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Commonwealth Internet Governance Forum Travel bursaries for the 4th IGF
by alice 14 Sep '09

14 Sep '09

Dear all, Find attached information about the Commonwealth travel bursaries for the 4th IGF. best Alice -------- Original Message -------- Details of the Commonwealth IGF and travel bursaries are attached for your information and can be found online on: www.commonwealthigf.org <http://www.commonwealthigf.org/> We would be grateful if you could disseminate the information through your networks.

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Bill Kagai 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Alex, Robert is apparently well known following emails I received from highly reputable people in the Human Rights sector where he last attacked. Through a bdix.net mailing list. You have opted to keep quiet about this. If you continue protecting his identity and he remains a member of your organisation, you ought to be ACCOUNTABLE as the chairman and let him face the full wrath of his RESPONSIBILITY. Otherwise, you are an accomplice. Don't mix the sad issue of Defamation today with Consumer Rights. I also want cheap internet. Also take heed, I do not represent Michael Joseph or any other person who faced attacks from Robert but I took responsibility to unearth the culprit as a proud Kenyan who is not ready to see one soul drive us into a destructive path. Unless you become bold and expose him, I am sorry I do not have anything good to say about you too and your organisation. Actually, I do not know what am doing in this list any more. Good bye....ALL. I can certainly get better things to do..... Bill On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Bill, > > "The trouble with being in the rat race is that even if you win, > you're still a rat."- Lily Tomlin. > I shall steer clear of the lowly races. > > inline responses, > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Alex, >> Don't beat around the bush. > > Bill = Impunity? Let's see.... > > But if you wish; > > 1) find out from your Safaricom friend where I was all day today. Ask > them for my mobile phone user location tracking and the days calls and > messages log to verify that indeed I had my handset on me all day. You > are aware that they all have all this huge amount of data(SMS, calls, > location, transaction, whom we call, when, conversation details etc ) > on all of our communications on their servers, right? We do not ask > for Data Protection bill aimlessly. > > 2) Indulge your investigations skills more- e.g. ask my neighbours if > I was at the location given unto you. > > 3) Go to Kenya Power and Lighting Company and ask them for their power > rationing program for today. And confirm whether indeed my location > had an outage. > > 4) I spoke with several respected senior personalities today who > needed data and information. Without power, I regretted, I could not > send them via emails. I am ready to give you their numbers for you to > confirm if indeed I told them so. > >> 1. Have you met Onyango Hatari in person?? >> 2. Do you have his contacts?? >> 3. Are you Onyango Hatari?? >> >> Call me....0724226600 we discuss this matter. We need to straighten >> this matter!!!! > > I shall not qualify or dignify your allegations with an honourable response. > > @Journalist: Anne-Marie Kinyanjui (and despite your disclaimer): > > Are you are qualified to advice us on consumer advocacy and > telecommunications investments? You wrote me an email asking for me > for data. What did you really want it for? > Whom does a journalist write for? See for "professional journalist" > here <http://tinyurl.com/john-pilger-video> > > I can send to kictanet the KBC and NTV News clips of the same Michael > Joseph interview, then all you can understand what I mean. Moderator > let me know I can do that? (~10MB). > > ---------- > Finally, > > My data-based analysis remains valid, until and unless Safaricom's > Michael Joseph offers verifiable proof on the contrary. Internet > prices have to come down, immediately! > > regards, > > Alex > >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Gakuru Alex >> <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Bill, your remark as it stands right here borders on something already >>> illegal.... Please take note. >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Ladies and Gentlemen, >>>> >>>> We are missing the point here. Clearly, 'Onyango Hatari' does not >>>> exist and is just a pseudonym for someone we know quite well on this >>>> list who prefers to spew hatred using a different email address. This >>>> matter in no longer on 'consumers' rights'. >>>> >>>> I would encourage Michael Joseph to report to the nearest police >>>> station for investigations to commence with a view of suing for libel >>>> because this is clear defamation. The Chairman of the ICT Consumers >>>> Association should be one of the respondents 'to assist police with >>>> investigations' since he seems to be the only one who knows the true >>>> identity of one Onyango Hatari. Or is there anyone in this list who >>>> has actually interacted with Onyango Hatari??? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bildad Kagai >>>> MD - MediaCorp Limited >>>> Nairobi Stock Exchange Authorised Information Vendor >>>> Suite B2, Tetu Court, State House Avenue >>>> P. O. Box 20311 - 00200 >>>> Nairobi, Kenya >>>> Tel. 254 20 272 8332 >>>> Fax. Rendered Obsolete >>>> S - 1°17'13.8" >>>> E - 36°48'22.7" >>>> www.mediacorp.co.ke >>>> --

