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Re: [kictanet] Nelson Mandela
by Edwin Onchari 06 Dec '13

06 Dec '13

+1 For him to be able to forgive a government and a people that denied him a chance to even attend his children's burials while in jail!! he had to be truly special. I hope our leaders are able to let go of their fears; work with their 'enemies' and help build Kenya...RIP Madiba; you were one of a kind Kind regards, Edwin -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:55 PM To: Edwin Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 79, Issue 50 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Nelson Mandela (Walubengo J) 2. Re: We must tread carefully on cyber security (Dennis Kioko) 3. Re: We must tread carefully on cyber security (ngethe.kariuki2007(a)yahoo.co.uk) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 01:22:09 -0800 (PST) From: Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> To: Eric Osiakwan <ericosiakwan(a)me.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nelson Mandela Message-ID: <1386321729.14872.YahooMailBasic(a)web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Not ICT related but allow me to also salute the African Icon Mandela. One thing he did very differently from an African perspective, is to leave office when he was still needed => good succession planning => good legacy. This is the most difficult lesson for our African leaders. #RIPNelsonMandela. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Eric Osiakwan <ericosiakwan(a)me.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nelson Mandela To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 12:08 PM +1 RIP NRM -- you have inscribed yourself into TIME and HUMANITY. Eric here On 6 Dec 2013, at 09:44, Lkimani <lkimani(a)yahoo.com> wrote: My favorite Madiba quote: Conviction is contagious,?never underestimate thePower of persistence" ? ? ? ? ....Nelson Madiba Mandela RIP Tata Madiba you were and still are an an inspirationto us. ?We will truly miss you! Lucy Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: "Michael Elliott, ONE.org" <one-help(a)list.one.org> Date: December 6, 2013, 7:16:00 AM GMT+03:00 To: "Lucy Kimani" <lkimani(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Nelson Mandela Reply-To: "Michael Elliott, ONE.org" <one-help(a)list.one.org> Blank Email 'Sometimes, it falls upon a generation to be great.' Pay tribute to Nelson Mandela and share his powerful words today. ? Dear Lucy, Nelson Mandela's unwavering courage, forgiveness and hope touched and inspired people all around the world. He showed that the dream of a just society is possible and he challenged our generation to lead the way towards it. As Mandela said in his extraordinary 2005 speech in London's Trafalgar Square, 'Like slavery and apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings.' And he ended his speech with a call that moves us still. 'Sometimes,' Mandela said, 'it falls upon a generation to be great. You can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom.' One way to honor Nelson Mandela's memory is to share those words to prove every day that this generation can be the great one that ends extreme poverty. Share his words now. Michael Elliott President and CEO, ONE ? JOIN US. ONE.ORG?|?PRIVACY?|?UNSUBSCRIBE SPREAD THE WORD ? ? This email was sent by ONE.org to lkimani(a)yahoo.com. Add one-help(a)list.one.org to your address book to ensure our emails reach your inbox. Copyright ? 2013 ONE, All rights reserved. Our mailing address is: ONE Campaign 1400 Eye Street NW, Suite 600 Washington, DC 20005 ? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ericosiakwan%40me.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. Eric M.K Osiakwan+233244386792?"Accraboy" 4 Skype@eosiakwan 4 Twitter ?about.me/ericosiakwan? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 12:17:18 +0300 From: "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi(a)gmail.com> To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security Message-ID: <1386322434307.5d950364@CloudMagic> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/attachments/20131206/daf69f 1f/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 09:49:50 +0000 From: ngethe.kariuki2007(a)yahoo.co.uk To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu(a)yahoo.com>, "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ngethe.kariuki2007=yahoo.co.uk(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security Message-ID: <648232868-1386323389-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1588793321-@b 16.c1.bise7.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Walu, Say it louder! We need substantial objectivity on some of these matters. John Kariuki. Sent from my BlackBerry? -----Original Message----- From: Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ngethe.kariuki2007=yahoo.co.uk(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 00:19:47 To: <ngethe.kariuki2007(a)yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security @Ali, your comments sound like ITU-WCIT debate Reloaded :-) Let me be cheeky abit. If SPAM can ONLY be tackled by technology - why hasn't it been tackled? Indeed the technology that could kill spam (e.g. PKI deployment at IP, SMTP, DNS-SEC, etc- apologies for the Tech jargon) has been with us for over 10years...how come spam refused to die? Dont get me wrong, I am still civil-society biased. It is just that I get worried when solutions to complex problems are straight-jacketed into one block (tech, political, legal or otherwise). I think the solutions do not lie on ONE of the above, but all of the above. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 10:59 AM Walu I'm of the opinion that Spam is an issue tackled best by technology NOT legislation... Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ?~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> wrote: @Ndemo, The fact that the raccoon (google says this is some animal in the US :-) did manage to flood your email with spam is a confirmation that we do need the cyber-laws even in Africa :-) Anyway, whereas I agree with most of your article I had a comment on this one paragraph : The industry sometimes lies with statistics that in most cases do not make any sense. Gullible nations are spending a fortune on cyber security. Even countries with less than one per cent Internet penetration are talking about cyber security. << I was of the opinion that countries with fewer machines online SHOULD be talking loudest about Cybersecurity simply because we live in a connected world. Most IT-savvy cyber-criminals ?based in developed economies hijack the few ?"3rd-world" (forgive the use of word) networks/computers to launch attacks in other jurisdictions. Unless there are laws/frameworks compelling corrective action most of these local networks will forever remain vulnerable. However, it also true is that some autocratic/non-democratic governments are going to ride this cyber-security bandwagon for the sake of adding more repression to their citizenry. The civil-society (recently baptized as evil-society :-) must forever be watchful. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Bitange Ndemo <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 8:12 AM Hussein, Some raccoon decided to clog my e-mail with spam as punishment because of the article.? I am not opposed to cyber security but some people (and you remember Dubai) want to use cyber security as a basis for stifling internet freedom. Ndemo. Grace Thanks for sharing. We indeed must tread carefully. There is definitely a case for a regulatory framework. This must however be tampered with the understanding that too much regulation will throttle the industry. It is a fine balance that we must maintain. *Ali Hussein* Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga(a)hotmail.com>wrote: n Kenya, we have done extremely well in the adoption of ICTs. This is a field that requires a lot of creativity, but we may just end up killing that creativity with too many rules and regulations in trying to counter computer crime sometimes referred to as cybercrime or netcrime. http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefu lly-on-cyber-security/-/539548/2098892/-/item/0/-/12mo495/-/index.html _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. Business School University of Nairobi Lower Kabete Campus _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngethe.kariuki2007%40y ahoo.co.uk The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Re: [kictanet] Nelson Mandela
by Edwin Onchari 06 Dec '13

