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Fwd: Introducing the Kenya Cyber Security and Forensics Association
by waudo siganga 12 Jul '16

12 Jul '16

Could interest those who want to be members... ----- Original message ----- From: "Lawrence Dinga, CISSP" <ldinga(a)managecom.co.ke> To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;" Subject: Introducing the Kenya Cyber Security and Forensics Association Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:53:53 +0300 Hi, Please welcome to our Kenya Cyber Security and Forensics Association where you Engage with the Experts. http://kcsfa.co.ke/ Also visit our blog at http://blog.kcsfa.co.ke/security-awareness-engage-and-change-your-users-beh… Regards Lawrence Dinga, CISSP Kenya CyberSecurity and Forensics Association

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Are You Ready for a Job-Less Economy?
by Wangari Kabiru 11 Jul '16

11 Jul '16

Blessed Monday! Are You Ready for a Job-Less Economy? Read on.... Blessed day. Regards/Wangari ==== https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/278148 Are You Ready for a Job-Less Economy? By “Job Less” I don’t mean “No” jobs, I mean “Less” Jobs – at least as we know them. You see, technology is eliminating jobs in nearly every industry at an accelerating pace. Where there is crisis, however, there is also great opportunity.... Entrepreneurial skills are the key to success in our growing job-less economy. The future belongs to those who can innovate, solve problems, meet needs, create value, build communities, change directions, and occasionally re-invent themselves. Having worked with hundreds of startup companies, I believe these skills can be learned and applied by anyone with passion, tenacity, humility, and a commitment to succeed. While the future of work is uncertain, these are exciting times for aspiring entrepreneurs and business builders.

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Fwd: HEAD OF PARTNER OPERATIONS
by Ali Hussein 11 Jul '16

11 Jul '16

Listers FYI. Send application directly to jobs(a)sendy.co.ke or amesh(a)sendy.co.ke. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad

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Fwd: [Internet Policy] Call for Applications- Centre for Communication Governance Cybersecurity Team
by Barrack Otieno 11 Jul '16

11 Jul '16

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Puneeth Nagaraj" <puneeth.nagaraj(a)nludelhi.ac.in> Date: Jul 6, 2016 3:18 PM Subject: [Internet Policy] Call for Applications- Centre for Communication Governance Cybersecurity Team To: <bestbits(a)lists.bestbits.net>, "internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org" < internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org>, <governance(a)lists.igcaucus.org> Cc: *Apologies for cross-posting* Dear All, The Centre for Communication Governance at the National Law University, Delhi is inviting applications to our new cybersecurity team. We are looking for 3-4 researchers across different positions. Please circulate the call below within your networks. The deadline for applications in 10th July, 2016. http://ccgdelhi.org/doc/Updated%20Cyber%20Security%20Call%20for%20Applicati… Best, Puneeth -- Puneeth Nagaraj | Senior Fellow Centre for Communication Governance | National Law University, Delhi | Sector-14, Dwarka, New Delhi - 110078 | Cell: (+91) 956-091-4899 | Fax: (+91) 11-280-34256 | www.ccgdelhi.org . <http://goog_561379142/> www.nludelhi.ac.in | <https://twitter.com/CCGDelhi> _______________________________________________ To manage your ISOC subscriptions or unsubscribe, please log into the ISOC Member Portal: https://portal.isoc.org/ Then choose Interests & Subscriptions from the My Account menu.

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
by awatila＠yahoo.co.uk 10 Jul '16

10 Jul '16

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Re: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
by Paul Korir 08 Jul '16

08 Jul '16

Listers, Article 4 clause (1) (e) of the proposed law states the Council of the proposed Institute shall consist of... "five persons of good professional standing nominated by the *Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya*" [emphasis added] which elevates ICTAK (a members' society) to the level of a statutory body! Clearly ICTAK is trying to entrench themselves into a legal body. Not good. With kind regards, Paul K. Korir <http://www.paulkorir.com> +353 86 224 19 66 *Ordnung muß sein* On 8 July 2016 at 10:41, <kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION > TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA > (Ephraim Percy Kenyanito) > 2. Re: Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION > TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA (waudo siganga) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:30:22 +0300 > From: Ephraim Percy Kenyanito <ephraim(a)accessnow.org> > To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION > COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA > Message-ID: > <CA+pBW0HtCeUdp5BG7WHFy2E62=YixFcSV36Nr2L=-S3L357= > RQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > +1 to Michuki and Kivuva. > > E > > -- > Best Regards, > > *Ephraim Percy Kenyanito* > Sub-Saharan Africa Policy Analyst/ Mchambuzi wa Sera Afrika Kusini ya > Sahara > Access Now | accessnow.org > > @ekenyanito > PGP: E6BA8DC1 > Fingerprint: B0FA394AF73DEB7AA1FDC7360CFED26DE6BA8DC1 > > *Subscribe *to the Access Now Express > <https://www.accessnow.org/campaign/#sign-up>, our weekly newsletter on > digital rights > *Sign up* for our action alerts <https://www.accessnow.org/campaign/> > > On 8 July 2016 at 12:25, Liz Orembo via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > > > Who are the members of ICTAK? Has anyone managed to check on their > website? > > > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Tony White via kictanet < > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > >> Another piece of absolute nonsense. Our ICT sector is too dynamic at > >> present, compared with the other professions cited, which are settled > >> and well established ...and are slow to change. The ICTAK is in > >> favour of this because it promotes *their* agenda, which is not > >> aligned with the profession as a whole - indeed, I suspect they are > >> behind the bill's creation. > >> > >> Let's hope that CS Mucheru - who has stated that the bill is not > >> ministry or government policy - will push for the rejection of the > >> bill when it comes to a vote in the national assembly. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Tony > >> > >> > >> > >> On 08/07/2016, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet > >> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> > @Waudo, > >> > > >> > The industry has tackled the bill on multiple fronts. There have been > >> > memoranda from multiple sources to parliament in rejection of the bill > >> in > >> > totality. Distinguished progressive Members of the National Assembly > >> have > >> > also been contacted to fight for the interests of the community, and > >> moreso > >> > the youth. All this effort culminated with the CS of ICT issuing the > >> > statement that went out on Wednesday. > >> > > >> > On that note, and to strengthen the process, it would be great if CSK > >> > approach it's lawyers, and members, and also submits a response to the > >> > Clerk of the National Assembly. Together we are stronger. > >> > > >> > Sincerely, > >> > > >> > ______________________ > >> > Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya > >> > twitter.com/lordmwesh > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 8 July 2016 at 10:37, waudo siganga via kictanet < > >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Ali, Koris, Ngigi, and others - I hope we still get some advise from > >> our > >> >> ICT legal minds e.g. Bomu, Muriungi, Sihanhya, etc. in order to have > a > >> >> structured way forward Where, for example, and in what format does > one > >> >> present objections to the MPs since the bill has already been rushed > >> >> there? Is it too late to stop the MPs from even considering it? How > >> come > >> >> the CS has disowned it and yet it is still moving forward? > >> >> > >> >> W. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet wrote: > >> >> > Ali, > >> >> > > >> >> > It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from! > >> >> > > >> >> > And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at which > >> >> > technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and legal > >> >> > frameworks?..." clearly does *not* understand technology, which > >> always > >> >> > outstrips policy & legal frameworks. > >> >> > > >> >> > If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft > the > >> >> > most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can?. Just don't > >> >> > impose > >> >> > them onto the rest of us. > >> >> > > >> >> > On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses, > is > >> it > >> >> > legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they represent > ICT > >> >> > practitioners in Kenya, which the do not. > >> >> > > >> >> > Waithaka Ngigi > >> >> > > >> >> > Alliance Technologies > >> >> > www.at.co.ke > >> >> > Original Message > >> >> > From: Ali Hussein via kictanet > >> >> > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM > >> >> > To: Ngigi Waithaka > >> >> > Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > >> >> > Cc: Ali Hussein > >> >> > Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION > >> >> > TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA > >> >> > > >> >> > Listers > >> >> > > >> >> > Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's > not > >> >> > let > >> >> > up on this. > >> >> > > >> >> > Ali Hussein > >> >> > Principal > >> >> > Hussein & Associates > >> >> > +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 > >> >> > > >> >> > Twitter: @AliHKassim > >> >> > Skype: abu-jomo > >> >> > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and > >> thinking > >> >> > what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi > >> >> > > >> >> > Sent from my iPad > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > kictanet mailing list > >> >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >> >> > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >> >> > > >> >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan… > >> >> > > >> >> > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > >> platform > >> >> > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy > and > >> >> > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the > >> ICT > >> >> > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > >> >> > development. > >> >> > > >> >> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > >> behaviors > >> >> > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > >> >> > bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, > >> >> > respect > >> >> > privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> kictanet mailing list > >> >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >> >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >> >> > >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >> >> > >> > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kivuva%40transworldaf… > >> >> > >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform > >> >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > >> >> regulation. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > >> > >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, > >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, > do > >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards. > > Liz. > > > > PGP ID: 0x1F3488BF > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ephraim%40accessnow.o… > > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > > regulation. 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Fw: [Skunkworks] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill
by Watila Alex 08 Jul '16

