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Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
by emko＠internetresearch.com.gh 08 Nov '09

08 Nov '09

Kai, You know that what is happening here, has also happened in Europe and most recently Asia, my sugestion is one of the ways by which they fix it. The bigger issue is our markets are not matured enough for one business to depend on the other for provisioning of services, a precusor to the markets working, is to use regulatory policy means. Eric here > Eric, > > My business depends on those cables (in the duct). It is for me the CORE. > > So who would I trust with outsourcing .. And, if the duct gets cut (and it > will, 10, 20, 50 .. or more times a week), which cable will be restored by > whom ... Where will a manhole be set? How will we fit all the Joint Boxes > .. > > I think I should do a workshop and explain it from a practical point of > view > .. Forget that I work for one company! > > Kai > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: emko(a)internetresearch.com.gh [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Sunday, November 08, 2009 18:14 > An: kai wulff > Cc: emko(a)internetresearch.com.gh; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' > Betreff: Re: AW: [kictanet] Cable issues > > Kai, > > Congratulations on leading the way.... > > Ducting needs to be seen as part of the infrastructure for development > like roads, gutters etc. I explain this a bit more in my response to the > other Eric. > > Building and or maintenance of ducts can be outsourced to the private > sector, the situation of 5 operators fight for the best seat does not > arrive when you have the third party maintenance entity who is rewarded > for ensuring the ducts are useful. > > Eric here > > >> Eric, >> >> Actually we had fiber first .. >> >> But it is not that easy .. The question with a duct is: Who is doing the >> maintenance? >> >> If a duct gets cut, I would not want a scenario that has 5 operators on >> site >> fighting for the best "seat" in the house to restore! >> >> Rgds >> >> Kai >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:[email protected]] Im >> Auftrag von emko(a)internetresearch.com.gh >> Gesendet: Sunday, November 08, 2009 17:13 >> An: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues >> >> Mahmoud, >> >> While i agree with your simple but to be taken serious submission, i beg >> to differ on the substance and form of the underlining principle. >> >> It is the reponsibility of regulatory policy to ensure that >> infrastructure >> is shared and a common conduit is built so that different providers can >> blow their fiber, this is not a market failure situation but an argument >> for direct public policy intervention to ensure a certain market >> situation. In the absence of this, the same government through the >> various >> institutions collect all kinds of levies from the private companies >> knowing very well that they are building next to each other. >> >> It is important for us to ensure not only institutional saparation but >> stakeholder responbilities and outcomes in these discussions. The >> government and regulator must do their work in ensuring that when KDN >> wants to build fiber from Nairobi to Mombasa, they are told, telkom >> already has the ducts in place so go talk to them, pay a fee and blow >> your >> fiber. Blaming KDN for getting the license and building out next to >> Telkom, exonerate unnecessarily the responsibility of those >> institutionalised to do so and belittles the effort to institutionalise. >> >> Thailand just passed a law to make broadband a right, this would create >> the framework for private sector to ensure it happens or government >> would >> intervene to make it happen or they would be breaking the law they made. >> >> Eric here >> >>> >>> Providers need to share infrastructure,it beats logic to see different >>> providers digging next to each other on same side of the road,this also >>> inconveniences road users regularly especilly in urban areas. A first >>> timer in a route should have extra conduits that can be used by >>> competitors in future,once we share the suspicion of competition >>> sabotaging will reduce. >>> We also need to educate the public on the importance of the cable >>> network >>> to our country,economy and make a connection to how a cable cut impacts >>> on >>> their lives,ultimately the communities are the best custodians in their >>> areas,we should also encourage contractors to use locals in each of the >>> areas the cable is enroute and let them instill a sense of ownership to >>> this communities. >>> If government could perform well,local authorities and the state could >>> be >>> building and owning fibre routes or just the conduits and lease to all >>> interested providers. >>> With the fibre cuts each day we are reducing the kenya s potential of >>> being the preffered gateway to landlocked countries like >>> Uganda,Rwanda,S.Sudan etc,hence reducing our dominance in the region >>> and >>> in the process loosing economic/employment opportunities, >>> >>> Concerned,frustrated >>> >>> Mahmoud Noor >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:20:02 >>> To: noor<mahmoods21(a)gmail.com> >>> Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 