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Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority to weed out quacks
by Dorcas Muthoni 02 Dec '16

02 Dec '16

I am sure they will be willing to listen too. Let's focus on the issues so that people feel free to engage. Walu, can this be an AOB somewhere during the planned meet-up? On Dec 2, 2016 9:21 AM, "Ali Hussein" <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> wrote: Dorcas I'm answering you specifically because you raised the issue. And yes the Authority needs to engage all stakeholders. And yes. Definitely beyond this list. We are yet to see evidence of that. *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Is this for me? It's for us all. Perhaps what you are saying is the ICT > Authority should should use a multi-stakeholder process. > > I am certain that getting the best criteria would involve more than those > in this list. > > On Dec 2, 2016 9:10 AM, "Ali Hussein" <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> wrote: > >> Dorcas >> >> You miss the point. Infact we are super concerned especially because >> these machinations are specifically targeting tenders. >> >> Why are you not answering the pertinent issues we have asked? >> >> 1. Who is an ICT Practitioner? >> 2. Who decides and what criteria is going to be used to ask and answer >> the above question? >> >> We are all for self-regulation. The majority of the malpractices are >> actually perpetrated by government functionaries who collude with >> TenderPreneurs. How then would you zero in on the so-called 'quacks'. >> >> Lets be honest with ourselves and say it as it is. >> >> This is simply a way to Ring-Fence certain opportunities for certain >> people. >> >> Regards >> >> >> *Ali Hussein* >> >> *Principal* >> >> *Hussein & Associates* >> >> >> >> Tel: +254 713 601113 >> >> Twitter: @AliHKassim >> >> Skype: abu-jomo >> >> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> >> >> >> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, >> >> Chiromo Road, Westlands, >> >> Nairobi, Kenya. >> >> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely >> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the >> organizations that I work with. >> >> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet < >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >>> Why are so many people insecure about this topic. >>> >>> Can a bank CEO act as the principal legal officer of a bank? Why not? >>> >>> Which Innovators are these people are referring to? As far as I know, >>> most of the referenced global innovators dropped out of some computer >>> science programs and employ thousands of highly qualified CS and >>> engineering graduates. >>> >>> I don't think starting a box-pushing or software license reselling >>> entity coupled with hiring a few technicians can turn anyone into a domain >>> professional. Let's get this straight and boldly address the true issues >>> at hand. >>> >>> Obviously, this loose arrangement is leading to the proliferation of >>> extreme tender-prenuership. >>> >>> Can anyone point me to potential local Bill Gates, Larry Page or Mark >>> Mark Zuckerberg. We can't use such example to complicate this discussion. >>> >>> If anything, we should be providing a friendly environment those with >>> money and great experience invest in highly scalable startups. >>> >>> Nothing bars anyone who falls short of an agreed criteria from working >>> on it. >>> >>> Obviously, we cannot water down such an important topic. >>> >>> On Dec 1, 2016 10:28 PM, "Alfred Kinyua via kictanet" < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Two things stand out, concerning ICT Authority. >>>> 1. Conformance of set standards (raising the bar). >>>> 2. locking out unqualified personnel, where government has interests . >>>> This is not a trivial issue, because one might be qualified but >>>> incompetent (theorists) / unsitable, while the opposite might be true, >>>> unqualufied but competent/suitable, this is true for ICT realtad mattets. >>>> Personally I thing further probing is required. >>>> >>>> On Dec 1, 2016 22:01, "Beryl Aidi via kictanet" < >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> Law and policy seldom exist in a vacuum. Does anyone know anywhere in >>>>> the world where the kind of regulation or ICT standards being anticipated >>>>> to be used to weed out quacks have been used successfully? Successfully >>>>> here being key, which means no victimization of those without any >>>>> certifications that may exist; startups; or those just playing around and >>>>> happen to stumble on something that may end up taking the world by storm; >>>>> and by no means a way to stifle internet freedoms. Anyone knows where such >>>>> a model exists? My two cents. >>>>> >>>>> Beryl Aidi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In summary... ICT is "...A coalition of The Willing..." >>>>>> >>>>>> Waithaka Ngigi >>>>>> >>>>>> Alliance Technologies >>>>>> www.at.co.ke >>>>>> *From: *Collins Areba via kictanet >>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:30 PM >>>>>> *To: *Ngigi Waithaka >>>>>> *Reply To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>>>>> *Cc: *Collins Areba; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority to weed out quacks >>>>>> >>>>>> Exactly! >>>>>> ICT is a disruptive sector. It is unfortunate when we attempt to >>>>>> define it as one would engineering, or architecture, or survey. The action >>>>>> - reaction - feedback - correction continum time wise is soo tiny. A >>>>>> decision for instance in some of these association, say which colour to >>>>>> paint a wall might take four months. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would still ask, what is the problem we are trying to solve? If >>>>>> this can be defined we should be in a position to find solutions >>>>>> collectively. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 21:12, "Mwendwa Kivuva" <Kivuva(a)transworldafrica.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The said procurement quacks are like Josephine Kabura. But they are >>>>>>> not really quacks because they work as conduits for their masters in high >>>>>>> places. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If it was possible to weed out "quacks" from the industry, the said >>>>>>> masters would still use the "professionals" to commit heinous crimes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Show me major scandals in Kenya conducted by quacks and I will show >>>>>>> you a liar. Goldenberg, Anglo-leasing, euro bond... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2016 7:36 PM, "Collins Areba via kictanet" < >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I believe regulation should only be present where there is a >>>>>>>> limited, shared resource that might be subject to abuse. Short of having a >>>>>>>> set of rules: don't test an EMP in a built up area, don't access government >>>>>>>> servers even if their passwords are admin, admin. Don't give the >>>>>>>> president's number on twitter, etc etc etc. That is progressive >>>>>>>> legislation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 18:24, "Collins Areba" <arebacollins(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dorcas: show me the chaos. Then we discuss order. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 18:17, "James Muendo" <james(a)muendo.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Collins, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> James Muendo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chief Executive Officer (CEO), >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Logic Craft Ltd, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Suite 39, 2nd Floor, Visions Plaza, Mombasa Road >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P.O Box 28016 – 00200, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nairobi,KE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> M:| +254.725.567.508 S: | tim.rick Gtalk:| james.muendo T: | >>>>>>>>>> @MmuendoW:|http://about.me/muendo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Too Brief? Here's Why >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:15 PM +0300, "Collins Areba via >>>>>>>>>> kictanet" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Personally I seek examples of the damage done by the said quacks >>>>>>>>>>> that professional institutions haven't done. The distinct point of >>>>>>>>>>> departure which will show the distinct difference so as to justify >>>>>>>>>>> regulation. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 17:32, "waudo siganga via kictanet" < >>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kivuva, you forgot Zuckerberg. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> College drop outs who rule the world. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Saul Dell, William Henry “Bill” Gates iii, Paul Gardner >>>>>>>>>>>> Allen, Lawrence Joseph Ellison, Stephen “Woz” Wozniak, Steven Paul Jobs, >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Edward “Ted” Turner iii >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lord.me.ke/college-dropouts-who-rule-the-world/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder who among those would be considered an ICT pro in >>>>>>>>>>>> Kenya. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >>>>>>>>>>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 December 2016 at 12:03, Ali Hussein via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The real important question has not been answered. Not since >>>>>>>>>>>> the term ICT started being used. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> WHO IS AN ICT PRACTITIONER? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And who is this WATCHDOG who will abrogate himself/herself the >>>>>>>>>>>> role of GateKeeper and RentSeeker? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ali Hussein >>>>>>>>>>>> Principal >>>>>>>>>>>> Hussein & Associates >>>>>>>>>>>> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and >>>>>>>>>>>> thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016, at 10:51 AM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Brian they will implant a chip in your brain and track your IQ >>>>>>>>>>>> to see whether you are fit for IT. Whereas the millennial generation will >>>>>>>>>>>> lose most as they are hands on. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Athar Ahmad Bhatti >>>>>>>>>>>> +254726488311 <+254%20726%20488311> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM +0300, "Brian Muhia via >>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is only to be applied to people trying to do contract jobs >>>>>>>>>>>> for the government, right? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:27 AM WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Blessed Thursday! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Might the sector be getting its shape? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Private schooling started as an innovative approach to >>>>>>>>>>>> education - now we even have more innovative home schooling and best >>>>>>>>>>>> practice approaches. Healthcare etc >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Who has helped to weed out quacks proactively in most instances >>>>>>>>>>>> - it is the industry associations working with the governments. An angle to >>>>>>>>>>>> borrow from. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "....He said the authority will in the next couple of weeks >>>>>>>>>>>> launch ICT standards where every professional in the field seeking to serve >>>>>>>>>>>> public service must comply. >>>>>>>>>>>> “One of the things which we are doing very soon in the next >>>>>>>>>>>> couple of weeks, is that we shall be launching ICT standard, these are ICT >>>>>>>>>>>> national standards and we plan on having them effective from first of >>>>>>>>>>>> January and based on that vendors will have to comply with the standards,” >>>>>>>>>>>> said the CEO, adding that those who will not comply to the standards will >>>>>>>>>>>> be blacklisted..." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How might the players engage in the discourse to give it shape >>>>>>>>>>>> while keep its jelly-nature? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Be blessed. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards/Wangari >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We >>>>>>>>>>>> are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The >>>>>>>>>>>> Kingdom of God on Earth". >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 1 December 2016, 8:43, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via >>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well in this case this dog could come biting back at the same >>>>>>>>>>>> people who unleashed it. That is if we take into consideration how our >>>>>>>>>>>> institutions are run. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Listers >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> All Information Communication and Technology (ICT) >>>>>>>>>>>> professionals will now be vetted to weed out quacks and sanitise the >>>>>>>>>>>> industry, ICT Authority chief executive officer Robert Mugo said yesterday. >>>>>>>>>>>> He said the authority is alarmed by the rising of cases of >>>>>>>>>>>> individuals and groups masquerading as ICT experts seeking to tender for >>>>>>>>>>>> services in the counties. >>>>>>>>>>>> Read on:- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *FastMail WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible >>>>>>>>>>>> phishing attempt. URL disabled. 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Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority to weed out quacks
by Ali Hussein 02 Dec '16