06 Dec '13

+1 For him to be able to forgive a government and a people that denied him a chance to even attend his children's burials while in jail!! he had to be truly special. I hope our leaders are able to let go of their fears; work with their 'enemies' and help build Kenya...RIP Madiba; you were one of a kind Kind regards, Edwin -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:55 PM To: Edwin Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 79, Issue 50 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Nelson Mandela (Walubengo J) 2. Re: We must tread carefully on cyber security (Dennis Kioko) 3. Re: We must tread carefully on cyber security (ngethe.kariuki2007(a)yahoo.co.uk) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 01:22:09 -0800 (PST) From: Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> To: Eric Osiakwan <ericosiakwan(a)me.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nelson Mandela Message-ID: <1386321729.14872.YahooMailBasic(a)web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Not ICT related but allow me to also salute the African Icon Mandela. One thing he did very differently from an African perspective, is to leave office when he was still needed => good succession planning => good legacy. This is the most difficult lesson for our African leaders. #RIPNelsonMandela. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Eric Osiakwan <ericosiakwan(a)me.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nelson Mandela To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 12:08 PM +1 RIP NRM -- you have inscribed yourself into TIME and HUMANITY. Eric here On 6 Dec 2013, at 09:44, Lkimani <lkimani(a)yahoo.com> wrote: My favorite Madiba quote: Conviction is contagious,?never underestimate thePower of persistence" ? ? ? ? ....Nelson Madiba Mandela RIP Tata Madiba you were and still are an an inspirationto us. ?We will truly miss you! Lucy Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: "Michael Elliott, ONE.org" <one-help(a)list.one.org> Date: December 6, 2013, 7:16:00 AM GMT+03:00 To: "Lucy Kimani" <lkimani(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Nelson Mandela Reply-To: "Michael Elliott, ONE.org" <one-help(a)list.one.org> Blank Email 'Sometimes, it falls upon a generation to be great.' Pay tribute to Nelson Mandela and share his powerful words today. ? Dear Lucy, Nelson Mandela's unwavering courage, forgiveness and hope touched and inspired people all around the world. He showed that the dream of a just society is possible and he challenged our generation to lead the way towards it. As Mandela said in his extraordinary 2005 speech in London's Trafalgar Square, 'Like slavery and apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings.' And he ended his speech with a call that moves us still. 'Sometimes,' Mandela said, 'it falls upon a generation to be great. You can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom.' One way to honor Nelson Mandela's memory is to share those words to prove every day that this generation can be the great one that ends extreme poverty. Share his words now. Michael Elliott President and CEO, ONE ? JOIN US. ONE.ORG?|?PRIVACY?|?UNSUBSCRIBE SPREAD THE WORD ? ? This email was sent by ONE.org to lkimani(a)yahoo.com. Add one-help(a)list.one.org to your address book to ensure our emails reach your inbox. Copyright ? 2013 ONE, All rights reserved. Our mailing address is: ONE Campaign 1400 Eye Street NW, Suite 600 Washington, DC 20005 ? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ericosiakwan%40me.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. Eric M.K Osiakwan+233244386792?"Accraboy" 4 Skype@eosiakwan 4 Twitter ?about.me/ericosiakwan? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 12:17:18 +0300 From: "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi(a)gmail.com> To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security Message-ID: <1386322434307.5d950364@CloudMagic> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/attachments/20131206/daf69f 1f/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 09:49:50 +0000 From: ngethe.kariuki2007(a)yahoo.co.uk To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu(a)yahoo.com>, "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ngethe.kariuki2007=yahoo.co.uk(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security Message-ID: <648232868-1386323389-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1588793321-@b 16.c1.bise7.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Walu, Say it louder! We need substantial objectivity on some of these matters. John Kariuki. Sent from my BlackBerry? -----Original Message----- From: Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ngethe.kariuki2007=yahoo.co.uk(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 00:19:47 To: <ngethe.kariuki2007(a)yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security @Ali, your comments sound like ITU-WCIT debate Reloaded :-) Let me be cheeky abit. If SPAM can ONLY be tackled by technology - why hasn't it been tackled? Indeed the technology that could kill spam (e.g. PKI deployment at IP, SMTP, DNS-SEC, etc- apologies for the Tech jargon) has been with us for over 10years...how come spam refused to die? Dont get me wrong, I am still civil-society biased. It is just that I get worried when solutions to complex problems are straight-jacketed into one block (tech, political, legal or otherwise). I think the solutions do not lie on ONE of the above, but all of the above. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 10:59 AM Walu I'm of the opinion that Spam is an issue tackled best by technology NOT legislation... Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ?~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> wrote: @Ndemo, The fact that the raccoon (google says this is some animal in the US :-) did manage to flood your email with spam is a confirmation that we do need the cyber-laws even in Africa :-) Anyway, whereas I agree with most of your article I had a comment on this one paragraph : The industry sometimes lies with statistics that in most cases do not make any sense. Gullible nations are spending a fortune on cyber security. Even countries with less than one per cent Internet penetration are talking about cyber security. << I was of the opinion that countries with fewer machines online SHOULD be talking loudest about Cybersecurity simply because we live in a connected world. Most IT-savvy cyber-criminals ?based in developed economies hijack the few ?"3rd-world" (forgive the use of word) networks/computers to launch attacks in other jurisdictions. Unless there are laws/frameworks compelling corrective action most of these local networks will forever remain vulnerable. However, it also true is that some autocratic/non-democratic governments are going to ride this cyber-security bandwagon for the sake of adding more repression to their citizenry. The civil-society (recently baptized as evil-society :-) must forever be watchful. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Bitange Ndemo <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 8:12 AM Hussein, Some raccoon decided to clog my e-mail with spam as punishment because of the article.? I am not opposed to cyber security but some people (and you remember Dubai) want to use cyber security as a basis for stifling internet freedom. Ndemo. Grace Thanks for sharing. We indeed must tread carefully. There is definitely a case for a regulatory framework. This must however be tampered with the understanding that too much regulation will throttle the industry. It is a fine balance that we must maintain. *Ali Hussein* Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga(a)hotmail.com>wrote: n Kenya, we have done extremely well in the adoption of ICTs. This is a field that requires a lot of creativity, but we may just end up killing that creativity with too many rules and regulations in trying to counter computer crime sometimes referred to as cybercrime or netcrime. http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefu lly-on-cyber-security/-/539548/2098892/-/item/0/-/12mo495/-/index.html _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. Business School University of Nairobi Lower Kabete Campus _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet ------------------------------ End of kictanet Digest, Vol 79, Issue 50 ****************************************

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Nelson Mandela
by Gideon 06 Dec '13