30, Issue 14 >>> >>> Send kictanet mailing list submissions to >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Cable issues (kai wulff) >>> 2. Re: Cable issues (kai wulff) >>> 3. CISSP Review Course + Examination ( Nairobi Kenya) (Preston >>> Odera) >>> 4. Ignite Experience Center and Lifestyle Brochure (Njeri Rionge) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:14:08 +0300 >>> From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke> >>> To: <jairah(a)kippra.or.ke> >>> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues >>> Message-ID: <484401ca5f15$ab0cdfa0$01269ee0$@[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing, >>> negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we >>> attach >>> to >>> contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they >>> do, >>> we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you >>> might >>> only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor .. >>> >>> Frustrated >>> >>> Kai >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> [mailto:[email protected]] Im >>> Auftrag von jairah(a)kippra.or.ke >>> Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 20:40 >>> An: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke >>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>> Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues >>> >>> Colleagues >>> >>> What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical >>> infrastructure >>> from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other >>> infrastructure >>> that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business. >>> The >>> penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the >>> entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Eric Aligula >>> Sent from my BlackBerry? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jevans Nyabiage <jnyabiage(a)nation.co.ke> >>> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:07:21 >>> To: <jairah(a)kippra.or.ke> >>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> Subject: [kictanet] Cable issues >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: jairah(a)kippra.or.ke >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jairah%40kippra.or.ke >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kai.wulff%40kdn.co.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:16:41 +0300 >>> From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke> >>> To: "'Jevans Nyabiage'" <jnyabiage(a)nation.co.ke> >>> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues >>> Message-ID: <484601ca5f15$ae77f710$0b67e530$@[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Sabotage and Vandalism look very similar .. Unless we ask the people >>> doing >>> it we would not know the motives. >>> >>> >>> >>> The fault on Monday was caused by contractors of another operator who >>> was >>> not following procedures and who thought that by virtue of working for >>> a >>> partly state owned company he will be allowed to do what he wants >>> (happens >>> very often, treatment of Operators is still not equal). >>> >>> >>> >>> Today was clearly a fault caused by someone who ON PURPOSE cut the >>> cable. >>> >>> >>> >>> Did the person want to steal a cable and stopped when seeing it was not >>> metal or was he there to sabotage the network - I would not know. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kai >>> >>> >>> >>> Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> [mailto:[email protected]] Im >>> Auftrag von Jevans Nyabiage >>> Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 19:07 >>> An: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke >>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>> Betreff: [kictanet] Cable issues >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In the last few weeks there has been an outcry over increasing in >>> disruption >>> of networks with some of the affected firms pointing to industrial >>> sabotage. >>> >>> Safaricom was the first this week to claim "acts of sabotage" on the >>> disruption of its network. The Orange the next day arrested some cable >>> vandals and attributed it to suspected sabotage. >>> >>> This Friday (today) Seacom fibre cable went offline for about four >>> hours, >>> they said this was due to cuts on KDN fibre around Voi. >>> >>> Is this 'sabotage' real or imagined? >>> >>> Jevans >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is >>> intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain >>> confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No >>> confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. >>> If >>> you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all >>> copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify >>> the >>> sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, >>> distribute, >>> print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended >>> recipient. >>> >>> Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author >>> and >>> do >>> not necessarily represent those of the <http://www.nation.co.ke> >>> Nation >>> Media Group. >>> >>> To get all breaking news alerts send the word BREAK to 6667 or visit >>> http://mobile.nation.co.ke to read news on your mobile phone. >>> >>>