02 Dec '16

Dorcas I'm answering you specifically because you raised the issue. And yes the Authority needs to engage all stakeholders. And yes. Definitely beyond this list. We are yet to see evidence of that. *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Is this for me? It's for us all. Perhaps what you are saying is the ICT > Authority should should use a multi-stakeholder process. > > I am certain that getting the best criteria would involve more than those > in this list. > > On Dec 2, 2016 9:10 AM, "Ali Hussein" <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> wrote: > >> Dorcas >> >> You miss the point. Infact we are super concerned especially because >> these machinations are specifically targeting tenders. >> >> Why are you not answering the pertinent issues we have asked? >> >> 1. Who is an ICT Practitioner? >> 2. Who decides and what criteria is going to be used to ask and answer >> the above question? >> >> We are all for self-regulation. The majority of the malpractices are >> actually perpetrated by government functionaries who collude with >> TenderPreneurs. How then would you zero in on the so-called 'quacks'. >> >> Lets be honest with ourselves and say it as it is. >> >> This is simply a way to Ring-Fence certain opportunities for certain >> people. >> >> Regards >> >> >> *Ali Hussein* >> >> *Principal* >> >> *Hussein & Associates* >> >> >> >> Tel: +254 713 601113 >> >> Twitter: @AliHKassim >> >> Skype: abu-jomo >> >> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> >> >> >> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, >> >> Chiromo Road, Westlands, >> >> Nairobi, Kenya. >> >> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely >> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the >> organizations that I work with. >> >> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet < >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >>> Why are so many people insecure about this topic. >>> >>> Can a bank CEO act as the principal legal officer of a bank? Why not? >>> >>> Which Innovators are these people are referring to? As far as I know, >>> most of the referenced global innovators dropped out of some computer >>> science programs and employ thousands of highly qualified CS and >>> engineering graduates. >>> >>> I don't think starting a box-pushing or software license reselling >>> entity coupled with hiring a few technicians can turn anyone into a domain >>> professional. Let's get this straight and boldly address the true issues >>> at hand. >>> >>> Obviously, this loose arrangement is leading to the proliferation of >>> extreme tender-prenuership. >>> >>> Can anyone point me to potential local Bill Gates, Larry Page or Mark >>> Mark Zuckerberg. We can't use such example to complicate this discussion. >>> >>> If anything, we should be providing a friendly environment those with >>> money and great experience invest in highly scalable startups. >>> >>> Nothing bars anyone who falls short of an agreed criteria from working >>> on it. >>> >>> Obviously, we cannot water down such an important topic. >>> >>> On Dec 1, 2016 10:28 PM, "Alfred Kinyua via kictanet" < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Two things stand out, concerning ICT Authority. >>>> 1. Conformance of set standards (raising the bar). >>>> 2. locking out unqualified personnel, where government has interests . >>>> This is not a trivial issue, because one might be qualified but >>>> incompetent (theorists) / unsitable, while the opposite might be true, >>>> unqualufied but competent/suitable, this is true for ICT realtad mattets. >>>> Personally I thing further probing is required. >>>> >>>> On Dec 1, 2016 22:01, "Beryl Aidi via kictanet" < >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> Law and policy seldom exist in a vacuum. Does anyone know anywhere in >>>>> the world where the kind of regulation or ICT standards being anticipated >>>>> to be used to weed out quacks have been used successfully? Successfully >>>>> here being key, which means no victimization of those without any >>>>> certifications that may exist; startups; or those just playing around and >>>>> happen to stumble on something that may end up taking the world by storm; >>>>> and by no means a way to stifle internet freedoms. Anyone knows where such >>>>> a model exists? My two cents. >>>>> >>>>> Beryl Aidi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In summary... ICT is "...A coalition of The Willing..." >>>>>> >>>>>> Waithaka Ngigi >>>>>> >>>>>> Alliance Technologies >>>>>> www.at.co.ke >>>>>> *From: *Collins Areba via kictanet >>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:30 PM >>>>>> *To: *Ngigi Waithaka >>>>>> *Reply To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>>>>> *Cc: *Collins Areba; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority to weed out quacks >>>>>> >>>>>> Exactly! >>>>>> ICT is a disruptive sector. It is unfortunate when we attempt to >>>>>> define it as one would engineering, or architecture, or survey. The action >>>>>> - reaction - feedback - correction continum time wise is soo tiny. A >>>>>> decision for instance in some of these association, say which colour to >>>>>> paint a wall might take four months. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would still ask, what is the problem we are trying to solve? If >>>>>> this can be defined we should be in a position to find solutions >>>>>> collectively. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 21:12, "Mwendwa Kivuva" <Kivuva(a)transworldafrica.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The said procurement quacks are like Josephine Kabura. But they are >>>>>>> not really quacks because they work as conduits for their masters in high >>>>>>> places. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If it was possible to weed out "quacks" from the industry, the said >>>>>>> masters would still use the "professionals" to commit heinous crimes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Show me major scandals in Kenya conducted by quacks and I will show >>>>>>> you a liar. Goldenberg, Anglo-leasing, euro bond... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2016 7:36 PM, "Collins Areba via kictanet" < >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I believe regulation should only be present where there is a >>>>>>>> limited, shared resource that might be subject to abuse. Short of having a >>>>>>>> set of rules: don't test an EMP in a built up area, don't access government >>>>>>>> servers even if their passwords are admin, admin. Don't give the >>>>>>>> president's number on twitter, etc etc etc. That is progressive >>>>>>>> legislation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 18:24, "Collins Areba" <arebacollins(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dorcas: show me the chaos. Then we discuss order. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 18:17, "James Muendo" <james(a)muendo.