08 Jul '16

fyi, not sure if it was already shared here. regards Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, 8 Jul, 2016 at 10:32, Josiah Mugambi<josiah.mugambi(a)gmail.com> wrote: There's already a memo done by a cross section of people. I think the link had been shared for contributions. Here is it again: http://bit.ly/ICTBillKE - still live. Attached is a PDF of what has been submitted via email to the ICT, Energy sub committee in Bunge. The deadline for submissions was 7th July. On Jul 8, 2016 09:45, "Okechukwu via skunkworks" <skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: I pray that the 'activists' who have been leading the assault on twitter now see that this is the right avenue to air their concerns - Can one of the 'activists' lead us in preparing a memorandum on the same? ./Ok3ch On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:36 PM, awatila--- via skunkworks <skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: See enclosed. Submission of views have been invited. Will skunkworks make any formal submission to the departmental committee working on the bill Regards, Sent from Samsung tablet On Jul 6, 2016 11:59 PM, awatila--- via skunkworks <skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: #KillTheICTBill just started trending with 11150 tweets. https://twitter.com/trendinaliaKE/status/750765817957003264 Sent from Samsung tablet On Jul 6, 2016 6:49 PM, Solomon Kariri via skunkworks <skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

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Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
by Ali Hussein 08 Jul '16

08 Jul '16

Listers Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's not let up on this. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad >

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Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
by Paul Korir 08 Jul '16

08 Jul '16

Listers, Has ICTAK failed to appeal to ICT practitioners’ interests as a society and resorted to legal regulation? I’ve seen similar innuendo coming from CSK (the Kenya Accreditation Agency Bill or something like that). They clearly don’t represent the entire ICT community. This is truly disturbing and not worthy the debate it has raised. Regards, Dr. Paul Korir, PhD +44 7780 283 183 +254 72 400 4767 Ordnung muß sein > On 8 Jul 2016, at 07:12, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: > > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY > (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA (Ali Hussein) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:08:14 +0300 > From: Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> > To: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke, isoc(a)lists.my.co.ke > Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION > TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA > Message-ID: <163E16D7-C277-4875-89A8-6E2612A75ADF(a)hussein.me.ke> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Listers > > Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's not let up on this. > > Ali Hussein > Principal > Hussein & Associates > +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > Skype: abu-jomo > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > > "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi > > Sent from my iPad > >> >

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Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 110, Issue 85
by Wangari Kabiru 07 Jul '16

