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Re: [kictanet] Econet Haters.... :-D
by John Maina 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

Wachington Please admonish people like Brian also equally ndugu. I have nothing personal against anybody in KICTANET. And know that baring anybody from the list wont solve the problem. Some of us have been in the listserve business long enough and we really respect all of you including Alice, John and others but please know that killing the messenger wont help. You can moderate my messages but the messsage will get through since its very easy to open a new email address each time and send the message. Lets all respect each other but Dr Ndemo shoul come clean JM ----- Original Message ---- From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> To: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Cc: Gilda Odera <gildaodera(a)gmail.com>; Caroline Kekobi <caroline(a)kekobi.or.ke>; Jorum <odiemo(a)gmail.com>; Thomas A. Senaji <tasenaji(a)gmail.com>; Mark Matunga-Microsoft <mmatunga(a)microsoft.com>; amosoba(a)ict.go.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; joseph james <jjngatia(a)gmail.com>; Matunda Nyanchama <matunda(a)matunda.org> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 6:01:07 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Econet Haters.... :-D On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 5:16 PM, John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> wrote: > Did we expect something different? Utoto and we know that is why you can > rhyme with your ilk much. This doesn't sound like professionals speaking. So let this thread R.I.P. One day, the "dead shall tell tales". For sure. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post

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Fw: PS Ndemo and Econet scandal...
by John Maina 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