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Collins, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> James Muendo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chief Executive Officer (CEO), >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Logic Craft Ltd, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Suite 39, 2nd Floor, Visions Plaza, Mombasa Road >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P.O Box 28016 – 00200, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nairobi,KE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> M:| +254.725.567.508 S: | tim.rick Gtalk:| james.muendo T: | >>>>>>>>>> @MmuendoW:|http://about.me/muendo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Too Brief? Here's Why >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:15 PM +0300, "Collins Areba via >>>>>>>>>> kictanet" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Personally I seek examples of the damage done by the said quacks >>>>>>>>>>> that professional institutions haven't done. The distinct point of >>>>>>>>>>> departure which will show the distinct difference so as to justify >>>>>>>>>>> regulation. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 17:32, "waudo siganga via kictanet" < >>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kivuva, you forgot Zuckerberg. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> College drop outs who rule the world. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Saul Dell, William Henry “Bill” Gates iii, Paul Gardner >>>>>>>>>>>> Allen, Lawrence Joseph Ellison, Stephen “Woz” Wozniak, Steven Paul Jobs, >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Edward “Ted” Turner iii >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lord.me.ke/college-dropouts-who-rule-the-world/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder who among those would be considered an ICT pro in >>>>>>>>>>>> Kenya. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >>>>>>>>>>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 December 2016 at 12:03, Ali Hussein via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The real important question has not been answered. Not since >>>>>>>>>>>> the term ICT started being used. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> WHO IS AN ICT PRACTITIONER? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And who is this WATCHDOG who will abrogate himself/herself the >>>>>>>>>>>> role of GateKeeper and RentSeeker? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ali Hussein >>>>>>>>>>>> Principal >>>>>>>>>>>> Hussein & Associates >>>>>>>>>>>> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and >>>>>>>>>>>> thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016, at 10:51 AM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Brian they will implant a chip in your brain and track your IQ >>>>>>>>>>>> to see whether you are fit for IT. Whereas the millennial generation will >>>>>>>>>>>> lose most as they are hands on. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Athar Ahmad Bhatti >>>>>>>>>>>> +254726488311 <+254%20726%20488311> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM +0300, "Brian Muhia via >>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is only to be applied to people trying to do contract jobs >>>>>>>>>>>> for the government, right? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:27 AM WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Blessed Thursday! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Might the sector be getting its shape? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Private schooling started as an innovative approach to >>>>>>>>>>>> education - now we even have more innovative home schooling and best >>>>>>>>>>>> practice approaches. Healthcare etc >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Who has helped to weed out quacks proactively in most instances >>>>>>>>>>>> - it is the industry associations working with the governments. An angle to >>>>>>>>>>>> borrow from. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "....He said the authority will in the next couple of weeks >>>>>>>>>>>> launch ICT standards where every professional in the field seeking to serve >>>>>>>>>>>> public service must comply. >>>>>>>>>>>> “One of the things which we are doing very soon in the next >>>>>>>>>>>> couple of weeks, is that we shall be launching ICT standard, these are ICT >>>>>>>>>>>> national standards and we plan on having them effective from first of >>>>>>>>>>>> January and based on that vendors will have to comply with the standards,” >>>>>>>>>>>> said the CEO, adding that those who will not comply to the standards will >>>>>>>>>>>> be blacklisted..." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How might the players engage in the discourse to give it shape >>>>>>>>>>>> while keep its jelly-nature? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Be blessed. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards/Wangari >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We >>>>>>>>>>>> are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The >>>>>>>>>>>> Kingdom of God on Earth". >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 1 December 2016, 8:43, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via >>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well in this case this dog could come biting back at the same >>>>>>>>>>>> people who unleashed it. That is if we take into consideration how our >>>>>>>>>>>> institutions are run. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Listers >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> All Information Communication and Technology (ICT) >>>>>>>>>>>> professionals will now be vetted to weed out quacks and sanitise the >>>>>>>>>>>> industry, ICT Authority chief executive officer Robert Mugo said yesterday. >>>>>>>>>>>> He said the authority is alarmed by the rising of cases of >>>>>>>>>>>> individuals and groups masquerading as ICT experts seeking to tender for >>>>>>>>>>>> services in the counties. >>>>>>>>>>>> Read on:- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *FastMail WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible >>>>>>>>>>>> phishing attempt. URL disabled. Original URL='http://www.mediamaxn >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.mediamaxn>etwork.co.ke/people- >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://etwork.co.ke/people->daily/277875/ict-authority-weed-quacks/'. >>>>>>>>>>>> Original text='http://www.mediamaxnetwork.co >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.mediamaxnetwork.co>. ke/people-daily/277875/ict- >>>>>>>>>>>> authority-weed-quacks/'. For more information on phishing click here >>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///docs/phishing.html>.* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ali Hussein >>>>>>>>>>>> Principal >>>>>>>>>>>> Hussein & Associates >>>>>>>>>>>> +254 0713 601113 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: *FastMail WARNING: URL text and host don't match, >>>>>>>>>>>> possible phishing attempt. URL disabled. Original URL='http://ke.linkedin.c >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.c>om/in/alihkassim'. Original text='http://ke.linkedin >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://ke.linkedin>. com/in/alihkassim'. 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Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority to weed out quacks
by Ali Hussein 02 Dec '16

