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Executive Summary of comments KICTANet Freedom of Information Discussions
by alice＠apc.org 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

Dear all Below is an executive summary of the discusions on the freedom of information policy that took lace last week. Prepared and submitted by J. Kihanya. best regards alice ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The Freedom of Information Policy as drafted and put out for discussion bythe Ministry of Information and Communications was greeted with approval andlauded as a great step towards achieving one of the most fundamental rightsthat underpins all other rights in Kenya.The discussion was not very high but a consensus emerged from the variouspresenters that the following should guide the policy direction. a.. The right to information is the bedrock of all other human rights. The United Nations recognized this in 1946 when the General Assembly resolved:"Freedom of Information is a fundamental human right and the touchstone forall freedom. In its most basic form, a right to information ensures thepeople of a democracy: they have the right to demand and receive informationfrom their government and place an additional obligation on the governmentto pro-actively disclose key information to the public. It also allowscitizens to secure information from private bodies where it is necessary forthe protection or exercise of their rights. It is an excellent tool in thefight against corruption and provides a mechanism for deepening the public'sengagement in development activities and to meaningfully engage andparticipate in democracy. a.. The right must be considered within a broader human rights framework. a.. The right to know should be indicated as a right that is enforceableby the public. It should be a freedom that should not be derogated from bygovernment which must allow for its full enjoyment. a.. That the legislation that emanates from the debate should seek toprotect the free flow of information through e-government and the creationof accountability. a.. That the costs that may be charged on accessing information frompublic bodies should be minimal if at all. a.. That journalists and hence the media should be exempted from payingthe costs that relate to access to information. a.. That the timelines provided under the policy for the access toinformation viz. 15 days are too long and should be reduced. a.. That the practice and culture of secrecy under the Official SecretsAct should be changed if the policy is to allow for the effective use oflegislation. a.. Those private bodies should be required to protect personal data. a.. That the public and private bodies should be required t=o seek onlysuch personal information that is relevant under the circumstances and thatthat which is unnecessary or may cause discrimination should not be requiredof a citizen. a.. That all public bodies should be subjected to the FOI legislationirrespective of the fact that they are run in partnerships with developmentpartners, or not. a.. That when national security is used as a limitation on FOIlegislation, it must be precisely that and not imagined embarrassment to thegovernment. a.. That pro-active publication must take root and e-government used formost or all public pronouncements within a strict timeframe. a.. That the right should extend to all citizens and should not be viewedas a tool only for the media. a.. That all organizations that have the capacity or are directly involvedwith contact with the public and that affect the rights of the public shouldbe designated as organizations that the FOI legislation can affect. a.. A Data protection policy for social cultural and economic reasons mustbe put in place to cater for development concerns.The discussion underscored that the right to know is one that has beendeemed important and has been given to citizens in over 80 jurisdictionsaround the world and that Kenya should join South Africa and Uganda on thisfront in Africa if only to keep pace with especially Sough Africa ondevelopment paths.

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Re: [kictanet] E-Centre in Eastlands-Kimathi Estate
by Jose' 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