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Re: [kictanet] cable issues
by mahmoods21＠gmail.com 08 Nov '09

08 Nov '09

Eric If the regulator cck can formulate and enforce policies definitely things would not have been to the magnitude they are today But as eric aligula puts it in detail we need wholesome and long term regional approach supported with legislation to protect shared infrastructure,but at things stand now our good neighbour Tanzania may be considered a reliable partner to provide international connectivity via fiber. The way forward ? Eric has one of the best suggestions as what the US did in late nineties,we don't have to re invent the wheel. Mahmoud noor Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:36:47 To: noor<mahmoods21(a)gmail.com> Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 30, Issue 18 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Cable issues (emko(a)internetresearch.com.gh) 2. Re: Cable issues (Barrack Otieno) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:12:46 -0000 (GMT) From: emko(a)internetresearch.com.gh To: mahmoods21(a)gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues Message-ID: <13290.41.206.43.74.1257689566.squirrel(a)mail.internetresearch.com.gh> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Mahmoud, While i agree with your simple but to be taken serious submission, i beg to differ on the substance and form of the underlining principle. It is the reponsibility of regulatory policy to ensure that infrastructure is shared and a common conduit is built so that different providers can blow their fiber, this is not a market failure situation but an argument for direct public policy intervention to ensure a certain market situation. In the absence of this, the same government through the various institutions collect all kinds of levies from the private companies knowing very well that they are building next to each other. It is important for us to ensure not only institutional saparation but stakeholder responbilities and outcomes in these discussions. The government and regulator must do their work in ensuring that when KDN wants to build fiber from Nairobi to Mombasa, they are told, telkom already has the ducts in place so go talk to them, pay a fee and blow your fiber. Blaming KDN for getting the license and building out next to Telkom, exonerate unnecessarily the responsibility of those institutionalised to do so and belittles the effort to institutionalise. Thailand just passed a law to make broadband a right, this would create the framework for private sector to ensure it happens or government would intervene to make it happen or they would be breaking the law they made. Eric here > > Providers need to share infrastructure,it beats logic to see different > providers digging next to each other on same side of the road,this also > inconveniences road users regularly especilly in urban areas. A first > timer in a route should have extra conduits that can be used by > competitors in future,once we share the suspicion of competition > sabotaging will reduce. > We also need to educate the public on the importance of the cable network > to our country,economy and make a connection to how a cable cut impacts on > their lives,ultimately the communities are the best custodians in their > areas,we should also encourage contractors to use locals in each of the > areas the cable is enroute and let them instill a sense of ownership to > this communities. > If government could perform well,local authorities and the state could be > building and owning fibre routes or just the conduits and lease to all > interested providers. > With the fibre cuts each day we are reducing the kenya s potential of > being the preffered gateway to landlocked countries like > Uganda,Rwanda,S.Sudan etc,hence reducing our dominance in the region and > in the process loosing economic/employment opportunities, > > Concerned,frustrated > > Mahmoud Noor > Sent from my BlackBerry? > > -----Original Message----- > From: kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:20:02 > To: noor<mahmoods21(a)gmail.com> > Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 30, Issue 14 > > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Cable issues (kai wulff) > 2. Re: Cable issues (kai wulff) > 3. CISSP Review Course + Examination ( Nairobi Kenya) (Preston Odera) > 4. Ignite Experience Center and Lifestyle Brochure (Njeri Rionge) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:14:08 +0300 > From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke> > To: <jairah(a)kippra.or.ke> > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues > Message-ID: <484401ca5f15$ab0cdfa0$01269ee0$@[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing, > negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we attach > to > contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they do, > we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you might > only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor .. > > Frustrated > > Kai > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > [mailto:[email protected]] Im > Auftrag von jairah(a)kippra.or.ke > Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 20:40 > An: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues > > Colleagues > > What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical infrastructure > from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other infrastructure > that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business. The > penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the > entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side. > > Kind regards > > Eric Aligula > Sent from my BlackBerry? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jevans Nyabiage <jnyabiage(a)nation.co.ke> > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:07:21 > To: <jairah(a)kippra.or.ke> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: [kictanet] Cable issues > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: jairah(a)kippra.or.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jairah%40kippra.or.ke > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kai.wulff%40kdn.co.ke > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:16:41 +0300 > From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke> > To: "'Jevans Nyabiage'" <jnyabiage(a)nation.co.ke> > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues > Message-ID: <484601ca5f15$ae77f710$0b67e530$@[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Sabotage and Vandalism look very similar .. Unless we ask the people doing > it we would not know the motives. > > > > The fault on Monday was caused by contractors of another operator who was > not following procedures and who thought that by virtue of working for a > partly state owned company he will be allowed to do what he wants (happens > very often, treatment of Operators is still not equal). > > > > Today was clearly a fault caused by someone who ON PURPOSE cut the cable. > > > > Did the person want to steal a cable and stopped when seeing it was not > metal or was he there to sabotage the network - I would not know. > > > > Kai > > > > Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > [mailto:[email protected]] Im > Auftrag von Jevans