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Commonwealth Internet Governance Forum Travel bursaries for the 4th IGF
by alice 14 Sep '09

14 Sep '09

Dear all, Find attached information about the Commonwealth travel bursaries for the 4th IGF. best Alice -------- Original Message -------- Details of the Commonwealth IGF and travel bursaries are attached for your information and can be found online on: www.commonwealthigf.org <http://www.commonwealthigf.org/> We would be grateful if you could disseminate the information through your networks.

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Bill Kagai 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Alex, Robert is apparently well known following emails I received from highly reputable people in the Human Rights sector where he last attacked. Through a bdix.net mailing list. You have opted to keep quiet about this. If you continue protecting his identity and he remains a member of your organisation, you ought to be ACCOUNTABLE as the chairman and let him face the full wrath of his RESPONSIBILITY. Otherwise, you are an accomplice. Don't mix the sad issue of Defamation today with Consumer Rights. I also want cheap internet. Also take heed, I do not represent Michael Joseph or any other person who faced attacks from Robert but I took responsibility to unearth the culprit as a proud Kenyan who is not ready to see one soul drive us into a destructive path. Unless you become bold and expose him, I am sorry I do not have anything good to say about you too and your organisation. Actually, I do not know what am doing in this list any more. Good bye....ALL. I can certainly get better things to do..... Bill On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Bill, > > "The trouble with being in the rat race is that even if you win, > you're still a rat."- Lily Tomlin. > I shall steer clear of the lowly races. > > inline responses, > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Alex, >> Don't beat around the bush. > > Bill = Impunity? Let's see.... > > But if you wish; > > 1) find out from your Safaricom friend where I was all day today. Ask > them for my mobile phone user location tracking and the days calls and > messages log to verify that indeed I had my handset on me all day. You > are aware that they all have all this huge amount of data(SMS, calls, > location, transaction, whom we call, when, conversation details etc ) > on all of our communications on their servers, right? We do not ask > for Data Protection bill aimlessly. > > 2) Indulge your investigations skills more- e.g. ask my neighbours if > I was at the location given unto you. > > 3) Go to Kenya Power and Lighting Company and ask them for their power > rationing program for today. And confirm whether indeed my location > had an outage. > > 4) I spoke with several respected senior personalities today who > needed data and information. Without power, I regretted, I could not > send them via emails. I am ready to give you their numbers for you to > confirm if indeed I told them so. > >> 1. Have you met Onyango Hatari in person?? >> 2. Do you have his contacts?? >> 3. Are you Onyango Hatari?? >> >> Call me....0724226600 we discuss this matter. We need to straighten >> this matter!!!! > > I shall not qualify or dignify your allegations with an honourable response. > > @Journalist: Anne-Marie Kinyanjui (and despite your disclaimer): > > Are you are qualified to advice us on consumer advocacy and > telecommunications investments? You wrote me an email asking for me > for data. What did you really want it for? > Whom does a journalist write for? See for "professional journalist" > here <http://tinyurl.com/john-pilger-video> > > I can send to kictanet the KBC and NTV News clips of the same Michael > Joseph interview, then all you can understand what I mean. Moderator > let me know I can do that? (~10MB). > > ---------- > Finally, > > My data-based analysis remains valid, until and unless Safaricom's > Michael Joseph offers verifiable proof on the contrary. Internet > prices have to come down, immediately! > > regards, > > Alex > >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Gakuru Alex >> <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Bill, your remark as it stands right here borders on something already >>> illegal.... Please take note. >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Ladies and Gentlemen, >>>> >>>> We are missing the point here. Clearly, 'Onyango Hatari' does not >>>> exist and is just a pseudonym for someone we know quite well on this >>>> list who prefers to spew hatred using a different email address. This >>>> matter in no longer on 'consumers' rights'. >>>> >>>> I would encourage Michael Joseph to report to the nearest police >>>> station for investigations to commence with a view of suing for libel >>>> because this is clear defamation. The Chairman of the ICT Consumers >>>> Association should be one of the respondents 'to assist police with >>>> investigations' since he seems to be the only one who knows the true >>>> identity of one Onyango Hatari. Or is there anyone in this list who >>>> has actually interacted with Onyango Hatari??? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bildad Kagai >>>> MD - MediaCorp Limited >>>> Nairobi Stock Exchange Authorised Information Vendor >>>> Suite B2, Tetu Court, State House Avenue >>>> P. O. Box 20311 - 00200 >>>> Nairobi, Kenya >>>> Tel. 254 20 272 8332 >>>> Fax. Rendered Obsolete >>>> S - 1°17'13.8" >>>> E - 36°48'22.7" >>>> www.mediacorp.co.ke >>>> --

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Kenya's ICT Policy development process
by Vanessa Malila 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Was hoping someone might be able to help. I am a PhD student at the University of Leeds doing my research on the ICT policy development process in Kenya - looking specifically at the role of the media and multi-stakeholder processes in the development of the 2006 National ICT Policy. I have been looking online for a copy of the draft ICT policy which was released in October 2004, but have not been able to find anything. Can anyone send me a copy or point me in the direction of where I could find one - if it is available electronically? I would really appreciate your feedback or help in this regard. Cheers, Vanessa Malila --------------------------------------------- Vanessa Malila PhD Student Institute of Communication Studies University of Leeds

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East African Fiber Summit
by aki 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Good morning, I'm a techie and a regular contributor on skunkslist. I'd like to add some contributions. Any views below are personal and not meant to cause any negative actions etc.. :-) I received an email attachment on the above subject detailing the program of the event. Though I'm not in a position to attend, I wanted to share my thoughts. After reviewing it, the program does not seem to hold much on what and where fiber should be heading in kenya. The program seems to revolve around a concept " when fiber arrives ". There are many excellent contributors on the program list and I hope that the summit will take things to much higher levels of discussion and focus on progress development through commitments. As I mentioned in my earlier contributions on other lists, Kdn and Safaricom ( including Onecom ) made history on July 27th. Safaricom took it further by holding event meetings for cyber owners outside Nairobi while Kdn was also able to push seacom packets all the way to the ugandan border. The summit should, in my view, present the strategies and solutions on offer based on techology, expansion and deployment of the fiber Nationally and across the border. This also brings me to my second point of contribution : TATA and Point of Presence in kenya : I was quite glad when recently TATA announced that they would be putting up a POP in kenya for tiered services. To have this pop in kenya was quite an important achievement and goes to show that Fiber will make Kenya a communications regional hub for the region. However, it has recently announced that TATA have gone with Access Kenya on this development. While I have nothing against any service provider or in this case Access Kenya, I believe that TATA have have made a disappointing start on the POP. As far as I know, Access Kenya does not at the moment represent itself as a National Operator nor does its services spread nationally nor across the border into Uganda or Rwanda. I'd have thought that TATA would be considering KDN, TKL or even Safaricom ( Onecom ) for its POP. I hope in future POP operators do realise the impact of their decisions. Corrections are welcome. Rgds.