True that Ritah, we partnering with local organized youth groups in Easlands to train them and give them a chance to learn how to run such a centre. Jericho Estate popularly know to as "JERII" watch out for an e-learning centre soon. Hope Ya'all shall find time to come. Best Regards, Jose' Njuki-Imwe Ngunjiri || +254 722 336754 || ----- Original Message ---- From: munyiva ritah <rmunyiva(a)yahoo.com> To: ngunjirijnr(a)yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:20:01 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] E-Centre in Eastlands-Kimathi Estate Cool idea on the E-centre, maybe we could get more of this in Eastlands. Ritah --- Judy Okite <judyokite(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This is soo cool...Jose, > > I need to link up with you of the list...please.... > > Kind Regards, > > On 2/21/07, Jose' <ngunjirijnr(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Checkout, > > > > www.kimathiinformationcentre.com > > > > some of the pages are still under construction > like the forum,chat and > > guest book pages.Oh! also the donation page :-) > > > > We reach out to the Easltands community with free > ICT lessons > > also we are a one stop E-centre. > > > > We are in the process of organizing a youth > symposium that will focus on > > preparing youth in creating business > proposals,business plans and how to > > apply for loans and in particular the Youth loan. > > > > All keep y'all posted > > > > Best Regards, > > Jose' Njuki-Imwe Ngunjiri || +254 722 336754 || > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: John Walubengo <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> > > To: ngunjirijnr(a)yahoo.com > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:45:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working? > > > > well, am not a subscriber to them - i got jittery > when > > their registration form had too many of what I > thought were > > personal questions without equivalent > demonstration of how > > they would secure my data... > > > > Nway, I just checked their website and it is up > and > > running...so what do you mean when you say they > are no > > longer working? > > > > walu. > > > > --- Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Wouldn't you be curious to find out a very > popular free > > > internet-based www.sasanet.co.ke is now no > longer > > > working? I wonder why? > > > > > > /Alex > > > > > > Mike Theuri <mike.theuri(a)gmail.com> wrote: Alex, > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the blog on the > anti-consumer > > > setting in the country. The blog has very useful > > > information that is not being shared with Kenyan > > > consumers and it is key that consumer rights are > upheld. > > > Your blog out to be brought to more attention of > key > > > stakeholders in ICT and to consumers alike. > > > > > > Yes, the Ministry and CCK are best placed to > > > authoritatively comment on such an issue. > However I > > > believe that what AT&T is discontinuing is the > ability to > > > use a "call back" number from Kenya to the US. > It is very > > > likely that the call back numbers which are 0800 > numbers > > > are no longer profitable for AT&T especially > given that > > > they cost as high as $3/min. Technically they > are > > > supposed to be cheaper to use than if one was to > "call > > > back" the US direct from any other country be it > Kenya or > > > the UK. However with AT&T's rate to call the US > from > > > Kenya as high as it is and with local providers > beating > > > their tariffs they may have opted to drop this > service. > > > What this might do, is it might leave AT&T US > based > > > customers unable to call the US using their AT&T > calling > > > cards for what would otherwise be exorbitant > prices. > > > > > > The wording of the AT&T notice on the lack of no > future > > > support for calls originating from Kenya wasn't > very > > > clear and after some digging around it appears > that it > > > referred to users of AT&T who utilize call back > services > > > while traveling overseas, it might just be due > to stiff > > > competition now that VOIP has been deregulated > and > > > tariffs have fallen (though not low enough) and > that no > > > one in their right mind would be willing to pay > $3+ per > > > minute for a call to the US when for a extremely > small > > > fraction one could make the same phone call at a > lower > > > rate. > > > > > > Even then the tariffs in general are not fair > enough for > > > Kenyan consumers and it is an uphill battle to > enforce > > > changes when some of the largest tax payers > happen to be > > > communication providers. It is unthinkable that > the > > > government would do much to jeopardize a large > and steady > > > tax revenue stream to save the honorable > consumer. > > > Increasingly huge profits in a formerly > depressed and now > > > recovering economy like ours raise the question > whether > > > the consumer is getting a fair deal. It is akin > to oil > > > companies making several times over some nations > GDP in > > > profits and claiming that they are struggling > themselves > > > and offering the best prices possible. Price > regulation > > > in the industry is something that should be > looked into > > > to further to try and strike a fair balance > between > > > consumers needs and investors return on equity. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > On 2/18/07, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > Mike: > > > > > > Although this is a consumer issue, you may > notice we have > > > quite some domestic wars with the prevailing > > > anti-consumer setting, > http://ictconsumer.blogspot.com/ > > > for example. > > > > > > By engaging foreign networks, I am afraid the > ICT > > > Consumers Association of Kenya could be > considered acting > > > ultra vires thus the Ministry of Information and > > > Communications, CCK, and perhaps also Foreign > Affairs are > > > best suited to comment. > > > > > > Would a provocative question, like "why has a > private US > > > telco unilaterally cut-off communication from > Kenya to > > > the US jeopardizing both a basic human right and > the > > > national outsourcing strategy" earn a quick > response from > > > government? > > > > > > rgds, > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > Mike Theuri <mike.theuri(a)gmail.com> wrote: As > an after > > > thought, this may mean calls dialed through > this number > > > which by itself is a very expensive option and > which may > > > reflect the effects of voip and lowered costs of > > > international calls: > === message truncated ===> _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/rmunyiva%40yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? 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eLearning Africa 2007 Launches the TVET Summit
by Rebecca Wanjiku 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