06 Dec '13

Mandela Legacy, This Grand Man from Africa did what he did, in the time he promised. He left office in time and kept his word. Even after the huge sacrifices of fighting for freedom, he was kind and generous enough to let others continue leadership. We salute Madiba for the values that Africa still needs to learn to adopt. Fare Thee Well Madiba. Regards Gideon Rop On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, <kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>wrote: > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Nelson Mandela (Walubengo J) > 2. Re: We must tread carefully on cyber security (Dennis Kioko) > 3. Re: We must tread carefully on cyber security > (ngethe.kariuki2007(a)yahoo.co.uk) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 01:22:09 -0800 (PST) > From: Walubengo J < > jwalu(a)yahoo.com> > To: Eric Osiakwan <ericosiakwan(a)me.com> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nelson Mandela > Message-ID: > <1386321729.14872.YahooMailBasic(a)web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Not ICT related but allow me to also salute the African Icon Mandela. > > One thing he did very differently from an African perspective, is to leave > office when he was still needed => good succession planning => good legacy. > > This is the most difficult lesson for our African leaders. > > #RIPNelsonMandela. > > walu. > > > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 12/6/13, Eric Osiakwan <ericosiakwan(a)me.com> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nelson Mandela > To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 12:08 PM > > +1 > RIP NRM -- you have inscribed yourself into TIME > and HUMANITY. > Eric here > > On 6 Dec 2013, at 09:44, Lkimani <lkimani(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > My favorite Madiba quote: > Conviction is contagious,?never > underestimate thePower of > persistence" > ? ? ? ? ....Nelson Madiba > Mandela > RIP Tata Madiba you were and still are an an > inspirationto us. ?We will truly miss > you! > Lucy > > Sent from my iPhone > Begin forwarded message: > > From: "Michael > Elliott, ONE.org" <one-help(a)list.one.org> > Date: December 6, 2013, 7:16:00 AM GMT+03:00 > To: "Lucy Kimani" <lkimani(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Nelson Mandela > Reply-To: "Michael Elliott, ONE.org" > <one-help(a)list.one.org> > > > > > > Blank Email > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Sometimes, it falls upon a > generation to be great.' > > > > > > > > Pay tribute to Nelson Mandela > and share his powerful words today. > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > Dear Lucy, > > Nelson Mandela's unwavering courage, forgiveness and > hope touched and inspired people all around the world. He > showed that the dream of a just society is possible and he > challenged our generation to lead the way towards it. > > As Mandela said in his extraordinary 2005 speech in > London's Trafalgar Square, 'Like slavery and > apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can > be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human > beings.' > > And he ended his speech with a call that moves us still. > > 'Sometimes,' Mandela said, 'it falls upon a > generation to be great. You can be that great generation. > Let your greatness blossom.' > > One way to honor Nelson Mandela's memory is to share > those words to prove every day that this generation can be > the great one that ends extreme poverty. > Share > his words now. > > > Michael Elliott > President and CEO, ONE > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > JOIN US. > ONE.ORG?|?PRIVACY?|?UNSUBSCRIBE > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPREAD THE > WORD > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > ? > > > > This email was sent by > ONE.org to lkimani(a)yahoo.com. > > Add one-help(a)list.one.org > to your address book to ensure our emails reach your inbox. > > > > Copyright ? 2013 > ONE, All rights reserved. > > > Our mailing address > is: > > ONE Campaign > > 1400 Eye Street NW, > Suite 600 > > Washington, DC > > 20005 > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ericosiakwan%40me.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a > multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions > interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The > network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth > and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect > people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't > flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, > do not market your wares or > qualifications. > > Eric M.K > Osiakwan+233244386792?"Accraboy" > 4 Skype@eosiakwan 4 Twitter > ?about.me/ericosiakwan? > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a > multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions > interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The > network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth > and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect > people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame > or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do > not market your wares or qualifications. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 12:17:18 +0300 > From: "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi(a)gmail.com> > To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security > Message-ID: <1386322434307.5d950364@CloudMagic> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/attachments/20131206/daf69f… > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 09:49:50 +0000 > From: ngethe.kariuki2007(a)yahoo.co.uk > To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu(a)yahoo.com>, "kictanet" > <kictanet-bounces+ngethe.kariuki2007= > yahoo.co.uk(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security > Message-ID: > > <648232868-1386323389-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1588793321-(a)b16.c1.bise7.blackberry > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Walu, > Say it louder! We need substantial objectivity on some of these matters. > > John Kariuki. > Sent from my BlackBerry? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> > Sender: "kictanet" > <kictanet-bounces+ngethe.kariuki2007=yahoo.co.uk(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 00:19:47 > To: <ngethe.kariuki2007(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security > > @Ali, > > your comments sound like ITU-WCIT debate Reloaded :-) > > Let me be cheeky abit. > > If SPAM can ONLY be tackled by technology - why hasn't it been tackled? > Indeed the technology that could kill spam (e.g. PKI deployment at IP, > SMTP, DNS-SEC, etc- apologies for the Tech jargon) has been with us for > over 10years...how come spam refused to die? > > Dont get me wrong, I am still civil-society biased. It is just that I get > worried when solutions to complex problems are straight-jacketed into one > block (tech, political, legal or otherwise). I think the solutions do not > lie on ONE of the above, but all of the above. > > walu. > > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 12/6/13, Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security > To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 10:59 AM > > Walu > I'm of the opinion that Spam is an issue > tackled best by technology NOT legislation... > > Ali Hussein > +254 0770 > 906375 / 0713 601113 <%200713%20601113> > "I fear the day technology will > surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation > of idiots". ?~ Albert Einstein > Sent from my iPad > On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > @Ndemo, > > The fact that the raccoon (google says this is some > animal in the US :-) did manage to flood your email with > spam is a confirmation that we do need the cyber-laws even > in Africa :-) > > Anyway, whereas I agree with most of your article I > had a comment on this one paragraph : > > The industry sometimes lies with > statistics that in most cases do not make any sense. > Gullible nations are spending a fortune on cyber security. > Even countries with less than one per cent Internet > penetration are talking about cyber security. > << > > I was of the opinion that countries with fewer > machines online SHOULD be talking loudest about > Cybersecurity simply because we live in a connected world. > Most IT-savvy cyber-criminals ?based in developed > economies hijack the few ?"3rd-world" > (forgive the use of word) networks/computers to launch > attacks in other jurisdictions. Unless there are > laws/frameworks compelling corrective action most of these > local networks will forever remain vulnerable. > > However, it also true is that some > autocratic/non-democratic governments are going to ride this > cyber-security bandwagon for the sake of adding more > repression to their citizenry. The civil-society (recently > baptized as evil-society :-) must forever be > watchful. > > walu. > > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 12/6/13, Bitange Ndemo <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on > cyber security > To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" > <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 8:12 AM > > Hussein, > Some raccoon decided to clog my e-mail with spam > as > punishment because of > the article.? I am not opposed to cyber security > but > some people (and you > remember Dubai) want to use cyber security as a basis > for > stifling > internet freedom. > > Ndemo. > > > > Grace > > Thanks for > sharing. We indeed must tread carefully. > There is definitely a > case for a regulatory > framework. This must however be > tampered with the > understanding that too much > regulation will throttle > the industry. It is a > fine balance that we must > maintain. > > *Ali > Hussein* > > > > > > Tel: +254 770 > 906375/ 713 601113 > > Twitter: > @AliHKassim > > Skype: > abu-jomo > > LinkedIn: > http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > > > Blog: www.alyhussein.com > > > Any information > of a personal nature expressed in this > email are purely > mine and do not necessarily > reflect the official > positions of the > organizations that I work > with. > > > On Thu, Dec 5, > 2013 at 9:20 PM, Grace Githaiga > <ggithaiga(a)hotmail.com>wrote: > > n Kenya, we have done extremely well in > the > adoption of ICTs. This is > a > field > that requires a lot of creativity, but we may > just end up killing > that > creativity with too many rules and regulations > in trying to > counter > computer crime sometimes referred to as > cybercrime > or netcrime. > > > http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-caref… > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing > list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or > change your options at > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com > > The Kenya ICT > Action Network (KICTANet) is a > multi-stakeholder > platform > for > people and institutions interested and involved > in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a > catalyst > for reform in the > ICT > sector > in support of the national aim of ICT > enabled growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : > Adhere to the same standards of > acceptable > behaviors > online > that you follow in real life: respect > people's times > and > bandwidth, > share knowledge, > don't flame or abuse or > personalize, respect > privacy, > do > not spam, do not > market your wares or > qualifications. > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing > list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or > change your options at > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > > The Kenya ICT > Action Network (KICTANet) is a > multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions > interested and involved in > ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims > to act as a catalyst for > reform in the ICT > sector in support of the > national aim of ICT enabled > growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : > Adhere to the same standards of > acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real > life: respect people's > times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't > flame or abuse or personalize, > respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your > wares or qualifications. > > > Business School > University of Nairobi > Lower Kabete Campus > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a > multi-stakeholder platform for people and > institutions > interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. > The > network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the > ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled > growth > and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of > acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: > respect > people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, > don't flame > or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not > spam, do > not market your wares or qualifications. > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a > multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions > interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The > network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth > and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of > acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: > respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, > don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or > qualifications. > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngethe.kariuki2007%40… > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > ------------------------------ > > End of kictanet Digest, Vol 79, Issue 50 > **************************************** >