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Solomon Mburu 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Alex, Mistakes are made in ideas, but that does not mean I have not dome my research well. I think I should have said, Bill, stay on in fighting for the battle of empowering the internet users of their rights. By this, I do not mean he (Bill) is the only person who does that. We are all doing it in our own capacities! Thanks 2009/9/10 Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> > Solomon, > > It would really help everyone if you did your background research a > little more before commenting on some issues. > > Thanks, > > Alex > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Bill, > > > > Stay on and fight for what you want while in the 'system.' If you pull > > out, you;ll have lost the battle of internet rights and users! > > > > > > > > On 10/09/2009, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Bill, > >> > >> Leaving the list is not the solution....in my view there is more good > than > >> bad. > >> > >> N > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> > >> To: elizaslider(a)yahoo.com > >> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; KICTAnet ICT Policy > Discussions > >> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:57:39 PM > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > >> > >> Alex, > >> Robert is apparently well known following emails I received from > >> highly reputable people in the Human Rights sector where he last > >> attacked. Through a bdix.net mailing list. You have opted to keep > >> quiet about this. > >> > >> If you continue protecting his identity and he remains a member of > >> your organisation, you ought to be ACCOUNTABLE as the chairman and let > >> him face the full wrath of his RESPONSIBILITY. Otherwise, you are an > >> accomplice. > >> > >> Don't mix the sad issue of Defamation today with Consumer Rights. I > >> also want cheap internet. > >> > >> Also take heed, I do not represent Michael Joseph or any other person > >> who faced attacks from Robert but I took responsibility to unearth the > >> culprit as a proud Kenyan who is not ready to see one soul drive us > >> into a destructive path. > >> > >> Unless you become bold and expose him, I am sorry I do not have > >> anything good to say about you too and your organisation. Actually, I > >> do not know what am doing in this list any more. > >> > >> Good bye....ALL. I can certainly get better things to do..... > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Gakuru Alex < > alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> Bill, > >>> > >>> "The trouble with being in the rat race is that even if you win, > >>> you're still a rat."- Lily Tomlin. > >>> I shall steer clear of the lowly races. > >>> > >>> inline responses, > >>> > >>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> Alex, > >>>> Don't beat around the bush. > >>> > >>> Bill = Impunity? Let's see.... > >>> > >>> But if you wish; > >>> > >>> 1) find out from your Safaricom friend where I was all day today. Ask > >>> them for my mobile phone user location tracking and the days calls and > >>> messages log to verify that indeed I had my handset on me all day. You > >>> are aware that they all have all this huge amount of data(SMS, calls, > >>> location, transaction, whom we call, when, conversation details etc ) > >>> on all of our communications on their servers, right? We do not ask > >>> for Data Protection bill aimlessly. > >>> > >>> 2) Indulge your investigations skills more- e.g. ask my neighbours if > >>> I was at the location given unto you. > >>> > >>> 3) Go to Kenya Power and Lighting Company and ask them for their power > >>> rationing program for today. And confirm whether indeed my location > >>> had an outage. > >>> > >>> 4) I spoke with several respected senior personalities today who > >>> needed data and information. Without power, I regretted, I could not > >>> send them via emails. I am ready to give you their numbers for you to > >>> confirm if indeed I told them so. > >>> > >>>> 1. Have you met Onyango Hatari in person?? > >>>> 2. Do you have his contacts?? > >>>> 3. Are you Onyango Hatari?? > >>>> > >>>> Call me....0724226600 we discuss this matter. We need to straighten > >>>> this matter!!!! > >>> > >>> I shall not qualify or dignify your allegations with an honourable > >>> response. > >>> > >>> @Journalist: Anne-Marie Kinyanjui (and despite your disclaimer): > >>> > >>> Are you are qualified to advice us on consumer advocacy and > >>> telecommunications investments? You wrote me an email asking for me > >>> for data. What did you really want it for? > >>> Whom does a journalist write for? See for "professional journalist" > >>> here <http://tinyurl.com/john-pilger-video> > >>> > >>> I can send to kictanet the KBC and NTV News clips of the same Michael > >>> Joseph interview, then all you can understand what I mean. Moderator > >>> let me know I can do that? (~10MB). > >>> > >>> ---------- > >>> Finally, > >>> > >>> My data-based analysis remains valid, until and unless Safaricom's > >>> Michael Joseph offers verifiable proof on the contrary. Internet > >>> prices have to come down, immediately! > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> > >>> Alex > >>> > >>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Gakuru Alex > >>>> <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> Bill, your remark as it stands right here borders on something > already > >>>>> illegal.... Please take note. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> Ladies and Gentlemen, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We are missing the point here. Clearly, 'Onyango Hatari' does not > >>>>>> exist and is just a pseudonym for someone we know quite well on this > >>>>>> list who prefers to spew hatred using a different email address. > This > >>>>>> matter in no longer on 'consumers' rights'. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I would encourage Michael Joseph to report to the nearest police > >>>>>> station for investigations to commence with a view of suing for > libel > >>>>>> because this is clear defamation. The Chairman of the ICT Consumers > >>>>>> Association should be one of the respondents 'to assist police with > >>>>>> investigations' since he seems to be the only one who knows the true > >>>>>> identity of one Onyango Hatari. Or is there anyone in this list who > >>>>>> has actually interacted with Onyango Hatari??? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Bildad Kagai > >>>>>> MD - MediaCorp Limited > >>>>>> Nairobi Stock Exchange Authorised Information Vendor > >>>>>> Suite B2, Tetu Court, State House Avenue > >>>>>> P. O. Box 20311 - 00200 > >>>>>> Nairobi, Kenya > >>>>>> Tel. 254 20 272 8332 > >>>>>> Fax. Rendered Obsolete > >>>>>> S - 1°17'13.8" > >>>>>> E - 36°48'22.7" > >>>>>> www.mediacorp.co.ke > >>>>>> -- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> kictanet mailing list > >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >> > >> This message was sent to: elizaslider(a)yahoo.com > >> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/elizaslider%40yahoo.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Solomon Mburu > > P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi > > Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 > > > > Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all > > the same way to the side of a hill! > > > > AND > > > > It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous > generosity! > > > > > > blog: http://desires-and-dreams.blogspot.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ke-internetusers mailing list > > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > > > -- Solomon Mburu P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill! AND It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity! blog: http://desires-and-dreams.blogspot.com Sent from Nairobi, Kenya

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Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Gakuru Alex 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