Informationen zum Abbestellen des Newsletters finden Sie ganz unten. Press release, February 21, 2007 ************************************************** Berlin, Germany / Nairobi, Kenya - The first African Technical Vocational Education and Training (TVET) Summit "Access and Inclusion for TVET in Africa through new ICT-based solutions" will take place in conjunction with this year's eLearning Africa, the annual pan-African conference on ICT for Development, Education and Training. The Summit will be held on 28 May 2007 in Nairobi. The African TVET Summit will bring together TVET experts, policy makers and practitioners to share experiences, discuss strategies, and implement mechanisms for the promotion and sustainability of best practice. Innovative ICT-based TVET initiatives will be identified by a panel of experts in the field and their developers will have the opportunity to present their work at the Summit. The panel will designate one TVET project as the "African Educational ICT Landmark Project" and it will receive support until the next Summit in 2008, when another landmark initiative will be selected. Discussions and plenaries will investigate how eLearning can be used effectively in technical vocational education and training, how ICT-based training can help bridge the gap between theory and practice, and which best-practice cases from other backgrounds can serve as role models. The event will provide insight into the current status of eLearning in TVET and enable participants to exchange experience. The African TVET Summit is supported by the Kenyan Ministry for Education, the UNESCO International Centre for Technical and Vocational Education and Training (UNESCO-UNEVOC), the UNESCO Regional Office for Education in Africa (UNESCO/BREDA), the Commonwealth of Learning, the German Federal Institute for Vocational Education and Training and the organisers of the eLearning Africa conference, ICWE and Hoffmann & Reif Consultants. Regularly updated information on the Summit and the eLearning Africa conference programme can be found at www.eLearning-Africa.com. eLearning Africa 2007 takes place from May 28 to 30, 2007, under the patronage of the Hon. Prof. George Saitoti, Minister for Education, Kenya. It is the largest pan-African conference with a focus on ICT for development, education and training on the Continent. It is organised by ICWE GmbH and Hoffmann & Reif Consultants to establish and link a network and community of decision makers from governments and administrations with universities, schools, governmental and private training providers, industry, and important partners in development cooperation. Each year a different African country will serve as the venue. ***************************************** Notes for editors eLA - eLearning Africa, 2nd International Conference on ICT for Development, Education and Training, May 28 - 30, 2007 Organisers: ICWE GmbH, www.icwe.net, Hoffmann & Reif Consultants, www.hoffmann-reif.com Contact: ICWE GmbH, Tel.: +49-30-327 6140 info(a)elearning-africa.com, www.eLearning-Africa.com Press contact: Beate Kleessen ICWE GmbH Leibnizstraße 32 10625 Berlin, Germany Tel.: +49-30-327 61420 Fax: +49-30-324 9833 press-service(a)icwe.net www.icwe.net Klicken Sie auf die folgende URL, um sich von diesem Newsletter abzumelden oder Ihre Einstellungen zu ändern: http://nl.webmart.de/abo.cfm?K=3122361&E=239643605 _______________________________________________ secretariat mailing list secretariat(a)kictanet.or.ke http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/secretariat This message was sent to: rebeccawanjiku(a)yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/secretariat/rebeccawanjiku%40yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html

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Questions whether open source software can covert the software world?
by alice＠apc.org 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

>From Panos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For many people in developing countries, commercial software packages are not an option because they are expensive, do not come in local languages and cannot be shared or adapted. Advocates of the Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) movement argue that the tools of information and communication should be in the public domain. But commercial software companies say they spend huge sums of money on research and development, and need to recoup their investments. This latest media briefing on the information society explores how these opposing views can be reconciled in the interests of millions of potential software users in the developing world. Visit: http://www.panos.org.uk/PDF/reports/wsistoolkit5.pdf

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Fw: [DigAfrica] African VoIP Markets: Answers to pressing question
by alice＠apc.org 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

>From Balancing Act: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ African telcos are having to react either to price pressure from the grey market or newly legal VoIP service providers. The impact of VoIP on international prices is only the beginning: in newly legal VoIP markets, the arbitrage opportunity is moving to the national level. Many operators are seeking to remain competitive by simply offering cheaper prices to their customers, either through a specific VoIP service offering or to all customers. But in any price war with the grey market there is only way one for prices to go: downwards. But VoIP is the precursor of much larger changes for operators and they need to create new strategies to remain in the game in more competitive markets: Price cutting cannibalises existing income but also increases volumes: in other words, increased volumes may cover income losses from higher rates. Do you know what has happened to the traffic volumes of those carriers who have lowered prices? A small number of African countries have more or less legalised VoIP for a new generation of VoIP service providers. Further countries are in the queue to do the same and some countries have an anomalous use of VoIP for certain carriers. Do you know which these countries are and how it will affect your business? There has been much talk of NGN networks but for nearly all carriers this is a much more complicated process of transition. Do you know where you are in that transition process and where your competitors have got to? A number of African carriers have convinced themselves that "triple play" is one strategy to combat leakage of customers to the new VoIP service providers. You might think that these carriers have got a clearly defined strategy. But do you know what the rates and market potential is for a service like this that includes VoIP? African VoIP Markets is a 170 page report with 28 tables that looks at all aspects of VoIP in the region. Can you answer the questions facing your business? go to: http://www.balancingact-africa.com/voipmarks.html