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Kenya's ICT Policy development process
by Vanessa Malila 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Was hoping someone might be able to help. I am a PhD student at the University of Leeds doing my research on the ICT policy development process in Kenya - looking specifically at the role of the media and multi-stakeholder processes in the development of the 2006 National ICT Policy. I have been looking online for a copy of the draft ICT policy which was released in October 2004, but have not been able to find anything. Can anyone send me a copy or point me in the direction of where I could find one - if it is available electronically? I would really appreciate your feedback or help in this regard. Cheers, Vanessa Malila --------------------------------------------- Vanessa Malila PhD Student Institute of Communication Studies University of Leeds

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East African Fiber Summit
by aki 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Good morning, I'm a techie and a regular contributor on skunkslist. I'd like to add some contributions. Any views below are personal and not meant to cause any negative actions etc.. :-) I received an email attachment on the above subject detailing the program of the event. Though I'm not in a position to attend, I wanted to share my thoughts. After reviewing it, the program does not seem to hold much on what and where fiber should be heading in kenya. The program seems to revolve around a concept " when fiber arrives ". There are many excellent contributors on the program list and I hope that the summit will take things to much higher levels of discussion and focus on progress development through commitments. As I mentioned in my earlier contributions on other lists, Kdn and Safaricom ( including Onecom ) made history on July 27th. Safaricom took it further by holding event meetings for cyber owners outside Nairobi while Kdn was also able to push seacom packets all the way to the ugandan border. The summit should, in my view, present the strategies and solutions on offer based on techology, expansion and deployment of the fiber Nationally and across the border. This also brings me to my second point of contribution : TATA and Point of Presence in kenya : I was quite glad when recently TATA announced that they would be putting up a POP in kenya for tiered services. To have this pop in kenya was quite an important achievement and goes to show that Fiber will make Kenya a communications regional hub for the region. However, it has recently announced that TATA have gone with Access Kenya on this development. While I have nothing against any service provider or in this case Access Kenya, I believe that TATA have have made a disappointing start on the POP. As far as I know, Access Kenya does not at the moment represent itself as a National Operator nor does its services spread nationally nor across the border into Uganda or Rwanda. I'd have thought that TATA would be considering KDN, TKL or even Safaricom ( Onecom ) for its POP. I hope in future POP operators do realise the impact of their decisions. Corrections are welcome. Rgds.