<http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/410/16/39787.html>

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Re: [kictanet] The Way Forward...my 2 bob... WAS: Re: Invitation: 2009 EA-IGF, 7-9 September 2009, Nairobi, Kenya
by Douglas Onyango 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

> well, if the goal is to harmonise, why not have a regional > one from > the beginning, developed in a MSH fashion. Countries > can accept or > reject and negotiate according to their own agendas. We want to follow the bottom up approach, so it is imperative that countries come with their views to the table. > ?? I don't WANT to leave it to politicians alone ;-) No McTim, i don't - i am just reiterating that untill we have proper ground to form a working group/mailing list etc we can hang in there; I used the Politicians to present a group that is good-to-go Regards, Douglas Onyango +256(0712)981329 If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the Problem. --- On Wed, 9/9/09, McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com> wrote: > From: McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Way Forward...my 2 bob... WAS: Re: Invitation: 2009 EA-IGF, 7-9 September 2009, Nairobi, Kenya > To: "Douglas Onyango" <ondouglas(a)yahoo.com> > Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:44 AM > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:32 AM, > Douglas Onyango<ondouglas(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > McTim, > > I am with you on this. > > > > But i wish to point out that the issue of interest > groups is rather tricky > > to implement at an EA level at the moment. > > Rationale: Countries are still developing their > national positions on > > various issues and asking them to debate this at a > regional level would be > > rather premature. > > well, if the goal is to harmonise, why not have a regional > one from > the beginning, developed in a MSH fashion. Countries > can accept or > reject and negotiate according to their own agendas. > > > > > On the flip side of the coin, i think the parts of > EA that has issues they > > can deliberate on like the Parilamentarians are > already convenig this > > afternoon - so on this front your concern is being > addressed. > > ?? I don't WANT to leave it to politicians alone ;-) > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where > it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >

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Alex - Expose Robert
by Bill Kagai 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Alex, To protect the reputation of Kenya Internet Consumers Association, don't let Robert hide under your organisation. I do not think you are in cahoots. Expose him, we sink him. --- Bill

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Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by eunicekariuki＠ict.go.ke 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

You don't fool me one bit! Sorry Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: Theus Owicho <owichot(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:12:54 To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices Eunice I always dont involve myself in fights over the internet so if you really want to engage me call me for coffee and lets sort it out. I have much to live for and many to give and internet aquintances and fights are just not for me. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM, <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> wrote: > Sorry Owicho or whoever you are but the language and tone of this email > suggests that you are 'Onyango'. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > > ------------------------------ > *From*: Theus Owicho > *Date*: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:44:30 +0300 > *To*: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> > *Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high > internet prices > Guys > > there are things which doesn't warrant any comment because you might think > that you are containing the "Onyango" kumbe you are making him famous. This > guy is now a silent martyr to many here. If you don't like it, just don't > respond > > Response and counter attacks on mailings lists will never contain the > aggressors. They become bolder because people are listening and we have seen > them attack on regard to expiry of Bundles in Safcom and the expiry was > extended. > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> On 10/09/2009, eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> wrote: >> > Hahaaaa! How funny. >> > >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> > >> > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:49:33 >> > To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> > Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> > ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> prices >> > >> > >> > We dont need KICTANET to tell Kenyans that Eunice is using bellow the >> belt >> > to award favours. What is the number os users in KICTANET? Be serious. >> We >> > dont need KICTANET for this to be known >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> >> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:44:02 +0000 >> >> To: onyango(a)inbox.com >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >> prices >> >> >> >> You have missed the whole point as expected!! >> >> >> >> And sorry I will not give you the pleasure of being drawn into the >> level >> >> of arguing nor engage you as I know there will only be disgrace to be >> >> gained. >> >> >> >> I certainly feel sorry for you and hope you hope someone can help you >> >> soon. >> >> Pole sana. >> >> >> >> As for kictanet, this very juvenile language/ communication and level >> of >> >> thinking or interpreting matters of national importance is an >> >> embarrassment to the country, given the subscription nos. >> >> The real debate should be how to streamline debates so that they are of >> >> high quality! Alice, Walu over to you. >> >> >> >> Ek >> >> >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:28:01 >> >> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> >> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> >> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >> prices >> >> >> >> >> >> Eunice >> >> >> >> The debate is personalised because the stakeholders are personalising >> >> everything >> >> >> >> Dont say that the first priority of Michael JOseph is to teh >> shareholder >> >> while am a shareholder and priority is definitely not on me nor the >> >> majority who boycotted the AGM because of Michael Josephs arrogance. >> >> >> >> And now you bring Ringera issue into ICT matters. Wako was very wrong >> >> like he has been. There is no way a court ruling can bind the Kenyan >> >> parliament. There is separation of powers and thank God you will be >> >> excused because you are a marketer and seems to have very minute >> >> knowledge on law. The fact that you bring Ringera issues is suspect >> >> because first you have used the same bad laws to hinder people from >> >> accessing ICT Board and when access has been imminent you have tried to >> >> force peopel to have sex with you so that they get favours from ICT >> >> Board. Dont try to act like an angel. We know what you are doing. >> >> >> >> How do you expect people to be objective while you at ICT Board have >> not >> >> been objective nor fair to anyone. >> >> >> >> Be serious. Stop kidding us. >> >> >> >> OH >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> >>> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:11:06 +0000 >> >>> To: onyango(a)inbox.com >> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >>> prices >> >>> >> >>> This debate is so personalised that I can't help to wonder where the >> >>> 'policy advocacy' aspect of kictanet forum is! By focusing on MJ and >> not >> >>> Safaricom you make him more powerful! Yet he is just the CEO and for >> now >> >>> its spokesperson. >> >>> >> >>> We shall do well , very well when we stop being so emotional and >> >>> personal >> >>> on matters of ICT at whatever level. >> >>> >> >>> Any other way leaves Desai and sour, may be even bad taste in the >> mouths >> >>> of those we appeal to do xyz for the industry. >> >>> >> >>> Their(michael and others in similar positions of economic influence) >> >>> first priority is to their shareholders; Recall the way Wako >> arrogantly >> >>> but correctly advised parliament on the Ringera issue? That they can >> >>> only >> >>> request or express opinions and hope they will be considered by law >> >>> interpreters(courts). Tough pill to swallow on an issue such the >> Ringera >> >>> one but wako says only the court can interpret law. >> >>> >> >>> In the case of this forum, we should consider putting across our >> policy >> >>> requests, opinions, views, suggestions in sober, objective and above >> >>> board manner! >> >>> Any other way will yield nothing, unless you take off from internet to >> >>> the streets to protest or get commissions to be appointed to make >> >>> recommendations (at your tax cost) which may never be implemented any >> >>> way. >> >>> >> >>> Ek >> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> >>> >> >>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:44:03 >> >>> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> >>> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> >>> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >>> prices >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >>> kictanet mailing list >> >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >>> >> >>> This message was sent to: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >>> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eunicekariuki%40ict.go… >> >>> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >>> kictanet mailing list >> >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >>> >> >>> This message was sent to: onyango(a)inbox.com >> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >>> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/onyango%40inbox.com >> > >> >____________________________________________________________ >> > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! >> > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! >> >_______________________________________________ >> > kictanet mailing list >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> > >> > This message was sent to: solo.mburu(a)gmail.com >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/solo.mburu%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Solomon Mburu >> P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi >> Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 >> >> Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all >> the same way to the side of a hill! >> >> AND >> >> It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous >> generosity! >>_______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > >

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Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by eunicekariuki＠ict.go.ke 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Sorry Owicho or whoever you are but the language and tone of this email suggests that you are 'Onyango'. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: Theus Owicho <owichot(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:44:30 To: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> Cc: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke>; ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices Guys there are things which doesn't warrant any comment because you might think that you are containing the "Onyango" kumbe you are making him famous. This guy is now a silent martyr to many here. If you don't like it, just don't respond Response and counter attacks on mailings lists will never contain the aggressors. They become bolder because people are listening and we have seen them attack on regard to expiry of Bundles in Safcom and the expiry was extended. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 10/09/2009, eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> wrote: > > Hahaaaa! How funny. > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:49:33 > > To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> > > Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; > > ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > > > > > > We dont need KICTANET to tell Kenyans that Eunice is using bellow the > belt > > to award favours. What is the number os users in KICTANET? Be serious. We > > dont need KICTANET for this to be known > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > >> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:44:02 +0000 > >> To: onyango(a)inbox.com > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > >> prices > >> > >> You have missed the whole point as expected!! > >> > >> And sorry I will not give you the pleasure of being drawn into the level > >> of arguing nor engage you as I know there will only be disgrace to be > >> gained. > >> > >> I certainly feel sorry for you and hope you hope someone can help you > >> soon. > >> Pole sana. > >> > >> As for kictanet, this very juvenile language/ communication and level of > >> thinking or interpreting matters of national importance is an > >> embarrassment to the country, given the subscription nos. > >> The real debate should be how to streamline debates so that they are of > >> high quality! Alice, Walu over to you. > >> > >> Ek > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > >> > >> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:28:01 > >> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> > >> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; > >> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > >> prices > >> > >> > >> Eunice > >> > >> The debate is personalised because the stakeholders are personalising > >> everything > >> > >> Dont say that the first priority of Michael JOseph is to teh shareholder > >> while am a shareholder and priority is definitely not on me nor the > >> majority who boycotted the AGM because of Michael Josephs arrogance. > >> > >> And now you bring Ringera issue into ICT matters. Wako was very wrong > >> like he has been. There is no way a court ruling can bind the Kenyan > >> parliament. There is separation of powers and thank God you will be > >> excused because you are a marketer and seems to have very minute > >> knowledge on law. The fact that you bring Ringera issues is suspect > >> because first you have used the same bad laws to hinder people from > >> accessing ICT Board and when access has been imminent you have tried to > >> force peopel to have sex with you so that they get favours from ICT > >> Board. Dont try to act like an angel. We know what you are doing. > >> > >> How do you expect people to be objective while you at ICT Board have not > >> been objective nor fair to anyone. > >> > >> Be serious. Stop kidding us. > >> > >> OH > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > >>> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:11:06 +0000 > >>> To: onyango(a)inbox.com > >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > >>> prices > >>> > >>> This debate is so personalised that I can't help to wonder where the > >>> 'policy advocacy' aspect of kictanet forum is! By focusing on MJ and > not > >>> Safaricom you make him more powerful! Yet he is just the CEO and for > now > >>> its spokesperson. > >>> > >>> We shall do well , very well when we stop being so emotional and > >>> personal > >>> on matters of ICT at whatever level. > >>> > >>> Any other way leaves Desai and sour, may be even bad taste in the > mouths > >>> of those we appeal to do xyz for the industry. > >>> > >>> Their(michael and others in similar positions of economic influence) > >>> first priority is to their shareholders; Recall the way Wako > arrogantly > >>> but correctly advised parliament on the Ringera issue? That they can > >>> only > >>> request or express opinions and hope they will be considered by law > >>> interpreters(courts). Tough pill to swallow on an issue such the > Ringera > >>> one but wako says only the court can interpret law. > >>> > >>> In the case of this forum, we should consider putting across our policy > >>> requests, opinions, views, suggestions in sober, objective and above > >>> board manner! > >>> Any other way will yield nothing, unless you take off from internet to > >>> the streets to protest or get commissions to be appointed to make > >>> recommendations (at your tax cost) which may never be implemented any > >>> way. > >>> > >>> Ek > >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > >>> > >>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:44:03 > >>> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> > >>> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; > >>> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > >>> prices > >>> > >>> > >> >_______________________________________________ > >>> kictanet mailing list > >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >>> > >>> This message was sent to: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eunicekariuki%40ict.go… > >>> > >> >_______________________________________________ > >>> kictanet mailing list > >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >>> > >>> This message was sent to: onyango(a)inbox.com > >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/onyango%40inbox.com > > > >____________________________________________________________ > > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! > > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! > >_______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: solo.mburu(a)gmail.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/solo.mburu%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Solomon Mburu > P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi > Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 > > Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all > the same way to the side of a hill! > > AND > > It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous > generosity! >_______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by eunicekariuki＠ict.go.ke 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Hahaaaa! How funny. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:49:33 To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices We dont need KICTANET to tell Kenyans that Eunice is using bellow the belt to award favours. What is the number os users in KICTANET? Be serious. We dont need KICTANET for this to be known > -----Original Message----- > From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:44:02 +0000 > To: onyango(a)inbox.com > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > > You have missed the whole point as expected!! > > And sorry I will not give you the pleasure of being drawn into the level > of arguing nor engage you as I know there will only be disgrace to be > gained. > > I certainly feel sorry for you and hope you hope someone can help you > soon. > Pole sana. > > As for kictanet, this very juvenile language/ communication and level of > thinking or interpreting matters of national importance is an > embarrassment to the country, given the subscription nos. > The real debate should be how to streamline debates so that they are of > high quality! Alice, Walu over to you. > > Ek > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > > -----Original Message----- > From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:28:01 > To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> > Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; > ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > > > Eunice > > The debate is personalised because the stakeholders are personalising > everything > > Dont say that the first priority of Michael JOseph is to teh shareholder > while am a shareholder and priority is definitely not on me nor the > majority who boycotted the AGM because of Michael Josephs arrogance. > > And now you bring Ringera issue into ICT matters. Wako was very wrong > like he has been. There is no way a court ruling can bind the Kenyan > parliament. There is separation of powers and thank God you will be > excused because you are a marketer and seems to have very minute > knowledge on law. The fact that you bring Ringera issues is suspect > because first you have used the same bad laws to hinder people from > accessing ICT Board and when access has been imminent you have tried to > force peopel to have sex with you so that they get favours from ICT > Board. Dont try to act like an angel. We know what you are doing. > > How do you expect people to be objective while you at ICT Board have not > been objective nor fair to anyone. > > Be serious. Stop kidding us. > > OH > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:11:06 +0000 >> To: onyango(a)inbox.com >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> prices >> >> This debate is so personalised that I can't help to wonder where the >> 'policy advocacy' aspect of kictanet forum is! By focusing on MJ and not >> Safaricom you make him more powerful! Yet he is just the CEO and for now >> its spokesperson. >> >> We shall do well , very well when we stop being so emotional and >> personal >> on matters of ICT at whatever level. >> >> Any other way leaves Desai and sour, may be even bad taste in the mouths >> of those we appeal to do xyz for the industry. >> >> Their(michael and others in similar positions of economic influence) >> first priority is to their shareholders; Recall the way Wako arrogantly >> but correctly advised parliament on the Ringera issue? That they can >> only >> request or express opinions and hope they will be considered by law >> interpreters(courts). Tough pill to swallow on an issue such the Ringera >> one but wako says only the court can interpret law. >> >> In the case of this forum, we should consider putting across our policy >> requests, opinions, views, suggestions in sober, objective and above >> board manner! >> Any other way will yield nothing, unless you take off from internet to >> the streets to protest or get commissions to be appointed to make >> recommendations (at your tax cost) which may never be implemented any >> way. >> >> Ek >> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:44:03 >> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> prices >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eunicekariuki%40ict.go… >> > >_______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: onyango(a)inbox.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/onyango%40inbox.com ____________________________________________________________ GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! 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Fwd: Re: Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Bildad Kagai 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

