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Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 127, Issue 38
by Ory Okolloh 18 Dec '17

18 Dec '17

Question re standards...What are we modelling on? Who is the standards body in Silicon Valley? Estonia? India? South Africa? How does Google hire in Kenya? Africa? Facebook? Who were the ICT practitioners behind mpesa? Ecitizen? Ushahidi? Etc. Were theya part of KEPSA? Is there a country in the world where ALL private sector concerns have to go through a single body to be legit/heard (China?)? Is there a fantastic ICT skills Kenyan person struggling to export said skill because of no standards ? Was the Kictanet 100 days thingy for naught? Yet to understand how this is not a solution looking for a problem. But what do I know? (don't run away) Sent from my phone, brevity and typos expected. On 17 Dec 2017 7:24 pm, <kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: ict practitioners bill is back (Fiona Asonga) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 19:20:41 +0300 (EAT) From: Fiona Asonga <tespok(a)tespok.co.ke> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back Message-ID: <124527082.64059.1513527641007.JavaMail.zimbra(a)tespok.co.ke> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear Ali You were with us at KEPSA Offices when we asked that KICATNET nominate representatives to work with us on the ICT Practitioners Bill. Because we want to achieve more as an industry we ave continues to work with your representatives even on the Vision 2030 MTP III plan and other engagements we have had with the ministry of ICT. It is not about KICTANET being a member but being a partner and working with TESPOK, DRAKE, KITOS, BAKE, ICTAK and any other ICT association. The document we circulated through KEPSA to the Ministry and parliament included KICATNET as part of KEPSA. You may need to reconsider your statement to CS Mucheru. Secondly, the KEPSA partnership with KICTANET is not compulsory. However, it is in the interest of achieving similar set goals for the ICT sector as a whole. KICATNET is free to pull out of it at any time just advise KEPSA secretariat on the same. Together we can achieve more Kind regards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: tespok(a)tespok.co.ke Cc: "Ali Hussein" <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:11:02 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back Dear Bwana CS KICTANet NEVER asked KEPSA to handle engagements on our behalf. We engaged KEPSA to work as a team. Period. Never, did we abdicate our responsibilities to KEPSA because we are not KEPSA members. If KEPSA gave you that belief then I'm afraid that you were misled. And KEPSA should apologise for misleading you. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates T el: +254 713 60 1113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ali Hussein, This is the reason I keep off this list. You are calling me a liar and yet your team asked KEPSA to handle the engagements in this matter. With all respect going forward let's follow the agreed engagements between government and private sector. Ahsante Sana! JM On 17 Dec 2017 11:17, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: <blockquote> Bwana CS With all due respect. You are a senior government official and shouldn?t peddle untruths. KICTANet HAS NEVER BEEN PART OF KEPSA. We have collaborated only once on the ICT BIll. Most of us don?t believe KEPSA is representative of the wider ICT Industry. We welcome dialogue with your ministry and KEPSA on this. We are happy to be included in the conversation. We however CANNOT endorse a dialogue and discussions we are not party to. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 17 Dec 2017, at 9:04 AM, Julius Njiraini via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: <blockquote> Digital forensic expert is involved in investigation of fraud, abuse, embezzlement, larceny, conversion of any digital device, records and process. The report is supposed to be presented in courtroom and testify as expert witness. He is also supposed to corroborate evidence with other segment of crime scene using relevant laws including evidence act, criminal procedures code and cyber crime laws as best international laws in other countries On Dec 17, 2017 8:32 AM, "Julius Njiraini" < njiraini2001(a)gmail.com > wrote: <blockquote> Thanks for your enlightenment. Am just concerned about new emerging fields like information security and forensics which is mainly concerned with digital cyber crime and evidence presentation in courtroom. These is especially concerns for computer security and forensics professionals On Dec 17, 2017 6:12 AM, "Joseph Mucheru via kictanet" < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: <blockquote> The absence of dialogue and relying on media reports is a recipe for discord. The current views, sentiments and concerns raised in the group are justified only because there is no dialogue. Kicktanet is part of KEPSA who we are in constant dialogue even on this topic. Going forward, the need to dialogue through the agreed channels is key; So let me try and give a position on where we are; * I did state that we will need a Practitioners Bill and even clarified to media it would not be the current one * There is currently NO Bill in parliament. The last one lapsed and we would need to start afresh * The bill identified a need/gap in our sector that requires some action, especially since ICT is at the heart of the Governments development agenda * The Industry was opposed with the method/solutions proposed by the Bill but not the fact there is a gap * Other Industries have self regulating bodies and if our sector is to grow, we need to get organised and set this up. Why should government have to do it? * We are exporting our skills regionally and internationally and a need to standardise and demonstrate our skills is key. This is because we are not working in isolation, we are competing with other countries and Kenya must be able to demonstrate consistent and quality skills -- today we are blacklisted on various online jobs platforms because of a few bad apples, while we know we have some of the best talents, we are also losing tenders and business because we have not conformed to specific international standards and so the rating of our products/services falls short. (KBS is working on the standards) And for the accusations... * It was a private members bill and not sponsored by Government (We opposed it in its current form - you know that, otherwise google it). * Responding to questions from the sector does not amount to a "roadside decision", considering the level of engagement we have had on this issue * The Government is there to serve the people of Kenya and not just the sector in isolation * Skills Rating systems used by platforms such as Kuhastle.com , upwork.com ., cloudfactory.com , monster.com ..etc are examples of ways people are able to build and demonstrate skills both technical and otherwise * I have had engagements on this topic with KEPSA ( ICT Sector Committee ) - Mike Macharia being the Chair * I saw in social media many of you opposed to ICTAK being enjoined in the supreme court presidential petition, but none came out (Kicktanet included) to support/represent the sector, which was at the heart of the dispute. At the very least ICTAK was willing to come forward. * Similar to the Law Society, The Supreme Court should have chosen the ICT experts from the ICT Industry body? My advice would be for the sector to take the lead and suggest how this need/gap of "SKILLS RATING" standards etc.. can be addressed. We are on the same side. If industry does not take the lead, then Government will step in. As it stands, industry has various bodies and you need to agree on how to engage amongst yourselves. We are going to be successful and so let us push in the same direction. Finally, today the official engagement between government and the ICT sector is through KEPSA . (KICTAnet, TESPOK, KITOS etc.. are members and even when we engaged on the ICT Practitioners bill, the sector was represented by KEPSA, when we met MPs). The last discussion on Tuesday 14th December 2017 between KEPSA and the Ministry covered the following topics; 1. ICT Policy 2. Kick-off Industry meetings 3. Bills / Opinions - ICT Practitioners Bill 4. PDTP + Ajira Digital (Jobs) 5. Flagship Projects 6. Constituency Development Hubs 7. ICTA Engagement with Counties 8. Enterprise Kenya 9. Blockchain Thank you! On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Andrew Alston via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: <blockquote> Hi All, So ? having seen an article in the standardmedia in which elements of what I stated below were quoted ? and to which there seem to have been responses ? I now need to comment further: (Article found at: https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/ 2001263257/techies-oppose-move-to-introduce-new-ict-watchdog ) Mucheru, however, denies that the Bill will lock out experts without formal training insisting the reverse will be the case. ?This Bill will benefit the people who have been working in technical capacity for years but have not acquired certificates,? he explained. ?If they can demonstrate their proficiency to the Institute then they can get certified and widen the scope of jobs they can bid or apply for.? So ? I have a question ? What will be the method of demonstrating proficiency and how will this be tested ? and what will it cost ? and how long will it take. Now ? let me break the questions down a bit 1. The ICT field is vast ? are you going to test proficiency in programming? In networking? In security? In database administration? In desktop support? In Linux? Freebsd? Microsoft? Solaris? AIX? What is the test going to be ? and who is going to administer these tests 2. What makes an industry body more capable of testing proficiency than Cisco, Juniper, Huawei or any of the other vendors ? the bill does * NOT * cater for industry standard certification outside of formal education ? it simply is not in there ? and if you are not going to accept these and are going to have this industry body determine proficiency ? we need to know how this will be done and how the people testing proficiency will be qualified to do it ? and in what fields they are qualified to test proficiency. 3. What is the cost of this testing of proficiency ? does an individual who has certified as a CCIE at the cost of thousands ? and in some cases tens of thousands ? of dollars suddenly need to pay more to demonstrate something that he has clearly already demonstrated? Who will it be paid for? How will the money be utilized? Will this be included in the license fee for the first year? Or will this suddenly cost extra so someone can make some money? 