Nyabiage > Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 19:07 > An: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > Betreff: [kictanet] Cable issues > > > > > > In the last few weeks there has been an outcry over increasing in > disruption > of networks with some of the affected firms pointing to industrial > sabotage. > > Safaricom was the first this week to claim "acts of sabotage" on the > disruption of its network. The Orange the next day arrested some cable > vandals and attributed it to suspected sabotage. > > This Friday (today) Seacom fibre cable went offline for about four hours, > they said this was due to cuts on KDN fibre around Voi. > > Is this 'sabotage' real or imagined? > > Jevans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is > intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain > confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No > confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If > you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all > copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify > the > sender. 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Box 15568 > Nairobi 00100, Kenya > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/attachments/20091107/86313b3…> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: LIFESTYLE BROCHURE v3.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 377074 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/attachments/20091107/86313b3…> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > End of kictanet Digest, Vol 30, Issue 14 > **************************************** > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: emko(a)internetresearch.com.gh > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emko%40internetresearc… > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:37:17 +0200 From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> To: Eric Aligula <jairah(a)kippra.or.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues Message-ID: <4ee4e32f0911080437oe4f9e0fl5407528d6c97e805(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greetings Eric, Thanks for your enlightening comments, the biggest challenge is that the kind of Information you are sharing should be availed at all levels in Society, at Chiefs Baraza's, Churches, anywhere where people congregate and can be educated since knowledge is power, looking through the eight sectors i can only say we are too ignorant, in short we must marshal resources and educate the public on the issues you have mentioned, Mulika Mwizi might help but it could be a short term measure, i was once taught that "he who knows why is always at the mercy of he who knows how", if we addressed the way we would not have situations where technicians from competing companies mess each others cables as i got it from Kai's post. Awareness is Key On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Eric Aligula <jairah(a)kippra.or.ke> wrote: > Just to expand the discourse on the cable issues and place it into some > wider perspective. As far back as 1997, the US Government identified eight > sectors it deemed critical to the national security and the essential > functioning of its economy. These were: > > 1. Telecommunications > 2. Transportation > 3. Water supply > 4. Oil and gas production > 5. Banking and finance > 6. Electrical generation > 7. Emergency services, and > 8. Essential government functions > > A President's Commission on Critical Infrastructure Protection ("PCCIP") in > October 1997, highlighted the topic of critical infrastructures and made a > series of specific recommendations for their protection. > > What does this have to do with the issue of ?cut cables?? At the height of > the post election violence and in some incidents thereafter, the movement of > produce and goods in Kenya became a serious issue. In fact as a > consequence, ALL of the neighbouring countries are actively identifying and > developing alternative access routes for their products and services. Kenya > Vision 2030 is predicated on an export led growth strategy that is and will > be heavily dependent not only on networked transport services, but also on > the fibre optic cable. The investment in transport and ICT infrastructure > are premised on the desire to establish Kenya as the region's preeminent > communications hub. The assurance that Kenya can and will consistent, > reliable and affordable access to these critical infrastructures is critical > to achieving these goals. > > It is thus important that players in the ICT Sector team up with other > sectors to insist on the development of a national, perhaps East African > wide Critical Infrastructure Protection Policy complete with accompanying > reviews and enhancements in the legal and institutional frameworks. It is > the only consistent way through which we shall be able to ensure security > for investments so expensively and patiently built. > > A piecemeal approach will work for a short while and we shall be > firefighting to eternity. The effort should focus on a comprehensive > intervention, while obviously dealing with the issues in the short term. > > My two cents worth. > > Kind regards > > Eric > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: kai wulff [mailto:[email protected] <kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke>] > Sent: Fri 06/11/2009 22:14 > To: Eric Aligula > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' > Subject: AW: [kictanet] Cable issues > > It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing, > negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we attach > to > contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they do, > we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you might > only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor .. > > Frustrated > > Kai > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > [mailto:[email protected]<kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>] > Im > Auftrag von jairah(a)kippra.or.ke > Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 20:40 > An: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues > > Colleagues > > What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical infrastructure > from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other infrastructure > that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business. The > penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the > entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side. > > Kind regards > > Eric Aligula > Sent from my BlackBerry? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jevans Nyabiage <jnyabiage(a)nation.co.ke> > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:07:21 > To: <jairah(a)kippra.or.ke> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: [kictanet] Cable issues > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: jairah(a)kippra.or.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jairah%40kippra.or.ke > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kai.wulff%40kdn.co.ke > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail… > > -- Barrack O. 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Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
by emko＠internetresearch.com.gh 08 Nov '09