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Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working?
by Jose' 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

Hi Walu, What Alex is expressing is the free sms service that sasanet gives.Everything else is up and running except the free sms service thats why we use it. I copied and pasted this from the site FYI "Due to a system upgrade that is currently in progress, the Sasanet Free sms service and purchase of sms credits are temporarily unavailable. Please check back again later." We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused, but strive to continually improve our service to you. Best Regards, Njuki-Imwe ----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> To: ngunjirijnr(a)yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:45:48 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working? well, am not a subscriber to them - i got jittery when their registration form had too many of what I thought were personal questions without equivalent demonstration of how they would secure my data... Nway, I just checked their website and it is up and running...so what do you mean when you say they are no longer working? walu. --- Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Wouldn't you be curious to find out a very popular free > internet-based www.sasanet.co.ke is now no longer > working? I wonder why? > > /Alex > > Mike Theuri <mike.theuri(a)gmail.com> wrote: Alex, > > Thank you for sharing the blog on the anti-consumer > setting in the country. The blog has very useful > information that is not being shared with Kenyan > consumers and it is key that consumer rights are upheld. > Your blog out to be brought to more attention of key > stakeholders in ICT and to consumers alike. > > Yes, the Ministry and CCK are best placed to > authoritatively comment on such an issue. However I > believe that what AT&T is discontinuing is the ability to > use a "call back" number from Kenya to the US. It is very > likely that the call back numbers which are 0800 numbers > are no longer profitable for AT&T especially given that > they cost as high as $3/min. Technically they are > supposed to be cheaper to use than if one was to "call > back" the US direct from any other country be it Kenya or > the UK. However with AT&T's rate to call the US from > Kenya as high as it is and with local providers beating > their tariffs they may have opted to drop this service. > What this might do, is it might leave AT&T US based > customers unable to call the US using their AT&T calling > cards for what would otherwise be exorbitant prices. > > The wording of the AT&T notice on the lack of no future > support for calls originating from Kenya wasn't very > clear and after some digging around it appears that it > referred to users of AT&T who utilize call back services > while traveling overseas, it might just be due to stiff > competition now that VOIP has been deregulated and > tariffs have fallen (though not low enough) and that no > one in their right mind would be willing to pay $3+ per > minute for a call to the US when for a extremely small > fraction one could make the same phone call at a lower > rate. > > Even then the tariffs in general are not fair enough for > Kenyan consumers and it is an uphill battle to enforce > changes when some of the largest tax payers happen to be > communication providers. It is unthinkable that the > government would do much to jeopardize a large and steady > tax revenue stream to save the honorable consumer. > Increasingly huge profits in a formerly depressed and now > recovering economy like ours raise the question whether > the consumer is getting a fair deal. It is akin to oil > companies making several times over some nations GDP in > profits and claiming that they are struggling themselves > and offering the best prices possible. Price regulation > in the industry is something that should be looked into > to further to try and strike a fair balance between > consumers needs and investors return on equity. > > Mike > > On 2/18/07, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Mike: > > Although this is a consumer issue, you may notice we have > quite some domestic wars with the prevailing > anti-consumer setting, http://ictconsumer.blogspot.com/ > for example. > > By engaging foreign networks, I am afraid the ICT > Consumers Association of Kenya could be considered acting > ultra vires thus the Ministry of Information and > Communications, CCK, and perhaps also Foreign Affairs are > best suited to comment. > > Would a provocative question, like "why has a private US > telco unilaterally cut-off communication from Kenya to > the US jeopardizing both a basic human right and the > national outsourcing strategy" earn a quick response from > government? > > rgds, > > Alex > > Mike Theuri <mike.theuri(a)gmail.com> wrote: As an after > thought, this may mean calls dialed through this number > which by itself is a very expensive option and which may > reflect the effects of voip and lowered costs of > international calls: > > Kenya 0-800-2201-15 (608) > > On 2/18/07, Mike Theuri <mike.theuri(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone know why the below might be the case ? AT&T > printed this in small print on bills sent to customer in > January. Considering > that AT&T is the largest telco in the US this is a > serious issue : > > International Call Origination: > Effective March 1, 2007, our International Call > Origination service will change. Current access > numbers for calls originating internationally > will change. Please visit att.com/dialing-guide > to print the new dialing-guide for your reference; > or call the number on your bill to order a new > dialing guide. Calls from Kenya to US will > no longer be supported. International to > international calling from St. Martin will no > longer be supported. Also, International > service will be expanded to over 60 additional > countries. To find out rates and countries where > we provide service, please visit > att.com/intl-rates. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alex.gakuru%40yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! 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Re: [kictanet] E-Centre in Eastlands-Kimathi Estate
by Jose' 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