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Solomon Mburu 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Alex, Mistakes are made in ideas, but that does not mean I have not dome my research well. I think I should have said, Bill, stay on in fighting for the battle of empowering the internet users of their rights. By this, I do not mean he (Bill) is the only person who does that. We are all doing it in our own capacities! Thanks 2009/9/10 Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> > Solomon, > > It would really help everyone if you did your background research a > little more before commenting on some issues. > > Thanks, > > Alex > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Bill, > > > > Stay on and fight for what you want while in the 'system.' If you pull > > out, you;ll have lost the battle of internet rights and users! > > > > > > > > On 10/09/2009, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Bill, > >> > >> Leaving the list is not the solution....in my view there is more good > than > >> bad. > >> > >> N > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> > >> To: elizaslider(a)yahoo.com > >> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; KICTAnet ICT Policy > Discussions > >> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:57:39 PM > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > >> > >> Alex, > >> Robert is apparently well known following emails I received from > >> highly reputable people in the Human Rights sector where he last > >> attacked. Through a bdix.net mailing list. You have opted to keep > >> quiet about this. > >> > >> If you continue protecting his identity and he remains a member of > >> your organisation, you ought to be ACCOUNTABLE as the chairman and let > >> him face the full wrath of his RESPONSIBILITY. Otherwise, you are an > >> accomplice. > >> > >> Don't mix the sad issue of Defamation today with Consumer Rights. I > >> also want cheap internet. > >> > >> Also take heed, I do not represent Michael Joseph or any other person > >> who faced attacks from Robert but I took responsibility to unearth the > >> culprit as a proud Kenyan who is not ready to see one soul drive us > >> into a destructive path. > >> > >> Unless you become bold and expose him, I am sorry I do not have > >> anything good to say about you too and your organisation. Actually, I > >> do not know what am doing in this list any more. > >> > >> Good bye....ALL. I can certainly get better things to do..... > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Gakuru Alex < > alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> Bill, > >>> > >>> "The trouble with being in the rat race is that even if you win, > >>> you're still a rat."- Lily Tomlin. > >>> I shall steer clear of the lowly races. > >>> > >>> inline responses, > >>> > >>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> Alex, > >>>> Don't beat around the bush. > >>> > >>> Bill = Impunity? Let's see.... > >>> > >>> But if you wish; > >>> > >>> 1) find out from your Safaricom friend where I was all day today. Ask > >>> them for my mobile phone user location tracking and the days calls and > >>> messages log to verify that indeed I had my handset on me all day. You > >>> are aware that they all have all this huge amount of data(SMS, calls, > >>> location, transaction, whom we call, when, conversation details etc ) > >>> on all of our communications on their servers, right? We do not ask > >>> for Data Protection bill aimlessly. > >>> > >>> 2) Indulge your investigations skills more- e.g. ask my neighbours if > >>> I was at the location given unto you. > >>> > >>> 3) Go to Kenya Power and Lighting Company and ask them for their power > >>> rationing program for today. And confirm whether indeed my location > >>> had an outage. > >>> > >>> 4) I spoke with several respected senior personalities today who > >>> needed data and information. Without power, I regretted, I could not > >>> send them via emails. I am ready to give you their numbers for you to > >>> confirm if indeed I told them so. > >>> > >>>> 1. Have you met Onyango Hatari in person?? > >>>> 2. Do you have his contacts?? > >>>> 3. Are you Onyango Hatari?? > >>>> > >>>> Call me....0724226600 we discuss this matter. We need to straighten > >>>> this matter!!!! > >>> > >>> I shall not qualify or dignify your allegations with an honourable > >>> response. > >>> > >>> @Journalist: Anne-Marie Kinyanjui (and despite your disclaimer): > >>> > >>> Are you are qualified to advice us on consumer advocacy and > >>> telecommunications investments? You wrote me an email asking for me > >>> for data. What did you really want it for? > >>> Whom does a journalist write for? See for "professional journalist" > >>> here <http://tinyurl.com/john-pilger-video> > >>> > >>> I can send to kictanet the KBC and NTV News clips of the same Michael > >>> Joseph interview, then all you can understand what I mean. Moderator > >>> let me know I can do that? (~10MB). > >>> > >>> ---------- > >>> Finally, > >>> > >>> My data-based analysis remains valid, until and unless Safaricom's > >>> Michael Joseph offers verifiable proof on the contrary. Internet > >>> prices have to come down, immediately! > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> > >>> Alex > >>> > >>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Gakuru Alex > >>>> <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> Bill, your remark as it stands right here borders on something > already > >>>>> illegal.... Please take note. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> Ladies and Gentlemen, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We are missing the point here. Clearly, 'Onyango Hatari' does not > >>>>>> exist and is just a pseudonym for someone we know quite well on this > >>>>>> list who prefers to spew hatred using a different email address. > This > >>>>>> matter in no longer on 'consumers' rights'. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I would encourage Michael Joseph to report to the nearest police > >>>>>> station for investigations to commence with a view of suing for > libel > >>>>>> because this is clear defamation. The Chairman of the ICT Consumers > >>>>>> Association should be one of the respondents 'to assist police with > >>>>>> investigations' since he seems to be the only one who knows the true > >>>>>> identity of one Onyango Hatari. Or is there anyone in this list who > >>>>>> has actually interacted with Onyango Hatari??? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Bildad Kagai > >>>>>> MD - MediaCorp Limited > >>>>>> Nairobi Stock Exchange Authorised Information Vendor > >>>>>> Suite B2, Tetu Court, State House Avenue > >>>>>> P. O. Box 20311 - 00200 > >>>>>> Nairobi, Kenya > >>>>>> Tel. 254 20 272 8332 > >>>>>> Fax. Rendered Obsolete > >>>>>> S - 1°17'13.8" > >>>>>> E - 36°48'22.7" > >>>>>> www.mediacorp.co.ke > >>>>>> -- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> kictanet mailing list > >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >> > >> This message was sent to: elizaslider(a)yahoo.com > >> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/elizaslider%40yahoo.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Solomon Mburu > > P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi > > Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 > > > > Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all > > the same way to the side of a hill! > > > > AND > > > > It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous > generosity! > > > > > > blog: http://desires-and-dreams.blogspot.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ke-internetusers mailing list > > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > > > -- Solomon Mburu P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill! AND It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity! blog: http://desires-and-dreams.blogspot.com Sent from Nairobi, Kenya