> From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> > I do not have power today and my laptop battery is low. You will all > have to excuse my absence until later when power is back. I shall > respond to every question directed at me. > From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > Thanks Bill. I will call you and even invite you for Coffee in Java. > And tell them to bring the police then to serve me with the suit. I > will call you ndugu Alex/Hatari, You should expect natural consequences of what you do. Your excuse is LAME to say the least. Whether you are changing your tactical gambit or creating a new email address to light another tinderbox, you should be courageous enough not to hide your identity at cybercafes to push your agenda. What happened here today was 'out of order' and I hope the concerned aggrieved parties do take this matter to the relevant authorities at least as a deterrent measure for future escapades. I hope that very soon, we shall see the real face of Onyango Hatari who attempted to under-estimate the intelligence of this community by planting seeds of discord as soon as the long arm of the law catches up with him. I for one, will bear witness to the sad events that transpired today. I am confident we shall see an 'arrest' soon.

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by eunicekariuki＠ict.go.ke 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

You have missed the whole point as expected!! And sorry I will not give you the pleasure of being drawn into the level of arguing nor engage you as I know there will only be disgrace to be gained. I certainly feel sorry for you and hope you hope someone can help you soon. Pole sana. As for kictanet, this very juvenile language/ communication and level of thinking or interpreting matters of national importance is an embarrassment to the country, given the subscription nos. The real debate should be how to streamline debates so that they are of high quality! Alice, Walu over to you. Ek Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:28:01 To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices Eunice The debate is personalised because the stakeholders are personalising everything Dont say that the first priority of Michael JOseph is to teh shareholder while am a shareholder and priority is definitely not on me nor the majority who boycotted the AGM because of Michael Josephs arrogance. And now you bring Ringera issue into ICT matters. Wako was very wrong like he has been. There is no way a court ruling can bind the Kenyan parliament. There is separation of powers and thank God you will be excused because you are a marketer and seems to have very minute knowledge on law. The fact that you bring Ringera issues is suspect because first you have used the same bad laws to hinder people from accessing ICT Board and when access has been imminent you have tried to force peopel to have sex with you so that they get favours from ICT Board. Dont try to act like an angel. We know what you are doing. How do you expect people to be objective while you at ICT Board have not been objective nor fair to anyone. Be serious. Stop kidding us. OH > -----Original Message----- > From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:11:06 +0000 > To: onyango(a)inbox.com > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > > This debate is so personalised that I can't help to wonder where the > 'policy advocacy' aspect of kictanet forum is! By focusing on MJ and not > Safaricom you make him more powerful! Yet he is just the CEO and for now > its spokesperson. > > We shall do well , very well when we stop being so emotional and personal > on matters of ICT at whatever level. > > Any other way leaves Desai and sour, may be even bad taste in the mouths > of those we appeal to do xyz for the industry. > > Their(michael and others in similar positions of economic influence) > first priority is to their shareholders; Recall the way Wako arrogantly > but correctly advised parliament on the Ringera issue? That they can only > request or express opinions and hope they will be considered by law > interpreters(courts). Tough pill to swallow on an issue such the Ringera > one but wako says only the court can interpret law. > > In the case of this forum, we should consider putting across our policy > requests, opinions, views, suggestions in sober, objective and above > board manner! > Any other way will yield nothing, unless you take off from internet to > the streets to protest or get commissions to be appointed to make > recommendations (at your tax cost) which may never be implemented any > way. > > Ek > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > > -----Original Message----- > From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:44:03 > To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> > Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; > ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > > >_______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eunicekariuki%40ict.go… > >_______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: onyango(a)inbox.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/onyango%40inbox.com

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The Way Forward...my 2 bob... WAS: Re: Invitation: 2009 EA-IGF, 7-9 September 2009, Nairobi, Kenya
by McTim 09 Sep '09