07 Jul '16

Blessed Thursday! Stella, a valuable quote! Until this community of Techies starts speaking and acting OUT there, it is propagating injustice to the masses whose lives would be uplifted from their work. On the ground, we still have masses of people for whom ICTs in today's form is unreachable. Numerous applications of ICTs to our peoples way of life, still yet to be cracked and not the vice versa. The level of scaling of solutions designed is too slow and low. It doesn't have to be the case! We have the right people and skills, bring it on! PS: And everyone should still have the opportunities to advance schooling.... Be blessed. Regards/Wangari On Jul 7, 2016 09:49, Stellar Murumba via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Allow me to share this > > > > "Until you dig a hole, you plant a tree, you water it and make it survive, you haven't done a thing. You are just talking." > Wangari Maathai > Founder, > Greenbelt Movement and Nobel Laureate > P THINK GREEN. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to! > > On 6 July 2016 at 23:32, Kelvin Mutuma via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >> This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke) Add cleanup rule | More info >> >> Here is something I shared on the NairobiGNU mailing list before I joined this forum. >> >> If this bill existed in some countries, including the USA. We would probably not have the following companies >> >> 1. Apple - Started by Steve Jobs who dropped out of college. >> 2. Microsoft - Started by Bill Gates who dropped out of Harvard. Paul Allen the co-founder was also a dropout >> 3. Facebook - Started by Mark Zuckerberg who dropped out of Havard >> 4. Dell - Started by Micheal Dell who dropped out of University of Texas. >> 5. Twitter, Square - The current CEO, Jack Dorsey who dropped out of NYU. Twitter co-founder Evan Williams also dropped out of college. >> 6. Oracle - Larry Elison dropped out of University of Chicago. >> 7. Plaxo, Napster, Airtime - Formed by Sean Parker who never attended college. He was also an early employee of Facebook >> 8. WhatsApp - Jan Koum, the founder is also a drop out of San Jose State University >> 9. Asana - Dustin Moskovitz who was also the first employee of facebook dropped out of Harvard in his sophomore year. >> 10. Nintendo - The 3rd president, Hiroshi Yamauchi, a dropout of Waseda University was responsible for converting the then small card-making company to a gaming powerhouse >> 11. Valve Corporation - Gabe Newell was a havard dropout. Valve is responsible for the Half-Life game series and Gabe was also the founder of Steam. >> 12. Wipro - Azim Premji was a dropout at Stanford. He later went back to finish school after he was tired of being called a "College Dropout" >> 13. Tumblr - David Karp founded this at 15 >> 14. Digg - Kevin Rose, dropped out of the University of Nevada. >> 15. Reddit - co-founder, Aaron Hillel Swartz was a drop out. We was also a major contributer to Creative Common license, the markdown standard and RSS which has revolutionalized how we get news. >> 16. Bittorrent - Bram Cohen dropped out of SUNY Buffalo >> 17. Threadless, the community based t-shirt company >> 18. Disney - Walt Disney was a drop out. >> >> >> I am sure I have missed a few more large companies. >> Not to mention the thousands of contributors to open source and people working in both large and small IT firms that are in high school, currently in college and those that dropped out. Also other ‘uncertified’ people that were part of the founding teams of these companies that we’ve never heard of. >> >> >>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:20 PM, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: >>> >>> Send kictanet mailing list submissions to >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views (Harry Delano) >>> 2. Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's View (Paul Korir) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 21:54:00 +0300 >>> From: Harry Delano <harry26001(a)gmail.com> >>> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAFOGoAWcbfeb4HFwzuE0jaVf+FuAbCdZkG0aer1tyOPXvX-2mw(a)mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Always good to have you back, Bwana Daktari. We miss your valuable & >>> insightful contributions of yore.. >>> >>> I was just about to respond to Kulubi's contribution, when your post came >>> up. It aptly sums it up..! In an earlier post I alluded to some 14 years >>> that have been nothing short of a truly amazing, tremendous story in the >>> ICT space, why..? Because during this time, the previously heavily >>> regulated space opened up and was liberalized and from there on, there was >>> no looking back, and everyone can attest to the achievements to date in the >>> sector. Again why..? Because, while those with regulatory mandate and >>> oversight had all within their power to further stifle innovation and >>> growth, they instead wisely chose to only promote a regulatory framework >>> that sought to create an enabling environment for this space to thrive. And >>> towards this, you played your rightful role, facilitating and engaging >>> constantly with stakeholders even right here on this forum. With one >>> single stroke of a pen, we can build on or lay to waste post-haste what we >>> achieved over the period. So be forewarned.. But again, who is listening >>> out here..?? >>> >>> >>> Thanks James for putting the whole bill into perspective.. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Harry >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Bitange Ndemo via kictanet < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Here we shall kill innovation and set ourselves back to 25 years ago. >>>> Good people, let us stop this by all means. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ndemo. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:41 PM, James Kulubi via kictanet < >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The fact that the Bill has been presented to Parliament before the ICT >>>>> Policy review process is completed means that it will be very difficult to >>>>> administer it when enacted into law. Usually, the policy sets vision and >>>>> mission for the sector for a foreseeable future. The policy may have a >>>>> human resource development component. The policy is then implemented >>>>> through legislation, government budget and regulations. When I read the >>>>> reason and memorandum of the bill, the only policy statement that I can see >>>>> is ?to establish a legal framework for the training, registration, >>>>> licensing, practice and standards of Information Communication Technology >>>>> (ICT) professionals in Kenya.? >>>>> The ICT practitioners bill therefore creates some unusual situation. >>>>> Those who can remember, we in the ICT sector faced a similar situation in >>>>> the period 2005 ? 2007. There were many people supporting the legislation >>>>> of the Media Bill but there were serious disagreements on the media council >>>>> membership; licensing of media practitioners; the role of the government; >>>>> the role of the media owners; regulation of print and electronic media, >>>>> offences, and the financing of the Council. >>>>> The government, for instance, while supporting the establishment of the >>>>> Media Council, did not want the Council to be financed from foreign >>>>> sources. On the other hand, some media practitioners did not want to be >>>>> financed by the government. The middle ground was funding by member >>>>> subscriptions and accreditation. This too was opposed by many media >>>>> practitioners. >>>>> Eventually, a policy was developed through public consultation covering >>>>> such aspects as media ownership, accreditation of journalists, code of >>>>> conduct of journalists and the broadcasting code, etc. >>>>> In my view the policy informing the ICT professional bill should have >>>>> borrowed heavily from the outcome of current ICT policy review process and >>>>> been subjected to wider stakeholder consultation. The following issues, for >>>>> instance, require wider consultation. >>>>> 1. The definition provided for ICT practitioner which I quote ?ICT >>>>> practitioner (ICTP)" means a person registered under this Act as an ICT >>>>> practitioner who is also licensed under section 20 to practice? is vague, >>>>> misleading and may be viewed as discriminating. >>>>> 2. Many ICT professionals qualify or are already registered by other >>>>> organizations. These include those in fields like Telecommunication >>>>> Engineering, Computer Engineering, Medical Information Systems, financial >>>>> information systems, etc. >>>>> 3. The eligibility for registration which is stated as ?holder of at >>>>> least a bachelor's degree in an ICT related field from a recognized >>>>> university,? is vague and can be abused. Already, we have other fields like >>>>> engineering where applicants for registration are suffering due to this >>>>> condition. Graduates from countries like USSR which offer MSc as first >>>>> degrees cannot be registered. Similarly, those with Higher National Diploma >>>>> who have gone ahead to get MSc and even PhD cannot be registered! Further, >>>>> in some universities like Maseno all degree programmes have an extension >>>>> ?with ICT.? How will the Council treat these degrees? >>>>> 4. Technologists have drafted another bill which is before Parliament. >>>>> How will the Technologists bill co-exist with the ICT practitioners bill? >>>>> 5. There are many institutions carrying out institutional accreditation >>>>> and certification of ICT practitioners. How will such accreditation and >>>>> certification be treated by the Council? >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Prof. James Kulubi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, 6 July 2016, 19:10, Wangari Kabiru via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Blessed Wednesday! >>>>> A handshake to the 2014 article! >>>>> There is a great opportunity for Techies to take their rightful place as >>>>> professionals and be invited to give valued contributions to the nation >>>>> building table. >>>>> As I said earlier, non-Techs will be there. Perhaps another >>>>> classification within the broader "ICT Professional". >>>>> *ICT Practitioners - sounds like a very broad term to attempt to compact >>>>> and create shared guidelines/standards. >>>>> On the said ICT Practitioners Bill - it seems that part of the issue is >>>>> with regard to who is/are behind it. All in all, to have gotten a hearing, >>>>> it means this is an organised group. >>>>> Which is perhaps what this community might seek to engage with and build >>>>> together before "shooting the innovator". >>>>> Blessed day. >>>>> Regards/Wangari >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016 15:47, Alex Watila via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Walu, >>>>> What is the way forward on the bill? >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Alex >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Walubengo J [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM >>>>> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>>>> *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis(a)gmail.com>; Alex Watila < >>>>> awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>>>> *Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views >>>>> >>>>> @Alex, @Muthuri, >>>>> >>>>> Thnx for 'bursting' me @ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208f… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jkulubi%40yahoo.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>> >>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bndemo%40bitangendemo… >>>>> >>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>> >>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry26001%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>> >>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>> >>>

