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Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices
by Wainaina Mungai 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

Thanks Dorcas but the issue no3. here is that "media has become irresponsible and in the absence of action from the Media Council, KICTANet and similar networks should be strong in their condemnation of the abuse of press freedom; in the same breath with the condemnation of extremes from the government." I rest my long-winded case ;-) Peace WM > -------Original Message------- > From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni(a)kenet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > Sent: 06 Mar '06 17:27 > > Dear Members, > > Please lets not loose focus here. Lets go purely to the issues. I > believe it will be more objective if we focus on the issues at hand. > > My observation is: > 1. Self-regulation within the media is WEAK. The media council has to > wake up and be seen to be effective. > 2. The press freedom MUST be entrenched into the highest law of this > land and observed. > > Muthoni > > > Wainaina Mungai wrote: > > >1. Is the media in Kenya without blame? I have the likes of Standard/KTN/Kass FM/Inooro & Weekly Citizen et. al. in mind? > > > >2. If not, then why do we find it hard to demand better services to the Kenyan consumer? Why do we find it so hard to say "and we demand that the media report accurately and without bias in their service to Kenyans". Just that, and we would have moved a step forward in objectivity. > > > >3. The Nation did not publish the Kalonzo/StateHouse story because "it could not be verified" even after they objectively checked with their own sources - http://allafrica.com/stories/200603030414.html . The Nation did not find the story plausible and all parties (Kalonzo, Raila and State House) claimed it was a fabrication. Who is telling untruths here and why should KICTANet so readily believe The Standard story. Since when did it become ok to fabricate strories? If the story was true, did State House LIE to Kenyans? We cannot escape from putting the media to task here because a fabricated story would be a dangerous precedent that KICTANet and Kenyans in general must protest. The same applies if State-House told Kenyans a lie. We should not allow this story to go away because it imply that the highest office in the land has resorted to outright fabrication of which we must protest. > > > >4. Do we all remember that one of the senior editors at the The Standard was fired from Nation for taking a bribes so as to publish falsehoods? Why are we so convinced that the same would not recur in any media house? Don't we leavbe with the reality of Inooro and Citizen's biased coverage everyday? Is this the media Walu is asking us to defend? > > > >5. KTN or Citizen are not the "Kenyan consumer" of media products. Kenyans are helpless receipient of fabrticated stories while the media is teh offending party here. These media houses are not devoid of political bias and in some extreme cases, tribal bias. The days of people hiding behind an attack on "our people" when they are caught misconduct went in December 2002. No-one in government or outside it should use Kenyans as his defence when he has offended the ethical dmands of his/her vocation or even the laws of the land. > > > >Walu, the days of irresponsible media must come to an end as much as the days of draconian action. Neither the state nor the media has a right to abuse what freedoms and powers Kenyan (citizens and consumers) accord them. > > > >The Kenyan consumer comes first. > > > >Wainaina > > > > > > > > > >> -------Original Message------- > >> From: John Walubengo <jwalubengo(a)kcct.ac.ke> > >> Subject: RE: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > >> Sent: 06 Mar '06 11:16 > >> > >> Anthony, > >> > >> This is the fundamental issue. That this raid (whatever the justified reasons) was totally out of order. It does set a very dangerous precedence. If something like this is not condemned with the contempt it deserves, these 'Kanga' squads would soon get orders to move from the Media, and graduate into the other aspects of our lives...including your homes. > >> > >> I shudder when I imagine that a time shall come when fathers and mothers shall get ripped from their childrens arms, and then disappear into the night never to be seen, courtesy of the Kanga Squad - all in the name of 'national security'. Seems far fetched, but possible. All it needs is for one, two or more raids to happen without Kenyans complaining and suddenly it will become an acceptable way of resolving issues. > >> > >> It is a proven physcological concept. That if you want to boil a frog in hot water, dont drop it directly into hot water, because it will jump out and escape. What u do instead is to put it in cold water and then slowly and steadily increase the heat. Within 15min the frog never gets to know how it died. Kenyans must never for a moment agree to these types of assualt. They must not get accustomed to this kind of treatment. > >> > >> To me this raid goes beyond an attack on the media. It is an attack that goes directly into our collective ability as a nation to tolerate abuse from the high and mighty. We must chose to jump out of the hot water NOW...or slowly boil to our death. > >> > >> my fifty cents. > >> > >> walu. > >> > >> > >> >>> <Anthony.MUSUNJI(a)cec.eu.int> 03/06/06 11:58AM >>> > >> In a civilised society of which I believed we lived in until last Thursday > >> there are clear mechanisms to mitigate such issues .The attack on KTN > >> /Standard sets a dangerous precedence and I cannot believe anyone can > >> support such actions > >> > >> > >> > >> Anthony Musunji > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: bounce-kiplist-cl-102759(a)lyris.idrc.ca [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: 06 March 2006 11:25 > >> To: KIPlist > >> Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on > >> STANDARD AND KTN Offices > >> > >> > >> > >> Charles has raised very important points and i beleive list members should > >> ask themselves why the raid other than condeming...why was nation not raided > >> > >> > >> Charles Hunja <chunja(a)idrc.or.ke> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> ...and I am fully in agreement with Wainaina. Before any joint (or > >> "members'") statement is issued, we should first understand why, and if > >> there a need for such to be issued. Secondly, we should understand the > >> statement itself, its weight, cones, and relevance. I again disagree with > >> the statement, "Some events do not provide us with adequate opportunity to > >> consult each other". The only events which may not provide enough time for > >> consultation may only be those to do with organisation/office running, which > >> need quick decision of which the return/results are expected. > >> > >> Though we should be free to discuss any issue, we should re! alise that ours > >> is not a political tool but rather, a business tool. It is interesting to > >> see how some people and/or organisations are quick to accuse, by following > >> others before understanding everything. On the issue of the KTN/Standard, no > >> one has ever bothered to ask why the two house were attacked. Some say it > >> is because of the Kalonzo story. If I may ask, between "Kalonzo/Kibaki" and > >> the "Anglo Leasing" stories, which one of the two was more likely to hurt > >> the government? Which one was more damning. If it is the Anglo Leasing story > >> which was released by the nation Media Group, then why is it that nation did > >> not come under attack. The minister for internal security said he was > >> responsible and that the attack was necessitated by a threat in national > >> security. Full stop! > >> > >> What I hear everybody say is that Press Freedom is very important, and I > >> fully agree with them. Very very important. But why on earth should a > >> newspaper write on its front (or back) page that Mr. X! XX is a bank robber > >> and a rapist, and when followed, start crying out about press freedom and > >> freedom of expression? This freedom does not mean telling lies e.g. working > >> for particular politicians to insult others and so on. We know, (and I have > >> a case in point where) journalists are paid to accompany politicians. that > >> way, wherever they are and whatever they say is always covered by the media. > >> Anyway, what I am saying is don't pass judgement because others are doing > >> so. We shouldn't follow blindly. Before doing so, we should always strive to > >> understand the case first, by gathering all the evidence and listening to > >> all parties. That way, we may be armed to give a "fair judgement" > >> > >> Anyway, these are my thought and not those of the KICTNet. I guess the > >> network is a discussion forum. > >> > >> Hunja > >> > >> > >> > >> At 02:25 PM 04/03/2006 +0300, Wainaina Mungai wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Malaba, > >> > >> I was under the impression that a "KICTANET s! tatement" is a joint > >> statement that needs wider consultation so as to legitimise the words > >> below....because KICTANet does not exist without its membership. I may have > >> been wrong. > >> > >> > > > We the members of the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet), a > >> multistakeholder group of organisations > > > and networks from civil > >> society, private > >> > > > sector, media, academia, and development partners > >> > >> Wainaina > >> > >> > >> > -------Original Message------- > >> > From: David Sparrow Malaba <sdmalaba(a)yahoo.com> > >> > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid > >> on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > >> > Sent: 04 Mar '06 11:31 > >> > > >> > Dear Colleagues, > >> > I feel that as members of KICTANET, each one of us is > >> > free including our organizations to take a particular > >> > stand on any issue or issues at any time as they > >> > arise. But if Mr. Mungai is suggesting that in future > >> > we make joint press statements, then that is something > >> > else, that may perhaps require consultation from > >> > members. Some events do not provide us with adequate > >> > opportunity to consult each other. > >> > > >> > Let us play our roles even if it means commenting on > >> > any issue without fear of contradiction or even being > >> > labeled or victimised by members. > >> > > >> > Kind regards > >> > David Malaba > >> > The Computer Society of Kenya > >> > > >> > > >> > --- "Made in Kenya.org" <info(a)madeinkenya.org> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Dear all, > >> > > > >> > > Just out of curiousity, who was consulted in the > >> > > drafting of this statement? As a member, I am > >> > > totally in the dark on this one! . AS much as I > >> > > support the condemnation of the police action, I > >> > > must distance myself from this one-sided and > >> > > apparently unilaterally drafted statement that seems > >> > > to be in denial of the reality in Kenya today. Media > >> > > freedom is not absolute and Kenyan consumers have a > >> > > right to access accurate and unbiased information > >> > > from the media and other sources. > >> > > > >> > > The statement will only serve to sanitise misconduct > >> > > by the local media. KICTANet should not be seen as a > >> > > trade association where irresponsible media finds > >> > > solace. I hope that will not be the message > >> > > KICTANet will pass on to participants at the planned > >> > > "Media and ICTs workshop next week (March 10-13) in > >> > > Mombasa. All freedoms, especially the freed! om of the > >> > > press must be exercised with restraint. Media > >> > > freedom carries with it alot of power and power has > >> > > corrupted a significant section of our media. > >> > > > >> > > The unilateral decision to draft and circulate a > >> > > statement on behalf of KICTANet despite protests > >> > > from some members (no matter how few) should not be > >> > > presented in a manner to imply that it is the > >> > > collective view of the network. > >> > > > >> > > Even the Media Owners Association did a much better > >> > > job by demanding that its membership exercise > >> > > responsible journalism. For that, I must > >> > > congratulate the MoA for exercising objectivity and > >> > > advice KICTANet to make an honest attempt at such > >> > > objectivity in future. > >> > > > >> > > Sincerely, > >> > > > >> > > Wainaina Mungai > >> > > > >> > > > -------Original Message------- > >> > > > From: alice(a)apc.org > >> > > > Subject: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network > >> > > Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > >> > > > Sent: 03 Mar '06 10:27 > >> > > > > >> > > > Press Release > >> > > > > >> > > > Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid > >> > > on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > >> > > > > >> > > > 3 March 2006 > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > are shocked and outraged > >> > > > by the recent actions meted by the government on > >> > > the standard group. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Wednesday, 1 March 2006, the Government of > >> > > Kenya launched an > >> > > > unprecedented and vicious attack on the STANDARD > >> > > GROUP premises, harassed > >> > > > the journalists, confiscated equipment, > >> > > interrupted TV transmission and > >> > > > burned copies of the day's newspaper edition. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > The Government has detained and continues to hold > >> > > in detention three > >> > > > Standard journalists apparently for misreporting > >> > > that a leading opposition > >> > > > politician had secretly met the President at > >> > > State House. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > When interviewed, the Internal Security Minister > >> > > Hon. Muchuki did not deny > >> > > > the government's involvement in this horrifying > >> > > event of March 1st stating > >> > > > state security as the reason behind the > >> > > government's actions. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > We see this as crude and gross abuse of power and > >> > > our constitution. > >> > > > > >> > > > At a recent ICT strategy conference held at the > >> > > safari park hotel his > >> > > > Excellency the president of Kenya unveiled > >> > > Kenya's ICT strategy, whose main > >> > &g! t; > objective is " transforming Kenya's economy > >> > > through promoting and > >> > > > facilitating the private sector to serve as the > >> > > driver for economic > >> > > > development". This crude action contradicts the > >> > > government's recent > >> > > > objectives to maintain a favourable climate for > >> > > investment and creation of > >> > > > jobs for Kenyan's. No investor would place their > >> > > money in an environment > >> > > > where the rule of law and order is disregarded > >> > > with utmost impunity. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > This action is also reminiscent of the dark days > >> > > in Kenya when the media was > >> >! > > constantly harassed in order to suppress the > >> > > freedom of expression, thought > >> > > > and association. The action demonstrates that > >> > > the Government, which is the > >> > > > custodian of law and order is not committed to > >> > > the rule of law as the basic > >> > > > foundation for a modern and civilised society. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Whereas the Government may be validly aggrieved, > >> > > there are established and > >> > > > internationally acceptable mechanisms for seeking > >> > > redress through the courts > >> > > > of law. The Kenya Telecommunication Act (1998 > >> > > revised 2001) clearly spells > >> > > > out the procedures that should be followed! in the > >> > > event that a Media House > >> > > > needs to be shutdown. > >> > > > > >> > > > KICATNet translates this action as an attempt to > >> > > frighten the independent > >> > > > media, limit Kenyan's political space and erode > >> > > our human rights. It is also > >> > > > a gross violation of our constitution. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > KICTANet therefore strongly condemns the > >> > > government's actions and stands in > >> > > > solidarity with the Kenyan media and particularly > >> > > our colleagues at the > >> > > > standard media group. We take this opportunity > >> > > to remind the government of > >> > > > Kenya that the foundation of a sound dem! ocracy is > >> > > the right to information > >> > > > and freedom of press. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > It is therefore imperative that the Government > >> > > quickly moves to restore not > >> > > > just investor confidence but also citizens' > >> > > confidence in protection of our > >> > > > fundamental human rights and democratic space > >> > > that has been gained largely > >> > > > due to a free press. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > KICTANet is appalled by the actions and urges the > >> > > Minister(s) and the > >> > > > Agency/ies involved to publicly apologise and > >> > > expeditiously restore the > >> > > > services! of the Media House as well as paying for > >> > > all the losses that the > >> > > > standard group have incurred. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Contact Details for the network > >> > > > > >> > > > Judy Kimiti > >> > > > > >> > > > jkimiti(a)email.kictanet.or.ke > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > kictanet mailing list > >> > > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > >> > > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >> <http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet> > >> > > > >> > > Please unsubscribe o! r change your options at > >> > > > >> > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/sdmalaba%40yahoo.com > >> <http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/[email protected]> > >> > > > >> > === message truncated === > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > Tired of spam? 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Fwd: [Idlelo2] Re: [afrinic-discuss] Africa 's Internet Community to gather in Nairobi in May
by Bill Kagai 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