Thanx Judy, Yeah its n awesome centre. How is the website? out of 10?let me know what y'all find it.Is it opening fast at your end?Am being told that in some places it aint opening I wonder why :-( Give me a call we shall organize a mtg.It will be exciting to show what we do through empowering the youth. Best Regards, Jose' Njuki-Imwe Ngunjiri || +254 722 336754 || ----- Original Message ---- From: Judy Okite <judyokite(a)gmail.com> To: ngunjirijnr(a)yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:52:08 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] E-Centre in Eastlands-Kimathi Estate This is soo cool...Jose, I need to link up with you of the list...please.... Kind Regards, On 2/21/07, Jose' <ngunjirijnr(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Checkout, www.kimathiinformationcentre.com some of the pages are still under construction like the forum,chat and guest book pages.Oh! also the donation page :-) We reach out to the Easltands community with free ICT lessons also we are a one stop E-centre. We are in the process of organizing a youth symposium that will focus on preparing youth in creating business proposals,business plans and how to apply for loans and in particular the Youth loan. All keep y'all posted Best Regards, Jose' Njuki-Imwe Ngunjiri || +254 722 336754 || ----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo < jwalu(a)yahoo.com> To: ngunjirijnr(a)yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:45:48 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working? well, am not a subscriber to them - i got jittery when their registration form had too many of what I thought were personal questions without equivalent demonstration of how they would secure my data... Nway, I just checked their website and it is up and running...so what do you mean when you say they are no longer working? walu. --- Alex Gakuru < alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Wouldn't you be curious to find out a very popular free > internet-based www.sasanet.co.ke is now no longer > working? I wonder why? > > /Alex > > Mike Theuri <mike.theuri(a)gmail.com> wrote: Alex, > > Thank you for sharing the blog on the anti-consumer > setting in the country. The blog has very useful > information that is not being shared with Kenyan > consumers and it is key that consumer rights are upheld. > Your blog out to be brought to more attention of key > stakeholders in ICT and to consumers alike. > > Yes, the Ministry and CCK are best placed to > authoritatively comment on such an issue. However I > believe that what AT&T is discontinuing is the ability to > use a "call back" number from Kenya to the US. It is very > likely that the call back numbers which are 0800 numbers > are no longer profitable for AT&T especially given that > they cost as high as $3/min. Technically they are > supposed to be cheaper to use than if one was to "call > back" the US direct from any other country be it Kenya or > the UK. However with AT&T's rate to call the US from > Kenya as high as it is and with local providers beating > their tariffs they may have opted to drop this service. > What this might do, is it might leave AT&T US based > customers unable to call the US using their AT&T calling > cards for what would otherwise be exorbitant prices. > > The wording of the AT&T notice on the lack of no future > support for calls originating from Kenya wasn't very > clear and after some digging around it appears that it > referred to users of AT&T who utilize call back services > while traveling overseas, it might just be due to stiff > competition now that VOIP has been deregulated and > tariffs have fallen (though not low enough) and that no > one in their right mind would be willing to pay $3+ per > minute for a call to the US when for a extremely small > fraction one could make the same phone call at a lower > rate. > > Even then the tariffs in general are not fair enough for > Kenyan consumers and it is an uphill battle to enforce > changes when some of the largest tax payers happen to be > communication providers. It is unthinkable that the > government would do much to jeopardize a large and steady > tax revenue stream to save the honorable consumer. > Increasingly huge profits in a formerly depressed and now > recovering economy like ours raise the question whether > the consumer is getting a fair deal. It is akin to oil > companies making several times over some nations GDP in > profits and claiming that they are struggling themselves > and offering the best prices possible. Price regulation > in the industry is something that should be looked into > to further to try and strike a fair balance between > consumers needs and investors return on equity. > > Mike > > On 2/18/07, Alex Gakuru < alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Mike: > > Although this is a consumer issue, you may notice we have > quite some domestic wars with the prevailing > anti-consumer setting, http://ictconsumer.blogspot.com/ > for example. > > By engaging foreign networks, I am afraid the ICT > Consumers Association of Kenya could be considered acting > ultra vires thus the Ministry of Information and > Communications, CCK, and perhaps also Foreign Affairs are > best suited to comment. > > Would a provocative question, like "why has a private US > telco unilaterally cut-off communication from Kenya to > the US jeopardizing both a basic human right and the > national outsourcing strategy" earn a quick response from > government? > > rgds, > > Alex > > Mike Theuri < mike.theuri(a)gmail.com> wrote: As an after > thought, this may mean calls dialed through this number > which by itself is a very expensive option and which may > reflect the effects of voip and lowered costs of > international calls: > > Kenya 0-800-2201-15 (608) > > On 2/18/07, Mike Theuri < mike.theuri(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone know why the below might be the case ? AT&T > printed this in small print on bills sent to customer in > January. Considering > that AT&T is the largest telco in the US this is a > serious issue : > > International Call Origination: > Effective March 1, 2007, our International Call > Origination service will change. Current access > numbers for calls originating internationally > will change. Please visit att.com/dialing-guide > to print the new dialing-guide for your reference; > or call the number on your bill to order a new > dialing guide. Calls from Kenya to US will > no longer be supported. International to > international calling from St. Martin will no > longer be supported. Also, International > service will be expanded to over 60 additional > countries. To find out rates and countries where > we provide service, please visit > att.com/intl-rates. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alex.gakuru%40yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! 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Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working?
by Jose' 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