02 Dec '16

Dorcas You miss the point. Infact we are super concerned especially because these machinations are specifically targeting tenders. Why are you not answering the pertinent issues we have asked? 1. Who is an ICT Practitioner? 2. Who decides and what criteria is going to be used to ask and answer the above question? We are all for self-regulation. The majority of the malpractices are actually perpetrated by government functionaries who collude with TenderPreneurs. How then would you zero in on the so-called 'quacks'. Lets be honest with ourselves and say it as it is. This is simply a way to Ring-Fence certain opportunities for certain people. Regards *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Why are so many people insecure about this topic. > > Can a bank CEO act as the principal legal officer of a bank? Why not? > > Which Innovators are these people are referring to? As far as I know, > most of the referenced global innovators dropped out of some computer > science programs and employ thousands of highly qualified CS and > engineering graduates. > > I don't think starting a box-pushing or software license reselling entity > coupled with hiring a few technicians can turn anyone into a domain > professional. Let's get this straight and boldly address the true issues > at hand. > > Obviously, this loose arrangement is leading to the proliferation of > extreme tender-prenuership. > > Can anyone point me to potential local Bill Gates, Larry Page or Mark Mark > Zuckerberg. We can't use such example to complicate this discussion. > > If anything, we should be providing a friendly environment those with > money and great experience invest in highly scalable startups. > > Nothing bars anyone who falls short of an agreed criteria from working on > it. > > Obviously, we cannot water down such an important topic. > > On Dec 1, 2016 10:28 PM, "Alfred Kinyua via kictanet" < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> Two things stand out, concerning ICT Authority. >> 1. Conformance of set standards (raising the bar). >> 2. locking out unqualified personnel, where government has interests . >> This is not a trivial issue, because one might be qualified but >> incompetent (theorists) / unsitable, while the opposite might be true, >> unqualufied but competent/suitable, this is true for ICT realtad mattets. >> Personally I thing further probing is required. >> >> On Dec 1, 2016 22:01, "Beryl Aidi via kictanet" < >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> Law and policy seldom exist in a vacuum. Does anyone know anywhere in >>> the world where the kind of regulation or ICT standards being anticipated >>> to be used to weed out quacks have been used successfully? Successfully >>> here being key, which means no victimization of those without any >>> certifications that may exist; startups; or those just playing around and >>> happen to stumble on something that may end up taking the world by storm; >>> and by no means a way to stifle internet freedoms. Anyone knows where such >>> a model exists? My two cents. >>> >>> Beryl Aidi >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> In summary... ICT is "...A coalition of The Willing..." >>>> >>>> Waithaka Ngigi >>>> >>>> Alliance Technologies >>>> www.at.co.ke >>>> *From: *Collins Areba via kictanet >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:30 PM >>>> *To: *Ngigi Waithaka >>>> *Reply To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>>> *Cc: *Collins Areba; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority to weed out quacks >>>> >>>> Exactly! >>>> ICT is a disruptive sector. It is unfortunate when we attempt to define >>>> it as one would engineering, or architecture, or survey. The action - >>>> reaction - feedback - correction continum time wise is soo tiny. A decision >>>> for instance in some of these association, say which colour to paint a wall >>>> might take four months. >>>> >>>> I would still ask, what is the problem we are trying to solve? If this >>>> can be defined we should be in a position to find solutions collectively. >>>> >>>> On 1 Dec 2016 21:12, "Mwendwa Kivuva" <Kivuva(a)transworldafrica.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The said procurement quacks are like Josephine Kabura. But they are >>>>> not really quacks because they work as conduits for their masters in high >>>>> places. >>>>> >>>>> If it was possible to weed out "quacks" from the industry, the said >>>>> masters would still use the "professionals" to commit heinous crimes. >>>>> >>>>> Show me major scandals in Kenya conducted by quacks and I will show >>>>> you a liar. Goldenberg, Anglo-leasing, euro bond... >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 1, 2016 7:36 PM, "Collins Areba via kictanet" < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I believe regulation should only be present where there is a limited, >>>>>> shared resource that might be subject to abuse. Short of having a set of >>>>>> rules: don't test an EMP in a built up area, don't access government >>>>>> servers even if their passwords are admin, admin. Don't give the >>>>>> president's number on twitter, etc etc etc. That is progressive >>>>>> legislation. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 18:24, "Collins Areba" <arebacollins(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dorcas: show me the chaos. Then we discuss order. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 18:17, "James Muendo" <james(a)muendo.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Collins, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> James Muendo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chief Executive Officer (CEO), >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Logic Craft Ltd, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Suite 39, 2nd Floor, Visions Plaza, Mombasa Road >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P.O Box 28016 – 00200, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nairobi,KE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> M:| +254.725.567.508 S: | tim.rick Gtalk:| james.muendo T: | >>>>>>>> @MmuendoW:|http://about.me/muendo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Too Brief? Here's Why >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:15 PM +0300, "Collins Areba via kictanet" >>>>>>>> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Personally I seek examples of the damage done by the said quacks >>>>>>>>> that professional institutions haven't done. The distinct point of >>>>>>>>> departure which will show the distinct difference so as to justify >>>>>>>>> regulation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 17:32, "waudo siganga via kictanet" < >>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kivuva, you forgot Zuckerberg. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> College drop outs who rule the world. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Saul Dell, William Henry “Bill” Gates iii, Paul Gardner >>>>>>>>>> Allen, Lawrence Joseph Ellison, Stephen “Woz” Wozniak, Steven Paul Jobs, >>>>>>>>>> Robert Edward “Ted” Turner iii >>>>>>>>>> http://lord.me.ke/college-dropouts-who-rule-the-world/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wonder who among those would be considered an ICT pro in Kenya. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ______________________ >>>>>>>>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >>>>>>>>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1 December 2016 at 12:03, Ali Hussein via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The real important question has not been answered. Not since the >>>>>>>>>> term ICT started being used. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> WHO IS AN ICT PRACTITIONER? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And who is this WATCHDOG who will abrogate himself/herself the >>>>>>>>>> role of GateKeeper and RentSeeker? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ali Hussein >>>>>>>>>> Principal >>>>>>>>>> Hussein & Associates >>>>>>>>>> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and >>>>>>>>>> thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016, at 10:51 AM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Brian they will implant a chip in your brain and track your IQ to >>>>>>>>>> see whether you are fit for IT. Whereas the millennial generation will lose >>>>>>>>>> most as they are hands on. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Athar Ahmad Bhatti >>>>>>>>>> +254726488311 <+254%20726%20488311> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM +0300, "Brian Muhia via kictanet" >>>>>>>>>> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is only to be applied to people trying to do contract jobs >>>>>>>>>> for the government, right? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:27 AM WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Blessed Thursday! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Might the sector be getting its shape? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Private schooling started as an innovative approach to education >>>>>>>>>> - now we even have more innovative home schooling and best practice >>>>>>>>>> approaches. Healthcare etc >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Who has helped to weed out quacks proactively in most instances - >>>>>>>>>> it is the industry associations working with the governments. An angle to >>>>>>>>>> borrow from. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "....He said the authority will in the next couple of weeks >>>>>>>>>> launch ICT standards where every professional in the field seeking to serve >>>>>>>>>> public service must comply. >>>>>>>>>> “One of the things which we are doing very soon in the next >>>>>>>>>> couple of weeks, is that we shall be launching ICT standard, these are ICT >>>>>>>>>> national standards and we plan on having them effective from first of >>>>>>>>>> January and based on that vendors will have to comply with the standards,” >>>>>>>>>> said the CEO, adding that those who will not comply to the standards will >>>>>>>>>> be blacklisted..." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How might the players engage in the discourse to give it shape >>>>>>>>>> while keep its jelly-nature? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Be blessed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards/Wangari >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are >>>>>>>>>> Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of >>>>>>>>>> God on Earth". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 1 December 2016, 8:43, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via >>>>>>>>>> kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well in this case this dog could come biting back at the same >>>>>>>>>> people who unleashed it. That is if we take into consideration how our >>>>>>>>>> institutions are run. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Listers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All Information Communication and Technology (ICT) professionals >>>>>>>>>> will now be vetted to weed out quacks and sanitise the industry, ICT >>>>>>>>>> Authority chief executive officer Robert Mugo said yesterday. >>>>>>>>>> He said the authority is alarmed by the rising of cases of >>>>>>>>>> individuals and groups masquerading as ICT experts seeking to tender for >>>>>>>>>> services in the counties. >>>>>>>>>> Read on:- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *FastMail WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible >>>>>>>>>> phishing attempt. URL disabled. Original URL='http://www.mediamaxn >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.mediamaxn>etwork.co.ke/people- >>>>>>>>>> <http://etwork.co.ke/people->daily/277875/ict-authority-weed-quacks/'. >>>>>>>>>> Original text='http://www.mediamaxnetwork.co >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.mediamaxnetwork.co>. ke/people-daily/277875/ict- >>>>>>>>>> authority-weed-quacks/'. For more information on phishing click here >>>>>>>>>> <http:///docs/phishing.html>.* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ali Hussein >>>>>>>>>> Principal >>>>>>>>>> Hussein & Associates >>>>>>>>>> +254 0713 601113 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: *FastMail WARNING: URL text and host don't match, >>>>>>>>>> possible phishing attempt. URL disabled. Original URL='http://ke.linkedin.c >>>>>>>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.c>om/in/alihkassim'. Original text='http://ke.linkedin >>>>>>>>>> <http://ke.linkedin>. com/in/alihkassim'. 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Program for tomorrow's Kenya ICT year in review cocktail - 2nd December 2016 from 6pm to 9pm
by Grace Githaiga 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