Still on media and distorted information...read on.. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Nii Quaynor <quaynor(a)ghana.com> Date: Mar 6, 2006 2:27 PM Subject: [Idlelo2] Re: [afrinic-discuss] Africa 's Internet Community to gather in Nairobi in May To: eric(a)afrispa.org, AfriNIC Discuss <afrinic-discuss(a)afrinic.net>, discuss(a)afrispa.org, committee(a)afrispa.org, afnog-admin(a)psg.com Cc: africasource2-l(a)lists.tacticaltech.org, Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke>, En-ISPA_Team(a)afrispa.org, tier(a)tier.cs.berkeley.edu, afix(a)afrispa.org, IDLELO <idlelo2(a)fossfa.net> Hi All, The announcement had listed AfNOG and AfriNIC meetings as part of the AIF. This is the first time AfNOG organizers have heard of the AIF and wish all to know that AfNOG is not part of the AIF activities. The announced activity also conflicts with scheduled coordinated programs including ISOC INET Africa day on the 18th of May in Nairobi. We consider this announcement as an unfortunate attempt to hijack an event without playing a part nor coordinating with event organizers. And to mention AfNOG as part of AIF is outright dishonest even under the auspices of AfrISPA. Sincerely, Nii. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Osiakwan" <eric(a)afrispa.org> To: <discuss(a)afrispa.org>; <committee(a)afrispa.org>; <afrinic-discuss(a)afrinic.net> Cc: <africasource2-l(a)lists.tacticaltech.org>; "Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet" <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke>; <afix(a)afrispa.org>; <En-ISPA_Team(a)afrispa.org>; "IDLELO" <idlelo2(a)fossfa.net>; <tier(a)tier.cs.berkeley.edu> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 4:51 PM Subject: [afrinic-discuss] Africa 's Internet Community to gather in Nairobi in May Press Release For Immediate Release (Contact; Eric M.K Osiakwan - eric(a)afrispa.org, +233.244.386792) Africa's Internet Community to gather in Nairobi in May 4th March 2006 - the annual African Internet Forum will this year be held in Nairobi over 18-19 May and is expected to be the largest gathering of Africa's expanding Internet community. The African Internet Forum provides an annual platform for ISPs, telecom operators, Internet users, developers, regulators, policy-makers and development agencies to share knowledge on the strategic and business issues related to the Internet's development in Africa. The Forum is held under the auspices of the African ISP Association (AfrISPA) and is organized by AITEC in association with Balancing Act. The theme of this year's Forum will be "Survival of the fittest: How to thrive in the African Internet jungle" Announcing the Forum, Russell Southwood CEO of Balancing Act and the forum programme co-ordinator, said: "Africa's Internet sector is simultaneously facing challenges that could make many of its players more marginal, whilst at the same time seeing enormous potential opportunities opening up for it. This Internet Forum seeks to let participants know what might be about to happen and to offer a briefing on how to avoid being crushed by the larger players." Brian Longwe, GM of AfrISPA, said "Time has come for Africa's Internet community to take their futures - and livelihoods - into their own hands. For too long Africa has been dependent on overseas infrastructure and facilities to provide inter-country (and sometimes intra-country) connectivity. A key item on this year Internet Forum agenda will be the issue of Africa's ISPs finding ways of making the African backbone network a reality" The Forum will follow the Internet training workshops, tutorials and related events being held by AfriNIC and AfNOG in Nairobi in May. AfNOG and AfriNIC are jointly organizing a two-week event that includes the AfNOG Workshop on Network Technology (offering advanced training in a week-long hands-on workshop), several half-day Tutorials, a one-day AfNOG meeting, and a two-day AfriNIC meeting. Further information about the event may be found at <http://www.afnog.org/afnog2006/> and <http://www.afrinic.net/meeting/>. AfNOG Workshop: 7-12 May 2006 (Sunday - Friday) AfNOG Tutorials: 14 May (Sunday) AfNOG Meeting: 15 May (Monday) AfriNIC Meeting: 16-17 May (Tuesday - Wednesday) African Internet Forum: 18-19 May (Thursday - Friday) AfrISPA AGM: 19 May (Friday) -- Eric M.K Osiakwan Executive Secretary AfrISPA (www.afrispa.org) Tel: + 233.21.258800 Fax: + 233.21.258811 Cell: + 233.244.386792 Handle: eosiakwan Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North Blog: http://afrispa.skybuilders.com/users/Eric/blog.html Slang: "Tomorrow Now" -- _______________________________________________ afrinic-discuss mailing list afrinic-discuss(a)afrinic.net http://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/afrinic-discuss _______________________________________________ Idlelo2 mailing list Idlelo2(a)fossfa.net http://www.fossfa.net/mailman/listinfo/idlelo2

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Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raidon STANDARD AND KTN Offices
by John Walubengo 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

