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Re: [kictanet] Projects - National Implementation - ICT
by Harry Delano 26 Mar '10

26 Mar '10

Dear Ps, As you can, see I have changed the subject on this thread, so that the discussion is not only on a particular project,at the same time not to appear to send wrong connotations. We do not intend to cast aspersions on any personality. Frankly, what we concerned with here and would kindly request to be addressed, is the tendency by different govt. depts to assume "a go alone" approach on matters that involve a lot of stakeholders in different sectors nationally,only for such non consultative projects to hit several "dead ends" be declared non-starters with huge cost ramifications, wastage and credibility - At best they become "white elephants". Enough of these dot our national landscape, and it's just so saddening that we never seem to learn. There are very valid reasons for engaging, to consult widely. Sometimes, it is a good way to get a "Reality check" before jumping. As far as ICT is concerned, tools, brain resources to tap from and good will are widely available. We can ensure we make effort to have things done right. Possibly if all could adopt an "open door" policy, and engage just as you yourself have made effort to, then we would make a lot of progress. Just a thought. Regards, Harry -----Original Message----- From: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke [mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:09 PM To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus KIE is doing a great job on education content development. We have several joint initiatives. Next week March 29 -31 we have a major e-learning conference to showcase local digital content. You are all welcome. We shall make great progress if we begin by asking rather than complaining. Development is largely thinking positive and taking risk in good faith. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:17:22 To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus If I would look at it from another angle, I suppose also and I will keep on insisting - Let us please ensure for grand projects such as this that will impact on the nation, we develop a Multistakeholder approach, consult widely and sell the idea and also listen to other ideas out there,then settle on the best - in terms of feasibility,impact and cost effectiveness. I think while it is good to initiate good projects that stand to benefit the nation, it will be prudent also to develop a model that will ensure all angles of such projects are covered right through from the point of incubation to implementation. We are accustomed now to "Surprise projects" when least expected, which fade off as soon as they are mooted. While we on this topic, I posted earlier this morning an initiative by the Ministry of Education to digitalize the Academic curriculum in schools. For instance in this case, is the ministry of ICT Involved? What about other stakeholder...? What would this portend - especially for Educational Material /curriculum Publishers, who may lose a market share in the education sector? How feasible is it? What is the impact of the huge digital divide at present on such an initiative? What about broadband? Shouldn't we address this first..? Certainly a lot of questions..I think it would be advisable for the govt. organs to engage far & wide.. Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:29 PM To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus That is precisely my arguement for using those funds for training centers and Rural Internet Kiosks. These are designed to teach people computer and Internet skills. The people who are trained can then working in the schools, clinics, and other areas where ICTs can be used for development. Education must be viewed holistically to encompass the whole society not simply school children who can occassionally board the bus. In addition these projects are financially self sustaining after implementation and prove much needed employment. Let us consider the long term ramifications of our investments and ensure that we get the maximum impact. It is easier said than done, but if we do not begin the journey it will never be done. Blessings, Crystal Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:15:50 To: <crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus Robert, Things are not as easy as you write here. Today in Kenya you cannot try to do anything without taking into account of regional interests. I hope you are watching the constitutional process and the regional emotions. Imagine if we were to start with schools in the ASAL region promising to cover the entire country in the next five years. Consider that Ministry of Education does not have adequate number of teachers as we speak yet you will need at least one computer teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and 9,000 secondary schools. If we need to close the digital divide, we all must change. We must for example begin volunteering to teach both the students and the unemployed youth computers. By so doing, you will one day live to say what you did for your country. Like it is said "it is easier said than done". Regards Ndemo. > Hi, > > It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the Hon. > Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe > once bitten twice shy. > > The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 > Million which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per > province this was surely another scan in the making. I remember the > MP of Kisumu Hon. > Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self > seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of > sanity in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath. > > I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from > the mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the > books are left behind. > > With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with > 20 computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, > and many other thinks. > > Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to > meet the objectives. > > - 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M > - This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical > wiring & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m > which means we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 > screens/pcs. We could build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing > provided the interlocking soil block making machines > > - 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million > we which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need > to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing > devices that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. > With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA > which can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank. > > - 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, > printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local caching. > This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the > graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been > offered technical training. > > - 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified > in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide > enough computer teachers. > > - 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there > are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God > does not charge for solar, yet). > > The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be > made available to the community in the evenings and as digital > villages over the weekends where content can be generated, yes local > content (ask me for details). > > Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why > won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility > study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% > and well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already > consumed the 7 million. > > Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water > and writing materials for a bonding session. > > Regards > > > > Robert Yawe > KAY System Technologies Ltd > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > Kenya > > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change > your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.c > o.ke > ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafric a.org _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40comtelsys.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world"