Listers Please find attached the program for tomorrow's cocktail. Regards Grace

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Petition against Ajira
by Tony White 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

This is strange - It seems to me that those who are already involved in 'online' work just don't want 1 million Kenyan youth 'invading their space'. Fear? Jealousy? Sijui ;) I have to hope that CS Mucheru knows what he is doing! http://www.techweez.com/2016/11/30/petition-fronted-bring-ajira-digital-web… -- Tony White

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Day 1 of 3: 2016 ICT Year in Review Feedback - Policy, Legal & Regulatory Issues
by WANGARI KABIRU 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

Blessed new month December! Kindly find comments, with thanks! Be blessed! Regards/Wangari Day 1 of 3: 2016 ICT Year in Review Feedback -Policy, Legal & Regulatory Issues Listers,(apologies for cross-posting) Thanksagain for those who spared time to provide feedback - so that the rest of uscan read and interrogate the same :-) Over thenext 3 days I shall share the feedback and basically hope to get furtherreactions from the floor. I attach the feedback document but withsummaries below: 1. Policy& Legal Feedback a) 52% of the respondents felt that the UniversalService Fund(USF) had not met its objective. 40% felt that it had to a moderateextent while 8% felt it had a very large extent. - CSOs tappinginto the fund; for advocacy, lobbying- Innovators - for groundbreaking research and solutions that others may ride on as enterprises a) 61% of therespondents felt that ICT Policies and initiative had not impacted thecounties. 23% of the respondents felt that these had moderately impacted thecounties, while 10% felt they had an impact to a very large extent.- CountyGovernments must take initiative to inbuilt in their services. c) 41% of the respondents felt that the multi-stakeholder approachbetween ICT stakeholders and government was moderately achieved. 31% feltit was not achieved while 25% felt it was, to a very large extent.We have seen public calls to ICT stakeholders by Government agencies- The Tech community contribution can do much better- CSOs are not at the forefront lobbying - perhaps may not have the capacity d) Policy/Legal Issues not yet addressed include: Cyber Crime /CyberSecurity Bill and its position in Senate and National Assembly, Data ProtectionBill, ICT Practitioners Bill, Privacy Issue Linkages between National &County Governments on ICT matters, Quality of Internet, Infrastructure SharingRegulatory FeedbackThe feedback loop can be improved2. Regulatory Feedbacka) 48% of the respondents felt that the question of affordable communications/internetpricing had not been well addressed. 30% felt that the question of affordablepricing has been moderately addressed while 20% felt it has been addressed to avery large extent.- CSOs who are best placed to lobbyfor this seem not to consider ICT as a frontier to venture into. They are stillfocused on the poverty areas where donors pump money of food, health, education- Donor support linked to the ICTs isnew frontier that entities like ISOC Chapter may champion forb) 68% of the respondents felt that the issue of dominance in the sectorwas affecting pricing of communication services to a very large extent. 16%felt it moderately affected pricing while 13% felt it was really not an issue.- Monopoly, oligopoly with a lukewarm regulator hand to players is notgood for the consumer. It is very good for the investor- The fact that the ICT sector is predominantly foreign-owned should be acontributor – with repatriation of profits and foreign versus local interestsc) 48% of the respondents felt that the urban-rural digital divide hadnot been adequately addressed while 34% felt that it had been moderatelyaddressed while only 7% felt it had been addressed to a very large extent. Urban-urban divide requires to get into the conversation. This is also adiscriminatory element.- ISPs cables within urban centres terminate as you enter into a slumarea.- What this means is that the low income pay more, have to find theirown local ways to access servicese.g Kenya Power in the slum electrification has shown that it can bedone.d) 65% of the respondents felt that the regulator had not addressed theissue of inclusivity with regard to persons with disabilities (PWD). 27% feltthis had been moderately addressed while only 5% felt it has been addressed toa large extent.What does legislation say – this becomes the benchmark andall players comply- CSOs take on their role to engage and lobby for e) Areas needing Regulatory Interventions: Operator Dominance Issues,Internet Pricing & Affordability issues, White Spaces, Operationalizationof Universal Service Fund & Access, Failed Number Portability, Dataprotection for Subscriber Data, Conflict between regulatory bodies, Last mileconnectivity and Way-leaves, Net-Neutrality, Support for ICT-startups, Supportfor Digital evidence in courts, Inclusion & Support for Persons With Irrespectiveof whether you participated in the questionnaire or not, you are invitedto comment, support, oppose and/or seek clarifications on the views ofstakeholders.Tommorrow weshall post the feedback on Human Capital & Infrastructure. --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".