I for one was consulted and fully support the general spirit of the Press Release -which is basically: 1) Irrespective of who is guilty and who is not, both parties should agree to resolve grievances in a civilised manner (not by use of force) 2) This Forceful action can only paint the Government in bad light (which unfortunately doesnt seem to be something to worry about...) 3) The crime alluded to have been committed does not seem to match the method and the 'punishment' dispensed. I will also try to react using the '< >' signs to some of your comments below. >>> "Made in Kenya.org" <info(a)madeinkenya.org> 03/03/06 02:38PM >>> Dear all, Just out of curiousity, who was consulted in the drafting of this statement? As a member, I am totally in the dark on this one. <I was...> AS much as I support the condemnation of the police action, I must distance myself from this one-sided and apparently unilaterally drafted statement that seems to be in denial of the reality in Kenya today. Media freedom is not absolute and Kenyan consumers have a right to access accurate and unbiased information from the media and other sources. <Absolutely true. That is why u must support the press release...the risks of getting 'wrong' information are far better than getting 'NO' information --which would be the state of play if this becomes the standard reaction for dealing with misreporting from journalists...> The statement will only serve to sanitise misconduct by the local media. <not necessary. I dont think the statement passes the 'NOT-Guilty' verdict. It simply says the Government action was uncalled for. Guilt and not guilty is for the courts to judge (and not even the Governmet should simoultaneously accuse, prosecute and punish)> KICTANet should not be seen as a trade association <I didnt get this bit..> where irresponsible media finds solace. I hope that will not be the message KICTANet will pass on to participants at the planned "Media and ICTs workshop next week (March 10-13) in Mombasa. < the program for next week focuses on what and how the Media can enhance ICT coverage> All freedoms, especially the freedom of the press must be exercised with restraint. Media freedom carries with it alot of power and power has corrupted a significant section of our media. <This could be highly true. But again, the question is. Was this the most appropriate reaction to dealing with this? I am sure there are more 'sophisticated' (and still illegal ;-)) methods of dealing with this-Surely!> The unilateral <I don't think it was unilateral. As I said, I was consulted, possibly others too may have been consulted, that makes it at least 'Bi-lateral' ;-)> decision to draft and circulate a statement on behalf of KICTANet despite protests from some members (no matter how few) should not be presented in a manner to imply that it is the collective view of the network. Even the Media Owners Association did a much better job by demanding that its membership exercise responsible journalism. For that, I must congratulate the MoA for exercising objectivity and advice KICTANet to make an honest attempt at such objectivity in future. <Good point, I am sure a paragraph to remind the media on this would have been appropriate> Sincerely, Wainaina Mungai <--walu.> > -------Original Message------- > From: alice(a)apc.org > Subject: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > Sent: 03 Mar '06 10:27 > > Press Release > > Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > > 3 March 2006 > > > > > > We the members of the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet), a multi > stakeholder group of organisations and networks from civil society, private > sector, media, academia, and development partners are shocked and outraged > by the recent actions meted by the government on the standard group. > > > > On Wednesday, 1 March 2006, the Government of Kenya launched an > unprecedented and vicious attack on the STANDARD GROUP premises, harassed > the journalists, confiscated equipment, interrupted TV transmission and > burned copies of the day*s newspaper edition. > > > > The Government has detained and continues to hold in detention three > Standard journalists apparently for misreporting that a leading opposition > politician had secretly met the President at State House. > > > > When interviewed, the Internal Security Minister Hon. Muchuki did not deny > the government*s involvement in this horrifying event of March 1st stating > state security as the reason behind the government*s actions. > > > > We see this as crude and gross abuse of power and our constitution. > > At a recent ICT strategy conference held at the safari park hotel his > Excellency the president of Kenya unveiled Kenya*s ICT strategy, whose main > objective is * transforming Kenya*s economy through promoting and > facilitating the private sector to serve as the driver for economic > development*. This crude action contradicts the government*s recent > objectives to maintain a favourable climate for investment and creation of > jobs for Kenyan*s. No investor would place their money in an environment > where the rule of law and order is disregarded with utmost impunity. > > > > > > This action is also reminiscent of the dark days in Kenya when the media was > constantly harassed in order to suppress the freedom of expression, thought > and association. The action demonstrates that the Government, which is the > custodian of law and order is not committed to the rule of law as the basic > foundation for a modern and civilised society. > > > > Whereas the Government may be validly aggrieved, there are established and > internationally acceptable mechanisms for seeking redress through the courts > of law. The Kenya Telecommunication Act (1998 revised 2001) clearly spells > out the procedures that should be followed in the event that a Media House > needs to be shutdown. > > KICATNet translates this action as an attempt to frighten the independent > media, limit Kenyan*s political space and erode our human rights. It is also > a gross violation of our constitution. > > > > KICTANet therefore strongly condemns the government*s actions and stands in > solidarity with the Kenyan media and particularly our colleagues at the > standard media group. We take this opportunity to remind the government of > Kenya that the foundation of a sound democracy is the right to information > and freedom of press. > > > > It is therefore imperative that the Government quickly moves to restore not > just investor confidence but also citizens* confidence in protection of our > fundamental human rights and democratic space that has been gained largely > due to a free press. > > > > KICTANet is appalled by the actions and urges the Minister(s) and the > Agency/ies involved to publicly apologise and expeditiously restore the > services of the Media House as well as paying for all the losses that the > standard group have incurred. > > > > Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) > > > Contact Details for the network > > Judy Kimiti > > jkimiti(a)email.kictanet.or.ke > _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalubengo%40kcct.ac.ke

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Re: kictanet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 11
by mutua 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