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Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board?
by Harry Delano 26 Mar '10

26 Mar '10

Walu, Could you please "interpret", I think we lost you somewhere along the way.... It seems some kind of a "mishmash" Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:39 AM To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Yawe, Google brought me the official answer @ <http://www.ict.go.ke/index.php/theboard/our-mandate-a-objectives> http://www.ict.go.ke/index.php/theboard/our-mandate-a-objectives But I could add my own "unofficial" perspective/personal opinion which is that the ICT Board could be the Ministry of Information implementing agent for ICT Strategies/Projects/Activities. This could have been occasioned by the e-Government Secretariate and GITS (Government Info Technology Services) cold-war and power games that may have compromised on each others ability to deliver on technology enabled services for Government. walu. --- On Thu, 3/25/10, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 11:01 AM Who is ICT Board and what exactly is their mandate? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jwalu(a)yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com

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Re: [kictanet] At 24, Computer Society must go past collecting
by Francis.Hook＠gmail.com 25 Mar '10

25 Mar '10

Really interesting. Beyond the levity evident in the article, I think the issues she she raises are valid and merit sober discussion Francis Hook IDC East Africa 0733 504561 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:48:26 +0300 From: Agosta Liko <agostal(a)gmail.com> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] At 24, Computer Society must go past collecting fees Message-ID: <4632ba861003242148p2fea14d4id0cc6d028998ff77(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Interesting piece from today's Business Daily http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/At%2024%20Computer%20Society%20must%20go…

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Who is ICT Board?
by robert yawe 25 Mar '10

25 Mar '10

Who is ICT Board and what exactly is their mandate? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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At 24, Computer Society must go past collecting fees
by Agosta Liko 25 Mar '10

25 Mar '10

Interesting piece from today's Business Daily http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/At%2024%20Computer%20Society%20must%20go…

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GOK Shared Services conference
by robert yawe 25 Mar '10

25 Mar '10

Hi, It is interesting to see how Safaricom can quickly spot an opportunity and take advantage of it, during the Prime Ministers Round Table meting with the private sector on Monday it was proposed that the government needs to implement a shared services infrastructure with the objective of outsourcing. Today I read that Safaricom has organised a de-siloing session that will sensitize permanent secretaries on the need to share services to avoid duplication and increase efficiencies, this is a very commendable project. But I would like to bring to Safaricoms attention that the government has tried this many times before with a case in point being Nyayo House where a shared infrastructure was implemented to enable all ministries and other departments housed in the building to share services such as a central PBX and operators (call center), document production center and security. This worked for a short while after which individual ministerial interests took over and PBX systems started popping up all over the place. It is not that the government is not aware of how to implement a shared services infrastructure but that there is no will to do so, best of lack. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
by Shah, SurajX 25 Mar '10