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Re: [kictanet] Day 3 of 3: 2016 ICT Year in Review Feedback - Information Infrastructure Issues
by WANGARI KABIRU 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

Blessed new month! Kindly find comments, with thanks! Blessed day. Regards/Wangari Re: [kictanet] Day 3 of 3: 2016 ICT Year in ReviewFeedback - Information Infrastructure IssuesFrom: Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com Cc: Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 2(a) of 3: 2016 ICT Year in Review Feedback- Human Capital Feedback Thanx Bomu, Wangari, Rop, Barrack, Wambui and others for yourreactions...the floor is actually open for belated reactions on previousthematic areas, just keep the subject line in context. Today we share the feedback on the last thematic area :- InformationInfrastructure as given below. a) 86% of the respondents felt that governmentdigitization (Huduma Centers, eCitizen portal, etc) program has been useful toa very large extent. 12% felt it was moderately useful with a very smallminority1.5 thinking it has not been useful.The usefulness isundoubted when you look at access, possibly when you compare with a past whenit was not as efficient.Kenya has won awardsand honourable global recognition for some of the initiatives such as HudumaCenters.Let us move thediscourse forward now. Is this the best there is?- Could we define afuture then gauge from it- What other practicesare there in other countries- How is the businessand technical community riding on this “like over the top services”Areas to interrogate;- Local supply- Local labourWhat are the declared hiddencosts;- The user pays the feefor the service- There is anadministration fee e.g business name search went higher. What are the undeclaredhidden costs;- Buy a phone that iscompliant- The user absorbs theother hidden costs – internet bundles, cybercafé charge – cybers charge Ksh200-500 to assist with PIN registry plus cybercafé per minute charges- Centralised servicesaway from our local chiefs means transport costs - These undeclaredhidden costs are poverty propagators – the well to do seeking for efficiencymay not feel the pinch loudly, what of the hard-pressed?- Who is benefiting – Phonecompanies, ISPs, local cybersb) 48% of the respondents felt that thedigitization of government operations has gone to the other sectors to amoderate extent. 30% felt this cross-sector absorption of ICTs has not reallyhappened while 10% feel it has to a very large extent.A wholesome survey on the national state would aidto respond to this with affirmative- This is where CSOs plug in and conduct a neutralsurveyPR is important- Discussions in public recently were on how IFMISis said to propagate fraud by senior officials – Governors who definemwananchis mindset a lot. Leaders should be held accountable c) 52% of the respondents felt that the localcontent industry has NOT been well supported. 34% felt it has been moderatelysupported while only 8% felt it has been supported to a very large extent.We need a sharedappreciation of local content – and to broaden the scope- This has been takento be for TV, Radio mainly in the arts. - This would elicit heavy emotions versusrationalisation- Universities and higher level institutions can take this one d) 70% of the respondents felt that the issue ofinformation security has not been adequately addressed. 25% thought it had beenmoderately addressed while only 4% felt it had been addressed to a very largeextent.This must get into the Internet Governanceconversations- Lack of security or protection negates and reduces thethrust of ICTs driving the economyGod is merciful to us certainly because the day “saidfraudstar types” descend, Kenyans are in trouble- As a general public, awareness on security evenphysical security is not an every day factor- This makes digital security a farfetched subjectto most- Until money is involved- Data is conceptualPrivate sector as the provider of services must beincreasingly liable to protect its customers. Consumers trust that the produceris in the market and certified because they offer a good product – which includesprotection from all harm- Might this be a factor in increase in cost ofsome services - Consumer education should be reinforced. ByGovernment, CSOs and private sector – the way a product/service is broadcasted,the dangers should be highlighted tood) The following werementioned as key info-infrastructure interventions that have not beenaddressed/misaddressed: Misguided/aggressive e-Content regulation maybecounter-productive to local content industry. Security surveillance withoutData Protection Act is counter-productive. The Government Shared Serviceconcept still not effective, particularly at County levels. Expand eGovServices to be accessible thro USSD, Improve the user-interface on mostGovernment websites, enhance cyber security and offer public awareness programson the same. The detailed report is attached and we have until tomorrow mid-day toclose this up. --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".

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Day 2(a) of 3: 2016 ICT Year in Review Feedback - Human Capital Feedback
by WANGARI KABIRU 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

Blessed new month December! Kindly find comments with thanks! Regards/Wangari [kictanet] Day 2(a) of 3: 2016 ICT Year inReview Feedback - Human Capital Feedback WalubengoJ via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> To wangarikabiru(a)yahoo.co.ukCC Walubengo J 29 Nov at12:48 PM Thanx Barrack, Looks like Day1 had littlereaction/comments. Feel free to belatedly post on Policy, Legal/ Regulatory mattersbut just keep the correct subject line. Today we to move to Day2a (HumanCapital feedback) and Day 2b (Infrastructure feedback to be sent in next email) Summary feedback on Human Capital wasas follows with detailed document attached. a) 41% of the respondents felt that the government hadprovided sufficient ICT opportunities for the youth to a moderate extent. 30%however felt youth opportunities had not been effectively provided, while 27%felt it had been done to a large extent. How far is this the mandate of the Government? - ICT Labour force projections; then building capacity backwards Some areas that may betapped into;- Private sector in capacity building of their staff- Personal initiatives to advance in ICT skills- Community resource centresb) 58% of therespondents felt that the DLP (Laptop Project) will have a positive impact to avery large extent. 30% felt it would be a moderate impact while 12% think itwill have little or no impact. There is a lot of positiveness - Keeping in mind that the laptop is not the education and that learnershave different abilitiesc) 40% of therespondents felt that tertiary institutions were, to a moderate extentproviding the requisite skill set for the ICT industry. 34% felt they were to alarge extent providing these skills while 24% felt they were not.ICT skills to many is still at the word, excel tutorials – so as to handin typed out assignments- The tertiary institutions should be able to lift the level of learningfor all learners beyond thisd) 40% of therespondents felt that Konza City will have a positive impact to a very largeextent. 21% felt it will be a moderate impact while 25% think it will have noimpact.- Replicationacross the country- Lift one to theremote areas of Kenya; open up- CountyGovernment can take on such as their own long term initiative; investoropportunities, local jobse) Providegeneral ICT literacy programmes to the public, Coding as a skill to allstudents – irrespective of discipline, Continuity in government offices (ratherthan sabotage of previous holder initiatives), Improve Academia-Government-Industry linkages, Cryptography training, Identify and supportTechnology Universities, Promote Incubation Center, Have mechanisms to weed outICT quacks, Provide ICT scholarships, Standardize ICT Trainings, Digitizationof key services - police occurrence books, land registries should be availed tothe youth.Toa maoni (let hear your reactions) walu. --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".