08 Nov '09

Kai, Congratulations on leading the way.... Ducting needs to be seen as part of the infrastructure for development like roads, gutters etc. I explain this a bit more in my response to the other Eric. Building and or maintenance of ducts can be outsourced to the private sector, the situation of 5 operators fight for the best seat does not arrive when you have the third party maintenance entity who is rewarded for ensuring the ducts are useful. Eric here > Eric, > > Actually we had fiber first .. > > But it is not that easy .. The question with a duct is: Who is doing the > maintenance? > > If a duct gets cut, I would not want a scenario that has 5 operators on > site > fighting for the best "seat" in the house to restore! > > Rgds > > Kai > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > [mailto:[email protected]] Im > Auftrag von emko(a)internetresearch.com.gh > Gesendet: Sunday, November 08, 2009 17:13 > An: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues > > Mahmoud, > > While i agree with your simple but to be taken serious submission, i beg > to differ on the substance and form of the underlining principle. > > It is the reponsibility of regulatory policy to ensure that infrastructure > is shared and a common conduit is built so that different providers can > blow their fiber, this is not a market failure situation but an argument > for direct public policy intervention to ensure a certain market > situation. In the absence of this, the same government through the various > institutions collect all kinds of levies from the private companies > knowing very well that they are building next to each other. > > It is important for us to ensure not only institutional saparation but > stakeholder responbilities and outcomes in these discussions. The > government and regulator must do their work in ensuring that when KDN > wants to build fiber from Nairobi to Mombasa, they are told, telkom > already has the ducts in place so go talk to them, pay a fee and blow your > fiber. Blaming KDN for getting the license and building out next to > Telkom, exonerate unnecessarily the responsibility of those > institutionalised to do so and belittles the effort to institutionalise. > > Thailand just passed a law to make broadband a right, this would create > the framework for private sector to ensure it happens or government would > intervene to make it happen or they would be breaking the law they made. > > Eric here > >> >> Providers need to share infrastructure,it beats logic to see different >> providers digging next to each other on same side of the road,this also >> inconveniences road users regularly especilly in urban areas. A first >> timer in a route should have extra conduits that can be used by >> competitors in future,once we share the suspicion of competition >> sabotaging will reduce. >> We also need to educate the public on the importance of the cable >> network >> to our country,economy and make a connection to how a cable cut impacts >> on >> their lives,ultimately the communities are the best custodians in their >> areas,we should also encourage contractors to use locals in each of the >> areas the cable is enroute and let them instill a sense of ownership to >> this communities. >> If government could perform well,local authorities and the state could >> be >> building and owning fibre routes or just the conduits and lease to all >> interested providers. >> With the fibre cuts each day we are reducing the kenya s potential of >> being the preffered gateway to landlocked countries like >> Uganda,Rwanda,S.Sudan etc,hence reducing our dominance in the region and >> in the process loosing economic/employment opportunities, >> >> Concerned,frustrated >> >> Mahmoud Noor >> Sent from my BlackBerry® >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:20:02 >> To: noor<mahmoods21(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 30, Issue 14 >> >> Send kictanet mailing list submissions to >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Cable issues (kai wulff) >> 2. Re: Cable issues (kai wulff) >> 3. CISSP Review Course + Examination ( Nairobi Kenya) (Preston Odera) >> 4. Ignite Experience Center and Lifestyle Brochure (Njeri Rionge) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:14:08 +0300 >> From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke> >> To: <jairah(a)kippra.or.ke> >> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues >> Message-ID: <484401ca5f15$ab0cdfa0$01269ee0$@[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing, >> negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we >> attach >> to >> contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they >> do, >> we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you might >> only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor .. >> >> Frustrated >> >> Kai >> >> >> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:[email protected]] Im >> Auftrag von jairah(a)kippra.or.ke >> Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 20:40 >> An: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues >> >> Colleagues >> >> What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical infrastructure >> from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other >> infrastructure >> that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business. The >> penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the >> entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Eric Aligula >> Sent from my BlackBerry? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jevans Nyabiage <jnyabiage(a)nation.co.ke> >> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:07:21 >> To: <jairah(a)kippra.or.ke> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: [kictanet] Cable issues >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: jairah(a)kippra.or.ke >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jairah%40kippra.or.ke >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kai.wulff%40kdn.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:16:41 +0300 >> From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke> >> To: "'Jevans Nyabiage'" <jnyabiage(a)nation.co.ke> >> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues >> Message-ID: <484601ca5f15$ae77f710$0b67e530$@[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Sabotage and Vandalism look very similar .. Unless we ask the people >> doing >> it we would not know the motives. >> >> >> >> The fault on Monday was caused by contractors of another operator who >> was >> not following procedures and who thought that by virtue of working for a >> partly state owned company he will be allowed to do what he wants >> (happens >> very often, treatment of Operators is still not equal). >> >> >> >> Today was clearly a fault caused by someone who ON PURPOSE cut the >> cable. >> >> >> >> Did the person want to steal a cable and stopped when seeing it was not >> metal or was he there to sabotage the network - I would not know. >> >> >> >> Kai >> >> >> >> Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:[email protected]] Im >> Auftrag von Jevans Nyabiage >> Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 19:07 >> An: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> Betreff: [kictanet] Cable issues >> >> >> >> >> >> In the last few weeks there has been an outcry over increasing in >> disruption >> of networks with some of the affected firms pointing to industrial >> sabotage. >> >> Safaricom was the first this week to claim "acts of sabotage" on the >> disruption of its network. The Orange the next day arrested some cable >> vandals and attributed it to suspected sabotage. >> >> This Friday (today) Seacom fibre cable went offline for about four >> hours, >> they said this was due to cuts on KDN fibre around Voi. >> >> Is this 'sabotage' real or imagined? >> >> Jevans >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is >> intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain >> confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No >> confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. >> If >> you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all >> copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify >> the >> sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, >> distribute, >> print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended >> recipient. >> >> Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author >> and >> do >> not necessarily represent those of the <http://www.nation.co.ke> Nation >> Media Group. >> >> To get all breaking news alerts send the word BREAK to 6667 or visit >> http://mobile.nation.co.ke to read news on your mobile phone. >> >>