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
by Wangari Kabiru 07 Jul '16

07 Jul '16

Blessed Thursday! Greetings Sidney! I refer to your last para on existence of this community as the multistakeholder platform. I concur by saying it HAS GOT the potential, however it is not yet/not doing it; 1. Look at the contributions to the ICT Policy. If we consider this policy would be the gameplan and Kenya's gamechanger for the next couple of years - probably about 20pax, 40pax... lent their voice through this medium. Well perhaps others had other avenues Come the Practitioners Bill, and we have a good flood across all social media. Well this may be viewed to hit directly right at the bread and butter and the innovative future. 2. For the ICT Practitioners Bill circulated to have reached as far as it is now in its current state even if it were not from practitioners then "where was this community of practitioners"? This is a BIG question as this community has great Techies. Or it points to a disconnect with policy and policy making and as such something to work on. 3. Who is/are behind the Practitioners Bill? Every paper has a face of persons to it and the spirit behind it. That has not been raised here so as to interrogate/engage with them whether they are part of this community or not. I suspect we have barely had a scratch of the ICT potentials to jerk our country's development. I say again, yes the potential is there and this community would offer great service to the nation. Be blessed. Regards/WangariOn Jul 6, 2016 23:33, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > I'm now putting the blame for this bill squarely on you Walu. Your article seems to be describing exactly the bill's contents, they just switched out professionals for practitioners😊. > Now let me go into why you're wrong: > So far, there has been no Act of Parliament that would empower a particular organisation to regulate ICT professionals in Kenya and speak on their behalf. As the country adopts more and more technology, the absence of a statutory body mandated to provide leadership in the ICT space will become more pronounced. > I have to ask why we need one body to speak for ICT professionals? We've had instances in which the professional bodies have been wrong, or have pushed agendas that put short term profit ahead of public good. > Do you know why bodies for lawyers, doctors and accountants exist? Because these are professions that have existed for ever, figuratively. They have well established norms and methods. They're also extremely slow to innovate. ICT, in all it's forms has barely been around for 60 years and is still evolving. Give ICT another century to settle. > > Already, many examples that would have benefited from an objective, non-political analysis from ICT professionals have come and gone. The Laptop procurement saga, the spectacular failure of the IEBC electronic systems, and practically all the Anglo “fleecing” ICT-related projects quickly come to mind. > Would these projects have turned out differently if the individual ICT professionals involved knew that a statutory ICT professional body could revoke their licence to practice if at all they were found culpable of professional misconduct? > No these projects would not have turned out differently, malpractice exists doesn't matter if you have a certificate or not. Infact having a certificate may lead people not to scrutinise the work of these professional carefully and sanction mediocrity. > > The one reason you seem to have for such a body in law is so that the interests of ICT professionals can be represented however we have the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) described as a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation, and it seems to be doing a decent job without legislation to "legitimise" it. > > On 6 July 2016 at 15:26, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >> @Alex, @Muthuri, >> >> Thnx for 'bursting' me @ >>>> >>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208f… >> >> It does seem the Internet does not forget :-) >> >> Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments. >> >> However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it. >> >> In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through. >> >> So there you have it :-) >> >> walu. >> >>

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Comments on the statement by CS Mucheru on the ICT Practitioners Bill
by Tony White 07 Jul '16

07 Jul '16

I welcome the statement by CS Mucheru, clarifying the Ministry's, and the government's position that this private member's bill, introduced by Aden Duale, is at odds with ICT policy. What is not clear is whether the Ministry's intention is to kill this bill, or to subject it to modification. Let's be clear - this bill is an abhorrence to our hard-won freedoms, and should not go forward in any form. I would like to propose that KICTANET be formalised, with kictanet's original founders as the initial board, and be registered as a society with paying members. I'm sure others on this list, better qualified in such matters than I, can draw up an appropriate memorandum for such a society. If the membership fee is nominal - say, 500 or 1000 bob per annum - I think many 'ICT Practitioners' will join. Cheers, Tony -- Tony White

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
by Paul Korir 07 Jul '16

07 Jul '16

And... 3. Does it make us better or worse off? With kind regards, Paul K Korir, PhD Ordnung muß sein > On 7 Jul 2016, at 07:56, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: > > Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
by awatila＠yahoo.co.uk 07 Jul '16

07 Jul '16

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Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 110, Issue 85
by Stellar Murumba 07 Jul '16