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The Ups and Downs of Social Media
by Mildred Achoch 30 Nov '16

30 Nov '16

Hi all, This may be of interest: http://kenyainsights.com/take-a-loan-youll-need-it-ntvs-larry-madowo-facing… Regards, Mildred Achoch. Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com

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Re: [kictanet] Day 3 of 3: 2016 ICT Year in Review Feedback - Information Infrastructure Issues
by Wambui Wambui 30 Nov '16

30 Nov '16

Sorry for the cross-post but figured it will may make life easier for those compiling. Here are some thoughts on information infrastructure: *a) 86% of the respondents felt that government digitization (Huduma Centers, eCitizen portal, etc) program has been useful to a very large extent. 12% felt it was moderately useful with a very small minority1.5 thinking it has not been useful.* Comment: Digitizing operation has been a great idea. But is it widespread and consistently applied? E.g. getting an abstract at a police station means paying a certain fee for the photocopy usually available at the station’s kiosk. Yet if I go to Huduma Centre, I should get it at no fee and it’s a downloadable form. If I need to get the abstract over the weekend, I’ll pay for the photocopy at the station, yet I could have gotten it for free at a Huduma Centre. Government should therefore also invest in awareness programs that inform citizens about the digitizing of services, how to get them, what to expect etc. This can be done to grassroots level, and should include creative people like the Nakuru chief who tweets to residents in his location. Stability of the digitized systems should be guaranteed. ID replacement services recently had been shut down for several weeks at Huduma Centres because the system was down. I was told that that wasn’t the first time, and the system has even gone almost a month without working. *b) 48% of the respondents felt that the digitization of government operations has gone to the other sectors to a moderate extent. 30% felt this cross-sector absorption of ICTs has not really happened while 10% feel it has to a very large extent.* Comment: Same thought as presented in a). *c) 52% of the respondents felt that the local content industry has NOT been well supported. 34% felt it has been moderately supported while only 8% felt it has been supported to a very large extent.* Comment: I agree that the local content industry is not well supported. At my university for example, I have many students bubbling with ideas for online content such as shows, blogs, information hubs, etc. But they’re afraid their ideas will be stolen if they ask for advice, they wonder what resources – financial or other – they will need, and sometimes they don’t know where to start. Content also is often the target of existing and proposed law, and even when it is encouraged (such as the CAK’s call for more local content on TV), it often seems to be most vulnerable to overzealous and sensitive authorities. The proposed Film Bill and pressures on bloggers come to mind. I think support should come from a variety of sources: government can provide a regulatory and policy environment that not only supports, but encourages the development of local content; government can partner with industry, academia and communities to raise awareness about local content, create opportunities for it, and enable creators to protect their intellectual work while getting paid for it. *d) 70% of the respondents felt that the issue of information security has not been adequately addressed. 25% thought it had been moderately addressed while only 4% felt it had been addressed to a very large extent.* Comment: I agree that information security is a weak point. I have questions about whether any of the digital information on our systems is well protected, whether it is sold to the highest bidder, who is watching what, etc. I have no solutions, but regulatory authorities and whoever else is concerned should consider that this is not just a technical issue, but one about trust. People may choose to do certain things on digital platforms, or to keep off, based on how much they trust the systems. d) The following were mentioned as key info-infrastructure interventions that have not been addressed/misaddressed: *Misguided/aggressive e-Content regulation maybe counter-productive to local content industry. Security surveillance without Data Protection Act is counter-productive. The Government Shared Service concept still not effective, particularly at County levels. Expand eGov Services to be accessible thro USSD, Improve the user-interface on most Government websites, enhance cyber security and offer public awareness programs on the same. * Comment: Let more digitization services start from the grassroots up, not from the top down. The tweeting chief in Nakuru offers an example of how a digital tool (Twitter) can be used to reach a large number of people (in his case, via sms) to address local challenges and provide information about local matters. On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:31 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > My bad, > > I had the wrong the subject line - now refreshed. Body message + > attachments remains the same. > > walu. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > *To:* jwalu(a)yahoo.com > *Cc:* Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:23 AM > *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Day 2(a) of 3: 2016 ICT Year in Review Feedback > - Human Capital Feedback > > Thanx Bomu, Wangari, Rop, Barrack, Wambui and others for your > reactions...the floor is actually open for belated reactions on previous > thematic areas, just keep the subject line in context. > > Today we share the feedback on the last thematic area :- Information > Infrastructure as given below. > > > *a) 86% of the respondents felt that government digitization (Huduma > Centers, eCitizen portal, etc) program has been useful to a very large > extent. 12% felt it was moderately useful with a very small minority1.5 > thinking it has not been useful.* > *b) 48% of the respondents felt that the digitization of government > operations has gone to the other sectors to a moderate extent. 30% felt > this cross-sector absorption of ICTs has not really happened while 10% feel > it has to a very large extent.* > *c) 52% of the respondents felt that the local content industry has NOT > been well supported. 34% felt it has been moderately supported while only > 8% felt it has been supported to a very large extent.* > *d) 70% of the respondents felt that the issue of information security has > not been adequately addressed. 25% thought it had been moderately addressed > while only 4% felt it had been addressed to a very large extent.* > d) The following were mentioned as key info-infrastructure interventions > that have not been addressed/misaddressed: > > *Misguided/aggressive e-Content regulation maybe counter-productive to > local content industry. Security surveillance without Data Protection Act > is counter-productive. The Government Shared Service concept still not > effective, particularly at County levels. Expand eGov Services to be > accessible thro USSD, Improve the user-interface on most Government > websites, enhance cyber security and offer public awareness programs on the > same. * > The detailed report is attached and we have until tomorrow mid-day to > close this up. > > best regards. > > walu. > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ > mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >

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