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Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
by Evans J. Nyagah 08 Nov '09

08 Nov '09

If we were to forget competition and be true patriots, we would ask ourselves how much it costs the users for the lost business, think of a crucial call that cannot go through because of a cable cut, think of hotlines et al? Users can however help us identify the culprits, always see who is first to knock your doors when you have a downtime as a result of cable cut? Does it tell you anything, how did they know, if you listen carefully to the sales pitch, you will be promised a more stable service and at that time you will definitely sign up because of frustration with your otherwise helpless provider whose service is "unreliable". By the way cable vandalism happens even in the most developed world "vandals slash silicon valley fiber optic " sabotage happens in Kenya. Be part of mulika "mwizi" if we are to get rid of this retrogressive behavior that is a big threat to the growth of the ICT industry and the economy at large. Evans From: kictanet-bounces+ejnyagah=telkom.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kai wulff Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:17 PM To: Evans J. Nyagah Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues Sabotage and Vandalism look very similar .. Unless we ask the people doing it we would not know the motives. The fault on Monday was caused by contractors of another operator who was not following procedures and who thought that by virtue of working for a partly state owned company he will be allowed to do what he wants (happens very often, treatment of Operators is still not equal). Today was clearly a fault caused by someone who ON PURPOSE cut the cable. Did the person want to steal a cable and stopped when seeing it was not metal or was he there to sabotage the network - I would not know. Kai Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Jevans Nyabiage Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 19:07 An: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Betreff: [kictanet] Cable issues In the last few weeks there has been an outcry over increasing in disruption of networks with some of the affected firms pointing to industrial sabotage. Safaricom was the first this week to claim "acts of sabotage" on the disruption of its network. The Orange the next day arrested some cable vandals and attributed it to suspected sabotage. This Friday (today) Seacom fibre cable went offline for about four hours, they said this was due to cuts on KDN fibre around Voi. Is this 'sabotage' real or imagined? Jevans DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the <http://www.nation.co.ke> Nation Media Group. To get all breaking news alerts send the word BREAK to 6667 or visit http://mobile.nation.co.ke to read news on your mobile phone. ##################################################################################### Scanned by MailMarshal - Marshal's comprehensive email content security solution. Download a free evaluation of MailMarshal at www.marshal.com #####################################################################################

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Ignite Experience Center and Lifestyle Brochure
by Njeri Rionge 07 Nov '09

07 Nov '09

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CISSP Review Course + Examination ( Nairobi Kenya)
by Preston Odera 06 Nov '09