It took a passive and conformist clergy and a VERY FREED but biased media to ignite the chaos that resulted in the genocide that was witnessed not soo long ago in Rwanda.Now if only they had some "kanga squad" somewhere to preempt hate and devisive plots designed by people who are still enjoying their own liberties up to now as well as a free media here with us.Going by the reputation of some of these media houses i would only comment that at times the end does justify the means when a lot it at stake. ----- Original Message ----- From: <kictanet-request(a)kictanet.or.ke> To: "mutua" <emutua(a)ngocouncil.org> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 11 > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on > STANDARD AND KTN Offices ( Wainaina Mungai ) > 2. Fwd: [Idlelo2] Re: [afrinic-discuss] Africa 's Internet > Community to gather in Nairobi in May (Bill Kagai) > 3. Re: Fwd: [Idlelo2] Re: [afrinic-discuss] Africa 's Internet > Community to gather in Nairobi in May (Brian Longwe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:44:11 +0300 > From: " Wainaina Mungai " <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> > Subject: RE: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight > Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > To: "KIPlist" <kiplist-cl(a)lyris.idrc.ca>, "KIPlist" > <kiplist-cl(a)lyris.idrc.ca> > Cc: kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > Message-ID: <20060306114411.4526.qmail(a)domain50.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 1. Is the media in Kenya without blame? I have the likes of Standard/KTN/Kass FM/Inooro & Weekly Citizen et. al. in mind? > > 2. If not, then why do we find it hard to demand better services to the Kenyan consumer? Why do we find it so hard to say "and we demand that the media report accurately and without bias in their service to Kenyans". Just that, and we would have moved a step forward in objectivity. > > 3. The Nation did not publish the Kalonzo/StateHouse story because "it could not be verified" even after they objectively checked with their own sources - http://allafrica.com/stories/200603030414.html . The Nation did not find the story plausible and all parties (Kalonzo, Raila and State House) claimed it was a fabrication. Who is telling untruths here and why should KICTANet so readily believe The Standard story. Since when did it become ok to fabricate strories? If the story was true, did State House LIE to Kenyans? We cannot escape from putting the media to task here because a fabricated story would be a dangerous precedent that KICTANet and Kenyans in general must protest. The same applies if State-House told Kenyans a lie. We should not allow this story to go away because it imply that the highest office in the land has resorted to outright fabrication of which we must protest. > > 4. Do we all remember that one of the senior editors at the The Standard was fired from Nation for taking a bribes so as to publish falsehoods? Why are we so convinced that the same would not recur in any media house? Don't we leavbe with the reality of Inooro and Citizen's biased coverage everyday? Is this the media Walu is asking us to defend? > > 5. KTN or Citizen are not the "Kenyan consumer" of media products. Kenyans are helpless receipient of fabrticated stories while the media is teh offending party here. These media houses are not devoid of political bias and in some extreme cases, tribal bias. The days of people hiding behind an attack on "our people" when they are caught misconduct went in December 2002. No-one in government or outside it should use Kenyans as his defence when he has offended the ethical dmands of his/her vocation or even the laws of the land. > > Walu, the days of irresponsible media must come to an end as much as the days of draconian action. Neither the state nor the media has a right to abuse what freedoms and powers Kenyan (citizens and consumers) accord them. > > The Kenyan consumer comes first. > > Wainaina > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: John Walubengo <jwalubengo(a)kcct.ac.ke> > > Subject: RE: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > > Sent: 06 Mar '06 11:16 > > > > Anthony, > > > > This is the fundamental issue. That this raid (whatever the justified reasons) was totally out of order. It does set a very dangerous precedence. If something like this is not condemned with the contempt it deserves, these 'Kanga' squads would soon get orders to move from the Media, and graduate into the other aspects of our lives...including your homes. > > > > I shudder when I imagine that a time shall come when fathers and mothers shall get ripped from their childrens arms, and then disappear into the night never to be seen, courtesy of the Kanga Squad - all in the name of 'national security'. Seems far fetched, but possible. All it needs is for one, two or more raids to happen without Kenyans complaining and suddenly it will become an acceptable way of resolving issues. > > > > It is a proven physcological concept. That if you want to boil a frog in hot water, dont drop it directly into hot water, because it will jump out and escape. What u do instead is to put it in cold water and then slowly and steadily increase the heat. Within 15min the frog never gets to know how it died. Kenyans must never for a moment agree to these types of assualt. They must not get accustomed to this kind of treatment. > > > > To me this raid goes beyond an attack on the media. It is an attack that goes directly into our collective ability as a nation to tolerate abuse from the high and mighty. We must chose to jump out of the hot water NOW...or slowly boil to our death. > > > > my fifty cents. > > > > walu. > > > > > > >>> <Anthony.MUSUNJI(a)cec.eu.int> 03/06/06 11:58AM >>> > > In a civilised society of which I believed we lived in until last Thursday > > there are clear mechanisms to mitigate such issues .The attack on KTN > > /Standard sets a dangerous precedence and I cannot believe anyone can > > support such actions > > > > > > > > Anthony Musunji > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bounce-kiplist-cl-102759(a)lyris.idrc.ca [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 06 March 2006 11:25 > > To: KIPlist > > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on > > STANDARD AND KTN Offices > > > > > > > > Charles has raised very important points and i beleive list members should > > ask themselves why the raid other than condeming...why was nation not raided > > > > > > Charles Hunja <chunja(a)idrc.or.ke> wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > ...and I am fully in agreement with Wainaina. Before any joint (or > > "members'") statement is issued, we should first understand why, and if > > there a need for such to be issued. Secondly, we should understand the > > statement itself, its weight, cones, and relevance. I again disagree with > > the statement, "Some events do not provide us with adequate opportunity to > > consult each other". The only events which may not provide enough time for > > consultation may only be those to do with organisation/office running, which > > need quick decision of which the return/results are expected. > > > > Though we should be free to discuss any issue, we should re! alise that ours > > is not a political tool but rather, a business tool. It is interesting to > > see how some people and/or organisations are quick to accuse, by following > > others before understanding everything. On the issue of the KTN/Standard, no > > one has ever bothered to ask why the two house were attacked. Some say it > > is because of the Kalonzo story. If I may ask, between "Kalonzo/Kibaki" and > > the "Anglo Leasing" stories, which one of the two was more likely to hurt > > the government? Which one was more damning. If it is the Anglo Leasing story > > which was released by the nation Media Group, then why is it that nation did > > not come under attack. The minister for internal security said he was > > responsible and that the attack was necessitated by a threat in national > > security. Full stop! > > > > What I hear everybody say is that Press Freedom is very important, and I > > fully agree with them. Very very important. But why on earth should a > > newspaper write on its front (or back) page that Mr. X! XX is a bank robber > > and a rapist, and when followed, start crying out about press freedom and > > freedom of expression? This freedom does not mean telling lies e.g. working > > for particular politicians to insult others and so on. We know, (and I have > > a case in point where) journalists are paid to accompany politicians. that > > way, wherever they are and whatever they say is always covered by the media. > > Anyway, what I am saying is don't pass judgement because others are doing > > so. We shouldn't follow blindly. Before doing so, we should always strive to > > understand the case first, by gathering all the evidence and listening to > > all parties. That way, we may be armed to give a "fair judgement" > > > > Anyway, these are my thought and not those of the KICTNet. I guess the > > network is a discussion forum. > > > > Hunja > > > > > > > > At 02:25 PM 04/03/2006 +0300, Wainaina Mungai wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Malaba, > > > > I was under the impression that a "KICTANET s! tatement" is a joint > > statement that needs wider consultation so as to legitimise the words > > below....because KICTANet does not exist without its membership. I may have > > been wrong. > > > > > > > We the members of the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet), a > > multistakeholder group of organisations > > > and networks from civil > > society, private > > > > > sector, media, academia, and development partners > > > > Wainaina > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > From: David Sparrow Malaba <sdmalaba(a)yahoo.com> > > > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid > > on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > > > Sent: 04 Mar '06 11:31 > > > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > I feel that as members of KICTANET, each one of us is > > > free including our organizations to take a particular > > > stand on any issue or issues at any time as they > > > arise. But if Mr. Mungai is suggesting that in future > > > we make joint press statements, then that is something > > > else, that may perhaps require consultation from > > > members. Some events do not provide us with adequate > > > opportunity to consult each other. > > > > > > Let us play our roles even if it means commenting on > > > any issue without fear of contradiction or even being > > > labeled or victimised by members. > > > > > > Kind regards > > > David Malaba > > > The Computer Society of Kenya > > > > > > > > > --- "Made in Kenya.org" <info(a)madeinkenya.org> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Just out of curiousity, who was consulted in the > > > > drafting of this statement? As a member, I am > > > > totally in the dark on this one! . AS much as I > > > > support the condemnation of the police action, I > > > > must distance myself from this one-sided and > > > > apparently unilaterally drafted statement that seems > > > > to be in denial of the reality in Kenya today. Media > > > > freedom is not absolute and Kenyan consumers have a > > > > right to access accurate and unbiased information > > > > from the media and other sources. > > > > > > > > The statement will only serve to sanitise misconduct > > > > by the local media. KICTANet should not be seen as a > > > > trade association where irresponsible media finds > > > > solace. I hope that will not be the message > > > > KICTANet will pass on to participants at the planned > > > > "Media and ICTs workshop next week (March 10-13) in > > > > Mombasa. All freedoms, especially the freed! om of the > > > > press must be exercised with restraint. Media > > > > freedom carries with it alot of power and power has > > > > corrupted a significant section of our media. > > > > > > > > The unilateral decision to draft and circulate a > > > > statement on behalf of KICTANet despite protests > > > > from some members (no matter how few) should not be > > > > presented in a manner to imply that it is the > > > > collective view of the network. > > > > > > > > Even the Media Owners Association did a much better > > > > job by demanding that its membership exercise > > > > responsible journalism. For that, I must > > > > congratulate the MoA for exercising objectivity and > > > > advice KICTANet to make an honest attempt at such > > > > objectivity in future. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Wainaina Mungai > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > From: alice(a)apc.org > > > > > Subject: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network > > > > Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > > > > > Sent: 03 Mar '06 10:27 > > > > > > > > > > Press Release > > > > > > > > > > Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid > > > > on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > > > > > > > > > > 3 March 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are shocked and outraged > > > > > by the recent actions meted by the government on > > > > the standard group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, 1 March 2006, the Government of > > > > Kenya launched an > > > > > unprecedented and vicious attack on the STANDARD > > > > GROUP premises, harassed > > > > > the journalists, confiscated equipment, > > > > interrupted TV transmission and > > > > > burned copies of the day's newspaper edition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Government has detained and continues to hold > > > > in detention three > > > > > Standard journalists apparently for misreporting > > > > that a leading opposition > > > > > politician had secretly met the President at > > > > State House. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When interviewed, the Internal Security Minister > > > > Hon. Muchuki did not deny > > > > > the government's involvement in this horrifying > > > > event of March 1st stating > > > > > state security as the reason behind the > > > > government's actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see this as crude and gross abuse of power and > > > > our constitution. > > > > > > > > > > At a recent ICT strategy conference held at the > > > > safari park hotel his > > > > > Excellency the president of Kenya unveiled > > > > Kenya's ICT strategy, whose main > > > &g! t; > objective is " transforming Kenya's economy > > > > through promoting and > > > > > facilitating the private sector to serve as the > > > > driver for economic > > > > > development". This crude action contradicts the > > > > government's recent > > > > > objectives to maintain a favourable climate for > > > > investment and creation of > > > > > jobs for Kenyan's. No investor would place their > > > > money in an environment > > > > > where the rule of law and order is disregarded > > > > with utmost impunity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This action is also reminiscent of the dark days > > > > in Kenya when the media was > > >! > > constantly harassed in order to suppress the > > > > freedom of expression, thought > > > > > and association. The action demonstrates that > > > > the Government, which is the > > > > > custodian of law and order is not committed to > > > > the rule of law as the basic > > > > > foundation for a modern and civilised society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas the Government may be validly aggrieved, > > > > there are established and > > > > > internationally acceptable mechanisms for seeking > > > > redress through the courts > > > > > of law. The Kenya Telecommunication Act (1998 > > > > revised 2001) clearly spells > > > > > out the procedures that should be followed! in the > > > > event that a Media House > > > > > needs to be shutdown. > > > > > > > > > > KICATNet translates this action as an attempt to > > > > frighten the independent > > > > > media, limit Kenyan's political space and erode > > > > our human rights. It is also > > > > > a gross violation of our constitution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KICTANet therefore strongly condemns the > > > > government's actions and stands in > > > > > solidarity with the Kenyan media and particularly > > > > our colleagues at the > > > > > standard media group. We take this opportunity > > > > to remind the government of > > > > > Kenya that the foundation of a sound dem! ocracy is > > > > the right to information > > > > > and freedom of press. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is therefore imperative that the Government > > > > quickly moves to restore not > > > > > just investor confidence but also citizens' > > > > confidence in protection of our > > > > > fundamental human rights and democratic space > > > > that has been gained largely > > > > > due to a free press. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KICTANet is appalled by the actions and urges the > > > > Minister(s) and the > > > > > Agency/ies involved to publicly apologise and > > > > expeditiously restore the > > > > > services! of the Media House as well as paying for > > > > all the losses that the > > > > > standard group have incurred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contact Details for the network > > > > > > > > > > Judy Kimiti > > > > > > > > > > jkimiti(a)email.kictanet.or.ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > kictanet mailing list > > > > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > > > > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > <http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet> > > > > > > > > Please unsubscribe o! r change your options at > > > > > > > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/sdmalaba%40yahoo.com > > <http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/[email protected]> > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? 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New > > <http://pa.yahoo.com/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39174/*http:/photomail.mail. > > yahoo.com> PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --- Submitted by: Benjamin > > Makai 2006-03-06 03:23:11 EST5 (Please reply to original submitter for > > private communication) --- You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: > > [Anthony.MUSUNJI(a)cec.eu.int] To unsubscribe, forward this message to > > %%email.unsub%% > > > > > > > > --- > > Submitted by: Anthony.MUSUNJI(a)cec.eu.int 2006-03-06 04:51:17 EST5 > > (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [jwalubengo(a)kcct.ac.ke] > > To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist-cl-102682Q(a)lyris.idrc.ca > > > > --- > > Submitted by: John Walubengo <jwalubengo(a)kcct.ac.ke> 2006-03-06 05:21:59 EST5 > > (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [wainaina.mungai(a)oneworld.net] > > To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist-cl-117112D(a)lyris.idrc.ca > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:02:32 +0300 > From: "Bill Kagai" <billkagai(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Kictanet] Fwd: [Idlelo2] Re: [afrinic-discuss] Africa 's > Internet Community to gather in Nairobi in May > To: "Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet" <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke> > Message-ID: > <5c0c81830603060402o3c67f699j84ac5bde5b7a738(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Still on media and distorted information...read on.. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nii Quaynor <quaynor(a)ghana.com> > Date: Mar 6, 2006 2:27 PM > Subject: [Idlelo2] Re: [afrinic-discuss] Africa 's Internet Community > to gather in Nairobi in May > To: eric(a)afrispa.org, AfriNIC Discuss <afrinic-discuss(a)afrinic.net>, > discuss(a)afrispa.org, committee(a)afrispa.org, afnog-admin(a)psg.com > Cc: africasource2-l(a)lists.tacticaltech.org, Kenya ICT Policy - > kictanet <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke>, En-ISPA_Team(a)afrispa.org, > tier(a)tier.cs.berkeley.edu, afix(a)afrispa.org, IDLELO > <idlelo2(a)fossfa.net> > > > Hi All, > > The announcement had listed AfNOG and AfriNIC meetings as part of the AIF. > This is the first time AfNOG organizers have heard of the AIF and wish all > to know that AfNOG is not part of the AIF activities. The announced activity > also conflicts with scheduled coordinated programs including ISOC INET > Africa day on the 18th of May in Nairobi. We consider this announcement as > an unfortunate attempt to hijack an event without playing a part nor > coordinating with event organizers. And to mention AfNOG as part of AIF is > outright dishonest even under the auspices of AfrISPA. > > Sincerely, > Nii. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Osiakwan" <eric(a)afrispa.org> > To: <discuss(a)afrispa.org>; <committee(a)afrispa.org>; > <afrinic-discuss(a)afrinic.net> > Cc: <africasource2-l(a)lists.tacticaltech.org>; "Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet" > <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke>; <afix(a)afrispa.org>; <En-ISPA_Team(a)afrispa.org>; > "IDLELO" <idlelo2(a)fossfa.net>; <tier(a)tier.cs.berkeley.edu> > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 4:51 PM > Subject: [afrinic-discuss] Africa 's Internet Community to gather in Nairobi > in May > > > > Press Release > For Immediate Release > (Contact; Eric M.K Osiakwan - eric(a)afrispa.org, +233.244.386792) > > Africa's Internet Community to gather in Nairobi in May > > 4th March 2006 - the annual African Internet Forum will this year be held in > Nairobi over 18-19 May and is expected to be the largest gathering of > Africa's expanding Internet community. > > The African Internet Forum provides an annual platform for ISPs, telecom > operators, Internet users, developers, regulators, policy-makers and > development agencies to share knowledge on the strategic and business issues > related to the Internet's development in Africa. > > The Forum is held under the auspices of the African ISP Association > (AfrISPA) and is organized by AITEC in association with Balancing Act. The > theme of this year's Forum will be "Survival of the fittest: How to thrive > in the African Internet jungle" > > Announcing the Forum, Russell Southwood CEO of Balancing Act and the forum > programme co-ordinator, said: "Africa's Internet sector is simultaneously > facing challenges that could make many of its players more marginal, whilst > at the same time seeing enormous potential opportunities opening up for it. > This Internet Forum seeks to let participants know what might be about to > happen and to offer a briefing on how to avoid being crushed by the larger > players." > > Brian Longwe, GM of AfrISPA, said "Time has come for Africa's Internet > community to take their futures - and livelihoods - into their own hands. > For too long Africa has been dependent on overseas infrastructure and > facilities to provide inter-country (and sometimes intra-country) > connectivity. A key item on this year Internet Forum agenda will be the > issue of Africa's ISPs finding ways of making the African backbone network a > reality" > > The Forum will follow the Internet training workshops, tutorials and related > events being held by AfriNIC and AfNOG in Nairobi in May. AfNOG and AfriNIC > are jointly organizing a two-week event that includes the AfNOG Workshop on > Network Technology (offering advanced training in a week-long hands-on > workshop), several half-day Tutorials, a one-day AfNOG meeting, and a > two-day AfriNIC meeting. Further information about the event may be found at > <http://www.afnog.org/afnog2006/> and <http://www.afrinic.net/meeting/>. > > AfNOG Workshop: 7-12 May 2006 (Sunday - Friday) > AfNOG Tutorials: 14 May (Sunday) > AfNOG Meeting: 15 May (Monday) > AfriNIC Meeting: 16-17 May (Tuesday - Wednesday) > African Internet Forum: 18-19 May (Thursday - Friday) > AfrISPA AGM: 19 May (Friday) > > > > -- > Eric M.K Osiakwan > Executive Secretary > AfrISPA (www.afrispa.org) > Tel: + 233.21.258800 > Fax: + 233.21.258811 > Cell: + 233.244.386792 > Handle: eosiakwan > Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North > Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North > Blog: http://afrispa.skybuilders.com/users/Eric/blog.html > Slang: "Tomorrow Now" > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > afrinic-discuss mailing list > afrinic-discuss(a)afrinic.net > http://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/afrinic-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Idlelo2 mailing list > Idlelo2(a)fossfa.net > http://www.fossfa.net/mailman/listinfo/idlelo2 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:40:54 +0300 > From: Brian Longwe <brian(a)pure-id.com> > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Fwd: [Idlelo2] Re: [afrinic-discuss] Africa 's > Internet Community to gather in Nairobi in May > To: Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke>, > discuss(a)afrispa.org > Message-ID: <FA03BE79-7465-44F5-AE6E-8B0E8E3FB07E(a)pure-id.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Wow Bill, you're really one to sniff out controversy.... :-) > > IMHO It is unfortunate to see such a harsh response sent to the whole > world - I wonder ...... why overlook the very clear statement that > the Forum WILL FOLLOW the other events. There was no attempt to claim > that the Forum was the convenor of these events - in fact it was > clearly pointed out that "AFNOG and AfriNIC are jointly > organizing...." But having said that maybe it would have been better > to seek consent from any named organisations before mentioning them > in the announcement - a lesson for the future. > > On the ISOC thing I don't see it as a conflict but as an opportunity > for synergistic scheduling. We are already in discussions with the > NEPAD Council who are having an event over the same period after they > saw that our dates COINCIDE (not conflict) with theirs.... it's all a > matter of point of view - > > .... is the cup half empty, or half full? > > Anyway from past experience I know that this is probably a precursor > to a power-play and possibly village politics that I think we need to > steer clear of.... so let's get practical and make proactive > proposals rather than start ripping each other's guts out. > > Brian > > On 6 Mar 2006, at 15:02, Bill Kagai wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nii Quaynor <quaynor(a)ghana.com> > Date: Mar 6, 2006 2:27 PM > Subject: [Idlelo2] Re: [afrinic-discuss] Africa 's Internet Community > to gather in Nairobi in May > To: eric(a)afrispa.org, AfriNIC Discuss <afrinic-discuss(a)afrinic.net>, > discuss(a)afrispa.org, committee(a)afrispa.org, afnog-admin(a)psg.com > Cc: africasource2-l(a)lists.tacticaltech.org, Kenya ICT Policy - > kictanet <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke>, En-ISPA_Team(a)afrispa.org, > tier(a)tier.cs.berkeley.edu, afix(a)afrispa.org, IDLELO > <idlelo2(a)fossfa.net> > > > The Forum will follow the Internet training workshops, tutorials > > and related > > events being held by AfriNIC and AfNOG in Nairobi in May. AfNOG and > > AfriNIC > > are jointly organizing a two-week event that includes the AfNOG > > Workshop on > > Network Technology (offering advanced training in a week-long hands-on > > workshop), several half-day Tutorials, a one-day AfNOG meeting, and a > > two-day AfriNIC meeting. Further information about the event may be > > found at > > <http://www.afnog.org/afnog2006/> and <http://www.afrinic.net/ > > meeting/>. > >