25 Mar '10

Robert Yawe has done some serious homework on the proportions of the budget that can be allocated to ICT roll out in schools. However changes/improvements in ICT trends in Education, the technology involved and the methods applied dictate that these can be bettered such that for the same amounts we can reach more schools (and therefore more students), spend less on bricks and mortar, train more teachers on ICT and 21st Century skills. We can share with you best practices and experiences elsewhere. Regards Suraj Shah Corporate Affairs Manager Intel Corporation | Kenya | Office: 7th Floor, Purhsottam Place, Westlands Road next to CfC Stanbic Bank, Nairobi | Tel: +254 20 3601724 / 3601727 | Mobile: +254 722 412277 | Email: surajx.shah(a)intel.com -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+surajx.shah=intel.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+surajx.shah=intel.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:05 PM To: Shah, SurajX Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 34, Issue 84 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus (bitange(a)jambo.co.ke) 2. Re: Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus (Harry Delano) 3. Re: Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus (bitange(a)jambo.co.ke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:07:45 +0300 (EAT) From: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke To: crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org Cc: kictanet-bounces+crystal=voicesofafrica.org(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus Message-ID: <4e64551e391b9d49d83a194b1c863d54.squirrel(a)mail.jambo.co.ke> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Crystal, I understand your argument. The most amusing thing in all the bus discussion business, nobody ever asked for the concept paper to see why it was proposed. Now that I am beggining to understand the arguments advanced, I hope someone will share a white paper or prove of concept in our presentations. We shall get to learn more when we back our arguments with best practices elsewhere. Regards Ndemo. > That is precisely my arguement for using those funds for training centers > and Rural Internet Kiosks. These are designed to teach people computer and > Internet skills. The people who are trained can then working in the > schools, clinics, and other areas where ICTs can be used for development. > Education must be viewed holistically to encompass the whole society not > simply school children who can occassionally board the bus. In addition > these projects are financially self sustaining after implementation and > prove much needed employment. > > Let us consider the long term ramifications of our investments and ensure > that we get the maximum impact. It is easier said than done, but if we do > not begin the journey it will never be done. > > Blessings, > > Crystal > Sent from my BlackBerry? > > -----Original Message----- > From: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:15:50 > To: <crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus > > Robert, > Things are not as easy as you write here. Today in Kenya you cannot try > to do anything without taking into account of regional interests. I hope > you are watching the constitutional process and the regional emotions. > Imagine if we were to start with schools in the ASAL region promising to > cover the entire country in the next five years. Consider that Ministry > of Education does not have adequate number of teachers as we speak yet > you > will need at least one computer teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and > 9,000 secondary schools. > > If we need to close the digital divide, we all must change. We must for > example begin volunteering to teach both the students and the unemployed > youth computers. By so doing, you will one day live to say what you did > for your country. Like it is said "it is easier said than done". > > Regards > > > Ndemo. > > > > >> Hi, >> >> It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the >> Hon. >> Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe >> once >> bitten twice shy. >> >> The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 >> Million >> which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per province this >> was >> surely another scan in the making. I remember the MP of Kisumu Hon. >> Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self >> seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of >> sanity >> in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath. >> >> I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from >> the >> mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the books >> are left behind. >> >> With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with 20 >> computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, and >> many >> other thinks. >> >> Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to >> meet the objectives. >> >> - 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M >> - >> This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical >> wiring >> & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m which >> means >> we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 screens/pcs. We could >> build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing provided the >> interlocking >> soil block making machines >> >> - 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million >> we >> which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need to >> be >> low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing >> devices >> that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. >> With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA >> which >> can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank. >> >> - 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, >> printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local >> caching. >> This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the >> graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been >> offered technical training. >> >> - 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified in >> ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide enough >> computer teachers. >> >> - 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there >> are >> no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God does >> not charge for solar, yet). >> >> The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be made >> available to the community in the evenings and as digital villages over >> the weekends where content can be generated, yes local content (ask me >> for >> details). >> >> Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why >> won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility >> study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% >> and >> well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already >> consumed the 7 million. >> >> Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water and >> writing materials for a bonding session. >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya >> >> >> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> --------------------------------------------- >> "easy access to the world" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafri… > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:17:22 +0300 From: "Harry