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We must tread carefully on cyber security
by Grace Githaiga 06 Dec '13

06 Dec '13

n Kenya, we have done extremely well in the adoption of ICTs. This is a field that requires a lot of creativity, but we may just end up killing that creativity with too many rules and regulations in trying to counter computer crime sometimes referred to as cybercrime or netcrime.http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tr…

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Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
by Edwin Onchari 06 Dec '13

06 Dec '13

They could even sell licenses to independent courier services providers who are too small to develop their own platform; for their end customers to track their shipments and trigger innovations around the same Kind regards, Edwin -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:14 AM To: Edwin Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 79, Issue 44 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated (robert yawe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 08:08:21 +0000 (GMT) From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated Message-ID: <1386317301.49246.YahooMailNeo(a)web171704.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, We do not need the fund just tell postal to develop a shipping module such as that offered by FedEx, DHL, USPS, UPS and Aramex for use by e-commerce site developers and the organisation will be able to self finance. It is for the reason above that I campaigned for the post of Post Master General and I feel obliged to restart it as it is clear that the current occupant of the seat is still stuck in his GM Financial Services days and cannot see the forest for the trees. I ask you all to please watch the video link I posted earlier and listen to the message being put across. http://www.bloomberg.com/video/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-amazon-package-oFml8Y tmTsO0dS3yjwPZng.html ? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 On Friday, 6 December 2013, 7:55, Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> wrote: Ngigi ? First things first...:-) Let the fund be operational first..We have been singing this story for the last five years... ? But the idea of including Postal Services within this is an interesting and intriguing one.. ? ? Ali Hussein ? ? Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi(a)at.co.ke> wrote: Ali, > >The USF is a new one, I am catching up with the telcoms stuff :-) > >Now, how about the postal service, is there anything like that? > > > > >On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> wrote: > >Ngigi >> >> >>You are absolutely right.? >> >> >>The Safaricom example though may be misplaced...to cover those areas that are not economically viable we have the Universal Service Fund...which in my humble opinion has been snoozing on the job.. >> >> >>Ali Hussein >> >> >>+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 >> >> >>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world >>will have a generation of idiots". ?~ Albert Einstein >> >>Sent from my iPad >> >>On Dec 5, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi(a)at.co.ke> wrote: >> >> >>I don't think the postal corporation is short of ideas on how to make money in the obvious centres, the problem is it needs to sustain its services even in areas where there is no direct commercial benefit. And in such a country as ours where development is very centralized, that means a lot of areas that postal needs to cover at a loss. >>> >>>As an example, what if Safaricom was mandated by law to cover equally every sector in our country, would we also ask it to make the massive profits that it makes today? >>> >>>Rgds >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari(a)lynxbits.com> wrote: >>> >>>The corporation can tap into commercial ventures such as courier >>>services >>>>for agricultural produce as well...I consume fresh "spider >>>>flower"--aka 'saga' from my native land brought to NRB each morning >>>>using PSVs. With the corporations presence all over, this is a >>>>service they can offer and people like myself would not mind having >>>>this delicacy delivered to my doorstep at a fee! >>>> >>>>Kind regards, >>>>Edwin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: kictanet >>>>[mailto:[email protected]] >>>>On Behalf Of kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 3:29 PM >>>>To: Edwin >>>>Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 79, Issue 33 >>>> >>>>Send kictanet mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? >>>>kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> >>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? >>>>https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? >>>>kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> >>>>You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? >>>>kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> >>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>than >>>>"Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>>Today's Topics: >>>> >>>>? ?1. Re: Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated ? ? ? >>>>(Phares Kariuki) >>>> >>>> >>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>-- >>>> >>>>Message: 1 >>>>Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 14:51:15 +0300 >>>>From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki(a)gmail.com> >>>>To: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi(a)at.co.ke> >>>>Cc: Consumer and Public Affairs <cpa(a)cck.go.ke>, KICTAnet ICT Policy >>>>? ? ? ? Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - ? ? ? ? >>>>regurgitated >>>>Message-ID: <etPan.52a07033.5bd062c2.a8(a)pharess-mbp.lan> >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>>There?s more than enough market for Postel. e.g. couriers have >>>>mushroomed all over Nairobi, that?s business that Postel could >>>>easily monopolise (they >>>> >>>>can hire riders in various towns to deliver letters door to door). >>>>Just because Nairobi doesn?t have a centralised addressing system it >>>>doesn?t mean that Postel can?t come up with their own system, which >>>>can be adapted by the city later.? >>>>From:?Ngigi Waithaka Ngigi Waithaka >>>>Reply:?Ngigi Waithaka ngigi(a)at.co.ke Date:?December 5, 2013 at >>>>2:51:15 PM To:?Phares Kariuki pkariuki(a)gmail.com Subject:? Re: >>>>[kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated >>>> >>>>Listers, >>>> >>>>The bottomline question that plagues most Postal Services is whether >>>>they can be ran independently and at the same time at a profit? >>>> >>>>Postal Services provide such basic services in elementary >>>>communication that sometimes they would need to ran, for at least an >>>>entire country to communicate, even if they are doing so at a loss. >>>>As an example, I doubt there is little business sense having a Post >>>>Office for the whole of Turkana County, but, basic service delivery demands it. >>>> >>>>In a way, and as a country, we need to look at the previous Kenya >>>>Posts & Telecommunications as one with some parts by default >>>>probably being the revenue earners, others due to their very nature, revenue lossers. >>>> >>>>The targets we set Postal Services should primarily be about service >>>>delivery & revenue generation second. It would hence make more sense >>>>if Postal Services could guarantee delivery of parcels across the >>>>country in say 7 days, and hence boost eCommerce significantly when >>>>everyone, including that guy in North Horr has a distinct Postal >>>>Address rather than make a few billion shillings in profits by closing most of the postal outlets. >>>> >>>>Almost 2-cents worth... >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Waithaka Ngigi >>>>A1.iO >>>> >>>> >>>>On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>Postal corporation is an irrational corporation.? >>>> >>>>They are shutting down outlets, yet it?s almost impossible to get an >>>>address >>>> >>>>with them. The more outlets they shut down, the less valuable the >>>>entire network is simply because you have fewer locations you can mail.? >>>> >>>>We don?t need USF to expand PCK offices, we simply need rational >>>>minds running it.? >>>>From:?Wambua, Christopher Wambua, Christopher Reply:?Wambua, >>>>Christopher wambua(a)cck.go.ke Date:?December 5, 2013 at 1:55:03 PM >>>>To:?Phares Kariuki pkariuki(a)gmail.com >>>> >>>>Subject:? Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - >>>>regurgitated >>>> >>>>Kivuva, >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>We know that interconnection exists in the postal/courier >>>>sub-sector, and indeed CCK encourages it. ??That is why are basing >>>>our projections on both >>>> >>>>the public and private postal/courier operators. Just to summarize >>>>my two earlier responses, we shall realize the target by: >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>1.?????? Using USF to expand PCK post offices, >>>> >>>>2.?????? Encouraging usage of postal outlets for government services >>>>hence >>>> >>>>securing sustainability as well as expansion, >>>> >>>>3.?????? Licensing more rural private postal/courier operators >>>> >>>>4.?????? Liberalizing where possible certain existing postal >>>>exclusive >>>> >>>>services currently reserved for PCK to encourage growth. We have >>>>commenced a comprehensive study in this area to inform the review. >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Best regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Christopher Wambua >>>> >>>>Manager ? Communications >>>> >>>>Consumer and Public Affairs Department >>>> >>>>Communications Commission of Kenya >>>> >>>>P.O. Box 14448 NAIROBI 00800 >>>> >>>>Tel: +254 20 4242209 >>>> >>>>info(a)cck.go.ke >>>> >>>>www.cck.go.ke >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>From: lordmwesh(a)gmail.com [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>Kivuva >>>>Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:36 PM >>>>To: Wambua, Christopher >>>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - >>>>regurgitated >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Thank you Wambua, >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>I had seen that especially on Page 24 of your strategic plan "6. >>>>Postal and Courier Penetration (Population >>>> >>>>Per Post Office and/or Courier Outlets) from 29,992 to 20,000" >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>You understand the folly of relying on private couriers, they have a >>>>discretion of deciding where to pitch their business. Do you know >>>>even private couriers rely on Posta and EMS to reach Lokitang, >>>>Loitoktok and Longisa? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>______________________ >>>>Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya. >>>>twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>> >>>>google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>On 4 December 2013 21:07, Wambua, Christopher <Wambua(a)cck.go.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>Kivuva, >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>You may wish to note that, from a regulatory perspective, postal >>>>outlets also include private courier outlets whose numbers have been >>>>growing consistently at a rate of 20 outlets per annum. ? >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>According to the Kenya Information and Communications Act, Cap 411A, >>>>the post refers to any system for the delivery of postal articles. A >>>>postal article is anything deliverable by post. >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Best regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Christopher Wambua >>>> >>>>Manager ? Communications >>>> >>>>Consumer and Public Affairs Department >>>> >>>>Communications Commission of Kenya >>>> >>>>P.O. Box 14448 NAIROBI 00800 >>>> >>>>Tel: +254 20 4242209 >>>> >>>>info(a)cck.go.ke >>>> >>>>www.cck.go.ke >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>From: kictanet >>>>[mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>Behalf Of Kivuva >>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 4:59 PM >>>>To: Wambua, Christopher >>>> >>>> >>>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - >>>>regurgitated >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>There is no e-commerce without a distribution network. >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>In CCK's 5 Year strategic plan, they have promised to increase >>>>Postal /Courier services from 28,000people/postOffice to 20,000. I >>>>asked last week how they intend to achieve that! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>______________________ >>>>Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya. >>>>twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>> >>>>google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>On 2 December 2013 21:03, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>Listers, >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>If anyone of you can get the following link to either the Cabinet >>>>Secretary for IC&T Dr. Matiangi and the Posta Master General Dr. >>>>Kinara please forward it and hopefully they will realise that >>>>closing post office locations and laying off staff is the worst >>>>thing they can do for the growth of e-commerce in the region. >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>http://www.bloomberg.com/video/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-amazon-packag >>>>e-oFml8Y >>>>tmTsO0dS3yjwPZng.html >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Regards >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Robert Yawe >>>>KAY System Technologies Ltd >>>>Phoenix House, 6th Floor >>>>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >>>>Kenya >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>On Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 11:44, robert yawe >>>><robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>Yesterday PCK launched their payment platform which allows me to >>>>regurgitate a post, below, that I did in 2010 when I started my >>>>public campaign to be appointed the PMG. >>>> >>>>At the launch a clear statement was made on how the government will >>>>use the PCK infrastructure to deliver its services to the public a >>>>position that was many a times reiterated by Dr. Kate Getao the ICT >>>>Secretary, her strategy unlike many of the others seems like it will come to pass.? >>>> >>>> >>>>The PASHA, Digital Village and most of the other initiatives have >>>>all fallen by the wayside and the one that was ever going to be >>>>sustainable has emerged victorious, which raises the question of >>>>what has changed in the last 100 days? >>>> >>>>??? 1.? Dr. Ndemo is no longer in charge of the Information ministry >>>>(even though the former minister Hon. Pogisho was prominent at the PCK launch) ??? >>>>2.? Mr. Paul Kukubo left the KICT Board ??? 3.? KICT Board to be >>>>placed under the e-Government docket ??? 4.? A digital focused >>>>President has taken up the reigns >>>> >>>>??? 5.? A realisation by those in government that PCK is more than stamps ?? >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>??? >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Forwarded Message ----- >>>>From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>>>To: Kictanet Mail list <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>>>Sent: Friday, 11 June 2010, 10:54 >>>>Subject: Postal Corporation Closing Outlets >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>It is with shock that I read about the closing of some of the post >>>>offices around the country by?Postal?Corporation. ?This is an >>>>indication of a management that has no vision or?ambition?maybe as a >>>>result of using the corporation as a retirement centre.? >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>With us trying to achieve universal access, >>>>?http://www.cck.go.ke/services/universal_access/downloads/FinalUArep >>>>ort.pdf, shutting down post offices is a step in the wrong >>>>direction. ?It is >>>> >>>>unfortunate that we have heard no reaction to this issue from the >>>>ministry of information, CCK or even Kenya ICTBoard. ? >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>It is time Postal corporation was run by someone who understands the >>>>transitioning of the role of the postal corporation in the digital >>>>age, to me they are the perfect platform for rolling out digital >>>>villages, outsorucing service and e-commerce. ?This will avoid the >>>>appointment of >>>> >>>>executives who are more interested in the supply of fuel, tyres and >>>>insurance as opposed to moving the organisations to new heights. >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Implementation of e-mail to mail systems would reduce the costs of >>>>transport incurred by PCK which makes up over 60% of their operational costs. >>>>?Unfortunately most of those who have been appointed to the post of >>>>post >>>> >>>>master general have no appreciation of the role of the postal >>>>services in the development of the nation. >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Do not listen to the myopic stories about the death of the postal >>>>service because of e-mail, facebok and twitter as you and I know >>>>that a physical item can never be delivered electronically. >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>I believe the appointment of the next post master general and by >>>>extension the chief executive of the Kenya ICTBoard and CCK need to >>>>include vetting and recommendations from the private sector with >>>>clearly defined performance indicators. ? >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Regards >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Robert Yawe >>>>KAY System Technologies Ltd >>>>Phoenix House, 6th Floor >>>>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >>>>Kenya >>>> >>>>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>kictanet mailing list >>>>kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> >>>>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>>https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo .co. >>>>uk >>>> >>>>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT >>>>policy and regulation. 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Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 79, Issue 44
by Edwin Onchari 06 Dec '13