I think they are just maintaining there systems.I use the Sasanet not only to send free sms' but also store my names in their address book this is one way of making your mind at ease when Mathira's crew do the "needful" to your "Hallo Moto!" phone. Lets give them a chance.we wait.Patience is a virtue. Best Regards, Jose' Njuki-Imwe Ngunjiri ----- Original Message ---- From: Judy Okite <judyokite(a)gmail.com> To: ngunjirijnr(a)yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:46:43 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working? In simpler English, Sasanet gives its subscribers an opportunity to send 10 sms's free to the local network(celtel or safcom)a total of 90 characters...then an advert takes up the rest of the characters,to make 160(a norm sms). For this service to be provided..sasanet fully depends on the sposnsors(adverts),like any other business definately you cannot give your clients the real reason as to why the services are not available.........but there are no sponsors...as per now to support the free sms......if any one one has been using this services,frequently,then you can agree that it has been an ON/OFF...kind of service...but since its free why make noise? just keep checking till it works......So there's no need to panic, it has nothing to with AT&T or something fishy,reading between the lines..... Kind Regards, On 2/21/07, Jose' <ngunjirijnr(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Walu, What Alex is expressing is the free sms service that sasanet gives.Everything else is up and running except the free sms service thats why we use it. I copied and pasted this from the site FYI "Due to a system upgrade that is currently in progress, the Sasanet Free sms service and purchase of sms credits are temporarily unavailable. Please check back again later." We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused, but strive to continually improve our service to you. Best Regards, Njuki-Imwe ----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> To: ngunjirijnr(a)yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:45:48 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working? well, am not a subscriber to them - i got jittery when their registration form had too many of what I thought were personal questions without equivalent demonstration of how they would secure my data... Nway, I just checked their website and it is up and running...so what do you mean when you say they are no longer working? walu. --- Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Wouldn't you be curious to find out a very popular free > internet-based www.sasanet.co.ke is now no longer > working? I wonder why? > > /Alex > > Mike Theuri <mike.theuri(a)gmail.com> wrote: Alex, > > Thank you for sharing the blog on the anti-consumer > setting in the country. The blog has very useful > information that is not being shared with Kenyan > consumers and it is key that consumer rights are upheld. > Your blog out to be brought to more attention of key > stakeholders in ICT and to consumers alike. > > Yes, the Ministry and CCK are best placed to > authoritatively comment on such an issue. However I > believe that what AT&T is discontinuing is the ability to > use a "call back" number from Kenya to the US. It is very > likely that the call back numbers which are 0800 numbers > are no longer profitable for AT&T especially given that > they cost as high as $3/min. Technically they are > supposed to be cheaper to use than if one was to "call > back" the US direct from any other country be it Kenya or > the UK. However with AT&T's rate to call the US from > Kenya as high as it is and with local providers beating > their tariffs they may have opted to drop this service. > What this might do, is it might leave AT&T US based > customers unable to call the US using their AT&T calling > cards for what would otherwise be exorbitant prices. > > The