4. How does does it take to ?demonstrate proficiency? ? and if I bring in someone from outside to train my staff in a new field of technology ? is he going to be made to sit some kind of exam? Or pay some kind of fee before he can upskill Kenyans? Because ? lets be real ? that is not going to happen ? it will be the death of bringing in people to impart knowledge. Let me be blunt ? more than half the authors of the RFC?s within the IETF would not qualify under the bill as it stands ? this means they would have to ?demonstrate? their proficiency ? despite the fact that they have their names on Internet standards ? and if people expect these individuals to sit exams or prove to people that they know what they are doing ? despite the knowledge having been clearly demonstrated (which is why they are being flown in in the first place, to train Kenyans in skills that are not available in the country so that those Kenyans can continue to further upskill and lift up the industry) ? you can kiss goodbye to having cutting edge people coming into this country ? it simply won?t happen ? and it will be Kenya that loses out. Then to comment on this: Mucheru adds that the Government has held several engagements with practitioners in the sector on the provisions of the Bill. Correct ? there was massive engagement ? and the bill was largely defeated after the industry said it was broken ? after people on this list said it was broken ? after it was slammed left right and centre ? so yes ? there was engagement ? but the article is wrong about the fact that the engagement agreed that this bill in its current form was a good idea or represented the correct solution. ?There was consensus that we need to establish a professional body to regulate the industry,? he said. I have no problem with the concept of a professional body ? I have major problems with forcing a situation where people who have potentially decades of experience have to suddenly ?prove? their skills via some entirely undefined means at some undefined cost to a bunch of people who may or may not have anywhere close to the experience or knowledge of the person being tested. If we said that we had a professional body that people could register to ? and they needed to be registered ? and in the event of substantiated complaints the individual could be deregistered and blacklisted ? I would have no problem. It is the arbitrary and unsubstantiated and undefined criteria for registration that I take exception to ? and that I believe could result in expensive legal challenges. Please ? do not get me wrong ? I do not begrudge anyone who has a desire to genuinely root out the bad apples and clean up the industry and remove scam artists and fraudsters. I think that is a noble and pure objective that should be pursued. I however dispute the fact that this bill is the right way to go about it ? and I dispute the fact that university degrees have anything to do with competence in this industry ? particularly with the rate that technology evolves ? because an individual doing a 3 year degree who is learning specific technologies in his first year ? by the time he graduates ? those technologies are history ? and when he walks into the industry ? he is having to self study it all again ANYWAY. Let me give you examples of technologies that did not exist a year ago in any real form: 1. Segment routing ? the foundation of network routing going forward and the replacement to MPLS ? how do I know this ? because I?ve had my hands in crafting the specifications and doing a lot of the beta testing for it ? so who is going to test proficiency here ? it changes the game ? and the only people qualified to teach it ? or gauge the proficiency in it ? do not themselves qualify under this bill to be registered. 2. Network telemetry processing ? first introduced in limited form in Q3 2015 ? and only now becoming main stream ? but within a year of it being main stream ? it will replace standard network monitoring entirely ? who is going to teach that with a university degree? 3. Which university degree teaches BGP? BGP-LU? ISIS? Network segmentation? IPv6 addressing? The list is endless ? these are things that cannot be learnt through a degree ? they are learnt through industry standard certification or self-skilling by reading documentation. So, Mr Mucheru ? please ? do not read me wrong ? I have tremendous respect for the regulator in this country ? and it is testament to how well the Kenyan industry and the regulatory environment here works that today ? Kenya has higher average mobile broadband speeds than either the US or South Africa or a lot of other places. It is testament to the regulatory environment here that we have the high-speed networks we do ? and that the pricing is as low as it is ? because the industry is competitive and open and innovative. This list of things the regulator has gotten right in this country is long - I do however plead with you, the bill as it stands would break the industry that all of us ? yourself ? myself ? and so many others have worked so hard to build. I am NOT against a professional body ? I am NOT against formalizing things ? but I beg you ? do not walk down the road of this current bill in its current form ? it will be death to this industry in this country. Andrew Alston From: Andrew Alston < Andrew.Alston(a)liquidtelecom.com > Date: Monday, 4 December 2017 at 01:24 To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Cc: Liz Wanjiru < lizwanjiru(a)gmail.com > Subject: RE: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back I have to say ? personally I cannot think of a worse piece of legislation that I have seen in recent history. Let us look at the net effects of this and the problems with it: 1. Large companies bring in consultants or external people where necessary to supplement capacity, to train and upskill Kenyan staff etc, while those guys are here, even for a week or two, they are compensated, and my reading of this bill is ? this would be illegal ? because you?d have to get every consultant you bring in accredited and licensed first ? which is impractical in the extreme 2. The list of highly skilled people with 20+ years experience who would not qualify for accreditation under this bill is extensive, globally and within Kenya ? this bill completely stops any form of knowledge transfer from those individuals and in fact will force a situation where Kenyan?s who wish to learn from some of the biggest names in the industry would be forced to go internationally to get that knowledge, rather than bringing those people in to train locally 3. It forces Kenyans who have spent years learning and honing their skills without university qualifications out of work and could well result in large scale job losses looking at the number of highly skilled individuals I know of who are working without qualifications 4. It prevents private companies from making what are normal business decisions ? who they hire and who they pay. That is problematic in the extreme ? in any normal situation if a private company hires staff that don?t perform ? those staff either get fired or the market rejects the company and the company disappears ? standard market dynamics ? in this case ? if a company finds extremely talented people they may be forced into a position where they have to hire less skilled people because someone can?t meet some accreditation requirement. 5. The bill has no recognition of prior experience ? no recognition of those who have published papers and are world recognized experts ? does not specify what the ?recognized? universities are ? does not take into account industry standard certification (CISSP/CCNA/CCIE/CCDP/JNCIE/JNCIP/JNCIA, the list is endless) 6. May well end up in the constitutional court when it deprives a host of people who have spent their lives working in this industry and have no other options for a career of the ability to earn a living The bill relies on the belief that a university qualification some how makes you better than those without ? it?s reasoning that has been disproved globally for years and years and years ? and it flies in the face of the global industry and the way the ICT industry has worked since the day it began. It is damaging to the industry in Kenya ? it is damaging to the growth prospects of the economy as a result ? it is damaging to the people of Kenya ? and it will destroy the position that Kenya is in as one of the leaders of the ICT industry on the continent (Kenya already has the highest average broadband speeds on the continent and significantly better ICT infrastructure than you will find even in South Africa ? it is doing so well ? why break a system that is proving functional?) I really hope this does not pass ? and if it does ? will be curious to see the court challenges and how they play out ? but I think this is madness personally ? and in the name of stopping a few bad individuals ? penalizes the entire country and will destroy an industry that employs thousands. Andrew From: kictanet [mailto: kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston = liquidtelecom.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke ] On Behalf Of Liz Wanjiru via kictanet Sent: 04 December 2017 06:43 To: Andrew Alston < Andrew.Alston(a)liquidtelecom.com > Cc: Liz Wanjiru < lizwanjiru(a)gmail.com > Subject: Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back Hi, While trying to push such laws shouldn't they be looking at credentialing people without formal ICT schooling but have the experience, knowledge and skills to back them? These people have talent and positively contribute in the industry. Some countries have learning institutions credentialing professionals based on their body of work and so long as they can demonstrate this they are awarded the degrees or other government approved certifications. Here is an example of such Link Liz On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: <blockquote> I wonder how some of the ground breaking technology companies - such as for instance Google Kenya, can operate if this bill is passed. On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Watila Alex via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: <blockquote> EricKigada: Kenya?s controversial ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 to be tabled in parliament again techmoran.com/kenyas-controv ? https://twitter.com/EricKigada/status/937309893954031616 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/ultimateprogramer%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. </blockquote> -- Kind Regards Liz Wanjiru _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/joe%40mucheru.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. </blockquote> -- Joseph Mucheru E.G.H Cabinet Secretary Ministry of Information Communications & Technology (ICT) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/njiraini2001%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/info%40campusciti.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. </blockquote> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/joe%40mucheru.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. </blockquote> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. </blockquote> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/tespok%40tespok.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back
by S.M. Muraya 18 Dec '17