06 Dec '13

They could even sell licenses to independent courier services providers who are too small to develop their own platform; for their end customers to track their shipments and trigger innovations around the same Kind regards, Edwin -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:14 AM To: Edwin Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 79, Issue 44 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated (robert yawe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 08:08:21 +0000 (GMT) From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated Message-ID: <1386317301.49246.YahooMailNeo(a)web171704.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, We do not need the fund just tell postal to develop a shipping module such as that offered by FedEx, DHL, USPS, UPS and Aramex for use by e-commerce site developers and the organisation will be able to self finance. It is for the reason above that I campaigned for the post of Post Master General and I feel obliged to restart it as it is clear that the current occupant of the seat is still stuck in his GM Financial Services days and cannot see the forest for the trees. I ask you all to please watch the video link I posted earlier and listen to the message being put across. http://www.bloomberg.com/video/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-amazon-package-oFml8Y tmTsO0dS3yjwPZng.html ? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 On Friday, 6 December 2013, 7:55, Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> wrote: Ngigi ? First things first...:-) Let the fund be operational first..We have been singing this story for the last five years... ? But the idea of including Postal Services within this is an interesting and intriguing one.. ? ? Ali Hussein ? ? Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi(a)at.co.ke> wrote: Ali, > >The USF is a new one, I am catching up with the telcoms stuff :-) > >Now, how about the postal service, is there anything like that? > > > > >On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> wrote: > >Ngigi >> >> >>You are absolutely right.? >> >> >>The Safaricom example though may be misplaced...to cover those areas that are not economically viable we have the Universal Service Fund...which in my humble opinion has been snoozing on the job.. >> >> >>Ali Hussein >> >> >>+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 >> >> >>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world >>will have a generation of idiots". ?~ Albert Einstein >> >>Sent from my iPad >> >>On Dec 5, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi(a)at.co.ke> wrote: >> >> >>I don't think the postal corporation is short of ideas on how to make money in the obvious centres, the problem is it needs to sustain its services even in areas where there is no direct commercial benefit. And in such a country as ours where development is very centralized, that means a lot of areas that postal needs to cover at a loss. >>> >>>As an example, what if Safaricom was mandated by law to cover equally every sector in our country, would we also ask it to make the massive profits that it makes today? >>> >>>Rgds >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari(a)lynxbits.com> wrote: >>> >>>The corporation can tap into commercial ventures such as courier >>>services >>>>for agricultural produce as well...I consume fresh "spider >>>>flower"--aka 'saga' from my native land brought to NRB each morning >>>>using PSVs. With the corporations presence all over, this is a >>>>service they can offer and people like myself would not mind having >>>>this delicacy delivered to my doorstep at a fee! >>>> >>>>Kind regards, >>>>Edwin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: kictanet >>>>[mailto:[email protected]] >>>>On Behalf Of kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 3:29 PM >>>>To: Edwin >>>>Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 79, Issue 33 >>>> >>>>Send kictanet mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? >>>>kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> >>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? >>>>https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? >>>>kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> >>>>You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? >>>>kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> >>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>than >>>>"Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>>Today's Topics: >>>> >>>>? ?1. Re: Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated ? ? ? >>>>(Phares Kariuki) >>>> >>>> >>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>-- >>>> >>>>Message: 1 >>>>Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 14:51:15 +0300 >>>>From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki(a)gmail.com> >>>>To: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi(a)at.co.ke> >>>>Cc: Consumer and Public Affairs <cpa(a)cck.go.ke>, KICTAnet ICT Policy >>>>? ? ? ? Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - ? ? ? ? >>>>regurgitated >>>>Message-ID: <etPan.52a07033.5bd062c2.a8(a)pharess-mbp.lan> >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>>There?s more than enough market for Postel. e.g. couriers have >>>>mushroomed all over Nairobi, that?s business that Postel could >>>>easily monopolise (they >>>> >>>>can hire riders in various towns to deliver letters door to door). >>>>Just because Nairobi doesn?t have a centralised addressing system it >>>>doesn?t mean that Postel can?t come up with their own system, which >>>>can be adapted by the city later.? >>>>From:?Ngigi Waithaka Ngigi Waithaka >>>>Reply:?Ngigi Waithaka ngigi(a)at.co.ke Date:?December 5, 2013 at >>>>2:51:15 PM To:?Phares Kariuki pkariuki(a)gmail.com Subject:? Re: >>>>[kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated >>>> >>>>Listers, >>>> >>>>The bottomline question that plagues most Postal Services is whether >>>>they can be ran independently and at the same time at a profit? >>>> >>>>Postal Services provide such basic services in elementary >>>>communication that sometimes they would need to ran, for at least an >>>>entire country to communicate, even if they are doing so at a loss. >>>>As an example, I doubt there is little business sense having a Post >>>>Office for the whole of Turkana County, but, basic service delivery demands it. >>>> >>>>In a way, and as a country, we need to look at the previous Kenya >>>>Posts & Telecommunications as one with some parts by default >>>>probably being the revenue earners, others due to their very nature, revenue lossers. >>>> >>>>The targets we set Postal Services should primarily be about service >>>>delivery & revenue generation second. It would hence make more sense >>>>if Postal Services could guarantee delivery of parcels across the >>>>country in say 7 days, and hence boost eCommerce significantly when >>>>everyone, including that guy in North Horr has a distinct Postal >>>>Address rather than make a few billion shillings in profits by closing most of the postal outlets. >>>> >>>>Almost 2-cents worth... >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Waithaka Ngigi >>>>A1.iO >>>> >>>> >>>>On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>Postal corporation is an irrational corporation.? >>>> >>>>They are shutting down outlets, yet it?s almost impossible to get an >>>>address >>>> >>>>with them. The more outlets they shut down, the less valuable the >>>>entire network is simply because you have fewer locations you can mail.? >>>> >>>>We don?t need USF to expand PCK offices, we simply need rational >>>>minds running it.? >>>>From:?Wambua, Christopher Wambua, Christopher Reply:?Wambua, >>>>Christopher wambua(a)cck.go.ke Date:?December 5, 2013 at 1:55:03 PM >>>>To:?Phares Kariuki pkariuki(a)gmail.com >>>> >>>>Subject:? Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - >>>>regurgitated >>>> >>>>Kivuva, >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>We know that interconnection exists in the postal/courier >>>>sub-sector, and indeed CCK encourages it. ??That is why are basing >>>>our projections on both >>>> >>>>the public and private postal/courier operators. Just to summarize >>>>my two earlier responses, we shall realize the target by: >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>1.?????? Using USF to expand PCK post offices, >>>> >>>>2.?????? Encouraging usage of postal outlets for government services >>>>hence >>>> >>>>securing sustainability as well as expansion, >>>> >>>>3.?????? Licensing more rural private postal/courier operators >>>> >>>>4.?????? Liberalizing where possible certain existing postal >>>>exclusive >>>> >>>>services currently reserved for PCK to encourage growth. We have >>>>commenced a comprehensive study in this area to inform the review. >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Best regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Christopher Wambua >>>> >>>>Manager ? Communications >>>> >>>>Consumer and Public Affairs Department >>>> >>>>Communications Commission of Kenya >>>> >>>>P.O. Box 14448 NAIROBI 00800 >>>> >>>>Tel: +254 20 4242209 >>>> >>>>info(a)cck.go.ke >>>> >>>>www.cck.go.ke >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>From: lordmwesh(a)gmail.com [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>Kivuva >>>>Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:36 PM >>>>To: Wambua, Christopher >>>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - >>>>regurgitated >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Thank you Wambua, >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>I had seen that especially on Page 24 of your strategic plan "6. >>>>Postal and Courier Penetration (Population >>>> >>>>Per Post Office and/or Courier Outlets) from 29,992 to 20,000" >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>You understand the folly of relying on private couriers, they have a >>>>discretion of deciding where to pitch their business. Do you know >>>>even private couriers rely on Posta and EMS to reach Lokitang, >>>>Loitoktok and Longisa? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>______________________ >>>>Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya. >>>>twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>> >>>>google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>On 4 December 2013 21:07, Wambua, Christopher <Wambua(a)cck.go.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>Kivuva, >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>You may wish to note that, from a regulatory perspective, postal >>>>outlets also include private courier outlets whose numbers have been >>>>growing consistently at a rate of 20 outlets per annum. ? >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>According to the Kenya Information and Communications Act, Cap 411A, >>>>the post refers to any system for the delivery of postal articles. A >>>>postal article is anything deliverable by post. >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Best regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Christopher Wambua >>>> >>>>Manager ? Communications >>>> >>>>Consumer and Public Affairs Department >>>> >>>>Communications Commission of Kenya >>>> >>>>P.O. Box 14448 NAIROBI 00800 >>>> >>>>Tel: +254 20 4242209 >>>> >>>>info(a)cck.go.ke >>>> >>>>www.cck.go.ke >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>From: kictanet >>>>[mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>Behalf Of Kivuva >>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 4:59 PM >>>>To: Wambua, Christopher >>>> >>>> >>>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - >>>>regurgitated >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>There is no e-commerce without a distribution network. >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>In CCK's 5 Year strategic plan, they have promised to increase >>>>Postal /Courier services from 28,000people/postOffice to 20,000. I >>>>asked last week how they intend to achieve that! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>______________________ >>>>Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya. >>>>twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>> >>>>google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>On 2 December 2013 21:03, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>Listers, >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>If anyone of you can get the following link to either the Cabinet >>>>Secretary for IC&T Dr. Matiangi and the Posta Master General Dr. >>>>Kinara please forward it and hopefully they will realise that >>>>closing post office locations and laying off staff is the worst >>>>thing they can do for the growth of e-commerce in the region. >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>http://www.bloomberg.com/video/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-amazon-packag >>>>e-oFml8Y >>>>tmTsO0dS3yjwPZng.html >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Regards >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Robert Yawe >>>>KAY System Technologies Ltd >>>>Phoenix House, 6th Floor >>>>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >>>>Kenya >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>On Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 11:44, robert yawe >>>><robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>Yesterday PCK launched their payment platform which allows me to >>>>regurgitate a post, below, that I did in 2010 when I started my >>>>public campaign to be appointed the PMG. >>>> >>>>At the launch a clear statement was made on how the government will >>>>use the PCK infrastructure to deliver its services to the public a >>>>position that was many a times reiterated by Dr. Kate Getao the ICT >>>>Secretary, her strategy unlike many of the others seems like it will come to pass.? >>>> >>>> >>>>The PASHA, Digital Village and most of the other initiatives have >>>>all fallen by the wayside and the one that was ever going to be >>>>sustainable has emerged victorious, which raises the question of >>>>what has changed in the last 100 days? >>>> >>>>??? 1.? Dr. Ndemo is no longer in charge of the Information ministry >>>>(even though the former minister Hon. Pogisho was prominent at the PCK launch) ??? >>>>2.? Mr. Paul Kukubo left the KICT Board ??? 3.? KICT Board to be >>>>placed under the e-Government docket ??? 4.? A digital focused >>>>President has taken up the reigns >>>> >>>>??? 5.? A realisation by those in government that PCK is more than stamps ?? >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>??? >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Forwarded Message ----- >>>>From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>>>To: Kictanet Mail list <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>>>Sent: Friday, 11 June 2010, 10:54 >>>>Subject: Postal Corporation Closing Outlets >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>It is with shock that I read about the closing of some of the post >>>>offices around the country by?Postal?Corporation. ?This is an >>>>indication of a management that has no vision or?ambition?maybe as a >>>>result of using the corporation as a retirement centre.? >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>With us trying to achieve universal access, >>>>?http://www.cck.go.ke/services/universal_access/downloads/FinalUArep >>>>ort.pdf, shutting down post offices is a step in the wrong >>>>direction. ?It is >>>> >>>>unfortunate that we have heard no reaction to this issue from the >>>>ministry of information, CCK or even Kenya ICTBoard. ? >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>It is time Postal corporation was run by someone who understands the >>>>transitioning of the role of the postal corporation in the digital >>>>age, to me they are the perfect platform for rolling out digital >>>>villages, outsorucing service and e-commerce. ?This will avoid the >>>>appointment of >>>> >>>>executives who are more interested in the supply of fuel, tyres and >>>>insurance as opposed to moving the organisations to new heights. >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Implementation of e-mail to mail systems would reduce the costs of >>>>transport incurred by PCK which makes up over 60% of their operational costs. >>>>?Unfortunately most of those who have been appointed to the post of >>>>post >>>> >>>>master general have no appreciation of the role of the postal >>>>services in the development of the nation. >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Do not listen to the myopic stories about the death of the postal >>>>service because of e-mail, facebok and twitter as you and I know >>>>that a physical item can never be delivered electronically. >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>I believe the appointment of the next post master general and by >>>>extension the chief executive of the Kenya ICTBoard and CCK need to >>>>include vetting and recommendations from the private sector with >>>>clearly defined performance indicators. ? >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Regards >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>Robert Yawe >>>>KAY System Technologies Ltd >>>>Phoenix House, 6th Floor >>>>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >>>>Kenya >>>> >>>>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>kictanet mailing list >>>>kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> >>>>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>>https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo .co. >>>>uk >>>> >>>>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT >>>>policy and regulation. 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Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
by Edwin Onchari 06 Dec '13