06 Nov '09

Hi All, For those who have been longing to attend a CISSP review course in Kenya and then do the examination, K-90 is organising with ISC2 to have the review course in Nairobi from 22nd to 26th March 2010 followed by the examination in Nairobi around 10th April 2010. If you are one who has been preparing to do the examination out of Kenya (Dubai/South Africa etc..) then you have a chance to do it in Nairobi by contacting me off the list for more details. ISC2 will offer special rates to those who will attend the review course. Official announcement will be out shortly. Watch out!!! Those interested can contact me offlist. Preston Odera +254 (0)722771478

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Final Reminder: E-Gov Public Forum @ Jacaranda Hotel, Saturday, November 7, 2009
by S.Murigi Muraya 06 Nov '09

06 Nov '09

Dear All, Ms. Esther Wanjau will be joining us tomorrow (Saturday, November 7, 2009) morning at the Jacaranda Hotel. http://egov.comesa.int/en/contacts/24-national-e-government-focal-point-off… Time: 10am to 1pm. She will brief us on how we can get involved in helping Government develop Information and Transactional Systems to benefit all Kenyans. Dr. Joseph Sevilla of Strathmore University and other Technocrats will be with us to add value to our discussions / debate. *To demonstrate that we have Kenyans capable of developing the Information and Transactional systems our government needs: * The e-government discussion will be facilitated by Conrad Akunga, our own Kenyan Microsoft C# (an OPEN programming technology) Most Valuable Professional - Awarded to him by a world wide and world class community of software developers. We will also hear from a Kenyan who is part of a Private Company LOCALLY building a Web System (Service) that various (not just government) organizations subscribe to in some part of the EU. He will be interviewed by another Kenyan guru helping build some HR (System.Web) at the UN in Nairobi. Floor will be open to any queries about how they and their teams go about building these kinds of web systems and services. There will be refreshments sometime between 10am and 1pm. KARIBUNI! ___________________ Please e-mail me to confirm your attendance before tomorrow (Saturday, November 7, 2009). ___________________ http://blogs.msdn.com/interoperability/ *For the more technically inclined / interested, we will show 2 FANTASTIC 'History of Visual Studio' Videos at 9am-10am*

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Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] [ke-internetusers] Re: ICDL to be Gazetted: Is Open Office recognized?
by Barrack Otieno 06 Nov '09

06 Nov '09

Dr. Ndemo, Permit me to differ with you on this and agree with Waudo's position, such a move would be defeatist, let the market decide what it wants with regard to the Computer Applications, the issue here is about the skills and the market should determine that , Africa as a continent and we as a country are trying to catch up with the developed world and only "freedom" can can bring about innovation, i think governmnet should focus on Infrastructure and the global policy environment. I would like to get the opinion of other policy makers on the same issue. Regards On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Thank you. > > If they report your Open Source clarification clearly, then we may > consider dropping our open source complaint to MCK. > > regards, > > a. > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:11 AM, <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: > > I will be on KTN in 5 minutes to clarify this. Please watch. > > > > Ndemo > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> > > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:05:01 > > To: Zacs<mwatha_zacs(a)yahoo.com> > > Cc: Skunkworks Forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; ke-users< > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> > > Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [Skunkworks] ICDL to be Gazetted: Is > Open > > Office recognized? > > > > I have reliable information to the effect that the PS mentioned both > > Open Source ICDL and Proprietary ICDL. Now looking for the actual KTN > > footage to confirm what was actually reported, upon whose > > confirmation, if found skewed reporting as true we shall lodge a > > formal, open complaint against the media house to the Media Council of > > Kenya for misinformation on such a sensitive national subject. > > > > Regards, > > > > Alex > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Zacs <mwatha_zacs(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> I seriously believe there is no way ICDL can be a proprietary licence. > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> > >> To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; ke-users > >> <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> > >> Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 12:19:57 AM > >> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [Skunkworks] ICDL to be Gazetted: Is > Open > >> Office recognized? > >> > >> If they only gazette ICDL and leave out OpenICDL > >> http://www.openicdl.org/ we shall go to court to have the Gazette > >> Notice annulled on the basis of its illegality hence illegitimacy. > >> Contemplating such an illegal move would leave sour scars and in any > >> case we no longer have time for niceties play with Microsofties > >> family.. > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Rad! <conradakunga(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> I sincerely hope this is not the case. It would be very unfortunate if > >>> government forces citizens to take a certain route. > >>> From my small investigation ICDL seems to be a pretty widespread > standard > >>> that is supposed to be vendor neutral and not linked to any particular > >>> software. See this link for some > >>> information. http://www.ecdl.com/programmes/index.jsp?p=102&n=108 as > well > >>> as > >>> this one http://www.ecdl.com/programmes/index.jsp?p=108&n=119. 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4th Annual AfTLD African ccTLD Event 2-7 March 2010, Nairobi Kenya
by alice 05 Nov '09