09 Sep '09

Ladies and Gents, I have been thinking about this a great deal over the last few days. My position remains the same, the IGF (global one) is not a negotiating, output focused body. HOWEVER, there is no reason the National or Regional IGFs cannot produce outputs to help local and regional policy makers. As much as I applaud the fantastic organisational job done to bring this EAIGF about, I think that IF this body wants to actually produce a useful output for policy makers, it needs to shift format a bit. Instead of being a "presentations with a few questions at the end" kind of thing, I think that breaking up into subject matter working groups (with associated mailing lists per subject) over the course of the year will be more likely to produce useful frameworks for policy makers. Hope to see you later this morning, McTim On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Walubengo J<jwalu(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > McTim, > > thanx for your observations. i think what Vincent meant was the bigger picture which is that for our issues to be 'felt' or 'heard' at a global level, it counts to speak as a Region. > > And so according to me one major outcome from the ongoing meeting is to learn from each other and arrive at what you might call an E.African view/position on the various burning issues under CyberSecurity, Domain mngt, Infrastrucutre (e.g. undersea cable), Local Content, etc. > > walu. > > > --- On Sun, 9/6/09, McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> From: McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Invitation: 2009 EA-IGF, 7-9 September 2009, Nairobi, Kenya >> To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 9:00 PM >> Hi Vincent, >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Vincent Ngundi<vincent(a)kenic.or.ke> >> wrote: >> <snip> >> > The expected outcome of this will be a framework that >> ushers the region into >> > the digital economy. The outcome will also be a >> negotiating platform during >> > the fourth United Nations Internet Governance Forum >> (UN IGF) taking place in >> > Sharm El-Sheikh, Egypt, in November 2009, >> >> Can you clarify this please? AFAIK, the IGF is NOT a >> negotiating body. >> >> Our output could be an "input" for discussion, but there is >> no process >> or way to negotiate anything at the IGF (which has, after >> all, no >> "authority" to compel anyone to behave in a certain way). >> >> See you at the jacaranda tomorrow! >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> McTim >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where >> it is. A >> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: jwalu(a)yahoo.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> > > > >

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Invitation: 2009 EA-IGF, 7-9 September 2009, Nairobi, Kenya
by Vincent Ngundi 07 Sep '09

07 Sep '09

[reminder]: 2009 EA-IGF - http://www.eaigf.or.ke Dear Colleagues, The competitiveness of our economies is increasingly dependent on the Internet and therefore mainstreaming our region in the cyberspace is of paramount importance. The challenges to achieve the knowledge economy in our region have been identified as: * Access to Broadband (at the village, in schools, in banks, in manufacturing); * Cyber Security, Trust and Privacy (for banks, for the government, for he individual user); * Policy, Legal and Regulatory Issues (to make access to Internet available and affordable, to protect consumers); * Critical Internet Resources (to ensure the stability, growth and security of the Internet); * Internet User and Consumer Protection (to protect your online identity, to protect your personal data, to guarantee your right to communicate and to information and knowledge). To address these issues at the regional level KICTANet, KENIC and other participating organizations have brought together participants from the East Africa countries of Burundi, Rwanda, Tanzania, Uganda and Kenya. They will be joined by delegates from the international community including the United Kingdom (UK), Japan, the United States of America (USA) and Canada among others. The expected outcome of this will be a framework that ushers the region into the digital economy. The outcome will also be a negotiating platform during the fourth United Nations Internet Governance Forum (UN IGF) taking place in Sharm El-Sheikh, Egypt, in November 2009, the African Information Society conference in Addis Ababa in January 2010 as well as set the stage for the 37th Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) meeting to be held in Nairobi, Kenya, in March 2010. This is to therefore invite you as key Internet stakeholder in the region to join the leaders to help formulate the strategy for the future of the Internet. Kindly visit the website www.eaigf.or.ke <http://www.eaigf.or.ke> to register for next week¹s internet governance meeting: 7th - 9th September at the Jacaranda Hotel. Kind Regards, ----------- Vincent Ngundi Administrative Manager KENIC - The Kenya Network Information Centre http://www.kenic.or.ke vincent(a)kenic.or.ke [T] +254 20 4450057/8 [C] +254 20 2398036 [M] +254 733 790073 [F] +254 20 4450087 ³dot KE for Every Name in Kenya!²

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Commonwealth travel support for IGF Sharm el Sheikh
by Adam Peake 07 Sep '09

07 Sep '09

The <http://www.commonwealthconnects.net/>Commonwealth Connects Programme has set up a travel fund to help people from Commonwealth countries to attend the IGF meeting in Sharm el Sheikh. Information below, and in more detail on the Commonwealth website <http://commonwealthigf.org/cms/index.php/home.html>. Note, deadline for applications is September 14. Please hurry :-) Info copied from the Commonwealth site below. Adam Aim of the Bursary As part of this strategy for more engagement, the Commonwealth Internet Governance Forum have set up a modest travel fund to offer young professionals who are active in Internet Governance in their countries or field, the opportunity to participate at the IGF meeting in Sharm el Sheikh. Criteria/ Eligibility Applicants must * be nationals of a developing Commonwealth country * be active in Internet Governance related issues in their field of expertise or their country. * play an active role at the IGF, presenting in a workshop or panel or presenting their work in the IGF Market place. * be able to demonstrate how their participation will benefit their country and ensure security, affordability in providing access for all. Terms & Conditions The travel bursary will cover cost of return economy air travel. All other accommodation, meals and local costs will have to be covered by the applicants themselves. Visa application and related costs will also be covered by the applicants. The final confirmation of the award of the travel bursary will be made once the visa is in hand. Any last minute cancellation or failure to attend will cancel the terms of the bursary and a full refund of costs will have to be made. Awardees will be re-imbursed for travel costs after the submission of a report at the end of the event. A report of around 500 words, must be submitted no later than 4 weeks after the completion of the event. The report should describe the experience, including a brief summary of the work undertaken by the applicant, together with the skills and experience gained. The report should address how the placement has been of benefit to the applicant in relation to his / her course of study, new skills learned, future career prospects and personal development. If a satisfactory report is not submitted within that time, the Secretariat will consider it a breach of the Terms & Conditions and may refuse to reimburse the costs of travel. Selection Process Submissions via an application form (available on the web) must include a supporting statement (not more than 200 words) of how the proposed opportunity ensures secure and affordable access for all in a Commonwealth country. Applicants must include references, from academic tutor or line manager. Selection Committee shall make the final selection based on the funds available. The committee shall also identify a number of standby candidates in case a selected candidate does not/cannot take up the offer of an award. Therefore a number of candidates may be shortlisted for the bursary and advised closer to the time. The committee¹s decision on any application is FINAL. The Secretariat will NOT enter into any communication with applicants regarding unsuccessful applications. Timescales Deadlines 24th August Announcements Call for Applications 7th September Deadline for Applications 11th September Selection and shortlisting 17th September Review by Selection Committee 28th September Announcement of Selected Candidates Candidates make flight and visa arrangements and confirm all is in order 24th October Formal Award of Bursaries END

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Fwd: Invitation: 2009 EA-IGF, 7-9 September 2009, Nairobi, Kenya
by McTim 07 Sep '09