----- Forwarded Message ---- From: "mwananchi(a)hushmail.com" <mwananchi(a)hushmail.com> To: j.maina(a)ymail.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 7:47:34 AM Subject: PS Ndemo and Econet scandal... John, Interesting discussion on Kictanet, perhaps one should have warned you before hand that Kictanet is laden with vested interests who will gladly forego accountability and transparency as long as they themselves benefit or will benefit from Ndemo's rewards for singing his praises and not holding him to account as the public servant he is. Certainly he has done some good things for the country but he has also enabled the commission of monumentally bad matters. Whenever truth is told, hardcore supporters of Ndemo led by one Brian Longwe (who has interestingly benefited in several ways since Ndemo took office) predictably rush to chant "smear", "smear" in an attempt to obfuscate the truth. God forbid should Longwe ever be appointed to public office for that will mark the improper entrance of an individual who believes that accountability and transparency have no room and should exist in Kenya. You may use the below as you deem fit, the truth needs to be told: ---- If Ndemo is so innocent why doesn't he invite the CID, KACC, the Attorney General's office and any other co-operating law enforcement agencies such as the UK's Serious Fraud Office and independent anti- corruption agencies to investigate the issue while inviting the public to forward any evidence they might have of misconduct, law breaking and corruption to the relevant agencies. Perhaps instead of Brian trying to pull wool over wananchis eyes, he could suggest this solution to the PS to help bring these matters to a logical conclusion once and for all. Facts do not lie, naysayers loudly declaring their unwavering and blind support should present hard exonerating facts that rubbish the tip of the iceberg below or continue in their rather misguided act of aiding and cheering on the commission of corrupt and economic crimes against the nation. The below are just the surface of the scam that the PS has worked tirelessly to keep from public view. Fact 1: Econet sought a gag order against its former Chief Financial Officer, Mwaura Njiri, a Kenyan, who forced by his conscience resigned when Econet sought to force him to sign a falsified affidavit that was aimed at defrauding KNFC of their legitimate shareholding in Econet Wireless Kenya. In attempting to do so Econet filed the following case: CASE NO 05/12059 IN THE HIGH COURT OF SOUTH AFRICA (Witwatersrand Local Division) Econet Wireless International Limited - 1st Applicant Econet Wireless Kenya Limited - 2nd Applicant Econet Wireless Ventures Limited - 3rd Applicant v Njiri, Elizaphanson Mwaura - Respondent Entire Econet Court Filing: http://rapidshare.com/files/152242137/EconetSA.pdf Respondent Njiri's Entire Court Filing response to Econet lawsuit: http://rapidshare.com/files/152242138/NjiriSA.pdf 5. Re Paragraph 7 "I have no knowledge whether the First Applicant is a subsidiary of the Third Applicant. I do not know when the "group" was founded, but I deny that it a leading telecommunications operator in Africa." 6. Re Paragraph 8 "I admit my citation and place of residence. I was employed by the First Applicant as Chief Financial Officer and also Head of Corporate Finance Development from July 2000 until 26th October 2004 when I resigned, largely due to the deterioration in my relationship with the First Applicant and Wazara. I admit that I played a central role in establishing the Second Applicant for purposes of the said tender." http://rapidshare.com/files/152242138/NjiriSA.pdf Fact 2: Mwaura Njiri under penalty of perjury unequivocally and in his position as CFO stated the following regarding Econet's finances. This is a damning indictment of the regulator for abandoning its fiduciary duties to the Kenyan public by failing to eliminate the licensee at the pre-qualification stage, thus the licensee was licenced contrary to the tender rules considering their true and correct balance sheets did not show a healthy turnover of over US$100m. The secret of the hundreds of millions of dollars in turnover is a story well told only that it neglected to mention that those were worthless Zimbabwean dollars: "17.1 The First Applicant's balance sheet at that point in time was so bad that it was unable to obtain funds from any bank;" http://rapidshare.com/files/152242138/NjiriSA.pdf Deloitte and Touche, Audited Financials of Econet Wireless Limited, the only Econet company that could have claimed to their long lost "Nigerian" operations that never were showing a mere turnover of $8m at the time of licencing in 2003 when it was necessary to show a consortium turnover of $100m which obviously the now insolvent KNFC did not have: http://rapidshare.com/files/152242139/Financials.pdf Fact 3: Mwaura Njiri, Econet CFO since its early days, under penalty of perjury admits the Econet licence was cancelled by the Minister for Information and Communications despite his best efforts to prevent cancellation: "32. Re Paragraphs 43 I admit the allegations contained herein and point out that when this eventuated Masiyiwa then requested me to assist the First Applicant by returning to Kenya and endeavouring to assist the Applicants by requesting the Minister and the Kenyan authorities not to cancel the licence.I agreed to so assist the First Applicant which then provided me with the necessary air ticket to enable me to travel to Nairobi together with the said Wazara for this purpose.While I tried my best to so assist the First Applicant I was unsuccessful in this regard." http://rapidshare.com/files/152242138/NjiriSA.pdf Fact 4: KNFC was essentially bankrupt or near bankruptcy at the time of licensing culminating in KNFC being declared financially insolvent in 2006. Once again the regulator abandoned its fiduciary duties by deliberately allowing parties who could not pay licence fees as proscribed by the tender rules to be licenced contrary to public procurement regulations. "The Minister for Co-operative Development Njeru Ndwiga yesterday confirmed that the Federation, which was said to have owned as much as 80 per cent of Econet’s bid for the their mobile licence, cannot meet its financial obligations. The union is indebted to the tune of Sh40 million against an asset base of Sh25 million. The minister said the cash-strapped Federation cannot honour its financial obligations that include Sh1.3 million in salary arrears, a Sh10 million loan from the Co-operative Bank, Sh5.6 million in statutory deductions and Sh800,000 in lawyers’ fees" - The Standard 29/6/2005 " KNFC has liabilities in excess of 64 million shillings against a total asset value of 20 million shillings." - 21/1/2006 http://www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=34599 Fact 5: The Chief legal representative of the Government of Kenya is Attorney General, Amos Wako. In 2007, PS Ndemo purported to settle a case the government had already won upholding the cancellation of the Econet licence by the Minister of Information and Communications. The PS further claimed to settle a case that Econet was destined to loose following a court order ordering them to deposit $15million as security for their $1 billion case against the Minister. Econet could not conceivably pay the $15 million for they still owed the government $12 million. Investigations are necessary to establish: a) Whether PS Ndemo upsurped the powers of the Attorney General b) What the Attorney General's role and legal rationale was in arriving at the "settlement" c) Whether PS Ndemo acted against the interests of the Republic d) Whether PS Ndemo defied a binding and final ruling by Kenya's Judiciary e) Whether PS Ndemo through his actions committed abuse of abuse as defined under the Economic and Anti-Corruption Act of 2003 f) Whether PS Ndemo committed any other unlawful acts through is actions g) Whether PS Ndemo by trampling a bonafide court ruling and a Ministerial order contravened the Section 354 of Chapter XIII (Miscellaneous Offences Against Public Authority) of the Laws of Kenya which in states: “Any person who knowingly utters as and for a subsisting and effectual document any document which has by any lawful authority been ordered to be revoked, cancelled or suspended, or the operation of which has ceased by effluxion of time, or by death, or by the happening of any other event, is guilty of an offence of the same kind, and is liable to the same punishment, as if he had forged the document,” Visual proof of PS Ndemo signing the bogus "settlement agreement": http://rapidshare.com/files/152229210/en_bs_250707_econectknfc.mp4 It cannot be wished away that a legal precedent has already been established in Kenya for Government officials who claim to have been acting on orders from above that they remain responsible for actions carried out on the basis of their own personal actions and thus PS Ndemo bears absolute and full responsibility for appending his signature to the sham "settlement agreement" that he appended his signature to on "behalf" of the Republic: Magistrate Aggrey Muchelule had a stern warning to public officers: "It does not pay to take illegal orders from your superiors. However highly placed, you will still be responsible in the fullness of time." http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-13141577_ITM http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3591830.stm It took 14 years after the fact to sentence Somaia and Oluga for their fraud against the Republic, public servants should not chide theselves that the passage of time makes one's illegal actions forgotten. Those they enable to engage in illegal acts might get away but the public servant will nonetheless carry their own cross. Fact 6: The Econet matter has recently been planned for Cabinet discussion. This warrants PS Ndemo's investigation for his role in disenfranchising Kenyans and for continuing to make plans to legalise an illegal act of disenfranchisement into law by arbitrarily gazetting regulations that seek to place foreigners ahead of Kenyans: "When contacted, Nyagah confirmed he had received the letter from the KNFC interim board, seeking their intervention on the issue of the shares, and their participation in rolling out the third mobile operator’s services. Nyagah, whose main docket covers the co-operative movement, said he would address the concerns raised by KNFC at the Ministry and Cabinet level." http://www.eastandard.net/InsidePage.php?id=1143995477&cid=14&j=&m=& d= The Cabinet ought to act with no holds barred in looking into PS Ndemo's involvement in the matter as well as his recent pandering to foreign interests at the expense of Kenyans. This is a serious national security matter that involves critical infrastructure in the country particularly coming at a time when foreigners stranglehold exceeds 80% of the economy. The issue of allowing foreigners to own 100% of ICT firms should be submitted to Parliament for those are the elected representatives of the Kenyan people, such critical decisions should not be left in the hands of someone who recently signed away access to the Kenyan Economy to Libyans and frequently echoes his admiration of foreigners. Let PS Ndemo name the foreigners who have approached him and who despise Kenyans so much that they would not dream of partnering with them: "This rule is messing us up in terms of investments. There are large companies which want to invest in this country without partnering with other individuals," Bitange Ndemo, permanent secretary at the Information Ministry, said in an interview. http://africa.reuters.com/business/news/usnJOE4950WH.html Did PS Ndemo sign an agreement with Libyans promising them access to sectors of the Economy? YES http://www.eastandard.net/InsidePage.php?id=1143990641&cid=4 Fact 7: In 2006, Econet rushed to court and obtained exparte orders against the Government and the regulator causing a stay of the Minister's decision to cancel the Econet licence by the Minister of Information and Communications. The presiding and ruling judge, Justice Ibrahim Mohammed in his eventual ruling admonished Econet for abusing the court process and upheld the Minister's decision that cancelled the Econet licence while canceling the orders that Econet had improperly obtain. Case No 1640 of 2004 in the High Court of Kenya that the Republic won is the same case PS Ndemo misled the nation was a case in progress that was to be settled: "Upon consideration, I am of the view that in effect, the Order No 5 to all intents and purposes is an ex parte quia timet injunction disguised as “an order of leave operating as a prohibition”. This Court has no jurisdiction to grant such an order in judicial review proceedings and if it had, it has been granted improperly and in breach of the principles of natural justice as there is no returnable date for an inter partes hearing between the parties. It is a permanent injunctive order which was given in violation of all the cardinal principles of natural justice. To allow it to continue to be in force for a minute longer would amount to a total miscarriage of justice. This Court of course, cannot allow this to happen. This court is supposed to be a harbinger and fountain of justice and not a perpetrator of injustice." Entire Copy of Court Ruling upholding the Minister's decision thus permanently cementing the fact that the cancelled Econet licence remained indefinitely cancelled: http://rapidshare.com/files/152242136/Econet_v_Minister.pdf Fact 8: The Econet scam which the PS continues to deliberately aid was named as scandal number 10 in Sir Edward Clay's list of 20 scandals committed against the Republic: http://rapidshare.com/files/152246719/20Scandals.pdf Only the tip of the iceberg.... -- Click for a credit repair consultation, raise your FICO score.. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/Ioyw6h4d7lzmxrPK8SDbjIEfKVScUQcpfeHX7tKvMt8q…