18 Dec '17

KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications We are discussing associations rather than policy. A benefit now is we know which association technocrats may feel more welcome in. No need for anyone to be flamed for misunderstandings. Also, suspect the KEPSA ICT reps may be associated with elitism if not business practices that rub some on an activist "Open Society" list the wrong way. Last year, the Govt opposed the bill. http://www.mygov.go.ke/government-rejects-ict-practitioners-bill/ Let us strike while the iron is hot, while we have a CS who really understands where the world is heading to digitally. Let us engage the CS decently, diplomatically. He may even call for open (non vendor, non tenderprenuership, non elitist) meetings (like Kictanet does best in Kenya) to gather more feedback. On Dec 18, 2017 11:11 AM, "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet" < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Replying to Julius Njiraini who has been posting one liners in support of the bill.....and also about this one organisation represents everyone.... we are a diverse country with varying interests. And diversity is good as it helps us to get different points of view on the table. No one organisation has monopoly of views in ICT or any other sector. We must dissuade ourselves from the notion that people need the law or a new law to organise themselves. Humans are social and they organise naturally. KEPSA, KICTANet, ISACA and many others who engage on ICT policy exsist without a special law? I hope this debate can shift from forced association through ICT Practitioners Bill to identifying the problems and seeking solutions. In my view, one main challenge is that the Ministry could be more responsive to stakeholders who want to engage with it. And this should be any and all stakeholders who are interested be they organisations or individuals, all sectors- private, academia, techies and civil society. More openess than closeness please! On 18 Dec 2017 02:02, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > @Fiona > > I stand by my statement. > > We DID NOT mandate KEPSA to speak on our behalf but we created an > inclusive team. This was a partnership. Even the letter to parliament had > all our logos. KEPSA, BAKE, KICTANET etc. And yes that team was > specifically set up to kill the ICT Bill. That work was concluded. To hear > of a revived initiative that purported to have a representative from > KICTANet is really a surprise to us all. > > If I recall the representatives from KICTANet were myself and Grace Bomu. > John Walubengo was also part of the team in case one of us couldn’t attend > the meetings. If there were any further initiatives on this bill the first > time we heard about them was through the press. > > To be clear. I stand by my statement. KEPSA doesn’t have the mandate to > represent KICTANet. > > *Ali Hussein* > *Principal* > *Hussein & Associates* > +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > > Skype: abu-jomo > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a > habit." ~ Aristotle > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 17 Dec 2017, at 11:17 PM, Liz Orembo via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > For the record KICTANet was opposed to the ICT practitioners bill. > Please see the submission to parliament https://www.kictane > t.or.ke/?page_id=28886 > > On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> Listers, >> >> Allow me to add a comment or two. I believe we will start deviating from >> the main issue. >> >> Firstly, I think we need to very much understand where the buck stops on >> each matter. As much as yes, Bwana Mucheru, you require the industry to >> take lead in defining frameworks, there also needs to be guidance from the >> top. KICTANET <https://www.kictanet.or.ke/> is (as on the website) a >> catalyst for reforms. Bwana Mucheru these reforms need to be worked on by >> the both of us. We need you to become a part of the process together with >> all of us. The whole point of having the MoICT and bodies like Kictanet >> (which are catalysts) is the fact that we need to work together. Silos >> don't solve a problem. >> >> Bwana Mucheru, also I may not recollect this list necessarily being >> hostile in the past. And as any of us, you have a right to make your >> comments heard, and also I believe we need to also have a feedback loop >> between all of us. I think through the KICTANET website it is evident >> KICTANET has been doing its job well. If there are ways KICTANET can >> improve, Bwana Mucheru, feel free to raise the suggestions. This country >> belongs to all of us Sir. >> >> Lastly, Bwana Mucheru, this list has too many members who are strategic >> to the development of our country. And all of us need to be engaged with >> you. I think it will not do all of us much justice if we see you refrain >> from commenting on it. Lets all work collectively. >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Fiona Asonga via kictanet < >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >>> Dear Ali >>> >>> You were with us at KEPSA Offices when we asked that KICATNET nominate >>> representatives to work with us on the ICT Practitioners Bill. Because we >>> want to achieve more as an industry we ave continues to work with your >>> representatives even on the Vision 2030 MTP III plan and other engagements >>> we have had with the ministry of ICT. It is not about KICTANET being a >>> member but being a partner and working with TESPOK, DRAKE, KITOS, BAKE, >>> ICTAK and any other ICT association. >>> >>> The document we circulated through KEPSA to the Ministry and parliament >>> included KICATNET as part of KEPSA. You may need to reconsider your >>> statement to CS Mucheru. Secondly, the KEPSA partnership with KICTANET is >>> not compulsory. However, it is in the interest of achieving similar set >>> goals for the ICT sector as a whole. KICATNET is free to pull out of it at >>> any time just advise KEPSA secretariat on the same. >>> >>> Together we can achieve more >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> *To: *tespok(a)tespok.co.ke >>> *Cc: *"Ali Hussein" <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> >>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:11:02 PM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back >>> >>> Dear Bwana CS >>> >>> KICTANet NEVER asked KEPSA to handle engagements on our behalf. We >>> engaged KEPSA to work as a team. Period. Never, did we abdicate our >>> responsibilities to KEPSA because we are not KEPSA members. If KEPSA gave >>> you that belief then I'm afraid that you were misled. And KEPSA should >>> apologise for misleading you. >>> >>> *Ali Hussein* >>> >>> *Principal* >>> >>> *Hussein & Associates* >>> >>> >>> >>> Tel: +254 713 601113 >>> >>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>> >>> Skype: abu-jomo >>> >>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> >>> >>> >>> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, >>> >>> Chiromo Road, Westlands, >>> >>> Nairobi, Kenya. >>> >>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely >>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the >>> organizations that I work with. >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Ali Hussein, >>>> >>>> This is the reason I keep off this list. You are calling me a liar and >>>> yet your team asked KEPSA to handle the engagements in this matter. >>>> >>>> With all respect going forward let's follow the agreed engagements >>>> between government and private sector. >>>> >>>> Ahsante Sana! >>>> >>>> JM >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17 Dec 2017 11:17, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>> Bwana CS >>>> >>>> With all due respect. You are a senior government official and >>>> shouldn’t peddle untruths. >>>> >>>> KICTANet HAS NEVER BEEN PART OF KEPSA. >>>> >>>> We have collaborated only once on the ICT BIll. Most of us don’t >>>> believe KEPSA is representative of the wider ICT Industry. >>>> >>>> We welcome dialogue with your