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Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Gakuru Alex 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

<http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/410/16/39787.html>

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Re: [kictanet] The Way Forward...my 2 bob... WAS: Re: Invitation: 2009 EA-IGF, 7-9 September 2009, Nairobi, Kenya
by Douglas Onyango 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

> well, if the goal is to harmonise, why not have a regional > one from > the beginning, developed in a MSH fashion. Countries > can accept or > reject and negotiate according to their own agendas. We want to follow the bottom up approach, so it is imperative that countries come with their views to the table. > ?? I don't WANT to leave it to politicians alone ;-) No McTim, i don't - i am just reiterating that untill we have proper ground to form a working group/mailing list etc we can hang in there; I used the Politicians to present a group that is good-to-go Regards, Douglas Onyango +256(0712)981329 If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the Problem. --- On Wed, 9/9/09, McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com> wrote: > From: McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Way Forward...my 2 bob... WAS: Re: Invitation: 2009 EA-IGF, 7-9 September 2009, Nairobi, Kenya > To: "Douglas Onyango" <ondouglas(a)yahoo.com> > Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:44 AM > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:32 AM, > Douglas Onyango<ondouglas(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > McTim, > > I am with you on this. > > > > But i wish to point out that the issue of interest > groups is rather tricky > > to implement at an EA level at the moment. > > Rationale: Countries are still developing their > national positions on > > various issues and asking them to debate this at a > regional level would be > > rather premature. > > well, if the goal is to harmonise, why not have a regional > one from > the beginning, developed in a MSH fashion. Countries > can accept or > reject and negotiate according to their own agendas. > > > > > On the flip side of the coin, i think the parts of > EA that has issues they > > can deliberate on like the Parilamentarians are > already convenig this > > afternoon - so on this front your concern is being > addressed. > > ?? I don't WANT to leave it to politicians alone ;-) > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where > it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >

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Alex - Expose Robert
by Bill Kagai 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Alex, To protect the reputation of Kenya Internet Consumers Association, don't let Robert hide under your organisation. I do not think you are in cahoots. Expose him, we sink him. --- Bill

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Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by eunicekariuki＠ict.go.ke 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