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We Want to hear from Ndemo not some crooked foreigners
by John Maina 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

Guys Lets not lie to each other. I have nothing personal against Ndemo but let me tell you that the way Ndemo is running the ICT is wrong for the Kenyans. The fact that Crystal Watley can wax lyrical how she is too Kenyan just because she is in love with Kongoni who is a young confused man while Nick Nesbitt who is known even within the BPO society to be arrogant and never a team player will show you what kind of people we are dealing with. We dont need to be on what is happening. Just this morning if you read the thread you will get all the facts plus all the court cases and injunctions which the PS is not respecting. Is that what KICTANET wants? Walubengo is it that when truth is told with all the policy documents and evidence then we retreat to the corner of KICTANET being sijui what? PLease lets be democratic and know that Kenya is for us all aand not for the arrogant and cheap things we see from Nick Nesbitt andd the like. Nick Nesbitt didnt have the money to invest in Kenya. He borrowed it in Kenyan banks. Telkom France had to beg the government of Kenya to give them money. Did they have money? No. they got it from Kenyan tax payers. So dont tell me about Kenyans not able to buy these companies and run them. We know the truth fellow Kenyans and the best thing we can do is respect divergent opinions and not rush to the defence of people like Crystal and Nesbitt and Longwe who is also a not crook in the Kenyan ICT sector. I dont owe anybody an apology. Lets all be fair to each other and stop licking toes of Ndemo just because you dont want to loose him from the list. More infforrmation about the corruption cases have been added even this morning on http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3370#post3370 JM ----- Original Message ---- From: Justin Mburu <jt.alliance(a)gmail.com> To: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 8:33:02 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests AND WHO IS THIS PROFESSOR JOHN MAINA? Professor in what? RUMOUR-MONGERING???? Leave PS Ndemo alone and get a life! PS Ndemo has been doing an incredible job!!! kudos Daktari Ndemo Justin 2008/10/7 John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jt.alliance(a)gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jt.alliance%40gmail.com

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Solving Scandals
by Bill Kagai 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:56 AM, John Walubengo <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I think the point on online etiquette has been made and we should let this > thread rest. > And there we go. A leading African ICT think-tank has solved the crisis by orchestrating a turn-around based on etiquette...insinuating, now the PS and Maina can meet on the periphery and form an ICT grand coalition thing. I do not condone prosecution in the public domain without establishing the facts, but a professional courtesy call to understand Maina's [maybe miscontrued] thoughts and protocol driven clarification from the PS, would have left us all in better place rather than blanket censure for or against the aggrieved party, which is not clear at this stage. Its pathetic, how we have solved this problem.

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PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal and Vested Interests - Closed.
by Samuel Gichuru 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

Ladies and Gentlemen of this forum, I think its time this thread was rested as the moderator had suggested (Thank you Moderator), Mr Ndemo has proved his worth time and time again, put it to rest and lets discuss more progressive issues, Bwana PS our apologies for letting this drag this long. Thank you PS: The last time this happened Michael Joseph stopped contributing to this forum, Can he be invited back, his contribution is invaluable. -- Warm Regards -------------------------------------- Sam Gichuru CVO We Design websites that build business, Register .COM, .co.ke, .NET, .ORG, .INFO and .BIZ domain names for FREE. unlimited email addresses. Business Webhosting and Internet Marketing services for only Kshs. 1,000 a month. Ideas Africa Limited - The Web Design and Hosting Company Tel : 020-221199, 230663 - Cell: 0722-730565 Web: www.ideasafrica.com

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Locales for over 100 African languages
by Dorcas Muthoni 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

For those with passion for seeing Kikuyu, Dholuo, Kikamba, etc on your computers, you cam join the group below: >> ANLoc, the African Network for Localization, has started an initiative to build locales for over 100 African languages. The project is now ready to line up volunteers and get to work. You can view a presentation about the initiative at: http://kamusiproject.org/en/100locales The main requirements for a volunteer are: 1) literate in the target language 2) comfortable using computers 3) can volunteer about 1 or 2 hours 4) finishes what they start If you are willing and able to help, please look through these lists of languages, and contact locales(a)africanlocalization.net if you can work on one that does not yet have a volunteer: * West Africa: http://is.gd/3nJZ * Nigeria: http://is.gd/3nKk * Central Africa: http://is.gd/3nHO * Tanzania and Indian Ocean: http://is.gd/3nJ7 * Great Lakes and Kenya: http://is.gd/3nGQ * Horn of Africa: http://is.gd/3nJd * Southern Africa: http://is.gd/3nJj (Note that we do NOT need volunteers for South Africa, because those languages already have good locales.) You can also help by letting your colleagues from other African language communities know about the project. We want to build all of these locales in a few months, so please let me know quickly if you can help out! Thanks, Martin Benjamin -- Muthoni My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:- First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!

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Kenya Internet Governance Forum (Kenya IGF) - Reminder
by Harry Hare 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

Just a reminder for those wishing to attend this forum to register as advised. Kindest Regards Harry +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dear Colleagues The Kenya ICT Board (KICTB) in conjunction with the Kenya Network Information Centre (KENIC), the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet), the East African ICT for Development Network (EA ICT4D) and other participating organisations are pleased to announce the Kenya Internet Governance Forum (Kenya IGF) to be held on the 14th of October, 2008 at the Jacaranda hotel in Westlands. The Kenya IGF will offer a central forum through which Internet stakeholders in Kenya can contribute to the global Internet Governance Forum. The Kenya IGF is a follow up to the KICTANet mailing list discussions on Internet Governance, which were held in August 2008, and aimed at beginning to identify and explore national level Internet Governance issues. The national forum aims at: · creating awareness on IGF issues, · instituting a consensus building process to develop a common understanding of Kenyan Internet Governance issues and · building policy capacity in order to enable meaningful participation in global Internet policy, governance and development. The outcome of the Kenya IGF will be collated with that from the other national IGF¹s which will take place in Uganda, Tanzania and Rwanda, to form the agenda for the East African IGF (EAIGF) scheduled for 10th-12th November 2008, Nairobi Kenya. As a key player in the Internet industry, it is my pleasure to invite you to the Kenya IGF. Below is a summary of the programme: ++++++++++++++++++++++ 08:45 - 09:00 Registration 09:00 - 09:10 Opening Remarks - Paul Kukubo, CEO, KICTB 09:10 - 09:30 What is internet governance and why should we care? - Brian Longwe/KENIC 09:30 - 10:00 Kenyan stakeholders IG issues: KICTANet Online Discussion Report; validating issues discussed John Walubengo/Mwende Njiraini 10:00 - 10:10 Government & the IGF Charles J. K. Njoroge, Director General, CCK 10:10 - 10:30 Official Launch of Kenya IGF - Dr. Bitange Ndemo, PS, Ministry of Information & Communications 10:30 - 11:00 Coffee Break 11:00 - 11:30 So what are Kenya¹s Priority IG issues? Issue Prioritization & Consensus - KICTANet/KENIC 11:30 - 12:00 What Policy and Technical capacity do we need to engage? Identifying Issues for Capacity Building John Walubengo/Mwende Njiraini 12:00 - 12:30 Closing Remarks/Vote of Thanks - EAICT4D Harry Hare 12:30 Lunch +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Kindly confirm your participation by sending an email to <evelyne(a)kictanet.or.ke> Regards, Harry Hare