Delano" <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke> To: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus Message-ID: <E1NuV4o-0007qI-35(a)mail.gprs.safaricom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If I would look at it from another angle, I suppose also and I will keep on insisting - Let us please ensure for grand projects such as this that will impact on the nation, we develop a Multistakeholder approach, consult widely and sell the idea and also listen to other ideas out there,then settle on the best - in terms of feasibility,impact and cost effectiveness. I think while it is good to initiate good projects that stand to benefit the nation, it will be prudent also to develop a model that will ensure all angles of such projects are covered right through from the point of incubation to implementation. We are accustomed now to "Surprise projects" when least expected, which fade off as soon as they are mooted. While we on this topic, I posted earlier this morning an initiative by the Ministry of Education to digitalize the Academic curriculum in schools. For instance in this case, is the ministry of ICT Involved? What about other stakeholder...? What would this portend - especially for Educational Material /curriculum Publishers, who may lose a market share in the education sector? How feasible is it? What is the impact of the huge digital divide at present on such an initiative? What about broadband? Shouldn't we address this first..? Certainly a lot of questions..I think it would be advisable for the govt. organs to engage far & wide.. Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:29 PM To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus That is precisely my arguement for using those funds for training centers and Rural Internet Kiosks. These are designed to teach people computer and Internet skills. The people who are trained can then working in the schools, clinics, and other areas where ICTs can be used for development. Education must be viewed holistically to encompass the whole society not simply school children who can occassionally board the bus. In addition these projects are financially self sustaining after implementation and prove much needed employment. Let us consider the long term ramifications of our investments and ensure that we get the maximum impact. It is easier said than done, but if we do not begin the journey it will never be done. Blessings, Crystal Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:15:50 To: <crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus Robert, Things are not as easy as you write here. Today in Kenya you cannot try to do anything without taking into account of regional interests. I hope you are watching the constitutional process and the regional emotions. Imagine if we were to start with schools in the ASAL region promising to cover the entire country in the next five years. Consider that Ministry of Education does not have adequate number of teachers as we speak yet you will need at least one computer teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and 9,000 secondary schools. If we need to close the digital divide, we all must change. We must for example begin volunteering to teach both the students and the unemployed youth computers. By so doing, you will one day live to say what you did for your country. Like it is said "it is easier said than done". Regards Ndemo. > Hi, > > It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the Hon. > Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe > once bitten twice shy. > > The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 > Million which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per > province this was surely another scan in the making. I remember the MP of Kisumu Hon. > Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self > seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of > sanity in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath. > > I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from > the mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the > books are left behind. > > With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with > 20 computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, > and many other thinks. > > Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to > meet the objectives. > > - 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M > - This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical > wiring & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m > which means we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 > screens/pcs. We could build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing > provided the interlocking soil block making machines > > - 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million > we which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need > to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing > devices that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. > With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA > which can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank. > > - 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, > printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local caching. > This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the > graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been > offered technical training. > > - 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified > in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide > enough computer teachers. > > - 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there > are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God > does not charge for solar, yet). > > The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be > made available to the community in the evenings and as digital > villages over the weekends where content can be generated, yes local > content (ask me for details). > > Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why > won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility > study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% > and well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already > consumed the 7 million. > > Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water > and writing materials for a bonding session. > > Regards > > > > Robert Yawe > KAY System Technologies Ltd > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > Kenya > > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change > your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.c > o.ke > ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafric a.org _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40comtelsys.co.ke ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:09:22 +0000 From: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus Message-ID: <958146811-1269457751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1636562568-(a)bda152.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" KIE is doing a great job on education content development. We have several joint initiatives. Next week March 29 -31 we have a major e-learning conference to showcase local digital content. You are all welcome. We shall make great progress if we begin by asking rather than complaining. Development is largely thinking positive and taking risk in good faith. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry? -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:17:22 To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus If I would look at it from another angle, I suppose also and I will keep on insisting - Let us please ensure for grand projects such as this that will impact on the nation, we develop a Multistakeholder approach, consult widely and sell the idea and also listen to other ideas out there,then settle on the best - in terms of feasibility,impact and cost effectiveness. I think while it is good to initiate good projects that stand to benefit the nation, it will be prudent also to develop a model that will ensure all angles of such projects are covered right through from the point of incubation to implementation. We are accustomed now to "Surprise projects" when least expected, which fade off as soon as they are mooted. While we on this topic, I posted earlier this morning an initiative by the Ministry of Education to digitalize the Academic curriculum in schools. For instance in this case, is the ministry of ICT Involved? What about other stakeholder...? What would this portend - especially for Educational Material /curriculum Publishers, who may lose a market share in the education sector? How feasible is it? What is the impact of the huge digital divide at present on such an initiative? What about broadband? Shouldn't we address this first..? Certainly a lot of questions..I think it would be advisable for the govt. organs to engage far & wide.. Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:29 PM To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus That is precisely my arguement for using those funds for training centers and Rural Internet Kiosks. These are designed to teach people computer and Internet skills. The people who are trained can then working in the schools, clinics, and other areas where ICTs can be used for development. Education must be viewed holistically to encompass the whole society not simply school children who can occassionally board the bus. In addition these projects are financially self sustaining after implementation and prove much needed employment. Let us consider the long term ramifications of our investments and ensure that we get the maximum impact. It is easier said than done, but if we do not begin the journey it will never be done. Blessings, Crystal Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:15:50 To: <crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus Robert, Things are not as easy as you write here. Today in Kenya you cannot try to do anything without taking into account of regional interests. I hope you are watching the constitutional process and the regional emotions. Imagine if we were to start with schools in the ASAL region promising to cover the entire country in the next five years. Consider that Ministry of Education does not have adequate number of teachers as we speak yet you will need at least one computer teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and 9,000 secondary schools. If we need to close the digital divide, we all must change. We must for example begin volunteering to teach both the students and the unemployed youth computers. By so doing, you will one day live to say what you did for your country. Like it is said "it is easier said than done". Regards Ndemo. > Hi, > > It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the Hon. > Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe > once bitten twice shy. > > The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 > Million which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per > province this was surely another scan in the making. I remember the MP of Kisumu Hon. > Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self > seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of > sanity in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath. > > I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from > the mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the > books are left behind. > > With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with > 20 computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, > and many other thinks. > > Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to > meet the objectives. > > - 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M > - This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical > wiring & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m > which means we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 > screens/pcs. We could build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing > provided the interlocking soil block making machines > > - 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million > we which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need > to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing > devices that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. > With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA > which can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank. > > - 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, > printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local caching. > This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the > graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been > offered technical training. > > - 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified > in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide > enough computer teachers. > > - 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there > are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God > does not charge for solar, yet). > > The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be > made available to the community in the evenings and as digital > villages over the weekends where content can be generated, yes local > content (ask me for details). > > Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why > won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility > study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% > and well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already > consumed the 7 million. > > Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water > and writing materials for a bonding session. > > Regards > > > > Robert Yawe > KAY System Technologies Ltd > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > Kenya > > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change > your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.c > o.ke > ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafric a.org _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40comtelsys.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet End of kictanet Digest, Vol 34, Issue 84 **************************************** --------------------------------------------------------------------- Branch office of Intel South Africa Corporation 2nd Floor, South Wing, Building 14, The Woodlands Western Service Road, Woodmead, 2148 Johannesburg, South Africa The above is a branch office of: Intel South Africa Corporation A Corporation registered in Delaware, USA Registered Office: 1209 Orange Street, Wilmington, Delaware 19801, USA Registered No: 2501764 This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). 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Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
by bitange＠jambo.co.ke 24 Mar '10