07 Jul '16

Allow me to share this *"Until you dig a hole, you plant a tree, you water it and make it survive, you haven't done a thing. You are just talking."Wangari MaathaiFounder, Greenbelt Movement and Nobel Laureate P** THINK GREEN. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to!* On 6 July 2016 at 23:32, Kelvin Mutuma via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > [image: Boxbe] <https://www.boxbe.com/overview> This message is eligible > for Automatic Cleanup! (kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke) Add cleanup rule > <https://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Fkey…> > | More info > <http://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=26004767399…> > > Here is something I shared on the NairobiGNU mailing list before I joined > this forum. > > If this bill existed in some countries, including the USA. We would > probably not have the following companies > > 1. *Apple* - Started by Steve Jobs who dropped out of college. > 2. *Microsoft* - Started by Bill Gates who dropped out of Harvard. Paul > Allen the co-founder was also a dropout > 3. *Facebook* - Started by Mark Zuckerberg who dropped out of Havard > 4. *Dell* - Started by Micheal Dell who dropped out of University of > Texas. > 5. *Twitter, Square* - The current CEO, Jack Dorsey who dropped out of > NYU. Twitter co-founder Evan Williams also dropped out of college. > 6. *Oracle* - Larry Elison dropped out of University of Chicago. > 7. *Plaxo, Napster, Airtime *- Formed by Sean Parker who never attended > college. He was also an early employee of Facebook > 8. *WhatsApp* - Jan Koum, the founder is also a drop out of San Jose > State University > 9. *Asana* - Dustin Moskovitz who was also the first employee of facebook > dropped out of Harvard in his sophomore year. > 10. *Nintendo* - The 3rd president, Hiroshi Yamauchi, a dropout of Waseda > University was responsible for converting the then small card-making > company to a gaming powerhouse > 11. *Valve Corporation* - Gabe Newell was a havard dropout. Valve is > responsible for the Half-Life game series and Gabe was also the founder of > Steam. > 12. *Wipro* - Azim Premji was a dropout at Stanford. He later went back > to finish school after he was tired of being called a "College Dropout" > 13. *Tumblr* - David Karp founded this at 15 > 14. *Digg* - Kevin Rose, dropped out of the University of Nevada. > 15. *Reddit* - co-founder, Aaron Hillel Swartz was a drop out. We was > also a major contributer to Creative Common license, the markdown standard > and RSS which has revolutionalized how we get news. > 16. *Bittorrent* - Bram Cohen dropped out of SUNY Buffalo > 17. *Threadless*, the community based t-shirt company > 18. *Disney* - Walt Disney was a drop out. > > > I am sure I have missed a few more large companies. > Not to mention the thousands of contributors to open source and people > working in both large and small IT firms that are in high school, currently > in college and those that dropped out. Also other ‘uncertified’ people that > were part of the founding teams of these companies that we’ve never heard > of. > > > On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:20 PM, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: > > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views (Harry Delano) > 2. Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's View (Paul Korir) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 21:54:00 +0300 > From: Harry Delano <harry26001(a)gmail.com> > To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views > Message-ID: > <CAFOGoAWcbfeb4HFwzuE0jaVf+FuAbCdZkG0aer1tyOPXvX-2mw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Always good to have you back, Bwana Daktari. We miss your valuable & > insightful contributions of yore.. > > I was just about to respond to Kulubi's contribution, when your post came > up. It aptly sums it up..! In an earlier post I alluded to some 14 years > that have been nothing short of a truly amazing, tremendous story in the > ICT space, why..? Because during this time, the previously heavily > regulated space opened up and was liberalized and from there on, there was > no looking back, and everyone can attest to the achievements to date in the > sector. Again why..? Because, while those with regulatory mandate and > oversight had all within their power to further stifle innovation and > growth, they instead wisely chose to only promote a regulatory framework > that sought to create an enabling environment for this space to thrive. And > towards this, you played your rightful role, facilitating and engaging > constantly with stakeholders even right here on this forum. With one > single stroke of a pen, we can build on or lay to waste post-haste what we > achieved over the period. So be forewarned.. But again, who is listening > out here..?? > > > Thanks James for putting the whole bill into perspective.. > > Regards, > Harry > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Bitange Ndemo via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Here we shall kill innovation and set ourselves back to 25 years ago. > Good people, let us stop this by all means. > > > Ndemo. > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:41 PM, James Kulubi via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > The fact that the Bill has been presented to Parliament before the ICT > Policy review process is completed means that it will be very difficult to > administer it when enacted into law. Usually, the policy sets vision and > mission for the sector for a foreseeable future. The policy may have a > human resource development component. The policy is then implemented > through legislation, government budget and regulations. When I read the > reason and memorandum of the bill, the only policy statement that I can see > is ?to establish a legal framework for the training, registration, > licensing, practice and standards of Information Communication Technology > (ICT) professionals in Kenya.? > The ICT practitioners bill therefore creates some unusual situation. > Those who can remember, we in the ICT sector faced a similar situation in > the period 2005 ? 2007. There were many people supporting the legislation > of the Media Bill but there were serious disagreements on the media council > membership; licensing of media practitioners; the role of the government; > the role of the media owners; regulation of print and electronic media, > offences, and the financing of the Council. > The government, for instance, while supporting the establishment of the > Media Council, did not want the Council to be financed from foreign > sources. On the other hand, some media practitioners did not want to be > financed by the government. The middle ground was funding by member > subscriptions and accreditation. This too was opposed by many media > practitioners. > Eventually, a policy was developed through public consultation covering > such aspects as media ownership, accreditation of journalists, code of > conduct of journalists and the broadcasting code, etc. > In my view the policy informing the ICT professional bill should have > borrowed heavily from the outcome of current ICT policy review process and > been subjected to wider stakeholder consultation. The following issues, for > instance, require wider consultation. > 1. The definition provided for ICT practitioner which I quote ?ICT > practitioner (ICTP)" means a person registered under this Act as an ICT > practitioner who is also licensed under section 20 to practice? is vague, > misleading and may be viewed as discriminating. > 2. Many ICT professionals qualify or are already registered by other > organizations. These include those in fields like Telecommunication > Engineering, Computer Engineering, Medical Information Systems, financial > information systems, etc. > 3. The eligibility for registration which is stated as ?holder of at > least a bachelor's degree in an ICT related field from a recognized > university,? is vague and can be abused. Already, we have other fields like > engineering where applicants for registration are suffering due to this > condition. Graduates from countries like USSR which offer MSc as first > degrees cannot be registered. Similarly, those with Higher National Diploma > who have gone ahead to get MSc and even PhD cannot be registered! Further, > in some universities like Maseno all degree programmes have an extension > ?with ICT.? How will the Council treat these degrees? > 4. Technologists have drafted another bill which is before Parliament. > How will the Technologists bill co-exist with the ICT practitioners bill? > 5. There are many institutions carrying out institutional accreditation > and certification of ICT practitioners. How will such accreditation and > certification be treated by the Council? > Best regards, > Prof. James Kulubi > > > On Wednesday, 6 July 2016, 19:10, Wangari Kabiru via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > Blessed Wednesday! > A handshake to the 2014 article! > There is a great opportunity for Techies to take their rightful place as > professionals and be invited to give valued contributions to the nation > building table. > As I said earlier, non-Techs will be there. Perhaps another > classification within the broader "ICT Professional". > *ICT Practitioners - sounds like a very broad term to attempt to compact > and create shared guidelines/standards. > On the said ICT Practitioners Bill - it seems that part of the issue is > with regard to who is/are behind it. All in all, to have gotten a hearing, > it means this is an organised group. > Which is perhaps what this community might seek to engage with and build > together before "shooting the innovator". > Blessed day. > Regards/Wangari > On Jul 6, 2016 15:47, Alex Watila via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Thanks Walu, > What is the way forward on the bill? > > Regards, > > Alex > > > *From:* Walubengo J [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM > *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis(a)gmail.com>; Alex Watila < > awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk> > *Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views > > @Alex, @Muthuri, > > Thnx for 'bursting' me @ > > > > http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208f… > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jkulubi%40yahoo.co.uk > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bndemo%40bitangendemo… > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry26001%40gmail.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > >

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Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
by Harry 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Hey Alex, Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector. So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..? Harry On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Walu, > Do you need to defend yourself? > > http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208f… > > Regards, > > Alex > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Watila [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM > To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001(a)gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' <muthuridennis(a)gmail.com> > Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions > > Dear All, > I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws." > > It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority. > > Regards, > > Alex > https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash > > > -----Original Message----- > From: kictanet [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM > To: awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk > Cc: Harry <harry26001(a)gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions > > Hey Dennis, > > Welcome on board..! > > The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings. > > Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'.. > > Harry > > On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > > Hi Hary, > > > > Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Dennis > >> > >> On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: > >> > >> Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions > > > > > > Dennis Muthuri Mburugu > > Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awatila%40yahoo.co.uk > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >

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Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 110, Issue 85
by Kelvin Mutuma 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Here is something I shared on the NairobiGNU mailing list before I joined this forum. If this bill existed in some countries, including the USA. We would probably not have the following companies 1. Apple - Started by Steve Jobs who dropped out of college. 2. Microsoft - Started by Bill Gates who dropped out of Harvard. Paul Allen the co-founder was also a dropout 3. Facebook - Started by Mark Zuckerberg who dropped out of Havard 4. Dell - Started by Micheal Dell who dropped out of University of Texas. 5. Twitter, Square - The current CEO, Jack Dorsey who dropped out of NYU. Twitter co-founder Evan Williams also dropped out of college. 6. Oracle - Larry Elison dropped out of University of Chicago. 7. Plaxo, Napster, Airtime - Formed by Sean Parker who never attended college. He was also an early employee of Facebook 8. WhatsApp - Jan Koum, the founder is also a drop out of San Jose State University 9. Asana - Dustin Moskovitz who was also the first employee of facebook dropped out of Harvard in his sophomore year. 10. Nintendo - The 3rd president, Hiroshi Yamauchi, a dropout of Waseda University was responsible for converting the then small card-making company to a gaming powerhouse 11. Valve Corporation - Gabe Newell was a havard dropout. Valve is responsible for the Half-Life game series and Gabe was also the founder of Steam. 12. Wipro - Azim Premji was a dropout at Stanford. He later went back to finish school after he was tired of being called a "College Dropout" 13. Tumblr - David Karp founded this at 15 14. Digg - Kevin Rose, dropped out of the University of Nevada. 15. Reddit - co-founder, Aaron Hillel Swartz was a drop out. We was also a major contributer to Creative Common license, the markdown standard and RSS which has revolutionalized how we get news. 16. Bittorrent - Bram Cohen dropped out of SUNY Buffalo 17. Threadless, the community based t-shirt company 18. Disney - Walt Disney was a drop out. I am sure I have missed a few more large companies. Not to mention the thousands of contributors to open source and people working in both large and small IT firms that are in high school, currently in college and those that dropped out. Also other ‘uncertified’ people that were part of the founding teams of these companies that we’ve never heard of. > On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:20 PM, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: > > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views (Harry Delano) > 2. Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's View (Paul Korir) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 21:54:00 +0300 > From: Harry Delano <harry26001(a)gmail.com> > To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views > Message-ID: > <CAFOGoAWcbfeb4HFwzuE0jaVf+FuAbCdZkG0aer1tyOPXvX-2mw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Always good to have you back, Bwana Daktari. We miss your valuable & > insightful contributions of yore.. > > I was just about to respond to Kulubi's contribution, when your post came > up. It aptly sums it up..! In an earlier post I alluded to some 14 years > that have been nothing short of a truly amazing, tremendous story in the > ICT space, why..? Because during this time, the previously heavily > regulated space opened up and was liberalized and from there on, there was > no looking back, and everyone can attest to the achievements to date in the > sector. Again why..? Because, while those with regulatory mandate and > oversight had all within their power to further stifle innovation and > growth, they instead wisely chose to only promote a regulatory framework > that sought to create an enabling environment for this space to thrive. And > towards this, you played your rightful role, facilitating and engaging > constantly with stakeholders even right here on this forum. With one > single stroke of a pen, we can build on or lay to waste post-haste what we > achieved over the period. So be forewarned.. But again, who is listening > out here..?? > > > Thanks James for putting the whole bill into perspective.. > > Regards, > Harry > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Bitange Ndemo via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> Here we shall kill innovation and set ourselves back to 25 years ago. >> Good people, let us stop this by all means. >> >> >> Ndemo. >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:41 PM, James Kulubi via kictanet < >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >>> The fact that the Bill has been presented to Parliament before the ICT >>> Policy review process is completed means that it will be very difficult to >>> administer it when enacted into law. Usually, the policy sets vision and >>> mission for the sector for a foreseeable future. The policy may have a >>> human resource development component. The policy is then implemented >>> through legislation, government budget and regulations. When I read the >>> reason and memorandum of the bill, the only policy statement that I can see >>> is ?to establish a legal framework for the training, registration, >>> licensing, practice and standards of Information Communication Technology >>> (ICT) professionals in Kenya.? >>> The ICT practitioners bill therefore creates some unusual situation. >>> Those who can remember, we in the ICT sector faced a similar situation in >>> the period 2005 ? 2007. There were many people supporting the legislation >>> of the Media Bill but there were serious disagreements on the media council >>> membership; licensing of media practitioners; the role of the government; >>> the role of the media owners; regulation of print and electronic media, >>> offences, and the financing of the Council. >>> The government, for instance, while supporting the establishment of the >>> Media Council, did not want the Council to be financed from foreign >>> sources. On the other hand, some media practitioners did not want to be >>> financed by the government. The middle ground was funding by member >>> subscriptions and accreditation. This too was opposed by many media >>> practitioners. >>> Eventually, a policy was developed through public consultation covering >>> such aspects as media ownership, accreditation of journalists, code of >>> conduct of journalists and the broadcasting code, etc. >>> In my view the policy informing the ICT professional bill should have >>> borrowed heavily from the outcome of current ICT policy review process and >>> been subjected to wider stakeholder consultation. The following issues, for >>> instance, require wider consultation. >>> 1. The definition provided for ICT practitioner which I quote ?ICT >>> practitioner (ICTP)" means a person registered under this Act as an ICT >>> practitioner who is also licensed under section 20 to practice? is vague, >>> misleading and may be viewed as discriminating. >>> 2. Many ICT professionals qualify or are already registered by other >>> organizations. These include those in fields like Telecommunication >>> Engineering, Computer Engineering, Medical Information Systems, financial >>> information systems, etc. >>> 3. The eligibility for registration which is stated as ?holder of at >>> least a bachelor's degree in an ICT related field from a recognized >>> university,? is vague and can be abused. Already, we have other fields like >>> engineering where applicants for registration are suffering due to this >>> condition. Graduates from countries like USSR which offer MSc as first >>> degrees cannot be registered. Similarly, those with Higher National Diploma >>> who have gone ahead to get MSc and even PhD cannot be registered! Further, >>> in some universities like Maseno all degree programmes have an extension >>> ?with ICT.? How will the Council treat these degrees? >>> 4. Technologists have drafted another bill which is before Parliament. >>> How will the Technologists bill co-exist with the ICT practitioners bill? >>> 5. There are many institutions carrying out institutional accreditation >>> and certification of ICT practitioners. How will such accreditation and >>> certification be treated by the Council? >>> Best regards, >>> Prof. James Kulubi >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, 6 July 2016, 19:10, Wangari Kabiru via kictanet < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Blessed Wednesday! >>> A handshake to the 2014 article! >>> There is a great opportunity for Techies to take their rightful place as >>> professionals and be invited to give valued contributions to the nation >>> building table. >>> As I said earlier, non-Techs will be there. Perhaps another >>> classification within the broader "ICT Professional". >>> *ICT Practitioners - sounds like a very broad term to attempt to compact >>> and create shared guidelines/standards. >>> On the said ICT Practitioners Bill - it seems that part of the issue is >>> with regard to who is/are behind it. All in all, to have gotten a hearing, >>> it means this is an organised group. >>> Which is perhaps what this community might seek to engage with and build >>> together before "shooting the innovator". >>> Blessed day. >>> Regards/Wangari >>> On Jul 6, 2016 15:47, Alex Watila via kictanet < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Walu, >>> What is the way forward on the bill? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> >>> *From:* Walubengo J [mailto:[email protected]] >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM >>> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis(a)gmail.com>; Alex Watila < >>> awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>> *Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views >>> >>> @Alex, @Muthuri, >>> >>> Thnx for 'bursting' me @ >>> >>> >>> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208f… >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jkulubi%40yahoo.co.uk >>> >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>> >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bndemo%40bitangendemo… >>> >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>> >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry26001%40gmail.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> >