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Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
by John Maina 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

Nick You see that its only people like you who are in Kenya not to develope Kenya but to exploit are the ones supporting Ndemo. Crooks like him. You are known and even the BPO society know you as someone who is known not to support the general development and economic improvement of thee country. You are known as someone who even his own staff he has consistently paid poorly. When did Ndemo give Kenyans a chance to buy the companies and they said they couldnt? He wouldd rather go to Libya and go and make secret deals there. Am not suprised that you support him but know that no matter how long it takees. Kenyans will recover Kenya from looters like you JM ----- Original Message ---- From: nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt(a)kencall.com> To: j.maina(a)ymail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:13:01 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests I agree totally. Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more investor friendly and respectful environment... Perhaps this person needs to put their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very different perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they were to invest in anything substantial in Kenya... It is Econet's investors' money. It is not Kenya's money... Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game based on rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of someone's investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law mandates that they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned investment? The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were still required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been in Kenya and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and investment unfriendly policies... Bravo, Daktari Ndemo! Nicholas A. Nesbitt Chief Executive Officer KenCall EPZ Ltd P.O. Box 27507 - 00506 Sameer Industrial Park, Mombasa Road Nairobi, Kenya +254.20.660.2000 (office) +254.20.660.2222 (fax) +254.721.458.458 (cell) nnesbitt(a)kencall.com www.kencall.com BEST Non-European Contact Centre 2008 Fastest Growing Top 100 company On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Crystal Watley wrote: I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be nothing less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn through the mud next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and frank in this matter. When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the news I see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their way of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing. Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in his office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this is the rule NOT the exception. Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees. They work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer views an employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes from their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office working? We need to set higher standards for our government. This is not accomplished by breaking the good ones down. Asante sana. Crystal On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net> wrote: Smells like a smear campaign to me. I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong. B On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote: > http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ > mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafri… -- Crystal "Naliaka" Watley Voices of Africa crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: nnesbitt(a)kencall.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nnesbitt%40kencall.com

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skunkworks@innovation event recap
by Josiah Mugambi 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

http://blog.my.co.ke/?p=88 Regards Josiah -- Josiah Mugambi +254 738 504418 Blog: http://blog.josiahmugambi.com

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Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
by Japheth kemboi 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

Dear all, Assuming that this is 'gossip' or ' a smear' as someone might have called it, wouldn't it be better to hear from PS Ndemo? Just to clear the air but not a to put up a defence. I would really like to believe that that there is no foul play at the PS office or is there a dent in the 'work performance' of our PS but I am forced to start thinking 'Lisemwalo lipo na kama hamna basi ......' Thanks, Kipkirui. ----- Original Message ---- From: Harry Hare <harry(a)africanedevelopment.org> To: kipkirui2002tz(a)yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 8:38:44 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests Dear All, I seen to notice a very disturbing trend here...why is the Kenyan Diaspora angry about anything and anyone that seems to be working or doing something. I have noticed that most of the KICTANet flame comes from people in Diaspora. If they feel that strongly about the country, I why not come back home and build the nation from here. Or better still, stop distracting people who are working for the nation. Kindest Regards Harry On 10/7/08 8:57 AM, "Joseph Manthi" <jmanthi(a)gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely astounding. WHat is going on in the old motherland? 2008/10/7 John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jmanthi(a)gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jmanthi%40gmail.com

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
by Gakuru Alex 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

For Your Information, Those intending to continue with this conversation please remove ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> from your circulation. I have just suspended John from that mailing list and we do not wish to receive any more messages under this thread. Thank you Alex Gakuru On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> wrote: > John, > > I am afraid I am forced to suspend your subscription from this list > and will not allow this conversation to continue. > > Regards, > > Alex > > 2008/10/7 John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com>: >> And you dont have to boast of your Kenyanness because having an American >> Tatoo will never make me an American nor is having to exploit a young >> ignorant African >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Crystal Watley <crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org> >> To: nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt(a)kencall.com> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; >> ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:34:47 PM >> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand >> Vested Interests >> >> Again. I like honesty. I know how a real Kenyan lives, obviously there is >> much you don't know about me, and I would never use a personal smear in such >> a discussion. Well, then maybe you are RIGHT. If that is the mark of a >> Kenyan. >> >> I have suffered poverty and hunger in the village alongside women. I have >> carried water on my head for kilometers. Every day for over a year I hiked >> everywhere with my three year old daughter tied to my back in a kanga. >> >> Sir, what is the mark of a Kenyan? >> >> I have given everything I owned to Kenya twice. Once when I moved here and >> once when I had to evacuate the post-election violence. How many would be >> willing to give up everything they owned and live in poverty in a rural >> village to understand Kenya? >> >> I respect you as a professional, but you have no right to judge my >> "Kenyanness" through a list forum. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Crystal >> >> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM, nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt(a)kencall.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I agree totally. >>> Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to >>> insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more investor >>> friendly and respectful environment... Perhaps this person needs to put >>> their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very different >>> perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they were to >>> invest in anything substantial in Kenya... >>> It is Econet's investors' money. It is not Kenya's money... >>> Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the >>> participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game based on >>> rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of someone's >>> investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law mandates >>> that they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned investment? >>> The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were still >>> required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea >>> kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into >>> partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been in >>> Kenya and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and investment >>> unfriendly policies... >>> Bravo, Daktari Ndemo! >>> >>> Nicholas A. Nesbitt >>> Chief Executive Officer >>> KenCall EPZ Ltd >>> P.O. Box 27507 - 00506 >>> Sameer Industrial Park, Mombasa Road >>> Nairobi, Kenya >>> +254.20.660.2000 (office) >>> +254.20.660.2222 (fax) >>> +254.721.458.458 (cell) >>> nnesbitt(a)kencall.com >>> www.kencall.com >>> BEST Non-European Contact Centre 2008 >>> >>> >>> Fastest Growing Top 100 company >>> On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Crystal Watley wrote: >>> >>> I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be nothing >>> less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn through the mud >>> next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and frank in >>> this matter. >>> >>> When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and >>> look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the news I >>> see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always >>> campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their way >>> of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing. >>> >>> Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance >>> record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in his >>> office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this is >>> the rule NOT the exception. >>> >>> Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public >>> office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees. They >>> work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer views an >>> employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes from >>> their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office working? We >>> need to set higher standards for our government. This is not accomplished by >>> breaking the good ones down. >>> >>> Asante sana. >>> >>> Crystal >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Smells like a smear campaign to me. >>>> >>>> I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote: >>>> >>>> > http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > kictanet mailing list >>>> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> > >>>> > This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net >>>> > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ >>>> > mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> >>>> This message was sent to: crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafri… >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Crystal "Naliaka" Watley >>> Voices of Africa >>> crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org >>> http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ >>> >>> "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: nnesbitt(a)kencall.com >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nnesbitt%40kencall.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Crystal "Naliaka" Watley >> Voices of Africa >> crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org >> http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ >> >> "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ke-internetusers mailing list >> ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net >> http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >> >> > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >

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Tusker, Flaming and Google's Mail Goggles
by Francis Hook 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

On a very light note - and because someone mentioned Tusker at some point in a recent post. Google are working to ensure "responsible posting" where EABL's "responsible drinking" can't reach ...online see the link: http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-lat… kictanet-request@ lists.kictanet.or .ke To Sent by: FHook(a)idc.com kictanet-bounces cc +fhook=idc.com@li sts.kictanet.or.k Subject e kictanet Digest, Vol 17, Issue 13 10/08/2008 02:22 PM Please respond to kictanet(a)lists.ki ctanet.or.ke Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests (John Maina) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 04:20:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests To: nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt(a)kencall.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>, ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Message-ID: <507379.23402.qm(a)web59514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nick You see that its only people like you who are in Kenya not to develope Kenya but to exploit are the ones supporting Ndemo. Crooks like him. You are known and even the BPO society know you as someone who is known not to support the general development and economic improvement of thee country. You are known as someone who even his own staff he has consistently paid poorly. When did Ndemo give Kenyans a chance to buy the companies and they said they couldnt? He wouldd rather go to Libya and go and make secret deals there. Am not suprised that you support him but know that no matter how long it takees. Kenyans will recover Kenya from looters like you JM ----- Original Message ---- From: nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt(a)kencall.com> To: j.maina(a)ymail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:13:01 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests I agree totally. Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more investor friendly and respectful environment... Perhaps this person needs to put their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very different perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they were to invest in anything substantial in Kenya... It is Econet's investors' money. It is not Kenya's money... Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game based on rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of someone's investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law mandates that they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned investment? The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were still required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been in Kenya and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and investment unfriendly policies... Bravo, Daktari Ndemo! Nicholas A. Nesbitt Chief Executive Officer KenCall EPZ Ltd P.O. Box 27507 - 00506 Sameer Industrial Park, Mombasa Road Nairobi, Kenya +254.20.660.2000 (office) +254.20.660.2222 (fax) +254.721.458.458 (cell) nnesbitt(a)kencall.com www.kencall.com BEST Non-European Contact Centre 2008 Fastest Growing Top 100 company On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Crystal Watley wrote: I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be nothing less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn through the mud next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and frank in this matter. When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the news I see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their way of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing. Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in his office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this is the rule NOT the exception. Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees. They work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer views an employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes from their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office working? We need to set higher standards for our government. This is not accomplished by breaking the good ones down. Asante sana. Crystal On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net> wrote: Smells like a smear campaign to me. I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong. B On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote: > http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ > mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafri… -- Crystal "Naliaka" Watley Voices of Africa crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: nnesbitt(a)kencall.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nnesbitt%40kencall.com

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Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
by John Maina 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

Brian Stop protecting thieves. If you dont have facts, ask for them. PS Ndemo knows what he has done wrong ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net> To: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 5:32:10 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests Smells like a smear campaign to me. I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong. B On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote: > http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ > mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net

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Kenyan banks and stock market
by aki 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

The global slow down is on. Asian markets have headed down steeply today morning. Kenya is not an island in the global economy. Anyone aware of steps already taken by the Govt/ Companies/Banks to protect/stabilize local market and prevent a crash or closures?

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Webcast Tomorrow: Disaster Risk Management in the Information Age, Oct 8-9
by Harry Hare 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