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Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices
by Charles Hunja 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

Hi all, ...and I am fully in agreement with Wainaina. Before any joint (or "members'") statement is issued, we should first understand why, and if there a need for such to be issued. Secondly, we should understand the statement itself, its weight, cones, and relevance. I again disagree with the statement, "Some events do not provide us with adequate opportunity to consult each other". The only events which may not provide enough time for consultation may only be those to do with organisation/office running, which need quick decision of which the return/results are expected. Though we should be free to discuss any issue, we should realise that ours is not a political tool but rather, a business tool. It is interesting to see how some people and/or organisations are quick to accuse, by following others before understanding everything. On the issue of the KTN/Standard, no one has ever bothered to ask why the two house were attacked. Some say it is because of the Kalonzo story. If I may ask, between "Kalonzo/Kibaki" and the "Anglo Leasing" stories, which one of the two was more likely to hurt the government? Which one was more damning. If it is the Anglo Leasing story which was released by the nation Media Group, then why is it that nation did not come under attack. The minister for internal security said he was responsible and that the attack was necessitated by a threat in national security. Full stop! What I hear everybody say is that Press Freedom is very important, and I fully agree with them. Very very important. But why on earth should a newspaper write on its front (or back) page that Mr. XXX is a bank robber and a rapist, and when followed, start crying out about press freedom and freedom of expression? This freedom does not mean telling lies e.g. working for particular politicians to insult others and so on. We know, (and I have a case in point where) journalists are paid to accompany politicians. that way, wherever they are and whatever they say is always covered by the media. Anyway, what I am saying is don't pass judgement because others are doing so. We shouldn't follow blindly. Before doing so, we should always strive to understand the case first, by gathering all the evidence and listening to all parties. That way, we may be armed to give a "fair judgement" Anyway, these are my thought and not those of the KICTNet. I guess the network is a discussion forum. Hunja At 02:25 PM 04/03/2006 +0300, Wainaina Mungai wrote: >Hi Malaba, > >I was under the impression that a "KICTANET statement" is a joint >statement that needs wider consultation so as to legitimise the words >below....because KICTANet does not exist without its membership. I may >have been wrong. > > > > > We the members of the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet), a > multistakeholder group of organisations > > > and networks from civil > society, private > > > > sector, media, academia, and development partners > >Wainaina > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: David Sparrow Malaba <sdmalaba(a)yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight > Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > > Sent: 04 Mar '06 11:31 > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > I feel that as members of KICTANET, each one of us is > > free including our organizations to take a particular > > stand on any issue or issues at any time as they > > arise. But if Mr. Mungai is suggesting that in future > > we make joint press statements, then that is something > > else, that may perhaps require consultation from > > members. Some events do not provide us with adequate > > opportunity to consult each other. > > > > Let us play our roles even if it means commenting on > > any issue without fear of contradiction or even being > > labeled or victimised by members. > > > > Kind regards > > David Malaba > > The Computer Society of Kenya > > > > > > --- "Made in Kenya.org" <info(a)madeinkenya.org> wrote: > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Just out of curiousity, who was consulted in the > > > drafting of this statement? As a member, I am > > > totally in the dark on this one. AS much as I > > > support the condemnation of the police action, I > > > must distance myself from this one-sided and > > > apparently unilaterally drafted statement that seems > > > to be in denial of the reality in Kenya today. Media > > > freedom is not absolute and Kenyan consumers have a > > > right to access accurate and unbiased information > > > from the media and other sources. > > > > > > The statement will only serve to sanitise misconduct > > > by the local media. KICTANet should not be seen as a > > > trade association where irresponsible media finds > > > solace. I hope that will not be the message > > > KICTANet will pass on to participants at the planned > > > "Media and ICTs workshop next week (March 10-13) in > > > Mombasa. All freedoms, especially the freedom of the > > > press must be exercised with restraint. Media > > > freedom carries with it alot of power and power has > > > corrupted a significant section of our media. > > > > > > The unilateral decision to draft and circulate a > > > statement on behalf of KICTANet despite protests > > > from some members (no matter how few) should not be > > > presented in a manner to imply that it is the > > > collective view of the network. > > > > > > Even the Media Owners Association did a much better > > > job by demanding that its membership exercise > > > responsible journalism. For that, I must > > > congratulate the MoA for exercising objectivity and > > > advice KICTANet to make an honest attempt at such > > > objectivity in future. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Wainaina Mungai > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: alice(a)apc.org > > > > Subject: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network > > > Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > > > > Sent: 03 Mar '06 10:27 > > > > > > > > Press Release > > > > > > > > Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid > > > on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > > > > > > > > 3 March 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are shocked and outraged > > > > by the recent actions meted by the government on > > > the standard group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, 1 March 2006, the Government of > > > Kenya launched an > > > > unprecedented and vicious attack on the STANDARD > > > GROUP premises, harassed > > > > the journalists, confiscated equipment, > > > interrupted TV transmission and > > > > burned copies of the day's newspaper edition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Government has detained and continues to hold > > > in detention three > > > > Standard journalists apparently for misreporting > > > that a leading opposition > > > > politician had secretly met the President at > > > State House. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When interviewed, the Internal Security Minister > > > Hon. Muchuki did not deny > > > > the government's involvement in this horrifying > > > event of March 1st stating > > > > state security as the reason behind the > > > government's actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see this as crude and gross abuse of power and > > > our constitution. > > > > > > > > At a recent ICT strategy conference held at the > > > safari park hotel his > > > > Excellency the president of Kenya unveiled > > > Kenya's ICT strategy, whose main > > > > objective is " transforming Kenya's economy > > > through promoting and > > > > facilitating the private sector to serve as the > > > driver for economic > > > > development". This crude action contradicts the > > > government's recent > > > > objectives to maintain a favourable climate for > > > investment and creation of > > > > jobs for Kenyan's. No investor would place their > > > money in an environment > > > > where the rule of law and order is disregarded > > > with utmost impunity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This action is also reminiscent of the dark days > > > in Kenya when the media was > > > > constantly harassed in order to suppress the > > > freedom of expression, thought > > > > and association. The action demonstrates that > > > the Government, which is the > > > > custodian of law and order is not committed to > > > the rule of law as the basic > > > > foundation for a modern and civilised society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas the Government may be validly aggrieved, > > > there are established and > > > > internationally acceptable mechanisms for seeking > > > redress through the courts > > > > of law. The Kenya Telecommunication Act (1998 > > > revised 2001) clearly spells > > > > out the procedures that should be followed in the > > > event that a Media House > > > > needs to be shutdown. > > > > > > > > KICATNet translates this action as an attempt to > > > frighten the independent > > > > media, limit Kenyan's political space and erode > > > our human rights. It is also > > > > a gross violation of our constitution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KICTANet therefore strongly condemns the > > > government's actions and stands in > > > > solidarity with the Kenyan media and particularly > > > our colleagues at the > > > > standard media group. We take this opportunity > > > to remind the government of > > > > Kenya that the foundation of a sound democracy is > > > the right to information > > > > and freedom of press. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is therefore imperative that the Government > > > quickly moves to restore not > > > > just investor confidence but also citizens' > > > confidence in protection of our > > > > fundamental human rights and democratic space > > > that has been gained largely > > > > due to a free press. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KICTANet is appalled by the actions and urges the > > > Minister(s) and the > > > > Agency/ies involved to publicly apologise and > > > expeditiously restore the > > > > services of the Media House as well as paying for > > > all the losses that the > > > > standard group have incurred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) > > > > > > > > > > > > Contact Details for the network > > > > > > > > Judy Kimiti > > > > > > > > jkimiti(a)email.kictanet.or.ke > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > kictanet mailing list > > > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > > > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/sdmalaba%40yahoo.com > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > --- > > Submitted by: Sparrow David Malaba - KITC <sdmalaba(a)yahoo.com> > 2006-03-04 03:40:01 EST5 > > (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: > [wainaina.mungai(a)oneworld.net] > > To unsubscribe, forward this message to %%email.unsub%% > > > > > >--- >Submitted by: Wainaina Mungai (One World) <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> >2006-03-04 06:33:46 EST5 >(Please reply to original submitter for private communication) >--- >You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [chunja(a)idrc.or.ke] >To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist-cl-121509P(a)lyris.idrc.ca ================================ Charles M.M. Hunja, IT Manager International Development Research Centre P.O. 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Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices
by Waudo Siganga 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

At 03:25 AM 3/4/2006, Wainaina Mungai wrote: >I was under the impression that a "KICTANET statement" is a joint >statement that needs wider consultation so as to legitimise the words >below....because KICTANet does not exist without its membership. I may >have been wrong. Dear All, My sense here is that Colleague Wainaina is questioning the PROCESS (earlier he also questioned the outcome). Firstly, I respect his views even though I may disagree. My experience is that almost all organizations do not exist in a policy vacuum. Every organization and institution represents certain principles, positions, norms and expectations that could be either formally documented or even just tacit. If we talk of the boy scouts or the Red Cross for example everyone has some idea what those institutions stand for, even if they have never read the relevant mandate. This situation has two implications: firstly, that those who join these institutions are SUBSCRIBING to the general positions of those institutions; secondly, it means that a spokesperson for the institution can actually make a pronouncement on an issue reflecting the position of the institution as long as that position is based on existing general positions, expectations or principles of that organization. This further means that in many cases individual members do not necessarily have to be consulted. Sometimes contacting every member would indeed prove impractical, difficult and time consuming (imagine if a Catholic priest had to check with every Catholic before issuing a statement against an abortion incident). I am therefore disagreeing with colleague Wainaina that unless HE (or every KICTANET member) is consulted, a resulted position is not a valid KICTANET position. In this particular instance he has to prove to me that the statement is against what KICTNET generally believes in or stands for, not that he was not consulted. Kind Regards, Waudo Siganga

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Africa s Internet Community to gather in Nairobi in May
by Eric Osiakwan 05 Mar '06

05 Mar '06

Press Release For Immediate Release (Contact; Eric M.K Osiakwan eric(a)afrispa.org, +233.244.386792) Africas Internet Community to gather in Nairobi in May 4th March 2006 - the annual African Internet Forum will this year be held in Nairobi over 18-19 May and is expected to be the largest gathering of Africas expanding Internet community. The African Internet Forum provides an annual platform for ISPs, telecom operators, Internet users, developers, regulators, policy-makers and development agencies to share knowledge on the strategic and business issues related to the Internets development in Africa. The Forum is held under the auspices of the African ISP Association (AfrISPA) and is organized by AITEC in association with Balancing Act. The theme of this years Forum will be Survival of the fittest: How to thrive in the African Internet jungle Announcing the Forum, Russell Southwood CEO of Balancing Act and the forum programme co-ordinator, said: Africas Internet sector is simultaneously facing challenges that could make many of its players more marginal, whilst at the same time seeing enormous potential opportunities opening up for it. This Internet Forum seeks to let participants know what might be about to happen and to offer a briefing on how to avoid being crushed by the larger players. Brian Longwe, GM of AfrISPA, said Time has come for Africas Internet community to take their futures and livelihoods into their own hands. For too long Africa has been dependent on overseas infrastructure and facilities to provide inter-country (and sometimes intra-country) connectivity. A key item on this year Internet Forum agenda will be the issue of Africas ISPs finding ways of making the African backbone network a reality The Forum will follow the Internet training workshops, tutorials and related events being held by AfriNIC and AfNOG in Nairobi in May. AfNOG and AfriNIC are jointly organizing a two-week event that includes the AfNOG Workshop on Network Technology (offering advanced training in a week-long hands-on workshop), several half-day Tutorials, a one-day AfNOG meeting, and a two-day AfriNIC meeting. Further information about the event may be found at <http://www.afnog.org/afnog2006/> and <http://www.afrinic.net/meeting/>. AfNOG Workshop: 7-12 May 2006 (Sunday - Friday) AfNOG Tutorials: 14 May (Sunday) AfNOG Meeting: 15 May (Monday) AfriNIC Meeting: 16-17 May (Tuesday - Wednesday) African Internet Forum: 18-19 May (Thursday Friday) AfrISPA AGM: 19 May (Friday) -- Eric M.K Osiakwan Executive Secretary AfrISPA (www.afrispa.org) Tel: + 233.21.258800 Fax: + 233.21.258811 Cell: + 233.244.386792 Handle: eosiakwan Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North Blog: http://afrispa.skybuilders.com/users/Eric/blog.html Slang: "Tomorrow Now" --