07 Sep '09

All, On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Solomon Mburu<solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I also concur with Walu on this. The deliberations out of the on-going > EAIGF, will make our East African voice be heard at the > internationational level. Is there a single "EA voice" on IG issues? I understand the notion of having a EA policy framework coming out of the EAIGF. That is a very powerful role for the EAIGF indeed. My objection is mainly that we seem to think in terms of nation states as the basic unit of IG policy making. From my experience, that is not the case, and I oppose any attempts to make it so. Find me at lunch, we can talk more ;-) Rgds, McTim > > On 07/09/2009, Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> McTim, >> >> thanx for your observations. i think what Vincent meant was the bigger >> picture which is that for our issues to be 'felt' or 'heard' at a global >> level, it counts to speak as a Region. >> >> And so according to me one major outcome from the ongoing meeting is to >> learn from each other and arrive at what you might call an E.African >> view/position on the various burning issues under CyberSecurity, Domain >> mngt, Infrastrucutre (e.g. undersea cable), Local Content, etc. >> >> walu. >> >> >> --- On Sun, 9/6/09, McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> From: McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Invitation: 2009 EA-IGF, 7-9 September 2009, >>> Nairobi, Kenya >>> To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com >>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 9:00 PM >>> Hi Vincent, >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Vincent Ngundi<vincent(a)kenic.or.ke> >>> wrote: >>> <snip> >>> > The expected outcome of this will be a framework that >>> ushers the region into >>> > the digital economy. The outcome will also be a >>> negotiating platform during >>> > the fourth United Nations Internet Governance Forum >>> (UN IGF) taking place in >>> > Sharm El-Sheikh, Egypt, in November 2009, >>> >>> Can you clarify this please? AFAIK, the IGF is NOT a >>> negotiating body. >>> >>> Our output could be an "input" for discussion, but there is >>> no process >>> or way to negotiate anything at the IGF (which has, after >>> all, no >>> "authority" to compel anyone to behave in a certain way). >>> >>> See you at the jacaranda tomorrow! >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> >>> McTim >>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where >>> it is. A >>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: jwalu(a)yahoo.com >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: solo.mburu(a)gmail.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/solo.mburu%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Solomon Mburu > P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi > Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 > > Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all > the same way to the side of a hill! > > AND > > It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity! > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: dogwallah(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dogwallah%40gmail.com > -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel

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Is private sector corruption more or equally dangerous to society?
by Gakuru Alex 05 Sep '09

05 Sep '09

Excuse the cross post... They usually "fixed" by engaging in CSR, but let's face it they too are corrupt. Get over it! In a country where everything gets soaked corrupted, even concept too become affected. Quite often, we excuse companies engaging in the vice as competitive and covert criminal spying/espionage ares overtly christened "business intelligence" With all the money at their disposal, do you think the companies are more dangerous for society or equally as bad? What about where they form alliances with public sector corruption to become public-private partners in crime against the people? could I have your views please?( directly or publicly) asante and regards, Alex

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Why Should Anyone Be Led by You?
by David Otwoma 04 Sep '09

04 Sep '09

Dear All, On Friday 18th September 2009 at KICC we (Association of Professional Societies in East Africa) shall be hosting one, (*Gareth Jones)* of the two authors of the best selling book titled "Why Should Anyone Be Led by You?" for a whole day at Kenyatta International Conference Centre. For those who want to debunk the four myths i.e. 1. *Everyone can be a leader. * 2. *Leaders deliver business results* *3. People who get to the top are leaders. 4. Leaders are great coaches. * *.....*you need not miss. See more at http://www.apsea.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=… For leaders who are challenged when confronted by clever people it is a must so as to cure you of your !!!!!!!!!!!!! complex. (note the 5 Cs) Have a great Furahi day all. Kind regards, David -- David Otwoma, Chief Science Secretary, National Council for Science and Technology, Utalii House 9th Floor, Mobile tel: +254 722 141771, Office tel: +254 (0)20 2346915, P. O. Box 5687 - 00100, Nairobi, Kenya email: otwomad(a)gmail.com & otwoma(a)ncst.go.ke www.ncst.go.ke

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Idea
by Rad! 03 Sep '09

03 Sep '09

Here's a thought. Most Kenyans labour under the mistaken impression that to succeed you have to do it using the one-big-deal-that-sorts-you-out-for-life. Not true. I wonder if Safaricom, Orange, Zain & Yu would consider setting up application portals -- something like the apple app store. Local developers would submit applications that would be vetted and if approved, availed on the portals for download to their customers. There would then be revenue share between developers and the telcos. Everyone wins. Jobs created. Innovation fostered. Telcos make money. Pipe dream?

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NCUC Press Release on Our Letter to ICANN
by Gakuru Alex 03 Sep '09