ministry and KEPSA on this. We are happy >>>> to be included in the conversation. We however CANNOT endorse a dialogue >>>> and discussions we are not party to. >>>> >>>> *Ali Hussein* >>>> *Principal* >>>> *Hussein & Associates* >>>> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> >>>> >>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>> >>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>> >>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>> >>>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but >>>> a habit." ~ Aristotle >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On 17 Dec 2017, at 9:04 AM, Julius Njiraini via kictanet < >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>> Digital forensic expert is involved in investigation of fraud, abuse, >>>> embezzlement, larceny, conversion of any digital device, records and >>>> process. The report is supposed to be presented in courtroom and testify as >>>> expert witness. He is also supposed to corroborate evidence with other >>>> segment of crime scene using relevant laws including evidence act, criminal >>>> procedures code and cyber crime laws as best international laws in other >>>> countries >>>> On Dec 17, 2017 8:32 AM, "Julius Njiraini" <njiraini2001(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for your enlightenment. Am just concerned about new emerging >>>>> fields like information security and forensics which is mainly concerned >>>>> with digital cyber crime and evidence presentation in courtroom. These is >>>>> especially concerns for computer security and forensics professionals >>>>> On Dec 17, 2017 6:12 AM, "Joseph Mucheru via kictanet" < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The absence of dialogue and relying on media reports is a recipe for >>>>>> discord. The current views, sentiments and concerns raised in the group are >>>>>> justified only because there is no dialogue. Kicktanet is part of >>>>>> KEPSA <https://kepsa.or.ke> who we are in constant dialogue even on >>>>>> this topic. Going forward, the need to dialogue through the agreed channels >>>>>> is key; >>>>>> >>>>>> So let me try and give a position on where we are; >>>>>> >>>>>> - I did state that we will need a Practitioners Bill and even >>>>>> clarified to media it would not be the current one >>>>>> - There is currently NO Bill in parliament. The last one lapsed >>>>>> and we would need to start afresh >>>>>> - The bill identified a need/gap in our sector that requires some >>>>>> action, especially since ICT is at the heart of the Governments development >>>>>> agenda >>>>>> - The Industry was opposed with the method/solutions proposed by >>>>>> the Bill but not the fact there is a gap >>>>>> - Other Industries have self regulating bodies and if our sector >>>>>> is to grow, we need to get organised and set this up. Why should government >>>>>> have to do it? >>>>>> - We are exporting our skills regionally and internationally and >>>>>> a need to standardise and demonstrate our skills is key. This is because we >>>>>> are not working in isolation, we are competing with other countries and >>>>>> Kenya must be able to demonstrate consistent and quality skills -- today we >>>>>> are blacklisted on various online jobs platforms because of a few bad >>>>>> apples, while we know we have some of the best talents, we are also losing >>>>>> tenders and business because we have not conformed to specific >>>>>> international standards and so the rating of our products/services falls >>>>>> short. (KBS is working on the standards) >>>>>> >>>>>> And for the accusations... >>>>>> >>>>>> - It was a private members bill and not sponsored by Government >>>>>> (We opposed it in its current form - you know that, otherwise google it). >>>>>> - Responding to questions from the sector does not amount to a >>>>>> "roadside decision", considering the level of engagement we have had on >>>>>> this issue >>>>>> - The Government is there to serve the people of Kenya and not >>>>>> just the sector in isolation >>>>>> - Skills Rating systems used by platforms such as Kuhastle.com, >>>>>> upwork.com., cloudfactory.com, monster.com..etc are examples of >>>>>> ways people are able to build and demonstrate skills both technical and >>>>>> otherwise >>>>>> - I have had engagements on this topic with KEPSA (ICT Sector >>>>>> Committee <https://kepsa.or.ke/sector-comittees/>) - Mike >>>>>> Macharia being the Chair >>>>>> - I saw in social media many of you opposed to ICTAK >>>>>> <http://www.ictak.or.ke/> being enjoined in the supreme court >>>>>> presidential petition, but none came out (Kicktanet included) to >>>>>> support/represent the sector, which was at the heart of the dispute. At the >>>>>> very least ICTAK <http://www.ictak.or.ke/> was willing to come >>>>>> forward. >>>>>> - Similar to the Law Society, The Supreme Court should have >>>>>> chosen the ICT experts from the ICT Industry body? >>>>>> >>>>>> My advice would be for the sector to take the lead and suggest how >>>>>> this need/gap of* "SKILLS RATING" standards etc.. *can be addressed. >>>>>> We are on the same side. If industry does not take the lead, then >>>>>> Government will step in. As it stands, industry has various bodies and you >>>>>> need to agree on how to engage amongst yourselves. We are going to be >>>>>> successful and so let us push in the same direction. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, today the official engagement between government and the ICT >>>>>> sector is through KEPSA <https://kepsa.or.ke/> . (KICTAnet, TESPOK, >>>>>> KITOS etc.. are members and even when we engaged on the ICT Practitioners >>>>>> bill, the sector was represented by KEPSA, when we met MPs). >>>>>> >>>>>> The last discussion on Tuesday 14th December 2017 between KEPSA and >>>>>> the Ministry covered the following topics; >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. ICT Policy >>>>>> 2. Kick-off Industry meetings >>>>>> 3. Bills / Opinions - ICT Practitioners Bill >>>>>> 4. PDTP <http://icta.go.ke/digitalent/> + Ajira Digital >>>>>> <http://ajiradigital.go.ke/> (Jobs) >>>>>> 5. Flagship Projects >>>>>> 6. Constituency Development Hubs >>>>>> <http://www.ict.go.ke/constituency-to-get-an-innovation-hub/> >>>>>> 7. ICTA Engagement with Counties >>>>>> 8. Enterprise Kenya >>>>>> 9. Blockchain >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Andrew Alston via kictanet < >>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So – having seen an article in the standardmedia in which elements >>>>>>> of what I stated below were quoted – and to which there seem to have been >>>>>>> responses – I now need to comment further: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Article found at: https://www.standardmedia.co.k >>>>>>> e/business/article/2001263257/techies-oppose-move-to-introdu >>>>>>> ce-new-ict-watchdog) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Mucheru, however, denies that the Bill will lock out experts >>>>>>> without formal training insisting the reverse will be the case. “This Bill >>>>>>> will benefit the people who have been working in technical capacity for >>>>>>> years but have not acquired certificates,” he explained. “If they can >>>>>>> demonstrate their proficiency to the Institute then they can get certified >>>>>>> and widen the scope of jobs they can bid or apply for.” * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So – I have a question – What will be the method of demonstrating >>>>>>> proficiency and how will this be tested – and what will it cost – and how >>>>>>> long will it take. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now – let me break the questions down a bit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. The ICT field is vast – are you going to test proficiency in >>>>>>> programming? In networking? In security? In database administration? In >>>>>>> desktop support? In Linux? Freebsd? Microsoft? Solaris? AIX? What is the >>>>>>> test going to be – and who is going to administer these tests >>>>>>> 2. What makes an industry body more capable of testing >>>>>>> proficiency than Cisco, Juniper, Huawei or any of the other vendors – the >>>>>>> bill does **NOT** cater for industry standard certification >>>>>>> outside of formal education – it simply is not in there – and if you are >>>>>>> not going to accept these and are going to have this industry body >>>>>>> determine proficiency – we need to know how this will be done and how the >>>>>>> people testing proficiency will be qualified to do it – and in what fields >>>>>>> they are qualified to test proficiency. >>>>>>> 3. What is the cost of this testing of proficiency – does an >>>>>>> individual who has certified as a CCIE at the cost of thousands – and in >>>>>>> some cases tens of thousands – of dollars suddenly need to pay more to >>>>>>> demonstrate something that he has clearly already demonstrated? Who will it >>>>>>> be paid for? How will the money be utilized? Will this be included in the >>>>>>> license fee for the first year? Or will this suddenly cost extra so >>>>>>> someone can make some money? >>>>>>> 4. How does does it take to “demonstrate proficiency” – and if I >>>>>>> bring in someone from outside to train my staff in a new field of >>>>>>> technology – is he going to be made to sit some kind of exam? Or pay some >>>>>>> kind of fee before he can upskill Kenyans? Because – lets be real – that is >>>>>>> not going to happen – it will be the death of bringing in people to impart >>>>>>> knowledge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me be blunt – more than half the authors of the RFC’s within the >>>>>>> IETF would not qualify under the bill as it stands – this means they would >>>>>>> have to “demonstrate” their proficiency – despite the fact that they have >>>>>>> their names on Internet standards – and if people expect these individuals >>>>>>> to sit exams or prove to people that they know what they are doing – >>>>>>> despite the knowledge having been clearly demonstrated (which is why they >>>>>>> are being flown in in the first place, to train Kenyans in skills that are >>>>>>> not available in the country so that those Kenyans can continue to further >>>>>>> upskill and lift up the industry) – you can kiss goodbye to having cutting >>>>>>> edge people coming into this country – it simply won’t happen – and it will >>>>>>> be Kenya that loses out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then to comment on this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Mucheru adds that the Government has held several engagements with >>>>>>> practitioners in the sector on the provisions of the Bill. * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Correct – there was massive engagement – and the bill was largely >>>>>>> defeated after the industry said it was broken – after people on this list >>>>>>> said it was broken – after it was slammed left right and centre – so yes – >>>>>>> there was engagement – but the article is wrong about the fact that the >>>>>>> engagement agreed that this bill in its current form was a good idea or >>>>>>> represented the correct solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *“There was consensus that we need to establish a professional body >>>>>>> to regulate the industry,” he said. * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no problem with the concept of a professional body – I have >>>>>>> major problems with forcing a situation where people who have potentially >>>>>>> decades of experience have to suddenly “prove” their skills via some >>>>>>> entirely undefined means at some undefined cost to a bunch of people who >>>>>>> may or may not have anywhere close to the experience or knowledge of the >>>>>>> person being tested. If we said that we had a professional body that people >>>>>>> could register to – and they needed to be registered – and in the event of >>>>>>> *substantiated* complaints the individual could be deregistered and >>>>>>> blacklisted – I would have no problem. It is the arbitrary and >>>>>>> unsubstantiated and undefined criteria for registration that I take >>>>>>> exception to – and that I believe could result in expensive legal >>>>>>> challenges. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please – do not get me wrong – I do not begrudge anyone who has a >>>>>>> desire to genuinely root out the bad apples and clean up the industry and >>>>>>> remove scam artists and fraudsters. I think that is a noble and pure >>>>>>> objective that should be pursued. I however dispute the fact that this >>>>>>> bill is the right way to go about it – and I dispute the fact that >>>>>>> university degrees have anything to do with competence in this industry – >>>>>>> particularly with the rate that technology evolves – because an individual >>>>>>> doing a 3 year degree who is learning specific technologies in his first >>>>>>> year – by the time he graduates – those technologies are history – and when >>>>>>> he walks into the industry – he is having to self study it all again >>>>>>> ANYWAY. Let me give you examples of technologies that did not exist a year >>>>>>> ago in any real form: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Segment routing – the foundation of network routing going >>>>>>> forward and the replacement to MPLS – how do I know this – because I’ve had >>>>>>> my hands in crafting the specifications and doing a lot of the beta testing >>>>>>> for it – so who is going to test proficiency here – it changes the game – >>>>>>> and the only people qualified to teach it – or gauge the proficiency in it >>>>>>> – do not themselves qualify under this bill to be registered. >>>>>>> 2. Network telemetry processing – first introduced in limited >>>>>>> form in Q3 2015 – and only now becoming main stream – but within a year of >>>>>>> it being main stream – it will replace standard network monitoring entirely >>>>>>> – who is going to teach that with a university degree? >>>>>>> 3. Which university degree teaches BGP? BGP-LU? ISIS? Network >>>>>>> segmentation? IPv6 addressing? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The list is endless – these are things that cannot be learnt through >>>>>>> a degree – they are learnt through industry standard certification or >>>>>>> self-skilling by reading documentation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, Mr Mucheru – please – do not read me wrong – I have tremendous >>>>>>> respect for the regulator in this country – and it is testament to how well >>>>>>> the Kenyan industry and the regulatory environment here works that today – >>>>>>> Kenya has higher average mobile broadband speeds than either the US or >>>>>>> South Africa or a lot of other places. It is testament to the regulatory >>>>>>> environment here that we have the high-speed networks we do – and that the >>>>>>> pricing is as low as it is – because the industry is competitive and open >>>>>>> and innovative. This list of things the regulator has gotten right in this >>>>>>> country is long - I do however plead with you, the bill as it stands would >>>>>>> break the industry that all of us – yourself – myself – and so many others >>>>>>> have worked so hard to build. I am NOT against a professional body – I am >>>>>>> NOT against formalizing things – but I beg you – do not walk down the road >>>>>>> of this current bill in its current form – it will be death to this >>>>>>> industry in this country. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrew Alston >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston(a)liquidtelecom.com> >>>>>>> *Date: *Monday, 4 December 2017 at 01:24 >>>>>>> *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *Cc: *Liz Wanjiru <lizwanjiru(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> *Subject: *RE: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have to say – personally I cannot think of a worse piece of >>>>>>> legislation that I have seen in recent history. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let us look at the net effects of this and the problems with it: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Large companies bring in consultants or external people where >>>>>>> necessary to supplement capacity, to train and upskill Kenyan staff etc, >>>>>>> while those guys are here, even for a week or two, they are compensated, >>>>>>> and my reading of this bill is – this would be illegal – because you’d have >>>>>>> to get every consultant you bring in accredited and licensed first – which >>>>>>> is impractical in the extreme >>>>>>> 2. The list of highly skilled people with 20+ years experience >>>>>>> who would not qualify for accreditation under this bill is extensive, >>>>>>> globally and within Kenya – this bill completely stops any form of >>>>>>> knowledge transfer from those individuals and in fact will force a >>>>>>> situation where Kenyan’s who wish to learn from some of the biggest names >>>>>>> in the industry would be forced to go internationally to get that >>>>>>> knowledge, rather than bringing those people in to train locally >>>>>>> 3. It forces Kenyans who have spent years learning and honing >>>>>>> their skills without university qualifications out of work and could well >>>>>>> result in large scale job losses looking at the number of highly skilled >>>>>>> individuals I know of who are working without qualifications >>>>>>> 4. It prevents private companies from making what are normal >>>>>>> business decisions – who they hire and who they pay. That is problematic >>>>>>> in the extreme – in any normal situation if a private company hires staff >>>>>>> that don’t perform – those staff either get fired or the market rejects the >>>>>>> company and the company disappears – standard market dynamics – in this >>>>>>> case – if a company finds extremely talented people they may be forced into >>>>>>> a position where they have to hire less skilled people because someone >>>>>>> can’t meet some accreditation requirement. >>>>>>> 5. The bill has no recognition of prior experience – no >>>>>>> recognition of those who have published papers and are world recognized >>>>>>> experts – does not specify what the “recognized” universities are – does >>>>>>> not take into account industry standard certification >>>>>>> (CISSP/CCNA/CCIE/CCDP/JNCIE/JNCIP/JNCIA, the list is endless) >>>>>>> 6. May well end up in the constitutional court when it deprives >>>>>>> a host of people who have spent their lives working in this industry and >>>>>>> have no other options for a career of the ability to earn a living >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The bill relies on the belief that a university qualification some >>>>>>> how makes you better than those without – it’s reasoning that has been >>>>>>> disproved globally for years and years and years – and it flies in the face >>>>>>> of the global industry and the way the ICT industry has worked since the >>>>>>> day it began. It is damaging to the industry in Kenya – it is damaging to >>>>>>> the growth prospects of the economy as a result – it is damaging to the >>>>>>> people of Kenya – and it will destroy the position that Kenya is in as one >>>>>>> of the leaders of the ICT industry on the continent (Kenya already has the >>>>>>> highest average broadband speeds on the continent and significantly better >>>>>>> ICT infrastructure than you will find even in South Africa – it is doing so >>>>>>> well – why break a system that is proving functional?) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I really hope this does not pass – and if it does – will be curious >>>>>>> to see the court challenges and how they play out – but I think this is >>>>>>> madness personally – and in the name of stopping a few bad individuals – >>>>>>> penalizes the entire country and will destroy an industry that employs >>>>>>> thousands. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrew >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston= >>>>>>> liquidtelecom.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Liz Wanjiru >>>>>>> via kictanet >>>>>>> *Sent:* 04 December 2017 06:43 >>>>>>> *To:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston(a)liquidtelecom.com> >>>>>>> *Cc:* Liz Wanjiru <lizwanjiru(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While trying to push such laws shouldn't they be looking at >>>>>>> credentialing people without formal ICT schooling but have the experience, >>>>>>> knowledge and skills to back them? These people have talent and positively >>>>>>> contribute in the industry. Some countries have learning institutions >>>>>>> credentialing professionals based on their body of work and so long as they >>>>>>> can demonstrate this they are awarded the degrees or other government >>>>>>> approved certifications. Here is an example of such >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Link >>>>>>> <http://www.ara.ac.nz/study-options/centre-for-assessment-of-prior-learning-…> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Liz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet < >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder how some of the ground breaking technology companies - such >>>>>>> as for instance Google Kenya, can operate if this bill is passed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Watila Alex via kictanet < >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> EricKigada: Kenya’s controversial ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 to be tabled in parliament again >>>>>>> >>>>>>> techmoran.com/kenyas-controv… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/EricKigada/status/937309893954031616 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>>>>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/ultimateprogramer%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >>>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >>>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Ahmed Maawy* >>>>>>> Head of Corporate Products - Al Jazeera Media Network >>>>>>> Skype: ultimateprogramer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/lizwanjiru%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >>>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >>>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Liz Wanjiru >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/joe%40mucheru.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >>>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >>>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Joseph Mucheru E.G.H >>>>>> *Cabinet Secretary* >>>>>> Ministry of Information Communications & Technology (ICT) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/njiraini2001%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>>> >>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>> ailman/options/kictanet/info%40campusciti.com >>>> >>>> >>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>> >>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>> ailman/options/kictanet/joe%40mucheru.com >>>> >>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>> >>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>> ailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com >>>> >>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>> >>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>> ailman/options/kictanet/tespok%40tespok.co.ke >>> >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>> >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>> ailman/options/kictanet/ultimateprogramer%40gmail.com >>> >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>> >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Ahmed Maawy* >> Head of Corporate Products - Al Jazeera Media Network >> Skype: ultimateprogramer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >> ailman/options/kictanet/lizorembo%40gmail.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> >> > > > -- > > Best regards. > Liz. > > PGP ID: 0x1F3488BF > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m > ailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m > ailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.com > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m ailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qual