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Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices
by Eric Osiakwan 04 Mar '06

04 Mar '06

Comrades, In a multistakeholder coalition like KICTANET, the principle is that any public engagement on behalf of the network must at least have majority buyin from the caucus. The lack of time to consult is not enough excuse to issue statements that does not even have the sight of members. The above provision does not also stop members of the coalition who have alternate positions to air them in view or otherwise of their minority vote. Eric here ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> Reply-To: Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:25:19 +0300 >Hi Malaba, > >I was under the impression that a "KICTANET statement" is a joint statement that needs wider consultation so as to legitimise the words below....because KICTANet does not exist without its membership. I may have been wrong. > >> > > We the members of the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet), a multistakeholder group of organisations > > > and networks from civil society, private >> > > sector, media, academia, and development partners > >Wainaina > > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: David Sparrow Malaba <sdmalaba(a)yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices >> Sent: 04 Mar '06 11:31 >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> I feel that as members of KICTANET, each one of us is >> free including our organizations to take a particular >> stand on any issue or issues at any time as they >> arise. But if Mr. Mungai is suggesting that in future >> we make joint press statements, then that is something >> else, that may perhaps require consultation from >> members. Some events do not provide us with adequate >> opportunity to consult each other. >> >> Let us play our roles even if it means commenting on >> any issue without fear of contradiction or even being >> labeled orvictimised by members. >> >> Kind regards >> David Malaba >> The Computer Society of Kenya >> >> >> --- "Made in Kenya.org" <info(a)madeinkenya.org> wrote: >> >> > Dear all, >> > >> > Just out of curiousity, who was consulted in the >> > drafting of this statement? As a member, I am >> > totally in the dark on this one.AS much as I >> > support the condemnation of the police action, I >> > must distance myself from this one-sided and >> > apparently unilaterally drafted statement that seems >> > to be in denial of the reality in Kenya today. Media >> > freedom is not absolute and Kenyan consumers have a >> > right to access accurate and unbiased information >> > from the media and other sources. >> > >> > The statement will only serve to sanitise misconduct >> > by the local media. KICTANet should not be seen as a >> > trade association where irresponsible media finds >> > solace.I hope that will not be the message >> > KICTANet will pass on to participants at the planned >> > "Media and ICTs workshop next week (March 10-13) in >> > Mombasa. All freedoms, especially the freedom of the >> > press must be exercised with restraint. Media >> > freedom carries with it alot of power and power has >> > corrupted a significant section of our media. >> > >> > The unilateral decision to draft and circulate a >> > statement on behalf of KICTANet despite protests >> > from some members(no matter how few) should not be >> > presented in a manner to imply that it is the >> > collective view of the network. >> > >> > Even the Media Owners Association did a much better >> > job by demanding that its membership exercise >> > responsible journalism. For that, I must >> > congratulate the MoA for exercising objectivity and >> > advice KICTANet to make an honest attempt at such >> > objectivity in future. >> > >> > Sincerely, >> > >> > Wainaina Mungai >> > >> > >-------Original Message------- >> > >From: alice(a)apc.org >> > >Subject: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network >> > Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices >> > >Sent: 03 Mar '06 10:27 >> > > >> > >Press Release >> > > >> > >Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid >> > on STANDARD AND KTN Offices >> > > >> > >3 March 2006 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > are shocked and outraged >> > >by the recent actions meted by the government on >> > the standard group. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >On Wednesday, 1 March 2006, the Government of >> > Kenya launched an >> > >unprecedented and vicious attack on the STANDARD >> > GROUP premises, harassed >> > >the journalists, confiscated equipment, >> > interrupted TV transmission and >> > >burned copies of the days newspaper edition. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >The Government has detained and continues to hold >> > in detention three >> > >Standard journalists apparently for misreporting >> > that a leading opposition >> > >politician had secretly met the President at >> > State House. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >When interviewed, the Internal Security Minister >> > Hon. Muchuki did not deny >> > >the governments involvement in this horrifying >> > event of March 1st stating >> > >state security as the reason behind the >> > governments actions. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >We see this as crude and gross abuse of power and >> > our constitution. >> > > >> > >At a recent ICT strategy conference held at the >> > safari park hotel his >> > >Excellency the president of Kenya unveiled >> > Kenyas ICT strategy, whose main >> > >objective is transforming Kenyas economy >> > through promoting and >> > >facilitating the private sector to serve as the >> > driver for economic >> > >development. This crude action contradicts the >> > governments recent >> > >objectives to maintain a favourable climate for >> > investment and creation of >> > >jobs for Kenyans.No investor would place their >> > money in an environment >> > >where the rule of law and order is disregarded >> > with utmost impunity. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >This action is also reminiscent of the dark days >> > in Kenya when the media was >> > >constantly harassed in order to suppress the >> > freedom of expression, thought >> > >and association.The action demonstrates that >> > the Government, which is the >> > >custodian of law and order is not committed to >> > the rule of law as the basic >> > >foundation for a modern and civilised society. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >Whereas the Government may be validly aggrieved, >> > there are established and >> > >internationally acceptable mechanisms for seeking >> > redress through the courts >> > >of law.The Kenya Telecommunication Act (1998 >> > revised 2001) clearly spells >> > >out the procedures that should be followed in the >> > event that a Media House >> > >needs to be shutdown. >> > > >> > >KICATNet translates this action as an attempt to >> > frighten the independent >> > >media, limit Kenyans political space and erode >> > our human rights. It is also >> > >a gross violation of our constitution. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >KICTANet therefore strongly condemns the >> > governments actions and stands in >> > >solidarity with the Kenyan media and particularly >> > our colleagues at the >> > >standard media group.We take this opportunity >> > to remind the government of >> > >Kenya that the foundation of a sound democracy is >> > the right to information >> > >and freedom of press. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >It is therefore imperative that the Government >> > quickly moves to restore not >> > >just investor confidence but also citizens >> > confidence in protection of our >> > >fundamental human rights and democratic space >> > that has been gained largely >> > >due to a free press. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >KICTANet is appalled by the actions and urges the >> > Minister(s) and the >> > >Agency/ies involved to publicly apologise and >> > expeditiously restore the >> > >services of the Media House as well as paying for >> > all the losses that the >> > >standard group have incurred. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) >> > > >> > > >> > >Contact Details for the network >> > > >> > >Judy Kimiti >> > > >> > >jkimiti(a)email.kictanet.or.ke >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > kictanet mailing list >> > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke >> > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> > >> > Please unsubscribe or change your options at >> > >> http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/sdmalaba%40yahoo.com >> > >> === message truncated === >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam?Yahoo! 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Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on
by Eric Osiakwan 04 Mar '06