06 Dec '13

The corporation can tap into commercial ventures such as courier services for agricultural produce as well...I consume fresh "spider flower"--aka 'saga' from my native land brought to NRB each morning using PSVs. With the corporations presence all over, this is a service they can offer and people like myself would not mind having this delicacy delivered to my doorstep at a fee! Kind regards, Edwin -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 3:29 PM To: Edwin Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 79, Issue 33 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated (Phares Kariuki) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 14:51:15 +0300 From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki(a)gmail.com> To: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi(a)at.co.ke> Cc: Consumer and Public Affairs <cpa(a)cck.go.ke>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated Message-ID: <etPan.52a07033.5bd062c2.a8(a)pharess-mbp.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" There?s more than enough market for Postel. e.g. couriers have mushroomed all over Nairobi, that?s business that Postel could easily monopolise (they can hire riders in various towns to deliver letters door to door). Just because Nairobi doesn?t have a centralised addressing system it doesn?t mean that Postel can?t come up with their own system, which can be adapted by the city later.? From:?Ngigi Waithaka Ngigi Waithaka Reply:?Ngigi Waithaka ngigi(a)at.co.ke Date:?December 5, 2013 at 2:51:15 PM To:?Phares Kariuki pkariuki(a)gmail.com Subject:? Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated Listers, The bottomline question that plagues most Postal Services is whether they can be ran independently and at the same time at a profit? Postal Services provide such basic services in elementary communication that sometimes they would need to ran, for at least an entire country to communicate, even if they are doing so at a loss. As an example, I doubt there is little business sense having a Post Office for the whole of Turkana County, but, basic service delivery demands it. In a way, and as a country, we need to look at the previous Kenya Posts & Telecommunications as one with some parts by default probably being the revenue earners, others due to their very nature, revenue lossers. The targets we set Postal Services should primarily be about service delivery & revenue generation second. It would hence make more sense if Postal Services could guarantee delivery of parcels across the country in say 7 days, and hence boost eCommerce significantly when everyone, including that guy in North Horr has a distinct Postal Address rather than make a few billion shillings in profits by closing most of the postal outlets. Almost 2-cents worth... Regards Waithaka Ngigi A1.iO On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki(a)gmail.com> wrote: Postal corporation is an irrational corporation.? They are shutting down outlets, yet it?s almost impossible to get an address with them. The more outlets they shut down, the less valuable the entire network is simply because you have fewer locations you can mail.? We don?t need USF to expand PCK offices, we simply need rational minds running it.? From:?Wambua, Christopher Wambua, Christopher Reply:?Wambua, Christopher wambua(a)cck.go.ke Date:?December 5, 2013 at 1:55:03 PM To:?Phares Kariuki pkariuki(a)gmail.com Subject:? Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated Kivuva, ? We know that interconnection exists in the postal/courier sub-sector, and indeed CCK encourages it. ??That is why are basing our projections on both the public and private postal/courier operators. Just to summarize my two earlier responses, we shall realize the target by: ? 1.?????? Using USF to expand PCK post offices, 2.?????? Encouraging usage of postal outlets for government services hence securing sustainability as well as expansion, 3.?????? Licensing more rural private postal/courier operators 4.?????? Liberalizing where possible certain existing postal exclusive services currently reserved for PCK to encourage growth. We have commenced a comprehensive study in this area to inform the review. ? Best regards, ? Christopher Wambua Manager ? Communications Consumer and Public Affairs Department Communications Commission of Kenya P.O. Box 14448 NAIROBI 00800 Tel: +254 20 4242209 info(a)cck.go.ke www.cck.go.ke ? ? ? From: lordmwesh(a)gmail.com [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kivuva Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:36 PM To: Wambua, Christopher Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated ? Thank you Wambua, ? I had seen that especially on Page 24 of your strategic plan "6. Postal and Courier Penetration (Population Per Post Office and/or Courier Outlets) from 29,992 to 20,000" ? You understand the folly of relying on private couriers, they have a discretion of deciding where to pitch their business. Do you know even private couriers rely on Posta and EMS to reach Lokitang, Loitoktok and Longisa? ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya. twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh ? On 4 December 2013 21:07, Wambua, Christopher <Wambua(a)cck.go.ke> wrote: Kivuva, ? You may wish to note that, from a regulatory perspective, postal outlets also include private courier outlets whose numbers have been growing consistently at a rate of 20 outlets per annum. ? ? According to the Kenya Information and Communications Act, Cap 411A, the post refers to any system for the delivery of postal articles. A postal article is anything deliverable by post. ? Best regards, ? Christopher Wambua Manager ? Communications Consumer and Public Affairs Department Communications Commission of Kenya P.O. Box 14448 NAIROBI 00800 Tel: +254 20 4242209 info(a)cck.go.ke www.cck.go.ke ? ? ? From: kictanet [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kivuva Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 4:59 PM To: Wambua, Christopher Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated ? There is no e-commerce without a distribution network. ? In CCK's 5 Year strategic plan, they have promised to increase Postal /Courier services from 28,000people/postOffice to 20,000. I asked last week how they intend to achieve that! ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya. twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh ? On 2 December 2013 21:03, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Listers, ? If anyone of you can get the following link to either the Cabinet Secretary for IC&T Dr. Matiangi and the Posta Master General Dr. Kinara please forward it and hopefully they will realise that closing post office locations and laying off staff is the worst thing they can do for the growth of e-commerce in the region. ? http://www.bloomberg.com/video/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-amazon-package-oFml8Y tmTsO0dS3yjwPZng.html ? Regards ? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya ? Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ? On Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 11:44, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, Yesterday PCK launched their payment platform which allows me to regurgitate a post, below, that I did in 2010 when I started my public campaign to be appointed the PMG. At the launch a clear statement was made on how the government will use the PCK infrastructure to deliver its services to the public a position that was many a times reiterated by Dr. Kate Getao the ICT Secretary, her strategy unlike many of the others seems like it will come to pass.? The PASHA, Digital Village and most of the other initiatives have all fallen by the wayside and the one that was ever going to be sustainable has emerged victorious, which raises the question of what has changed in the last 100 days? ??? 1.? Dr. Ndemo is no longer in charge of the Information ministry (even though the former minister Hon. Pogisho was prominent at the PCK launch) ??? 2.? Mr. Paul Kukubo left the KICT Board ??? 3.? KICT Board to be placed under the e-Government docket ??? 4.? A digital focused President has taken up the reigns ??? 5.? A realisation by those in government that PCK is more than stamps ?? Regards ??? ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: Kictanet Mail list <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 11 June 2010, 10:54 Subject: Postal Corporation Closing Outlets ? Hi, ? It is with shock that I read about the closing of some of the post offices around the country by?Postal?Corporation. ?This is an indication of a management that has no vision or?ambition?maybe as a result of using the corporation as a retirement centre.? ? With us trying to achieve universal access, ?http://www.cck.go.ke/services/universal_access/downloads/FinalUAreport.pdf, shutting down post offices is a step in the wrong direction. ?It is unfortunate that we have heard no reaction to this issue from the ministry of information, CCK or even Kenya ICTBoard. ? ? It is time Postal corporation was run by someone who understands the transitioning of the role of the postal corporation in the digital age, to me they are the perfect platform for rolling out digital villages, outsorucing service and e-commerce. ?This will avoid the appointment of executives who are more interested in the supply of fuel, tyres and insurance as opposed to moving the organisations to new heights. ? Implementation of e-mail to mail systems would reduce the costs of transport incurred by PCK which makes up over 60% of their operational costs. ?Unfortunately most of those who have been appointed to the post of post master general have no appreciation of the role of the postal services in the development of the nation. ? Do not listen to the myopic stories about the death of the postal service because of e-mail, facebok and twitter as you and I know that a physical item can never be delivered electronically. ? I believe the appointment of the next post master general and by extension the chief executive of the Kenya ICTBoard and CCK need to include vetting and recommendations from the private sector with clearly defined performance indicators. ? ? Regards ? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ? ? ? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co. uk The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kivuva%40transworldafr ica.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. ? ? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pkariuki%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngigi%40at.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Regards, Waithaka Ngigi Chief?Executive?Officer |?Alliance Technologies?|?MCK Nairobi Synod Building T + 254?(0) 20 2333 471?|Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28?|?M?+ 254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke

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Why internet costs in East Africa remain stubbornly high
by Ali Hussein 06 Dec '13

06 Dec '13

Despite a number of major undersea cables having connected to East Africa since 2009, internet costs have not fallen as expected with connectivity being out of reach especially to low income earners. According to a 2013 ‘Freedom on the Net’ report, an average user in East Africa requires up to $35 per month to access a stable internet connection: an amount that locks out the lowest paid unskilled workers who earn on average only about $50 monthly. http://www.itwebafrica.com/network/mozambique/232105-why-internet-costs-in-… *Ali Hussein* *CEO, 3mice interactive media ltd* *Partner, Telemedia Africa Ltd* Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.

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USA to Switch off the POT
by James Kulubi 06 Dec '13

06 Dec '13

You may be interested in the story below which state that FCC is working on draft rules to phase out the Plain Old Telephone (POT) network. You will be surprise that over 100 Americans are still using POTS. Below the story you will see that there are over 500 comments and that most people who have commented hate cellular 2G/3G/4G and Obamacare. -------------------------- US eyes phase-out of old telephone network The Federal Communications Commission is working toward drafting rules in January to formalize the IP transition -- switching communications systems to Internet protocol. And while FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler hails the technological advance, he has also spoken of maintaining the "set of values" that was used to ensure America's universal phone service. Click Here to read more ....http://news.yahoo.com/us-eyes-phase-old-telephone-network-023742404.html James Kulubi

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Community frequencies
by robert yawe 05 Dec '13

05 Dec '13

Hi Listers, I recently met a group of Russian developers who have a GSM base station that sells at a tenth of the mainstream ones as it is based on open source technology. The product could have a massive impact on many of Kenya's far-flung communities as it would allow them to set up community based communication networks especially where the ARPU is too low for the commercial operators to venture. For this to work we need to provide a license free GSM frequency such as the 2.5 ghz that is used for data networks, do you know if there is such a provision in the CCK regulations? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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