wording of the AT&T notice on the lack of no future > support for calls originating from Kenya wasn't very > clear and after some digging around it appears that it > referred to users of AT&T who utilize call back services > while traveling overseas, it might just be due to stiff > competition now that VOIP has been deregulated and > tariffs have fallen (though not low enough) and that no > one in their right mind would be willing to pay $3+ per > minute for a call to the US when for a extremely small > fraction one could make the same phone call at a lower > rate. > > Even then the tariffs in general are not fair enough for > Kenyan consumers and it is an uphill battle to enforce > changes when some of the largest tax payers happen to be > communication providers. It is unthinkable that the > government would do much to jeopardize a large and steady > tax revenue stream to save the honorable consumer. > Increasingly huge profits in a formerly depressed and now > recovering economy like ours raise the question whether > the consumer is getting a fair deal. It is akin to oil > companies making several times over some nations GDP in > profits and claiming that they are struggling themselves > and offering the best prices possible. Price regulation > in the industry is something that should be looked into > to further to try and strike a fair balance between > consumers needs and investors return on equity. > > Mike > > On 2/18/07, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Mike: > > Although this is a consumer issue, you may notice we have > quite some domestic wars with the prevailing > anti-consumer setting, http://ictconsumer.blogspot.com/ > for example. > > By engaging foreign networks, I am afraid the ICT > Consumers Association of Kenya could be considered acting > ultra vires thus the Ministry of Information and > Communications, CCK, and perhaps also Foreign Affairs are > best suited to comment. > > Would a provocative question, like "why has a private US > telco unilaterally cut-off communication from Kenya to > the US jeopardizing both a basic human right and the > national outsourcing strategy" earn a quick response from > government? > > rgds, > > Alex > > Mike Theuri <mike.theuri(a)gmail.com > wrote: As an after > thought, this may mean calls dialed through this number > which by itself is a very expensive option and which may > reflect the effects of voip and lowered costs of > international calls: > > Kenya 0-800-2201-15 (608) > > On 2/18/07, Mike Theuri <mike.theuri(a)gmail.com > wrote: > Does anyone know why the below might be the case ? AT&T > printed this in small print on bills sent to customer in > January. Considering > that AT&T is the largest telco in the US this is a > serious issue : > > International Call Origination: > Effective March 1, 2007, our International Call > Origination service will change. Current access > numbers for calls originating internationally > will change. Please visit att.com/dialing-guide > to print the new dialing-guide for your reference; > or call the number on your bill to order a new > dialing guide. Calls from Kenya to US will > no longer be supported. International to > international calling from St. Martin will no > longer be supported. Also, International > service will be expanded to over 60 additional > countries. To find out rates and countries where > we provide service, please visit > att.com/intl-rates. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alex.gakuru%40yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search > Marketing. > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mike.theuri%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alex.gakuru%40yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! 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E-Centre in Eastlands-Kimathi Estate
by Jose' 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