Fyi...might interest some of you. Cheers Harry ------ Forwarded Message From: <edevelopment(a)worldbank.org> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:23:55 -0400 To: <e-Development_TG_External(a)worldbank.org>, <e-Development_TG_External_1(a)worldbank.org> Subject: Webcast Tomorrow: Disaster Risk Management in the Information Age, Oct 8-9 Dear colleagues We invite you to participate in the live webcast of a workshop on ?Disaster Risk Management in the Information Age? organized by the World Bank's Global Information Communication and Technology Department, infoDev, Global Facility for Disaster Reduction and Recovery (GFDRR), and the Latin American Disaster Risk Management team. Jointly we have put together an exciting program of panel discussions on different aspects of using ICT to assess, mitigate, prepare, and recover from disasters. You can also post comments and questions on our new eDevelopment Blog: http://edevelopmentblog.org Disaster Risk Management in the Information Age Oct. 8-9, 2008, 9:00 - 1:30 pm ET LIVE WEBCAST: http://www.worldbank.org/edevelopment/live All workshop materials will be available at: http://www.worldbank.org/edevelopment Program Description Between 1980 and 2006, natural disasters killed more than 2 million people worldwide and reported damages totaled 1.2 trillion USD. For example, the 2005 Pakistan earthquake caused about $5 billion damages. There were 5,210 disasters worldwide between 1991 and 2005. The World Bank has a large lending portfolio of natural disaster risk management projects: 195 active and pipeline projects amounting to USD 8248 Million. How does the information revolution change the way we deal with disasters? The key objective of this workshop is to raise awareness on the opportunities to improve the impact of disaster risk management projects via innovative and effective use of ICT and to help understand better key lessons learned, success factors and good practices. A series of case studies and presentations will discuss the enabling and transformational role of ICT applications throughout the full cycle of Disaster Risk Management activities: risk assessment, mitigation, preparedness, response and recovery. The Workshop will identify challenges and key issues, best practices and critical success factors, latest trends, solutions and technologies, as well as the policy recommendations and opportunities for mainstreaming and more effective use of ICT in the World Bank disaster risk management portfolio. How to make ICT a transformational enabler of better disaster risk management? What are the critical success factors for effective application of ICT in this area? What is the role of open source, mobile and other Web 2.0 tools? What is the role of Public Private Partnerships? The workshop will feature a number of distinguished experts: Alta Haggarty (UN OCHA) Gianluca Bruni (UN World Food Program, via VC from Rome) Chanuka Wattegama (LIRNEasia, formerly with UNDP) Paul Margie (Telecom Sans Frontiers) Charles Scawthorn (Kyoto University) Carmelle Terborgh (ESRI) Inderjit Claire (RMSI) Eric Rasmussen (InSTEDD) Gisli Olafsson (Microsoft) Andrew Levy (IBM) S. Rangarajan (World Space) John C. Scott (Center for Public Service Communications) Ken Zita (Network Dymanics Associates) Bill Gail (Microsoft) Saroj Jha (GFDRR/World Bank) Francis Ghesquiere (World Bank) Philippe Dongier (World Bank) Valerie D'Costa (infoDev) Deepak Bhatia (World Bank) Uwe Deichmann (World Bank) Samia Melhem (World Bank)) Hemang Karelia (GFDRR) Ramesh Siva (World Bank))) Sanjaya Bhatia (GFDRR) Edward Anderson (World Bank)) Trond Vedeld (World Bank) Reza Firuzabadi (World Bank)) ------ End of Forwarded Message

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
by Crystal Watley 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

Is this professional? Please see below. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:57 AM, John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> wrote: And you dont have to boast of your Kenyanness because having an American Tatoo will never make me an American nor is having to exploit a young ignorant African Sir, My husband is a well educated Kenyan who is two years my senior. You have no right to make such remarks on list or off. Again, is mud slinging what you consider to be the mark of being a Kenyan? The problem in Kenya is that people turn on each other instead of focusing on the problems and addressing them together. This leads to hate and violence that is uncalled for. Until we all commit to making a change in our mentalities and attitudes, from one of victimhood and name calling to one of empowerment, nothing will change. HOW TO GET RID OF A BAD EMPLOYEE First, you determine if their actual work performance is worth keeping them in your company, organization, or GOVERNMENT. Second, if they are found lacking, confront them directly in a calm and civilized manner based on factual evidence. Third, if the factual evidence shows a breach in their "contract" for employment, dismiss them. Fourth, if they have broken laws take them to court. Hold them accountable. Crystal Is this professional? Please see below. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:57 AM, John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> wrote: And you dont have to boast of your Kenyanness because having an American Tatoo will never make me an American nor is having to exploit a young ignorant African > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Crystal Watley <crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org> > To: nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt(a)kencall.com> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; > ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> > Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:34:47 PM > Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand > Vested Interests > > Again. I like honesty. I know how a real Kenyan lives, obviously there is > much you don't know about me, and I would never use a personal smear in such > a discussion. Well, then maybe you are RIGHT. If that is the mark of a > Kenyan. > > I have suffered poverty and hunger in the village alongside women. I have > carried water on my head for kilometers. Every day for over a year I hiked > everywhere with my three year old daughter tied to my back in a kanga. > > Sir, what is the mark of a Kenyan? > > I have given everything I owned to Kenya twice. Once when I moved here and > once when I had to evacuate the post-election violence. How many would be > willing to give up everything they owned and live in poverty in a rural > village to understand Kenya? > > I respect you as a professional, but you have no right to judge my > "Kenyanness" through a list forum. > > Thank you. > > Crystal > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM, nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt(a)kencall.com>wrote: > >> I agree totally. >> Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to >> insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more investor >> friendly and respectful environment... Perhaps this person needs to put >> their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very different >> perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they were to >> invest in anything substantial in Kenya... >> >> It is Econet's investors' money. It is not Kenya's money... >> >> Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the >> participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game based on >> rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of someone's >> investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law mandates >> that they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned investment? >> The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were still >> required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea >> kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into >> partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been in >> Kenya and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and investment >> unfriendly policies... >> Bravo, Daktari Ndemo! >> >> >> Nicholas A. Nesbitt >> Chief Executive Officer >> KenCall EPZ Ltd >> P.O. Box 27507 - 00506 >> Sameer Industrial Park, Mombasa Road >> Nairobi, Kenya >> >> +254.20.660.2000 (office) >> +254.20.660.2222 (fax) >> +254.721.458.458 (cell) >> >> nnesbitt(a)kencall.com >> www.kencall.com >> >> BEST Non-European Contact Centre 2008 >> >> >> >> *Fastest Growing Top 100 company* >> >> On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Crystal Watley wrote: >> >> I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be nothing >> less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn through the mud >> next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and frank in >> this matter. >> >> When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and >> look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the news I >> see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always >> campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their way >> of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing. >> >> Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance >> record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in his >> office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this is >> the rule NOT the exception. >> >> Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public >> office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees. They >> work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer views an >> employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes from >> their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office working? We >> need to set higher standards for our government. This is not accomplished by >> breaking the good ones down. >> >> Asante sana. >> >> Crystal >> >> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net>wrote: >> >>> Smells like a smear campaign to me. >>> >>> I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong. >>> >>> B >>> >>> On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote: >>> >>> > http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > kictanet mailing list >>> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> > >>> > This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net >>> > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ >>> > mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafri… >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Crystal "Naliaka" Watley >> Voices of Africa >> crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org >> http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ >> >> "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: nnesbitt(a)kencall.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nnesbitt%40kencall.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Crystal "Naliaka" Watley > Voices of Africa > crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org > http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ > > "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi > > -- Crystal "Naliaka" Watley Voices of Africa crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi

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Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 17, Issue 9
by Francis Hook 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