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's View
by Paul Korir 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

This is sheer madness! We already have legislation (unconstitutional at that) requiring licensing of any kind of research (Science, Technology and Innovation Act of 2015, Article 12). Was this new dispensation aimed at regulating every liberty we have even those that are natural? Regulation always opens the door for bureaucratic abuse. This stinks of the same colonial attitude that prevented indigenous people from growing cash crops. Whoever came up with this bill was of the mindset 'if you can't innovate then ride in their coat tails'! Please can someone stop this madness?! With kind regards, Paul K Korir, PhD Ordnung muß sein > On 6 Jul 2016, at 19:44, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: > > Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's View

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
by Wangari Kabiru 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Blessed Wednesday! A handshake to the 2014 article! There is a great opportunity for Techies to take their rightful place as professionals and be invited to give valued contributions to the nation building table. As I said earlier, non-Techs will be there. Perhaps another classification within the broader "ICT Professional". *ICT Practitioners - sounds like a very broad term to attempt to compact and create shared guidelines/standards. On the said ICT Practitioners Bill - it seems that part of the issue is with regard to who is/are behind it. All in all, to have gotten a hearing, it means this is an organised group. Which is perhaps what this community might seek to engage with and build together before "shooting the innovator". Blessed day. Regards/WangariOn Jul 6, 2016 15:47, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Thanks Walu, > > What is the way forward on the bill? > > > > Regards, > > > > Alex > > > > > > From: Walubengo J [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM > To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Cc: Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis(a)gmail.com>; Alex Watila <awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views > > > > @Alex, @Muthuri, > > > > Thnx for 'bursting' me @ >>> >>> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208f…

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Resource Alert: DIY Transparency Tool
by Nanjira Sambuli 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

(Apologies of already shared.) " The DIY Transparency Report tool helps smaller organizations produce holistic transparency reports. Such reports comprehensively explain to customers, citizens, and government agencies alike how an organization retains data, its policies for disclosing information to government agencies, and the regularity at which it does disclose information to such agencies. The tool is designed to guide organizations through the process of developing their own holistic report, while empowering them to customize their reports to reflect their organizational profile. And, critically, the tool is entirely open source and operates where the organization decides, so sensitive information is never disclosed to another party until the organization makes that decision." More at https://citizenlab.org/2016/06/release-diy-transparency-report-tool/ Regards, Nanjira. Sent from my iPhone.

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Re: [kictanet] KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE
by Stellar Murumba 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Haha I like this one Ahmed. If someone can still deliver to the core even without a degree, does his level of education really matter? Convince me... Sent from my iPhone > On 6 Jul 2016, at 6:25 AM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke) Add cleanup rule | More info > Perhaps the other simple question should be: If this was to happen. Shouldn't the ICT Ministry and ICT Authority get directly involved? > > I also have one more concern. With the technology arena, why are we going back to hacking Degrees and Diplomas as a pre-requisite to be a fully qualified practitioner? No offence, but doesn't that disqualify Bill Gates and Steve Jobs? > >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Erick Mwangi via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> Wow seems this has morphed tremendously.. >> >> I agree re-Twitter, it will create the necessary traction needed. >> >> Regards, >> >> Eric >> >>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> Hi Listers, >>> >>> If you desire to take this to Twitter in protest, kindly use the hashtag #KillTheICTBill >>> >>> Thanks Mr Mwendwa for those sentiments. Very insightful. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>>> On 5 Jul 2016, at 10:44 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva(a)transworldafrica.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, I have read the bill so that I cannot say "nilisomewa". It's quite short and I encourage everybody who is affected by it to read it. >>>> >>>> Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: >>>> 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute >>>> 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all ICT practitioners in Kenya? >>>> 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT practitioners on payment of annual fees. >>>> 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration as an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of them graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small way. >>>> 5. You must have five years experience to practice ICT. >>>> 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of permission-less innovation >>>> 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered by the Institute and has paid annual membership. >>>> 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT services, unless such person is licensed under this Act. >>>> >>>> So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed. >>>> >>>> Well this bill affects all techies and consultants alike. The bill makes it illegal to practice your trade without being licensed. It's preposterous at best, morally criminal maybe. It locks out opportunities for the young passionate innovators who do wonders without ever stepping in college. ICT allows these young fellows permission-less innovation. They sit behind a computer and write beautiful code that changes the world. It is heart-aching that those who thrived in an open dynamic ICT environment in Kenya now want to lock up the industry as a preserve of the few. Washindwe kabisa. >>>> >>>> Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your cool. We will deliver our petition to the relevant offices. >>>> >>>> Peace. >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________ >>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 5 July 2016 at 22:16, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> Hi Listers, >>>>> >>>>> This is a google doc(https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lZ8m3WSH2JQSzTMBC8bkLRH8y2zzjyM9Tzu… that has been created by Nanjira(https://twitter.com/NiNanjira). Kindly fill it with all questions you have regarding the Bill. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dennis Muthuri Mburugu >>>>> Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kivuva%40transworldaf… >>>>> >>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>> >>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>> >>> Dennis Muthuri Mburugu >>> Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/erick.mwangi%40gmail.… >>> >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>> >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ultimateprogramer%40g… >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > > > -- > Ahmed Maawy > Executive Director - SwahiliBox / M-Power (CBO) > Curator - Global Shapers Mombasa Hub > Ambassador - Open Knowledge > Director - Startup Grind Mombasa > Software Developer - AJ+ / EveryLayer > (KE) +254 714 960 627 > Skype: ultimateprogramer > > swahilibox.co.ke > globalshapers.org > www.okfn.org > startupgrind.com > ajplus.net > www.everylayer.com > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nstellarnelly%40gmail… > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
by Harry 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Hey Dennis, Welcome on board..! The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings. Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'.. Harry On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Hi Hary, > > Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter. > > Thanks. > > Dennis >> >> On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: >> >> Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online >> Discussions > > > Dennis Muthuri Mburugu > Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 > > > > >