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Re: [kictanet] End of Net Neutrality?
by Joseph Mucheru 18 Dec '17

18 Dec '17

Wow! Such bitterness... I have pronounced myself on various occasions on Net Neutrality. It's unfair to say we in MOICT ignore this topic. As it stands, what position has the industry given to us policy makers? As regards the policy, it is at Cabinet awaiting approval alongside other bills and policies. It will be interesting to know how we at MOICT are playing around with your livelihoods as well.. JM On 15 Dec 2017 09:04, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Bernard The answer depends on who you ask. 1. KITOS 2. TESPOK 3. ICTAK ( That of the ICT Practitioners Bill shame) 4. KICTANET 5. KEPSA At this point your guess is as good as mine. Which brings me to the question why this case maybe. Why we don’t have an association that can engage Government meaningfully. We, all of us, have ourselves to blame. Each of us is so focused in their own little cocoons and speak with no single voice that the Mandarins and Apparatchiks at MOICT can and will continue to play around with our livelihoods. Regards *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 15 Dec 2017, at 7:24 AM, Bernard Kioko <bkioko(a)bernsoft.com> wrote: Thank you Ali. Reading your response has got me wondering, as an industry which organization/association do we use to lobby ? On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 at 07:19, Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> wrote: > Bernard > > We in Africa first need to acknowledge Net Neutrality as a concept. Today > ONLY one country in Africa (Senegal) has even attempted to enact policy and > regulation around it. We have ways to go. > > Kenya, with all our advances have turned a blind eye to it. We need to > wake up. This list has consistently for the last 5 years talked about the > need to address this issue from a policy and regulatory framework. > > We have been met with utter silence. The first time this issue was > mentioned was in the defunct/dead as a dodo/aborted ICT Policy 2016. And we > know (or rather don’t know!) what happened to that document. > > My take? > > The free for all, do what you want and we (regulator and policy makers) > will just watch helplessly coz after all Net Neutrality is a foreign > concept. We don’t understand it. And neither are we bothered. Let the > Googles, Facebooks and Netflixes of this world fight it out with their FCC. > > It doesn’t affect us.. > > *Ali Hussein* > *Principal* > *Hussein & Associates* > +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > > Skype: abu-jomo > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a > habit." ~ Aristotle > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 15 Dec 2017, at 6:30 AM, Bernard Kioko via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality- > repeal-explainer/index.html > > Interested to see thoughts on how this affects Kenya. I am thinking maybe > hosting locally could avoid this, which would mean growth for local... > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ > mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/joe%40mucheru.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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Fwd: [Internet Policy] Network Neutrality Primer from Henning Schulzrinne
by Barrack Otieno 16 Dec '17

16 Dec '17

For those trying to understand the hullabaloo about network neutrality. This might be usefull. Regards ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joly MacFie <joly(a)punkcast.com> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 14:06:28 -0500 Subject: [Internet Policy] Network Neutrality Primer from Henning Schulzrinne To: "internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org" <InternetPolicy(a)elists.isoc.org> Helpful! In the run up to the vote ISOC North America Bureau Chief *Mark Buell* also *pegged some points* <https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2017/12/net-neutrality-fccs-december-1…> . [image: Henning Schulzrinne]Columbia University Professor, former FCC CTO, and Internet Hall-of-Famer *Henning Schulzrinne <https://internethalloffame.org/inductees/henning-schulzrinne>* has written an informative backgrounder on the current U.S. Open Internet Order repeal scenario - *What the December 14th Net Neutrality Vote really means: answering your questions. All of them.* <https://medium.com/@henningschulzrinne/what-the-december-14th-net-neutralit…> starting with the paradoxical definition of Net Neutrality - "You know it when you don’t see it." Conclusion: Clearly, rules other than those in the 2015 Order are possible within the existing Title II framework, but the current real options are variations of the 2015 Order or hoping that providers self-interest, the FTC and antitrust law will protect consumers. Unless the court overturns the 2017 Order, US consumers will be the, largely unenthusiastic, subjects of this experiment. He suggests concerned citizens '"limit the damage" by actively engaging their local representatives, especially at community forums. Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/9718#respond> See all comments <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/9718#comments> *Permalink* http://isoc-ny.org/p2/9718 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- - -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A

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Re: [kictanet] Internet pioneers call on US FCC Chairman Ajit Pai to cancel the December 14 vote to end net neutrality
by Barrack Otieno 16 Dec '17

16 Dec '17

Listers, Might be of interest to those following the net neutrality debate. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Christian de Larrinaga <cdel(a)firsthand.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:18:02 +0000 Subject: [Internet Policy] Internet pioneers call on US FCC Chairman Ajit Pai to cancel the December 14 vote to end net neutrality To: ISOC policy List <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org> Many of those pioneers are on this list. https://pioneersfornetneutrality.tumblr.com -- Christian de Larrinaga _______________________________________________ To manage your ISOC subscriptions or unsubscribe, please log into the ISOC Member Portal: https://portal.isoc.org/ Then choose Interests & Subscriptions from the My Account menu. -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A