You don't fool me one bit! Sorry Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: Theus Owicho <owichot(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:12:54 To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices Eunice I always dont involve myself in fights over the internet so if you really want to engage me call me for coffee and lets sort it out. I have much to live for and many to give and internet aquintances and fights are just not for me. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM, <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> wrote: > Sorry Owicho or whoever you are but the language and tone of this email > suggests that you are 'Onyango'. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > > ------------------------------ > *From*: Theus Owicho > *Date*: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:44:30 +0300 > *To*: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> > *Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high > internet prices > Guys > > there are things which doesn't warrant any comment because you might think > that you are containing the "Onyango" kumbe you are making him famous. This > guy is now a silent martyr to many here. If you don't like it, just don't > respond > > Response and counter attacks on mailings lists will never contain the > aggressors. They become bolder because people are listening and we have seen > them attack on regard to expiry of Bundles in Safcom and the expiry was > extended. > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> On 10/09/2009, eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> wrote: >> > Hahaaaa! How funny. >> > >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> > >> > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:49:33 >> > To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> > Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> > ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> prices >> > >> > >> > We dont need KICTANET to tell Kenyans that Eunice is using bellow the >> belt >> > to award favours. What is the number os users in KICTANET? Be serious. >> We >> > dont need KICTANET for this to be known >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> >> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:44:02 +0000 >> >> To: onyango(a)inbox.com >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >> prices >> >> >> >> You have missed the whole point as expected!! >> >> >> >> And sorry I will not give you the pleasure of being drawn into the >> level >> >> of arguing nor engage you as I know there will only be disgrace to be >> >> gained. >> >> >> >> I certainly feel sorry for you and hope you hope someone can help you >> >> soon. >> >> Pole sana. >> >> >> >> As for kictanet, this very juvenile language/ communication and level >> of >> >> thinking or interpreting matters of national importance is an >> >> embarrassment to the country, given the subscription nos. >> >> The real debate should be how to streamline debates so that they are of >> >> high quality! Alice, Walu over to you. >> >> >> >> Ek >> >> >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:28:01 >> >> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> >> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> >> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >> prices >> >> >> >> >> >> Eunice >> >> >> >> The debate is personalised because the stakeholders are personalising >> >> everything >> >> >> >> Dont say that the first priority of Michael JOseph is to teh >> shareholder >> >> while am a shareholder and priority is definitely not on me nor the >> >> majority who boycotted the AGM because of Michael Josephs arrogance. >> >> >> >> And now you bring Ringera issue into ICT matters. Wako was very wrong >> >> like he has been. There is no way a court ruling can bind the Kenyan >> >> parliament. There is separation of powers and thank God you will be >> >> excused because you are a marketer and seems to have very minute >> >> knowledge on law. The fact that you bring Ringera issues is suspect >> >> because first you have used the same bad laws to hinder people from >> >> accessing ICT Board and when access has been imminent you have tried to >> >> force peopel to have sex with you so that they get favours from ICT >> >> Board. Dont try to act like an angel. We know what you are doing. >> >> >> >> How do you expect people to be objective while you at ICT Board have >> not >> >> been objective nor fair to anyone. >> >> >> >> Be serious. Stop kidding us. >> >> >> >> OH >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> >>> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:11:06 +0000 >> >>> To: onyango(a)inbox.com >> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >>> prices >> >>> >> >>> This debate is so personalised that I can't help to wonder where the >> >>> 'policy advocacy' aspect of kictanet forum is! By focusing on MJ and >> not >> >>> Safaricom you make him more powerful! Yet he is just the CEO and for >> now >> >>> its spokesperson. >> >>> >> >>> We shall do well , very well when we stop being so emotional and >> >>> personal >> >>> on matters of ICT at whatever level. >> >>> >> >>> Any other way leaves Desai and sour, may be even bad taste in the >> mouths >> >>> of those we appeal to do xyz for the industry. >> >>> >> >>> Their(michael and others in similar positions of economic influence) >> >>> first priority is to their shareholders; Recall the way Wako >> arrogantly >> >>> but correctly advised parliament on the Ringera issue? That they can >> >>> only >> >>> request or express opinions and hope they will be considered by law >> >>> interpreters(courts). Tough pill to swallow on an issue such the >> Ringera >> >>> one but wako says only the court can interpret law. >> >>> >> >>> In the case of this forum, we should consider putting across our >> policy >> >>> requests, opinions, views, suggestions in sober, objective and above >> >>> board manner! >> >>> Any other way will yield nothing, unless you take off from internet to >> >>> the streets to protest or get commissions to be appointed to make >> >>> recommendations (at your tax cost) which may never be implemented any >> >>> way. >> >>> >> >>> Ek >> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> >>> >> >>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:44:03 >> >>> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> >>> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> >>> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >>> prices >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >>> kictanet mailing list >> >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >>> >> >>> This message was sent to: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >>> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eunicekariuki%40ict.go… >> >>> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >>> kictanet mailing list >> >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >>> >> >>> This message was sent to: onyango(a)inbox.com >> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >>> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/onyango%40inbox.com >> > >> >____________________________________________________________ >> > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! >> > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! >> >_______________________________________________ >> > kictanet mailing list >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> > >> > This message was sent to: solo.mburu(a)gmail.com >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/solo.mburu%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Solomon Mburu >> P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi >> Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 >> >> Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all >> the same way to the side of a hill! >> >> AND >> >> It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous >> generosity! >>_______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > >

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Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by eunicekariuki＠ict.go.ke 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Sorry Owicho or whoever you are but the language and tone of this email suggests that you are 'Onyango'. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: Theus Owicho <owichot(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:44:30 To: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> Cc: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke>; ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices Guys there are things which doesn't warrant any comment because you might think that you are containing the "Onyango" kumbe you are making him famous. This guy is now a silent martyr to many here. If you don't like it, just don't respond Response and counter attacks on mailings lists will never contain the aggressors. They become bolder because people are listening and we have seen them attack on regard to expiry of Bundles in Safcom and the expiry was extended. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 10/09/2009, eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> wrote: > > Hahaaaa! How funny. > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:49:33 > > To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> > > Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; > > ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > > > > > > We dont need KICTANET to tell Kenyans that Eunice is using bellow the > belt > > to award favours. What is the number os users in KICTANET? Be serious. We > > dont need KICTANET for this to be known > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > >> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:44:02 +0000 > >> To: onyango(a)inbox.com > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > >> prices > >> > >> You have missed the whole point as expected!! > >> > >> And sorry I will not give you the pleasure of being drawn into the level > >> of arguing nor engage you as I know there will only be disgrace to be > >> gained. > >> > >> I certainly feel sorry for you and hope you hope someone can help you > >> soon. > >> Pole sana. > >> > >> As for kictanet, this very juvenile language/ communication and level of > >> thinking or interpreting matters of national importance is an > >> embarrassment to the country, given the subscription nos. > >> The real debate should be how to streamline debates so that they are of > >> high quality! Alice, Walu over to you. > >> > >> Ek > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > >> > >> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:28:01 > >> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> > >> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; > >> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > >> prices > >> > >> > >> Eunice > >> > >> The debate is personalised because the stakeholders are personalising > >> everything > >> > >> Dont say that the first priority of Michael JOseph is to teh shareholder > >> while am a shareholder and priority is definitely not on me nor the > >> majority who boycotted the AGM because of Michael Josephs arrogance. > >> > >> And now you bring Ringera issue into ICT matters. Wako was very wrong > >> like he has been. There is no way a court ruling can bind the Kenyan > >> parliament. There is separation of powers and thank God you will be > >> excused because you are a marketer and seems to have very minute > >> knowledge on law. The fact that you bring Ringera issues is suspect > >> because first you have used the same bad laws to hinder people from > >> accessing ICT Board and when access has been imminent you have tried to > >> force peopel to have sex with you so that they get favours from ICT > >> Board. Dont try to act like an angel. We know what you are doing. > >> > >> How do you expect people to be objective while you at ICT Board have not > >> been objective nor fair to anyone. > >> > >> Be serious. Stop kidding us. > >> > >> OH > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > >>> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:11:06 +0000 > >>> To: onyango(a)inbox.com > >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > >>> prices > >>> > >>> This debate is so personalised that I can't help to wonder where the > >>> 'policy advocacy' aspect of kictanet forum is! By focusing on MJ and > not > >>> Safaricom you make him more powerful! Yet he is just the CEO and for > now > >>> its spokesperson. > >>> > >>> We shall do well , very well when we stop being so emotional and > >>> personal > >>> on matters of ICT at whatever level. > >>> > >>> Any other way leaves Desai and sour, may be even bad taste in the > mouths > >>> of those we appeal to do xyz for the industry. > >>> > >>> Their(michael and others in similar positions of economic influence) > >>> first priority is to their shareholders; Recall the way Wako > arrogantly > >>> but correctly advised parliament on the Ringera issue? That they can > >>> only > >>> request or express opinions and hope they will be considered by law > >>> interpreters(courts). Tough pill to swallow on an issue such the > Ringera > >>> one but wako says only the court can interpret law. > >>> > >>> In the case of this forum, we should consider putting across our policy > >>> requests, opinions, views, suggestions in sober, objective and above > >>> board manner! > >>> Any other way will yield nothing, unless you take off from internet to > >>> the streets to protest or get commissions to be appointed to make > >>> recommendations (at your tax cost) which may never be implemented any > >>> way. > >>> > >>> Ek > >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > >>> > >>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:44:03 > >>> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> > >>> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; > >>> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > >>> prices > >>> > >>> > >> >_______________________________________________ > >>> kictanet mailing list > >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >>> > >>> This message was sent to: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eunicekariuki%40ict.go… > >>> > >> >_______________________________________________ > >>> kictanet mailing list > >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >>> > >>> This message was sent to: onyango(a)inbox.com > >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/onyango%40inbox.com > > > >____________________________________________________________ > > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! > > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! > >_______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: solo.mburu(a)gmail.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/solo.mburu%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Solomon Mburu > P.O. 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