Checkout, www.kimathiinformationcentre.com some of the pages are still under construction like the forum,chat and guest book pages.Oh! also the donation page :-) We reach out to the Easltands community with free ICT lessons also we are a one stop E-centre. We are in the process of organizing a youth symposium that will focus on preparing youth in creating business proposals,business plans and how to apply for loans and in particular the Youth loan. All keep y'all posted Best Regards, Jose' Njuki-Imwe Ngunjiri || +254 722 336754 || ----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> To: ngunjirijnr(a)yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:45:48 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working? well, am not a subscriber to them - i got jittery when their registration form had too many of what I thought were personal questions without equivalent demonstration of how they would secure my data... Nway, I just checked their website and it is up and running...so what do you mean when you say they are no longer working? walu. --- Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Wouldn't you be curious to find out a very popular free > internet-based www.sasanet.co.ke is now no longer > working? I wonder why? > > /Alex > > Mike Theuri <mike.theuri(a)gmail.com> wrote: Alex, > > Thank you for sharing the blog on the anti-consumer > setting in the country. The blog has very useful > information that is not being shared with Kenyan > consumers and it is key that consumer rights are upheld. > Your blog out to be brought to more attention of key > stakeholders in ICT and to consumers alike. > > Yes, the Ministry and CCK are best placed to > authoritatively comment on such an issue. However I > believe that what AT&T is discontinuing is the ability to > use a "call back" number from Kenya to the US. It is very > likely that the call back numbers which are 0800 numbers > are no longer profitable for AT&T especially given that > they cost as high as $3/min. Technically they are > supposed to be cheaper to use than if one was to "call > back" the US direct from any other country be it Kenya or > the UK. However with AT&T's rate to call the US from > Kenya as high as it is and with local providers beating > their tariffs they may have opted to drop this service. > What this might do, is it might leave AT&T US based > customers unable to call the US using their AT&T calling > cards for what would otherwise be exorbitant prices. > > The wording of the AT&T notice on the lack of no future > support for calls originating from Kenya wasn't very > clear and after some digging around it appears that it > referred to users of AT&T who utilize call back services > while traveling overseas, it might just be due to stiff > competition now that VOIP has been deregulated and > tariffs have fallen (though not low enough) and that no > one in their right mind would be willing to pay $3+ per > minute for a call to the US when for a extremely small > fraction one could make the same phone call at a lower > rate. > > Even then the tariffs in general are not fair enough for > Kenyan consumers and it is an uphill battle to enforce > changes when some of the largest tax payers happen to be > communication providers. It is unthinkable that the > government would do much to jeopardize a large and steady > tax revenue stream to save the honorable consumer. > Increasingly huge profits in a formerly depressed and now > recovering economy like ours raise the question whether > the consumer is getting a fair deal. It is akin to oil > companies making several times over some nations GDP in > profits and claiming that they are struggling themselves > and offering the best prices possible. Price regulation > in the industry is something that should be looked into > to further to try and strike a fair balance between > consumers needs and investors return on equity. > > Mike > > On 2/18/07, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Mike: > > Although this is a consumer issue, you may notice we have > quite some domestic wars with the prevailing > anti-consumer setting, http://ictconsumer.blogspot.com/ > for example. > > By engaging foreign networks, I am afraid the ICT > Consumers Association of Kenya could be considered acting > ultra vires thus the Ministry of Information and > Communications, CCK, and perhaps also Foreign Affairs are > best suited to comment. > > Would a provocative question, like "why has a private US > telco unilaterally cut-off communication from Kenya to > the US jeopardizing both a basic human right and the > national outsourcing strategy" earn a quick response from > government? > > rgds, > > Alex > > Mike Theuri <mike.theuri(a)gmail.com> wrote: As an after > thought, this may mean calls dialed through this number > which by itself is a very expensive option and which may > reflect the effects of voip and lowered costs of > international calls: > > Kenya 0-800-2201-15 (608) > > On 2/18/07, Mike Theuri <mike.theuri(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone know why the below might be the case ? AT&T > printed this in small print on bills sent to customer in > January. Considering > that AT&T is the largest telco in the US this is a > serious issue : > > International Call Origination: > Effective March 1, 2007, our International Call > Origination service will change. Current access > numbers for calls originating internationally > will change. Please visit att.com/dialing-guide > to print the new dialing-guide for your reference; > or call the number on your bill to order a new > dialing guide. Calls from Kenya to US will > no longer be supported. International to > international calling from St. Martin will no > longer be supported. Also, International > service will be expanded to over 60 additional > countries. To find out rates and countries where > we provide service, please visit > att.com/intl-rates. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alex.gakuru%40yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search > Marketing. > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mike.theuri%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alex.gakuru%40yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! 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AT&T to no longer support calls originating from Kenya
by Mike Theuri 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

Does anyone know why the below might be the case ? AT&T printed this in small print on bills sent to customer in January. Considering that AT&T is the largest telco in the US this is a serious issue : International Call Origination: Effective March 1, 2007, our International Call Origination service will change. Current access numbers for calls originating internationally will change. Please visit att.com/dialing-guide to print the new dialing-guide for your reference; or call the number on your bill to order a new dialing guide. Calls from Kenya to US will no longer be supported. International to international calling from St. Martin will no longer be supported. Also, International service will be expanded to over 60 additional countries. To find out rates and countries where we provide service, please visit att.com/intl-rates.

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