05 Nov '09

(Apologies for cross posting) 4th Annual AfTLD African ccTLD Event 2-7 March 2010, Nairobi Kenya The African Top Level Domains Organization (AfTLD), the association of African ccTLDs, announces its 4th Annual African ccTLD 2010 event. The event will be held in Nairobi, Kenya from 2 - 7 March 2010 just before the ICANN 37 Meeting. The event will be generously hosted by the Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC), a member of AfTLD with the support of local sponsors. The Annual General Meeting (AfTLD AGM) which will be held on Sunday, 7 March 2009 will be preceded by a five-day technical training workshop on Initial Registry Operation Course (IROC), an initiative of ICANN/ISOC/NSRC, and introduction to DNSSEC. The theme for the event is “Enhancing Internet Management in Africa”. AfTLD hereby invites interested parties to attend. Among the parties expected to attend are: • ccTLD organizations from Africa and elsewhere • Telecommunications firms • Internet service providers (ISPs) • Governments • ICT agencies • Any other interested persons and firms. The workshop is part of AfTLD’s effort to enhance capacity of ccTLD managers in the Africa region to manage their registries efficiently and in a cost effective manner. Presentations will also be made on registry services and systems to inform ccTLDs in the region on the best systems and services that suits their environment. An update on AfTLD’s research activities with the Regional Top Level Domain Organization (RTLDO) and capacity building efforts will also be made at the annual meeting. More details including registration page, detailed event program, hotel and Venue information will be available on the AfTLD website (www.aftld.org) shortly. For enquiries on sponsorship and other issues please contact Eric Akumiah, AfTLD Administrative Manager, at email address secretariat(a)aftld.org. About AfTLD AfTLD was established in 2002 to act as a focal point for African Country Code Top Level Domain (ccTLD) managers in coordinating, formulating, developing and presenting a unified approach to issues related to the Domain Name System. AfTLD also presents a forum for sharing ideas between the regions Internet community with an aim of promoting the utilization of national country’s Top Level Domains. ------------------ Eric Akumiah AfTLD Administrative Manager, [T/F] : +233-21767466 [M] : +233-243380612, +233-203774281 [E]: eric(a)aftld.org [W]: http://www.aftld.org Skype: ericaftldsec ____________________________________________

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Please Join Us at Jacaranda, Nov 7, 2009, 10am-1pm
by S.Murigi Muraya 05 Nov '09

05 Nov '09

Dear All, There is a meeting at *The Jacaranda Hotel on Saturday, Nov 7, 2009 @ **10am-1pm. * *Attendance: Free!* PS Ndemo will be represented by the Head of IT at the Ministry of Information and Communications. We also expect a notable academic or two to add value to the discussions / debates. We welcome other E-Gov Practitioners / Executives to come and participate in a discussion to educate us on how we get involved in helping Government build Information and Transactional systems to benefit all Kenyans. We will hear from a Kenyan who is part of a Private Company LOCALLY building a Web System (Service) that various (not just government) organizations subscribe to in some part(s) of the EU. He will be interviewed by another Kenyan guru helping build some HR (System.Web) at the UN in Nairobi. Floor will be open to any queries about how they and their teams go about building these kinds of web systems and services. Conrad Akunga, our own Kenyan Microsoft C# (an OPEN Programming Technology) Most Valuable Professional - Awarded to him by a World Wide and World Class Community of Software Developers, Will Facilitate the E-Gov Q & A Session! Some of our more reliable Software (Web) Developers get to find out what our government needs from them and Government gets to find out our software (web) developers need to deliver working Information and Transactional systems for Kenyans. Spread the word to anyone you think may be interested. There will be refreshments sometime between 10am and 1pm. KARIBUNI! ___________________ Please e-mail me AND emmanuel.birech(a)microsoft.com to confirm your attendance - for planning purposes. ___________________ http://blogs.msdn.com/interoperability/ *For the more technically inclined / interested, we will show 2 FANTASTIC 'History of Visual Studio' Videos at 9am-10am* There are 10 parts but we will only show Parts 1 and 2 - which overview the other 8 videos.

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