24 Mar '10

Crystal, I understand your argument. The most amusing thing in all the bus discussion business, nobody ever asked for the concept paper to see why it was proposed. Now that I am beggining to understand the arguments advanced, I hope someone will share a white paper or prove of concept in our presentations. We shall get to learn more when we back our arguments with best practices elsewhere. Regards Ndemo. > That is precisely my arguement for using those funds for training centers > and Rural Internet Kiosks. These are designed to teach people computer and > Internet skills. The people who are trained can then working in the > schools, clinics, and other areas where ICTs can be used for development. > Education must be viewed holistically to encompass the whole society not > simply school children who can occassionally board the bus. In addition > these projects are financially self sustaining after implementation and > prove much needed employment. > > Let us consider the long term ramifications of our investments and ensure > that we get the maximum impact. It is easier said than done, but if we do > not begin the journey it will never be done. > > Blessings, > > Crystal > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:15:50 > To: <crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus > > Robert, > Things are not as easy as you write here. Today in Kenya you cannot try > to do anything without taking into account of regional interests. I hope > you are watching the constitutional process and the regional emotions. > Imagine if we were to start with schools in the ASAL region promising to > cover the entire country in the next five years. Consider that Ministry > of Education does not have adequate number of teachers as we speak yet > you > will need at least one computer teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and > 9,000 secondary schools. > > If we need to close the digital divide, we all must change. We must for > example begin volunteering to teach both the students and the unemployed > youth computers. By so doing, you will one day live to say what you did > for your country. Like it is said "it is easier said than done". > > Regards > > > Ndemo. > > > > >> Hi, >> >> It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the >> Hon. >> Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe >> once >> bitten twice shy. >> >> The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 >> Million >> which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per province this >> was >> surely another scan in the making. I remember the MP of Kisumu Hon. >> Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self >> seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of >> sanity >> in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath. >> >> I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from >> the >> mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the books >> are left behind. >> >> With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with 20 >> computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, and >> many >> other thinks. >> >> Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to >> meet the objectives. >> >> - 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M >> - >> This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical >> wiring >> & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m which >> means >> we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 screens/pcs. We could >> build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing provided the >> interlocking >> soil block making machines >> >> - 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million >> we >> which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need to >> be >> low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing >> devices >> that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. >> With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA >> which >> can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank. >> >> - 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, >> printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local >> caching. >> This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the >> graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been >> offered technical training. >> >> - 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified in >> ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide enough >> computer teachers. >> >> - 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there >> are >> no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God does >> not charge for solar, yet). >> >> The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be made >> available to the community in the evenings and as digital villages over >> the weekends where content can be generated, yes local content (ask me >> for >> details). >> >> Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why >> won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility >> study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% >> and >> well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already >> consumed the 7 million. >> >> Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water and >> writing materials for a bonding session. >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya >> >> >> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> --------------------------------------------- >> "easy access to the world" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafri… > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world"

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Request for Proposals - Python Software Development
by Cecilia Matanga 24 Mar '10

24 Mar '10

Dear Listers Please find attached a Request for Proposals that may be of interest to you. Please circulate within your networks Thank you -- Cecilia Matanga Programme Officer Africa i-Parliaments Action Plan UNDESA Nairobi - Kenya Mobile : +254-718568154 Telephone : +254-20-374 9892/3 Fax : +254-20-374 9894

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Will broadband have an impact on e-Government demand and supply in Kenya?
by Lilian Karanja 24 Mar '10

24 Mar '10

Dear Listers: Now that broadband technology is here, and we know that it is certainly going to enhance the competitiveness of our economy and sustain economic growth, am increasingly wondering what strategies the Government of Kenya is working on, to develop broadband applications that will enhance the delivery of public services to citizens. There is no doubt that the Government of Kenya has taken great strides to harness the implementation and use of broadband technologies with the Ministry of Information and Communications leading the way. Is there an e-Gov/Civic Engagement program that will evaluate how broadband can improve the performance of government specifically in terms of transparency and citizen participation and more generally in terms of effectiveness and efficiency? Such engagement programs with ‘mwananchi’, on broadband and eGovernment, will consider various ways all levels of government, can use broadband to improve public service performance and delivery, including lessons that might apply, for the purposes of developing a pragmatic national broadband plan. The Government of Kenya needs to take stock, consider and pay keen attention to the potential benefits of universal broadband in enabling various government operations to move to a digital platform in terms of improved performance, cost savings, and strategic benefits to the communications infrastructure. The Government should initiate such programs with the support of the private sector. 'Mwanachi' needs to know how they are a part of e-Government and now 'this' new phenomenon, ‘broadband’, and what they can do to enjoy the privileges that both bring. Lilian.

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