > > > >>> Updated Date: 24-jun-2008 > > > >>> Creation Date: 14-may-2007 > > > >>> Expiration Date: 14-may-2008 > > > >>> > > > >>> I tried <http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/> > www.innovation-africa.co.ke <http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/> >> was > re-directing to >> > > <http://www.kif.or.ke/> www.kif.or.ke <http://www.kif.or.ke/> > > > >>> ( but today it now says "under construction") I gather Centurion > > > >>> Systems offices accommodates KIF, is that correct? > > > >>> > > > >>> What I am trying is to understand is who speaks in the background > > > >>> when when "KIF" issues "stakeholders" statements on an issue,how > > > >>> representative or public service-oriented, good governance, in > > > >>> trying to understand new and old associations' motives. > > > >>> > > > >>> With above information, it would clear doubts of public policy > > > >>> participation illegitimacy or inappropriate public procurement > > > >>> involvement(s). For the sake of our growing transparent ICTs > > > >>> abundantly rewarding enterprising citizens. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Alex > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> --- On Wed, 7/9/08, kevit desai > > < <mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> From: kevit desai < <mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> > kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> > > > >>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce > > > >>>> in Kenya > > > >>>> To: <mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com > > > >>>> Cc: "'kictanet-lists'" > > < <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:50 AM > > > >>>> Hi Alex, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I'm pleased to clarify as much as I can. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Kepsa has an open membership of PRIVATE sector industry and > > > >>>> market segment > > > >>>> associations in almost all economic sectors. Independence : > > > >>>> KEPSA decisions > > > >>>> are dependent on members wishes, and members are drawn from > > > >>>> the private > > > >>>> sector. In fact, NGO's are not approached for > > > >>>> membership in KEPSA, neither > > > >>>> are government bodies including parastatals. KIF follows > > > >>>> the same approach > > > >>>> for membership and decision-making. No NGO's and > > > >>>> government agencies are > > > >>>> member ofn KIF. However, KEPSA and KIF consult on a REGULAR > > > >>>> BASIS with all > > > >>>> those stakeholders. Having said that, KEPSA and KIF have no > > > >>>> obligation to > > > >>>> offer service to non members. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Hopefully this helps to clarify. Do get in touch with Sam > > > >>>> Mwaura of KEPSA or > > > >>>> Marcel Werner of KIF. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Kevit > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>> From: Alex Gakuru [mailto: <mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> > alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com] > > > >>>> Sent: 09 July 2008 04:45 > > > >>>> To: kevit desai > > > >>>> Cc: kictanet-lists > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for > > > >>>> e-Commerce in Kenya > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Kevit, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> How does KEPSA and KIF governance relate ensuring decisions > > > >>>> independence? > > > >>>> The political issue here may be monopolization to the > > > >>>> extent of clouding out > > > >>>> other actors thereby generating conflict. The Motive Theory > > > >>>> steps in. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> We investigate the effects of competition on subjects' > > > >>>> attitude towards > > > >>>> cooperation. Three groups face three economic environments > > > >>>> with different > > > >>>> degrees of competition, from a benchmark case with no > > > >>>> competition at all up > > > >>>> to a perfect competition case. Subjects contribute > > > >>>> generously to a public > > > >>>> project in the absence of competition, whereas they > > > >>>> contribute very little > > > >>>> in the presence of a maximum degree of competition. A > > > >>>> diminishing attitude > > > >>>> towards cooperation clearly emerges as the degree of > > > >>>> competition increases. > > > >>>> Therefore, if cooperation does enhance well-being, the > > > >>>> maximum degree of > > > >>>> competition may be not efficient. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > < > < > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba > > > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba > > > >>>> 6a6f51d7da9d40d806eb> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> react. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> --- On Tue, 7/8/08, kevit desai > > > >>>> < <mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> > kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> From: kevit desai > > > >>>> < <mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> > kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for > > > >>>> e-Commerce in Kenya > > > >>>>> To: <mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com > > > >>>>> Cc: <mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke> secretariat(a)kif.or.ke, > "'KICTAnet ICT > > > >>>> Policy Discussions'" > > > >>>> < <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > >>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 1:14 PM > > > >>>>> Hi Waudo, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other > > > >>>>> association to full > > > >>>>> membership of KEPSA. We look forward to a meaningful > > > >>>>> partnership. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Kevit Desai > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> _____ > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> From: waudo siganga > > [mailto: <mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com> emailsignet(a)mailcan.com] > > > >>>>> Sent: 08 July 2008 13:55 > > > >>>>> To: Kevit Desai > > > >>>>> Cc: <mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke> secretariat(a)kif.or.ke; > 'KICTAnet ICT Policy > > > >>>>> Discussions' > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for > > > >>>>> e-Commerce in Kenya > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Hello Kevit - I think one needs to be careful when > > > >>>> handling > > > >>>>> KEPSA and KIF at > > > >>>>> the same time. Do not use your foothold in KEPSA to > > > >>>> promote > > > >>>>> KIF at the > > > >>>>> expense of other associations. The explanation is very > > > >>>>> simple: KEPSA was > > > >>>>> formed as a focal point, a bringing together > > > >>>> characterised > > > >>>>> by INCLUSIVITY. > > > >>>>> KIF on the other hand is an independent association > > > >>>> and the > > > >>>>> nature of such > > > >>>>> an association is EXCLUSIVITY (through membership > > > >>>>> mechanism). I would like > > > >>>>> to see the promotion of more associations on the KEPSA > > > >>>> ICT > > > >>>>> Board, not just > > > >>>>> KIF. Please give us space. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Waudo > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:07 +0300, "Kevit > > > >>>> Desai" > > > >>>>> < <mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> > kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> said: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Hi Alex, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> KEPSA ( <mailto:info@kepsa.or.ke> info(a)kepsa.or.ke) private > sector policy body > > > >>>> with > > > >>>>> its own governance > > > >>>>> structure. Elected as a director in private capacity > > > >>>> and as > > > >>>>> KIF vice > > > >>>>> chairman. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> KIF ( <mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke> secretariat(a)kif.or.ke) > membership-based industry > > > >>>>> association, member > > > >>>>> of KEPSA's ICT section. Elected as vice-chairman. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Centurion Systems Ltd: ( <http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/> > www.centurionsystemsltd.com <http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/> ) > > > >>>>> private company, > > > >>>>> director, member of KIF. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems Ltd > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Chairperson - Engineering Students Exhibition > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Governor - KEPSA > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Director - KEPSA > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Director - Innovation Africa > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Director- Kenya ICT Board > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> BOA - AIESEC > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Member - National Strategy for University Education > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP > > > >>>> Kenya > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Raphta Rd > > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> , Westlands - Nairobi > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020 > > > >>>>> 2049750 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Mobile : +254 722 517067 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> <http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/> > http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com <http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> <http://www.ieee.org/> http://www.ieee.org > <http://www.ieee.org/> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> <http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/> > http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke > <http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> <http://www.innovation-africa.net/> > http://www.innovation-africa.net <http://www.innovation-africa.net/> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> <http://www.kepsa.or.ke/> http://www.kepsa.or.ke > <http://www.kepsa.or.ke/> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> <http://www.powerup.co.ke/> http://www.powerup.co.ke > <http://www.powerup.co.ke/> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> <http://www.aiesec.org/> http://www.aiesec.org > <http://www.aiesec.org/> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> <http://www.africon2007.co.za/> http://www.africon2007.co.za > <http://www.africon2007.co.za/> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> <http://www.kif.or.ke/> http://www.kif.or.ke > <http://www.kif.or.ke/> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> htpp:// <http://www.ict.go.ke/> www.ict.go.ke > <http://www.ict.go.ke/> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> <http://www.globalcompact.org/> http://www.globalcompact.org > <http://www.globalcompact.org/> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> <http://www.undp.org/business/gsb> > http://www.undp.org/business/gsb > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>>> From: waudo siganga > > [mailto: <mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com> emailsignet(a)mailcan.com] > > > >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:40 PM > > > >>>>> To: kevit desai > > > >>>>> Cc: <mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke> secretariat(a)kif.or.ke; > 'KICTAnet ICT Policy > > > >>>>> Discussions' > > > >>>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for > > > >>>>> e-Commerce in Kenya > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Hello Kevit - Since you sent this message to KICTANET > > > >>>> I can > > > >>>>> answer it on > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> the same forum. I think the picture being painted > > > >>>> about a > > > >>>>> rosy situation > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> including "collaboration" is simply not > > > >>>> true. The > > > >>>>> reason to be frank is > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> that there a few in your KIF who do not want any other > > > >>>>> association to > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> have a voice in KEPSA or to interact with Government. > > > >>>> Could > > > >>>>> you as a > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> KEPSA director ensure that all interested associations > > > >>>>> including the > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> major ones not in KIF are allowed room to contribute > > > >>>> in > > > >>>>> KEPSA? It can be > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> sad if you mis-use your position in KEPSA only to > > > >>>> promote > > > >>>>> KIF and crack > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> down on those you feel are in the way. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Waudo > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:31 +0300, "kevit > > > >>>> desai" > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> < <mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> > kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> said: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Hi Walu, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Associations are welcome to be members of KEPSA. > > > >>>> I > > > >>>>> would like to confirm > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> that the KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant. We > > > >>>> would > > > >>>>> like to do a lot > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> more > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> and welcome more support. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> We appreciate Waudo's contributions at our > > > >>>> last > > > >>>>> ministerial stakeholder > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> forum. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Collaboration is the way forward. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Kevit Desai > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> KEPSA Director > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> From: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com > <http://centurionsystemsltd.com/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke > <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit <kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit>= > centurionsystemsltd.com > <http://centurionsystemsltd.com/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke > <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/> > > > >>>> ] > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Behalf Of waudo siganga > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Sent: 07 July 2008 19:02 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> To: <mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> > kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Cc: <mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke> secretariat(a)kif.or.ke; > KICTAnet ICT Policy > > > >>>>> Discussions > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and > > > >>>> Regulation for > > > >>>>> e-Commerce in > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Kenya > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Hi Walu - I am catching you loud and clear on > > > >>>> GPRS > > > >>>>> somewhere in the > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> bush. I did bring out the issue of regulating the > > > >>>> IT > > > >>>>> (or ICT) Profession > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> on this list a few months ago. But the rather > > > >>>>> unenthusiastic response I > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> got gave me the sense that possibly this was not > > > >>>> the > > > >>>>> correct list since > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> many of the subscribers appear just interested in > > > >>>> ICT > > > >>>>> Policy rather than > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> being actual IT Experts. Within the next two > > > >>>> weeks > > > >>>>> there will be another > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> list for professionals and you will be informed > > > >>>> (you > > > >>>>> have the > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> qualifications, don't you??). We are pushing > > > >>>> for a > > > >>>>> registration board > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> like thise done last yeaer for nutritionists and > > > >>>>> Procurement > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Practitioners. There is a lot of work going on > > > >>>>> unheralded. All we need > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> is a champion or chanpions in the right place. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Waudo > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:45:53 -0700 (PDT), > > > >>>> "John > > > >>>>> Walubengo" > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> < <mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com> jwalu(a)yahoo.com> said: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Marcel, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> It looks like quite some work has been > > > >>>> ongoing in > > > >>>>> this > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> area...unfortunately it seems as if it was > > > >>>>> restricted within KIF only? > > > >>>>> I > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> wonder if Computer Society of Kenya (CSK, > > > >>>> Waudo r > > > >>>>> u there?) or > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Information Security Audit & Control > > > >>>>> (ISACA-Kenya Chapter) just to > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> mention some of the big IT Associations in > > > >>>> Kenya > > > >>>>> were involved. I beg to > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> be enlightened. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> This brings in an old question - who really > > > >>>>> represents the IT Profession > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> in Kenya ? Shem has been on record as saying > > > >>>> that > > > >>>>> IT is the only > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> discipline where we seem to lack bodies with > > > >>>> the > > > >>>>> same authority as LSK > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> (Law Society of Kenya ), IEK (Institute of > > > >>>>> Engineers of Kenya ), Medical > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Practictioners Board amongst others to > > > >>>> regulate > > > >>>>> the IT Profession. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> And by the way, KICTAnet does not fit the > > > >>>> bill > > > >>>>> either (and has a > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> different objective anyway). But time has > > > >>>> come > > > >>>>> to really start thinking > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> of regulating the IT profession, even as we > > > >>>>> struggle to regulate the > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> industry...Ideally, CSK should take the lead > > > >>>> on > > > >>>>> this, but they have been > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> awfully quite except when they award prizes > > > >>>> at > > > >>>>> the end of the year > > > >>>>> (Waudo > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I know u will kill me offline but I just had > > > >>>> to > > > >>>>> say it!). > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> KEPSA? very reputable and effective > > > >>>> particularly > > > >>>>> in the Manufacturing > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> sector but on IT? am not sure they have been > > > >>>> as > > > >>>>> effective - particularly > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> because the link between KEPSA/KIF and the > > > >>>> IT > > > >>>>> industry has been 'cloudy' > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> for lack of a better word...Can for example > > > >>>> CSK > > > >>>>> or ISACA be part of > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> KEPSA without being part of KIF? I again > > > >>>> need to > > > >>>>> be enlightened. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> O.K. I agree I did digress, but just > > > >>>> thinking > > > >>>>> loudly and saying that as > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> we think of regulating electronic > > > >>>> transactions, > > > >>>>> we also need to > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> simultaneously start regulating the IT > > > >>>>> profession..but maybe I am wrong. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Particularly because regulation can and > > > >>>> often > > > >>>>> leads to suppression... > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> walu. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Marcel Werner > > > >>>>> < <mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com> marcelcwerner(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> From: Marcel Werner > > > >>>>> < <mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com> marcelcwerner(a)gmail.com> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Legislation and > > > >>>>> Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> To: <mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com> jwalu(a)yahoo.com > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Cc: <mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke> secretariat(a)kif.or.ke, > > > >>>> "KICTAnet > > > >>>>> ICT Policy Discussions" > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> < <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:43 PM > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Legislation and Regulation for > > > >>>> e-Commerce in > > > >>>>> Kenya > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) - Briefing > > > >>>> Note # > > > >>>>> 3 - Report - > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Public Panel 19 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> June 2008 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> *Electronic commerce (e-commerce) will > > > >>>> add > > > >>>>> at least one > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> percent point growth > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> to Kenya 's overall economic growth > > > >>>>> within five years. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> This is contingent > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> upon the adoption of legislation that > > > >>>>> supports electronic > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> transactions. * Kenya , > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> as an emerging economy and regional > > > >>>> leader, > > > >>>>> lags behind in > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> having a legal > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> framework for e-commerce in place. The > > > >>>>> current situation is > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> an anachronism > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> hampering national development, placing > > > >>>>> provincial centres > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> at a > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> disadvantage, and harming global > > > >>>>> competitiveness. Both > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> external and internal > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> trade require the new framework.The > > > >>>> Kenyan > > > >>>>> private sector > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> strongly supports > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> e-commerce legislation, as well as > > > >>>>> legislation of the > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Information and > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Communication Technology sector that > > > >>>>> guarantees an open > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> market and promotes > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> innovation. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Why e-commerce law? Today, legislation > > > >>>>> supporting > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> electronic transactions > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> represents the single most powerful > > > >>>>> innovation opportunity > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> in the legal > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> framework of the ICT sector. > > > >>>> Legislation is > > > >>>>> needed to: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> -Legalize e-commerce transactions by > > > >>>>> recognizing an > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> electronic signature > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> -Manage and control e-commerce r > > > >>> < KENYA SOFTWARE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION.doc> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> kictanet mailing list > > > >>> <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > >>> > > <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > >>> > > > >>> This message was sent to: <mailto:blongwe@gmail.com> > blongwe(a)gmail.com > > > >>> 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