I agree with Brian. I recall covering the econet issue before Dr Ndemo became PS. we have since moved in leaps and bounds. Mischief at work here. We have all seen in recent months unsubstantiated claims (outside ICT) with people becoming needlessly emotional and regurgitating ill digested 'facts' - to little avail. ----- Original Message ----- From: kictanet-request Sent: 07/10/2008 20:08 ZE3 To: Francis Hook Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 17, Issue 9 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests (John Maina) 2. Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests (Crystal Watley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests To: David Otwoma <otwomad(a)gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>, ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Message-ID: <421239.17908.qm(a)web59511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David Dont just beg PS Ndemo because he is your boss. Know the facts. Do you think that what Ndemo did with the libyans, french, Moi family and all the crooks is nice? Is that the kind of boss you want? I see you protecting your tusker but others also have to live and niot be denied a chance by crooks like Ndemo JM ----- Original Message ---- From: David Otwoma <otwomad(a)gmail.com> To: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:31:32 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests Hi John, That is a bit too strong coming from a Professor. If you have facts the law enforcers should be given as this forum may not be able to arrest/act accordingly etc. on anyone who breaks the 10 commandments (of the Xtian holy book). Otherwise keep off from what I drink (tusker) if it makes you think of the river songs. Kind regards, Daudi On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM, John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> wrote: Brian Stop protecting thieves. If you dont have facts, ask for them. PS Ndemo knows what he has done wrong ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net> To: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 5:32:10 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests Smells like a smear campaign to me. I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong. B On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote: > http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ > mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: otwomad(a)gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otwomad%40gmail.com -- David Otwoma, Chief Science Secretary, National Council for Science and Technology, Utalii House 9th Floor, Mobile tel: +254 722 141771, Office tel: +254 (0)20 2346915, P. O. Box 29899 - 00100, Nairobi, Kenya email: otwomad(a)gmail.com & otwoma(a)ncst.go.ke www.ncst.go.ke

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Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
by John Maina 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

David Dont just beg PS Ndemo because he is your boss. Know the facts. Do you think that what Ndemo did with the libyans, french, Moi family and all the crooks is nice? Is that the kind of boss you want? I see you protecting your tusker but others also have to live and niot be denied a chance by crooks like Ndemo JM ----- Original Message ---- From: David Otwoma <otwomad(a)gmail.com> To: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:31:32 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests Hi John, That is a bit too strong coming from a Professor. If you have facts the law enforcers should be given as this forum may not be able to arrest/act accordingly etc. on anyone who breaks the 10 commandments (of the Xtian holy book). Otherwise keep off from what I drink (tusker) if it makes you think of the river songs. Kind regards, Daudi On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM, John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> wrote: Brian Stop protecting thieves. If you dont have facts, ask for them. PS Ndemo knows what he has done wrong ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net> To: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 5:32:10 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests Smells like a smear campaign to me. I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong. B On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote: > http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ > mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: otwomad(a)gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otwomad%40gmail.com -- David Otwoma, Chief Science Secretary, National Council for Science and Technology, Utalii House 9th Floor, Mobile tel: +254 722 141771, Office tel: +254 (0)20 2346915, P. O. Box 29899 - 00100, Nairobi, Kenya email: otwomad(a)gmail.com & otwoma(a)ncst.go.ke www.ncst.go.ke

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Norwegian standards body implodes over OOXML controversy
by waudo siganga 04 Oct '08

04 Oct '08

Hi All - Last time some 3 colleagues from KEBS TC attended a meeting in Geneva. Is this thing over or what? [1]http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081003-norwegian-standa rds-body-implodes-over-ooxml-controversy.html Waudo =C References 1. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081003-norwegian-standards-body-impl… Life is but a series of decisions and consequences therefrom

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skunkworks@innovation tomorrow
by Gakuru Alex 03 Oct '08

03 Oct '08

You are most welcome! A free event for everyone to discover great technologies, learn about the best software solutions Kenya has to offer and meet the community that develops it. Visit a range of exhibitors, solutions, and meet some great people and projects along the way. We have a wonderful line-up of technologies including • Mobile devices communications solutions • Games • ERPs • content applications, • educational applications • Demonstration of FOSS-based locally developed software • Demonstration of proprietary-based locally developed software Come and explore the new world of technology freedom 8AM TO 5PM SAT 4TH OCTOBER, PANAFRIC HOTEL Regards, Alex

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Digital quality of life
by John Maina 03 Oct '08

03 Oct '08

http://www.itif.org/files/DQOL.pdf

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Computer for sale...
by Mike Bullut 02 Oct '08

02 Oct '08

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Kipsang Bullut <kipsangb(a)gmail.com> Date: 2008/10/2 Subject: Computer for sale... To: Africa ICT Network <africaICTnet(a)googlegroups.com>, Consolata Youth Group <consolata_youth_group(a)yahoogroups.com>, Jomo Kenyatta University Agriculture & Technology Alumni <jkuatalumni(a)yahoogroups.com>, Keeping It Real <keepingitrealafrica(a)yahoogroups.com>, Kenya Computers < kenya-computers(a)googlegroups.com>, Young Kenyan Talent < young-kenyan-talent(a)googlegroups.com>, Young Professionals Kenya < youngprofessionals_ke(a)googlegroups.com> Cc: mike.bullut(a)gmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Kipsang Bullut <kipsangb(a)iconnect.co.ke> Date: 2008/10/2 Subject: Fw: Re: My e-mail address... To: kipsangb(a)gmail.com -- Original message -- From: "jevis" <jevis(a)iconnect.co.ke> To: "Michael Kipsang Bullut" <kipsangb(a)iconnect.co.ke> Date: Thursday 2 October 2008 07:33:47 Subject: Re: My e-mail address... Hi. compaq monitor - pentium 3. compaq keyboard - ups , cpu, printer Epson LQ870 - dot matrix black & white. all at 12,000/= k.shs. deepti. - Michael Kipsang Bullut wrote: This is Michael from Internet Solutions, we've just spoken on the phone. Please send me the details for the computer you want to sell. Thank you. --- ___________________________________________ Sent with eCorrei - http://ecorrei.sf.net/ -- "To see a world in a grain of sand, and a heaven in a wildflower...hold infinity in the palm of your hand, and eternity in an hour..." ~ William Blakeg. -- -- "The computer programmer . . . is a creator of universes for which he alone is the lawgiver. . . . No playwright, no stage director, no emperor, however powerful, has ever exercised such absolute authority to arrange a stage or a field of battle and to command such unswervingly dutiful actors or troops." ~ Joseph Weizenbaum... --

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Kenya Internet Governance Forum (Kenya IGF): Opening the Internet Governance Debate in East Africa: ³Thinking Globally; Acting Locally²
by Harry Hare 02 Oct '08