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for license to practice!
by Dennis Muthuri 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Hi Listers, There's a figure of 46k per year quoted in the header above. I would appreciate if the person who stated that would clarify where they got the figure from, given the bill doesn't state a figure. Regards. On 6 Jul 2016 10:31 am, <kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions > (Harry Delano) > 2. Re: Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for > license to practice! (Alex Watila) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 09:26:06 +0300 > From: Harry Delano <harry26001(a)gmail.com> > To: Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online > Discussions > Message-ID: > < > CAFOGoAW706Q7_A7zzkG3+o6JfB2STpvJ3hSF5AagmiPnsyXEPQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello Walu, > > Clearly the furore this is generating now, is such an "unnecessary" > distraction at a time when the stakeholder community's focus has been > solely on the draft policy blue print. Why, pray, wasn't this incorporated > in the wider policy draft discussions ..! Sounds like a "spanner in the > works". Am sure a number of us were at the tail end of summing up our > submissions on the draft, then this...! > > Harry > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > Listers, > > > > We had wanted your full attention so that I can 'officially' declare the > > end of our online discussions on the Draft National ICT Policy. > > > > But clearly the proposed ICT practitioners Bill has stolen our thunder > :-) > > > > Either way, I thank all those who contributed as well as those who read > in > > silence :-). We shall have the compiled reports from the KICTAnet list > as > > a well as the Jadili platform by the end of the week for your perusal. > > > > Thereafter, we shall hold a face2face Validation Workshop at the > > Strathmore University at a date to be confirmed later on next week. > > However, you can tentatively keep your Wed 13th open as we firm up the > > date with the Ministry. > > > > All the best and thanx alot. > > > > Walu & Barrack > > on behalf of KICTAnet > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry26001%40gmail.com > > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, > > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > >

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Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
by Wangari Kabiru 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Blessed day! I do not think the national ICT Policy and practitioners are related. Said "ICT Practitioners" would not be the "only" persons with interest or affected by the national policy direction. I am yet to read the Practitioners Bill shared. What I know is that professions have "practice " Marketers,and Lawyers, HR Practitioners, Electricians are registered against certain standards which include academic and professional development. At the same time, more often than not, the "expert" Electrician when cables fall of is normally streetwise and may not be registered - gets job done. On the ICT practitioners end, a shared definition on ICT Practitioner is required so as to have a coherent discussion. Otherwise kila mmoja anachangia mada yake, kwani hatushikilii maana moja. And if ICT Practitioner has no definition, perhaps the drivers of the bill may have been attempting to give it a face. Blessed day. Regards/WangariOn Jul 6, 2016 11:14, Harry via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Hey Dennis, > > Welcome on board..! > > The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings. > > Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'.. > > Harry > > On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > > Hi Hary, > > > > Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Dennis > >> > >> On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: > >> > >> Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online > >> Discussions > > > > > > Dennis Muthuri Mburugu > > Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wangarikabiru%40yahoo… > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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FW: FW: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy
by Alex Watila 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

fyi From: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 10:24 AM To: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com Subject: Re: FW: [kictanet] [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy Interesting article. What it failed to mention was how successful those other bodies are at advocating for their respective profession. "Everyone else is doing it" is a bad argument IMHO. __________________________________________ Reuben Cummings Founder & Managing Director, Nerevu Development https://www.linkedin.com/company/nerevu +255 756 477 319 (vodacom) +255 789 477 319 (airtel) +254 703 576 035 (safaricom) +1 (234) 738-2266 (whatsapp) On Jul 5, 2016 11:01 PM, "Evanson Wachira" <evansonwachira(a)gmail.com <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: A likely source of where these ideas might have begun: http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208f… On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Alex Watila <awatila(a)gmail.com <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: FYI From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bawatila> =yahoo.co.uk(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 7:28 PM To: awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk <mailto:[email protected]> Cc: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu(a)gmail.com <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy Interesting developments Alex. My initial reaction after reading the Bill is, questions questions questions: First of all, why would anyone conceive such an idea? To cure what problem? How will it better society as a whole? If indeed there was a problem to be addressed, couldn't the same have been dealt with in the policy process first? Assuming this Bill emanated from the Ministry, why would the Ministry undertake a policy review process and at the same time undertake a legal process to regulate the profession? And why is regulation of ICT professionals not even mentioned in the draft policy? We are always ready to engage and I am shocked to have learnt of the process so far in the day. Or did ICT professionals have a processes the outcome of which is this Bill? Speaking of a profession, what is the ICT profession? I see the Bill has attempted a definition at section 2 but isn't ICTs the most dynamic and cross cutting "profession" we have? Was there a study done to support such a disruptive regulation of the profession? Are there other countries that regulate their geeks this much? So what informed this legislation? Think of all the young people who eke a living from ICT related businesses. Why would anyone want to subject all these youth, together with those graduating from colleges and universities to one more hurdle before they can start working? Can't we leave it to the market to separate the very good practitioners from the average ones? I do not understand the Kenyan obsession with ever regulating professions. What I know is that it is expensive for parents to perpetually pay fees before their (overgrown) children can finally get employment. It is also an additional cost to businesses as they have to foot the cost of compliance for the various professionals they employ or outsource. Finally, what are our legislative priorities in this sector? I would have thought the Data Protection framework is more urgent and maybe a Cyber Security one. While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association? Regards, 2016-07-05 14:03 GMT+03:00 Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:[email protected]> >: FYI -----Original Message----- From: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Tim Schofield Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:37 AM To: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy This could be a crushing blow to Kenya's ICT industry. If the USA had such a law then so many of their major ICT companies would never have happened. To name but 2, neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates gained any formal ICT qualifications, in fact neither of them passed a degree in anything. Several of the leading Linux kernel developers have no formal ICT training. Tim On 4 July 2016 at 14:04, Tony White <tony.mzungu(a)gmail.com <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > ...and *this*: > > http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo > mmunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf > > Which was introduced in the National Assembly last week, which will > rquire all ICT 'practitioners' to be licenced (annually!!) and > registered, with examination of qualifications, and ongoing > 'training'!! > > Phew!! > > Tony > > On 04/07/2016, Ibrahim Ng'eno <eebrah(a)gmail.com <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> Y'all have seen this[1], yes? >> >> [1] >> http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa >> l-ICT-Policy-20June2016.pdf >> >> -- Ibrahim >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com <mailto:nairobi-gnu%[email protected]> . >> To post to this group, send email to nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com <mailto:[email protected]> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Tony White > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com <mailto:nairobi-gnu%[email protected]> . > To post to this group, send email to nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com <mailto:[email protected]> . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Course View Towers, Plot 21 Yusuf Lule Road, Kampala T +256 (0) 312 314 418 M +256 (0) 752 963 325 www.weberpafrica.com <http://www.weberpafrica.com> Twitter: @TimSchofield2 Blog: http://weberpafrica.blogspot.co.uk/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. 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