04 Mar '06

Comrades, In a multistakeholder coalition like KICTANET, the principle is that any public engagement on behalf of the network must at least have majority buyin from the caucus. The lack of time to consult is not enough excuse to issue statements that does not even have the sight of members. The above provision does not also stop members of the coalition who have alternate positions to air them in view or otherwise of their minority vote. Eric here ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> Reply-To: Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:25:19 +0300 >Hi Malaba, > >I was under the impression that a "KICTANET statement" is a joint statement that needs wider consultation so as to legitimise the words below....because KICTANet does not exist without its membership. I may have been wrong. > >> > > We the members of the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet), a multistakeholder group of organisations > > > and networks from civil society, private >> > > sector, media, academia, and development partners > >Wainaina > > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: David Sparrow Malaba <sdmalaba(a)yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices >> Sent: 04 Mar '06 11:31 >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> I feel that as members of KICTANET, each one of us is >> free including our organizations to take a particular >> stand on any issue or issues at any time as they >> arise. But if Mr. Mungai is suggesting that in future >> we make joint press statements, then that is something >> else, that may perhaps require consultation from >> members. Some events do not provide us with adequate >> opportunity to consult each other. >> >> Let us play our roles even if it means commenting on >> any issue without fear of contradiction or even being >> labeled orvictimised by members. >> >> Kind regards >> David Malaba >> The Computer Society of Kenya >> >> >> --- "Made in Kenya.org" <info(a)madeinkenya.org> wrote: >> >> > Dear all, >> > >> > Just out of curiousity, who was consulted in the >> > drafting of this statement? As a member, I am >> > totally in the dark on this one.AS much as I >> > support the condemnation of the police action, I >> > must distance myself from this one-sided and >> > apparently unilaterally drafted statement that seems >> > to be in denial of the reality in Kenya today. Media >> > freedom is not absolute and Kenyan consumers have a >> > right to access accurate and unbiased information >> > from the media and other sources. >> > >> > The statement will only serve to sanitise misconduct >> > by the local media. KICTANet should not be seen as a >> > trade association where irresponsible media finds >> > solace.I hope that will not be the message >> > KICTANet will pass on to participants at the planned >> > "Media and ICTs workshop next week (March 10-13) in >> > Mombasa. All freedoms, especially the freedom of the >> > press must be exercised with restraint. Media >> > freedom carries with it alot of power and power has >> > corrupted a significant section of our media. >> > >> > The unilateral decision to draft and circulate a >> > statement on behalf of KICTANet despite protests >> > from some members(no matter how few) should not be >> > presented in a manner to imply that it is the >> > collective view of the network. >> > >> > Even the Media Owners Association did a much better >> > job by demanding that its membership exercise >> > responsible journalism. For that, I must >> > congratulate the MoA for exercising objectivity and >> > advice KICTANet to make an honest attempt at such >> > objectivity in future. >> > >> > Sincerely, >> > >> > Wainaina Mungai >> > >> > >-------Original Message------- >> > >From: alice(a)apc.org >> > >Subject: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network >> > Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices >> > >Sent: 03 Mar '06 10:27 >> > > >> > >Press Release >> > > >> > >Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid >> > on STANDARD AND KTN Offices >> > > >> > >3 March 2006 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > are shocked and outraged >> > >by the recent actions meted by the government on >> > the standard group. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >On Wednesday, 1 March 2006, the Government of >> > Kenya launched an >> > >unprecedented and vicious attack on the STANDARD >> > GROUP premises, harassed >> > >the journalists, confiscated equipment, >> > interrupted TV transmission and >> > >burned copies of the days newspaper edition. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >The Government has detained and continues to hold >> > in detention three >> > >Standard journalists apparently for misreporting >> > that a leading opposition >> > >politician had secretly met the President at >> > State House. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >When interviewed, the Internal Security Minister >> > Hon. Muchuki did not deny >> > >the governments involvement in this horrifying >> > event of March 1st stating >> > >state security as the reason behind the >> > governments actions. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >We see this as crude and gross abuse of power and >> > our constitution. >> > > >> > >At a recent ICT strategy conference held at the >> > safari park hotel his >> > >Excellency the president of Kenya unveiled >> > Kenyas ICT strategy, whose main >> > >objective is transforming Kenyas economy >> > through promoting and >> > >facilitating the private sector to serve as the >> > driver for economic >> > >development. This crude action contradicts the >> > governments recent >> > >objectives to maintain a favourable climate for >> > investment and creation of >> > >jobs for Kenyans.No investor would place their >> > money in an environment >> > >where the rule of law and order is disregarded >> > with utmost impunity. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >This action is also reminiscent of the dark days >> > in Kenya when the media was >> > >constantly harassed in order to suppress the >> > freedom of expression, thought >> > >and association.The action demonstrates that >> > the Government, which is the >> > >custodian of law and order is not committed to >> > the rule of law as the basic >> > >foundation for a modern and civilised society. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >Whereas the Government may be validly aggrieved, >> > there are established and >> > >internationally acceptable mechanisms for seeking >> > redress through the courts >> > >of law.The Kenya Telecommunication Act (1998 >> > revised 2001) clearly spells >> > >out the procedures that should be followed in the >> > event that a Media House >> > >needs to be shutdown. >> > > >> > >KICATNet translates this action as an attempt to >> > frighten the independent >> > >media, limit Kenyans political space and erode >> > our human rights. It is also >> > >a gross violation of our constitution. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >KICTANet therefore strongly condemns the >> > governments actions and stands in >> > >solidarity with the Kenyan media and particularly >> > our colleagues at the >> > >standard media group.We take this opportunity >> > to remind the government of >> > >Kenya that the foundation of a sound democracy is >> > the right to information >> > >and freedom of press. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >It is therefore imperative that the Government >> > quickly moves to restore not >> > >just investor confidence but also citizens >> > confidence in protection of our >> > >fundamental human rights and democratic space >> > that has been gained largely >> > >due to a free press. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >KICTANet is appalled by the actions and urges the >> > Minister(s) and the >> > >Agency/ies involved to publicly apologise and >> > expeditiously restore the >> > >services of the Media House as well as paying for >> > all the losses that the >> > >standard group have incurred. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) >> > > >> > > >> > >Contact Details for the network >> > > >> > >Judy Kimiti >> > > >> > >jkimiti(a)email.kictanet.or.ke >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > kictanet mailing list >> > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke >> > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> > >> > Please unsubscribe or change your options at >> > >> http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/sdmalaba%40yahoo.com >> > >> === message truncated === >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> --- >> Submitted by: Sparrow David Malaba - KITC <sdmalaba(a)yahoo.com> 2006-03-04 03:40:01 EST5 >> (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [wainaina.mungai(a)oneworld.net] >> To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist-cl-117112D(a)lyris.idrc.ca >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >kictanet mailing list >kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke >http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eric%40afrispa.org > -- Eric M.K Osiakwan Executive Secretary AfrISPA (www.afrispa.org) Tel: + 233.21.258800 Fax: + 233.21.258811 Cell: + 233.244.386792 Handle: eosiakwan Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North Blog: http://afrispa.skybuilders.com/users/Eric/blog.html Slang: "Tomorrow Now" --

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Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices
by Wainaina Mungai 04 Mar '06

04 Mar '06

Hi Malaba, I was under the impression that a "KICTANET statement" is a joint statement that needs wider consultation so as to legitimise the words below....because KICTANet does not exist without its membership. I may have been wrong. > > > We the members of the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet), a multistakeholder group of organisations > > > and networks from civil society, private > > > sector, media, academia, and development partners Wainaina > -------Original Message------- > From: David Sparrow Malaba <sdmalaba(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > Sent: 04 Mar '06 11:31 > > Dear Colleagues, > I feel that as members of KICTANET, each one of us is > free including our organizations to take a particular > stand on any issue or issues at any time as they > arise. But if Mr. Mungai is suggesting that in future > we make joint press statements, then that is something > else, that may perhaps require consultation from > members. Some events do not provide us with adequate > opportunity to consult each other. > > Let us play our roles even if it means commenting on > any issue without fear of contradiction or even being > labeled or victimised by members. > > Kind regards > David Malaba > The Computer Society of Kenya > > > --- "Made in Kenya.org" <info(a)madeinkenya.org> wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > Just out of curiousity, who was consulted in the > > drafting of this statement? As a member, I am > > totally in the dark on this one. AS much as I > > support the condemnation of the police action, I > > must distance myself from this one-sided and > > apparently unilaterally drafted statement that seems > > to be in denial of the reality in Kenya today. Media > > freedom is not absolute and Kenyan consumers have a > > right to access accurate and unbiased information > > from the media and other sources. > > > > The statement will only serve to sanitise misconduct > > by the local media. KICTANet should not be seen as a > > trade association where irresponsible media finds > > solace. I hope that will not be the message > > KICTANet will pass on to participants at the planned > > "Media and ICTs workshop next week (March 10-13) in > > Mombasa. All freedoms, especially the freedom of the > > press must be exercised with restraint. Media > > freedom carries with it alot of power and power has > > corrupted a significant section of our media. > > > > The unilateral decision to draft and circulate a > > statement on behalf of KICTANet despite protests > > from some members (no matter how few) should not be > > presented in a manner to imply that it is the > > collective view of the network. > > > > Even the Media Owners Association did a much better > > job by demanding that its membership exercise > > responsible journalism. For that, I must > > congratulate the MoA for exercising objectivity and > > advice KICTANet to make an honest attempt at such > > objectivity in future. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Wainaina Mungai > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > From: alice(a)apc.org > > > Subject: [Kictanet] Kenya ICT Action Network > > Condemns Overnight Raid on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > > > Sent: 03 Mar '06 10:27 > > > > > > Press Release > > > > > > Kenya ICT Action Network Condemns Overnight Raid > > on STANDARD AND KTN Offices > > > > > > 3 March 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are shocked and outraged > > > by the recent actions meted by the government on > > the standard group. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, 1 March 2006, the Government of > > Kenya launched an > > > unprecedented and vicious attack on the STANDARD > > GROUP premises, harassed > > > the journalists, confiscated equipment, > > interrupted TV transmission and > > > burned copies of the days newspaper edition. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Government has detained and continues to hold > > in detention three > > > Standard journalists apparently for misreporting > > that a leading opposition > > > politician had secretly met the President at > > State House. > > > > > > > > > > > > When interviewed, the Internal Security Minister > > Hon. Muchuki did not deny > > > the governments involvement in this horrifying > > event of March 1st stating > > > state security as the reason behind the > > governments actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > We see this as crude and gross abuse of power and > > our constitution. > > > > > > At a recent ICT strategy conference held at the > > safari park hotel his > > > Excellency the president of Kenya unveiled > > Kenyas ICT strategy, whose main > > > objective is transforming Kenyas economy > > through promoting and > > > facilitating the private sector to serve as the > > driver for economic > > > development. This crude action contradicts the > > governments recent > > > objectives to maintain a favourable climate for > > investment and creation of > > > jobs for Kenyans. No investor would place their > > money in an environment > > > where the rule of law and order is disregarded > > with utmost impunity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This action is also reminiscent of the dark days > > in Kenya when the media was > > > constantly harassed in order to suppress the > > freedom of expression, thought > > > and association. The action demonstrates that > > the Government, which is the > > > custodian of law and order is not committed to > > the rule of law as the basic > > > foundation for a modern and civilised society. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas the Government may be validly aggrieved, > > there are established and > > > internationally acceptable mechanisms for seeking > > redress through the courts > > > of law. The Kenya Telecommunication Act (1998 > > revised 2001) clearly spells > > > out the procedures that should be followed in the > > event that a Media House > > > needs to be shutdown. > > > > > > KICATNet translates this action as an attempt to > > frighten the independent > > > media, limit Kenyans political space and erode > > our human rights. It is also > > > a gross violation of our constitution. > > > > > > > > > > > > KICTANet therefore strongly condemns the > > governments actions and stands in > > > solidarity with the Kenyan media and particularly > > our colleagues at the > > > standard media group. We take this opportunity > > to remind the government of > > > Kenya that the foundation of a sound democracy is > > the right to information > > > and freedom of press. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is therefore imperative that the Government > > quickly moves to restore not > > > just investor confidence but also citizens > > confidence in protection of our > > > fundamental human rights and democratic space > > that has been gained largely > > > due to a free press. > > > > > > > > > > > > KICTANet is appalled by the actions and urges the > > Minister(s) and the > > > Agency/ies involved to publicly apologise and > > expeditiously restore the > > > services of the Media House as well as paying for > > all the losses that the > > > standard group have incurred. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) > > > > > > > > > Contact Details for the network > > > > > > Judy Kimiti > > > > > > jkimiti(a)email.kictanet.or.ke > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/sdmalaba%40yahoo.com > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --- > Submitted by: Sparrow David Malaba - KITC <sdmalaba(a)yahoo.com> 2006-03-04 03:40:01 EST5 > (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) > --- > You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [wainaina.mungai(a)oneworld.net] > To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist-cl-117112D(a)lyris.idrc.ca > >

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