02 Oct '08

Dear Colleagues The Kenya ICT Board (KICTB) in conjunction with the Kenya Network Information Centre (KENIC), the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet), the East African ICT for Development Network (EA ICT4D) and other participating organisations are pleased to announce the Kenya Internet Governance Forum (Kenya IGF) to be held on the 14th of October, 2008 at the Jacaranda hotel in Westlands. The Kenya IGF will offer a central forum through which Internet stakeholders in Kenya can contribute to the global Internet Governance Forum. The Kenya IGF is a follow up to the KICTANet mailing list discussions on Internet Governance, which were held in August 2008, and aimed at beginning to identify and explore national level Internet Governance issues. The national forum aims at: · creating awareness on IGF issues, · instituting a consensus building process to develop a common understanding of Kenyan Internet Governance issues and · building policy capacity in order to enable meaningful participation in global Internet policy, governance and development. The outcome of the Kenya IGF will be collated with that from the other national IGF¹s which will take place in Uganda, Tanzania and Rwanda, to form the agenda for the East African IGF (EAIGF) scheduled for 10th-12th November 2008, Nairobi Kenya. As a key player in the Internet industry, it is my pleasure to invite you to the Kenya IGF. Below is a summary of the programme: ++++++++++++++++++++++ 08:45 - 09:00 Registration 09:00 - 09:10 Opening Remarks - Paul Kukubo, CEO, KICTB 09:10 - 09:30 What is internet governance and why should we care? - Brian Longwe/KENIC 09:30 - 10:00 Kenyan stakeholders IG issues: KICTANet Online Discussion Report; validating issues discussed John Walubengo/Mwende Njiraini 10:00 - 10:10 Government & the IGF Charles J. K. Njoroge, Director General, CCK 10:10 - 10:30 Official Launch of Kenya IGF - Dr. Bitange Ndemo, PS, Ministry of Information & Communications 10:30 - 11:00 Coffee Break 11:00 - 11:30 So what are Kenya¹s Priority IG issues? Issue Prioritization & Consensus - KICTANet/KENIC 11:30 - 12:00 What Policy and Technical capacity do we need to engage? Identifying Issues for Capacity Building John Walubengo/Mwende Njiraini 12:00 - 12:30 Closing Remarks/Vote of Thanks - EAICT4D Harry Hare 12:30 Lunch +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Kindly confirm your participation by sending an email to <evelyne(a)kictanet.or.ke> Regards, Harry Hare

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ICANN 10 years old
by alice＠apc.org 01 Oct '08

01 Oct '08

ICANN: 10 Years Old Today A decade of multi-stakeholder decision-making and coordination 30 September 2008 ICANN is ten years old today. On 30 September 1998, ICANN's articles of incorporation were officially filed, recognizing "a nonprofit public benefit corporation...not organized for the private gain of any person." One month later, the first organizational meeting of the Board of Directors was held in New York at the Holiday Inn JFK and named Michael Roberts as the Interim President and CEO, and Esther Dyson as Chairman. Since then there have been two more chairman, two new CEOs, dozens of Board members, Committee members and Advisory Group members, 153 official meetings of the Board, 32 international public meetings, and, of course, thousands of individuals that have all contributed to making ICANN a leading, global, multi-stakeholder organization that runs the domain name system through a process of coordination not control. Current chairman Peter Dengate Thrush reflected today: "Ten years ago, there were 100 million people that used the Internet. Its inventors originally thought the network would only ever have to cater for one million users. But in the creation of ICANN, the Internet community and the US Government recognized they needed to privatize the domain name system to increase competition and international participation. "Thanks to that decision, and with nearly one-and-a-half billion people online, the network goes from strength to strength. And we hope, with the plans we have laid on the table, that the next ten years of extraordinary growth also occurs seamlessly for ordinary Internet user." So, what has ICANN done in the past decade? * Back in 1998, there was a single registrar, charging $50 a year for domain names; now there are over 900 ICANN-accredited registrars 1 and a domain costs from just $6 2 * Helped the domain name system grow from roughly three million domains a decade ago to over 160 million today 3 * Expanded the Internet's generic top-level domains from three (dotcom, dotnet and dotorg) to 16, including .info, .biz, .cat, .asia, .mobi and .name 4 * Seen over 35,000 domains go through the Uniform Dispute Resolution Process 5, a faster, cheaper and more efficient alternative to the law courts for ownership disputes * Developed policies with the full involvement of governments, business, the technical community and individual Net users that make the Internet's addressing system able to adapt to the radical new uses that the network is put to every year President and CEO of ICANN, Paul Twomey, said: "ICANN now represents a truly international organization. We have offices in Los Angeles, Brussels and Washington, as well as presences in a number of other countries. Board and Committee members come from every corner of the planet and the ICANN community is as diverse as the Internet itself. I look forward to seeing ICANN's success continue for the next 10 years and beyond." About ICANN: To reach another person on the Internet you have to type an address into your computer - a name or a number. That address has to be unique so computers know where to find each other. ICANN coordinates these unique identifiers across the world. Without that coordination we wouldn't have one global Internet. ICANN is responsible for the global coordination of the Internet's system of unique identifiers like domain names (like .org, .museum and country codes like .uk) and the addresses used in a variety of Internet protocols that help computers reach each other over the Internet. ICANN was formed in 1998. It is a not-for-profit public-benefit corporation from all over the world dedicated to keeping the Internet secure, stable and interoperable. It promotes competition and develops policy on the Internet's unique identifiers. ICANN doesn't control content on the Internet. It cannot stop spam and it doesn't deal with access to the Internet. But through its coordination role of the Internet's naming system, it does have an important impact on the expansion and evolution of the Internet. Media Contacts: Jason Keenan Media Advisor, ICANN P: +1 310 382 4004 E: jason.keenan(a)icann.org

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6th Open Acess International Conference
by Boster Sibande 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Dear Colleagues, The Information and Communication Technologies Association of Malawi (ICTAM) in collaboration with The Royal Swedish Institute of Technology (KTH) and The Open Society Initiative for Southern Africa (OSISA) will host the 6th International Conference on Open Access at Crossroads Hotel, Lilongwe, Malawi from 12th to14th November 2008. This will be preceded by the UbuntuNet Alliance Connect Conference: Driving effective Research and Education Networking in Africa at the same venue on 11th November 2008. The workshop on Fiber for Open Access that was supposed to be held in Nairobi, Kenya has also been moved to Lilongwe and will be held as a parallel session to the main Open Access Conference. YOU ARE INVITED. Please register to share experiences, plans or hypotheses under validation on various themes and sub themes. For more information visit http://www.wideopenaccess.net . Thanks, Boster.

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