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Re: [kictanet] The Dark Side of Internet Policy: How flawed policy can lead to censorship, surveillance and shutdowns
by Barrack Otieno 16 Dec '17

16 Dec '17

Listers, This might be of interest to some. Remote Participation will be available. Best Regards ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robert Guerra <rguerra(a)privaterra.org> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 15:11:05 -0500 Subject: [Internet Policy] IGF17/ 20th Dec. 1040: The Dark Side of Internet Policy: How flawed policy can lead to censorship, surveillance and shutdowns To: internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org Dear Colleagues, I would like to extend an invitation to those attending the IGF in Geneva next week to join us us Wednesday, December 20th, 10:40 - 12:10, in room Room IX/A for the session titled : The Dark Side of Internet Policy:How flawed policy can lead to censorship, surveillance and shutdowns A description of the session is available below and at the following URL: https://goo.gl/TrqHBt The internet’s promise as an open civic space for democratic participation has increasingly come under assault, whether by government laws targeting political dissent online, censorship, and network disruptions, to the sophisticated use of troll farms, gender-based hate speech, and propaganda to poison public discourse. Moreover, civil society elements most concerned with the ever increasing erosion of online rights - - investigative journalists, digital rights activists, and academic policy analysts -- are often under-resourced, and suffer from a lack of unity and direction necessary for effective counter advocacy. A seasoned panel of activists, academic researchers, press and media specialists report out dispatches from the front lines of four countries facing unique challenges and threats to online civic spaces and democratic engagement: Sri Lanka, Ukraine, Venezuela, and Zimbabwe. We’ll cover everything from “hybrid warfare” and gender based harassment online, to a new ministry of cybersecurity, threat detection and mitigation, and attempts to use hate speech codes to stifle free expression. This collaborative and multidisciplinary effort aims to highlight and present traditionally under-represented stakeholders and issues in this forum, and encourages audience participation. Moderator: Dominic Bellone, Sr. Program Officer, Counterpart International Speaker: Guy Berger, Director for Freedom of Expression and Media Development, UNESCO Speaker: Nalaka Gunawardene, science writer, journalist and development communication specialist (Colombo, Sri Lanka) Speaker: Andrii Puziak Taras Shevchenko University (Kyiv, Ukraine), Hubert Humphrey Fellow American University Washington College of Law Speaker: Iria Puyosa, Researcher and consultant on political communication, stakeholders relations, internet policies and digital strategy, (Quito, Ecuador) Speaker: Earnest Mudzengi, Executive Director, Media Centre (Harare, Zimbabwe) Speaker: Vitaliy Moroz, Director of New Media Development, Internews-Ukraine (Kyiv) Speaker: Sachini Perera is a Sri Lankan feminist activist currently based in Malaysia. She has a background in law, journalism and international relations, and has worked in strategic communications and advocacy with feminist and women’s rights organizations for the last decade. _______________________________________________ To manage your ISOC subscriptions or unsubscribe, please log into the ISOC Member Portal: https://portal.isoc.org/ Then choose Interests & Subscriptions from the My Account menu. -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A

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KTNNews: Storm over proposed new ICT watchdog
by Watila Alex 16 Dec '17

16 Dec '17

KTNNews: Storm over proposed new ICT watchdog goo.gl/szqkBZ ^CM http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRJa0YoX4AENBpe.jpg https://twitter.com/KTNNews/status/941925870037475328 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

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End of Net Neutrality?
by Bernard Kioko 16 Dec '17

16 Dec '17

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality-repeal-explainer/… Interested to see thoughts on how this affects Kenya. I am thinking maybe hosting locally could avoid this, which would mean growth for local...

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FW: Kenya Diaspora Homecoming Convention 2017 INVITE
by Margaret Nyambura Ndung'u 16 Dec '17

16 Dec '17

The Kenya Diaspora alliance invites you to the premier diaspora event in Kenya- The Kenya Diaspora Homecoming Convention where Kenya's 48th county will gather to discuss opportunities, markets, investments and more on prime and timely conversations and more so centered in the over Ksh. 250 billion+ in annual remittances from the diaspora community. We are indeed in exciting times for Kenyan diaspora community and it is our hope that you will join us and lend your voice, ideas and opportunities to this Ksh. 250, billion conversation. To register please go to www.kdhc.co.ke/register/ <http://www.kdhc.co.ke/register/> Thank you Aswani Oliver Muyela LaunchPad P. O. Box 34697-00100 GPO Nairobi 0736 98 94 24

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Beware! Malicious banking app prowling the net
by Sebastian Musyoka 15 Dec '17

15 Dec '17

FYI Teddy Njoroge,People Daily This week a set of banking trojans were discovered and identified by ESET researchers, had found their way past Google Play’s security mechanisms, this time targeting a number of Polish banks. Disguised as crypto monitor, a cryptocurrency price tracking app, and StorySaver, a third-party tool for downloading stories from Instagram, the malicious apps can display fake notifications and login forms seemingly coming from legitimate banking applications. Besides delivering the promised functionalities the apps are capable of harvesting credentials entered into the fake forms, as well as intercept text messages to bypass SMS-based 2-factor authentication. This is just an example of some of the malware cases recorded by ESET in 2017. A few high –profile cases impacted millions of individual users while dealing financial blows to major companies. Indeed, it is our hope that the public now has a greater awareness of threats and their severity, but the level of sophistication behind attacks continues to rise. What does this mean for consumers? Data is the new currency with consumers expecting to enjoy software at little or no cost. Vendors are now also in the data-collection business, increasing the cyber risks associated with data privacy. As a mobile first generation, a big chunk of our lives and activities are conducted via the mobile phone and other multiple connected devices. According to technology research firm Gartner, more than 80 percent (352 million) of all mobile devices sold in the last quarter of 2016 ran on the Android platform. With this in mind and noting that as more mobile phones and Internet of Things (IOT) devices connect to the web, the higher the potential for cyberattacks on the back of our increased individual risk profile. But even with this knowledge it is sad to note that many people still do not take their mobile and IOT security with the due importance it deserves. This lackadaisical attitude can be said to also affect the Small and Micro business space, not just in Kenya but across the globe. As hackers and cybercriminals become more sophisticated, it has never been more important to protect your business and personal data with the highest level of security. While it is fair to say that, ransomware and other manner of breaches will tend to focus on the larger enterprises owing to the potential for huge payoffs in credential theft and even ransom payments, perhaps it is time that focus was also brought to bear on the risks posed to the individual by unsecured mobile and IOT devices. The writer is country manager for ESET Kenya. http://www.mediamaxnetwork.co.ke/business/394126/beware-malicious-banking-a…

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