03 Sep '09

Dear all, As preparations for EA-IGF kicks off... I know Rod Beckstrom, the New President & CEO of ICANN listens to all Internet stakeholder thus I am inclined to believe that he will grant NCUC audience at Seoul, Korea Next month. He is conscious that the New gTLD Program - a substantial shift in the domain name system, requires very thorough consideration to ensure that all the sectors in the community participation, and all potential issues are understood and resolved before launch next year. The New gTLD are name-like, such as .coders, .network, .business, .kenya, .africa, etc. ICANN is further refining the next version of the Draft Applicant Guidebook that will explain how the New gTLD implementation will be done. I'll post a download link once it's ready. But most importantly, he is committed to the Internet community’s continuing participation to make the New gTLD Program enhance competition and choice for Internet users, broaden regional participation through the introduction of IDNs and community based TLDs, and protects the rights and interests of all. In view of the above, I am convinced that the below NCUC request will be granted a hearing. Sincerely, Alex Gakuru NCUC-Kenya, ICT Consumers Association of Kenya ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robin Gross <robin(a)ipjustice.org> Date: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:39 PM Subject: NCUC Press Release on Our Letter to ICANN To: NCUC-DISCUSS(a)listserv.syr.edu Dear All, Below is NCUC's press release regarding our letter to the ICANN Board of Directors and CEO. It is also posted to the NCUC website here. Please feel free to re-distribute it, blog it, re-post, translate, etc. the press release so we can have the widest possible distribution of our letter and the concerns it relays. Thanks, Robin NCUC Press Release FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 3 September 2009 Public Interest Groups in ICANN Appeal to New President For Fairer Treatment For Civil Society The organization that represents Non-Commercial Internet Users in the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) issued an open letter to the Board this week, expressing concern about the possible failure of ICANN's attempt to balance the representation of commercial and noncommercial interests. California (United States) – ICANN’s Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC), a group of 152 non-commercial organizations and individuals from 52 countries who represent the noncommercial interests of Internet users in ICANN policy development, recently appealed to ICANN's Board of Directors and CEO to meet with them in Seoul to resolve serious problems with its current plans to alter the representation of noncommercial interests in its policy making process. Specifically, NCUC’s letter expressed concern over ICANN’s adoption of a flawed charter for noncommercial users that disregarded the vast majority of public comments and concerns expressed by noncommercial Internet users. In late July 2009 ICANN’s Board decided to approve the NCSG charter drafted by ICANN staff, rather than the charter drafted by civil society in a 7-month long consensus process that included a wide variety of noncommercial interests and was submitted to ICANN’s Board by the NCUC. ICANN’s staff did not provide its board with the competing charter submitted by NCUC in order to properly inform the board’s decision. The difference between staff’s charter and civil society’s charter is stark. Staff’s charter ties council representation and resources to arbitrary and more easily manipulated constituencies, while the NCUC charter calls for stakeholder group wide elections of its noncommercial representatives and other leaders. NCUC’s charter model encourages consensus building among constituencies, while staff’s charter model encourages divisiveness and favoritism among noncommercial interests. “ICANN’s decision has resulted in significant damage to ICANN’s credibility within global civil society and has fueled further distrust towards ICANN’s decision making process,” said NCUC Chair Robin Gross. “Its treatment of noncommercial users in this instance has significantly called into question ICANN’s legitimacy to govern and its ability to protect the global public interest,” said Gross, Executive Director of digital rights group IP Justice, a NCUC member since 2004. The board’s adoption of the stakeholder group charter is part of ICANN’s ongoing effort to re-organize its Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO), which currently consists of 5 commercial constituencies and 1 non-commercial constituency, the NCUC. ICANN’s GNSO is responsible for developing policy recommendations that relate to Generic Top-Level Domains (GTLDs) or those domain names that end in .com, .net, .edu, and .org. The GNSO plays an important role on Internet-related policy issues since its recommendations affect all who own or use GTLDs, including the way domain names can be registered, used, transferred, and any applicable fees and associated policies regarding the domain names. The process of changing the GNSO’s structure from 6 constituencies to 4 stakeholder groups is expected to be complete by the end of October 2009. In its letter the NCUC states that “there is a misunderstanding over non-commercial representation and participation in ICANN” and NCUC calls on ICANN to acknowledge that there has been significant growth among noncommercial participants at ICANN recently. NCUC’s membership has grown by 240% since 2008 and now includes 75 noncommercial organizations and 77 individuals. An independent study by the London School of Economics verified that NCUC has the highest number of different people on the GNSO Council of any ICANN constituency and that NCUC has the most geographical diversity among its membership with members now from 52 different countries. “NCUC represents an extremely broad range of noncommercial Internet users, including educational and academic institutions, human rights organizations, libraries, consumer groups, religious organizations, bloggers, open source software developers, development-oriented groups, arts organizations, and other noncommercial interests,” explained Dr. Milton Mueller, an Internet governance expert. Dr. Mueller, now a professor at Syracuse University School of Information Studies and Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands, co-founded the constituency in 2002. "Nonprofits and public interest advocacy groups have an irreplaceable role to play in a self-regulatory scheme dominated by business interests. Someone has to look out for the public interest. If we handicap noncommercial voices and divide them into competing silos they simply won't be able to participate effectively. ICANN's legitimacy and the quality of its decisions will suffer," explained Dr. Mueller. In order to dispel pervasive myths about civil society’s role in ICANN, the NCUC published a “Top 10 Myths about Civil Society Participation in ICANN,” a document that explains why much of what ICANN staff and other constituencies have claimed about noncommercial participation is untrue. For additional information on NCUC and noncommercial participation in ICANN, please contact NCUC’s Chair Robin Gross or visit NCUC’s website at http://ncdnhc.org. Contact: Robin Gross, NCUC Chair Milton Mueller, NCUC Co-Founder Tel.: +1-415-553-6261 Tel: +1-315-443-5616 Email: robin – at - ipjustice.org Email: Mueller – at – syr.edu More Info: Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC): http://ncdnhc.org NCUC’s Letter to ICANN Board of Directors and CEO: http://ncdnhc.org/profiles/blogs/ncuc-letter-to-icann-board-of NCUC’s “Top 10 Myths About Civil Society Participation in ICANN”: http://ncdnhc.org/profiles/blogs/top-10-myths-about-civil About the Noncommercial Users Constituency: The NCUC is the home for civil society organizations and individuals in the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO). With real voting power in ICANN policy-making and Board selection, it develops and supports positions that favor non-commercial communication and activity on the Internet. The NCUC is open to non-commercial organizations and individuals involved in education, community networking, public policy advocacy, development, promotion of the arts, children's welfare, religion, consumer protection, scientific research, human rights and many other areas. NCUC maintains a public website at http://ncdnhc.org. ### IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin(a)ipjustice.org _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers

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Refurbs Debate
by Tom musili 03 Sep '09

03 Sep '09

Dear All, We at Computers for Schools Kenya have been very closely following the debate on "affordable" computers - particularly with reference to refurbs. Many of the comments are informed and no doubt well intentioned, but many others have left us wringing our hands in despair! CFSK has been working for the last seven years to bring the benefits of ICT to resource-challenged educational & training institutions and community information access & resource centres. At our foundation, based on objective and empirical research, we sought to design an intervention model that would meet the needs of the client group within their resource limitations without unduly compromising quality of access or service. After reviewing several options (details of which I will not go into), we narrowed down quality refurbs from reputable sources as the way to go. Our decision was informed by the following: Intervention models in other countries. We were particularly impressed by the Computers for Schools Canada Programme and a similar programme in Colombia and Chile - all of which had achieved immense success in taking computers to educational institutions and community information centres such as libraries. Though these three were the biggest such organised interventions virtually all other countries in the West as well as the Asian Tigers had similar programmes but on a smaller scale. ALL were utilising refurbs from the corporate and related sectors that of necessity have to stay right on the cutting edge of ICT, and therefore have available functional albeit older PCs available from time to time as they upgrade. The needs of the target groups and the use to which they were going to put the computers ands related accessories they would obtain through us. We established that the refurbs we were able to obtain would meet their requirements: run Windows, run MS Office Suite, run the educational eContent available, and access the Internet where other requisite infrastructure was in place. Functionality of the equipment. CFSK was able to enter into partnerships with reputable organisations overseas that guaranteed that only quality and fully functional refurbs were imported by us. Working with these partners, we have over time revised the minimum specs for such equipment that we will accept - starting off with PIs when we started off in 2002 to our present day minimum of PIVs with at least 256MB of RAM and 20GB HDD. As part of that process, we even anticipate that from the second quarter of next year, we shall only accept TFT and not CRT monitors. Affordability, which we very deliberately put last. All listers will remember that it is only in the last four to five years that the Government has made substantive budgetary allocations for ICTs in the kinds of institutions I am talking about and very wisely too. In 2002 when we started, money for ICTs had to be raised by the institutional community from their meagre resources or from corporate and other donors. And even the allocations now being made by Government to these institutions, generous as they may be amidst all the other pressing needs, are not enough to saturate them with ICTs at the required level. Refurbs offered and still offer an affordable option that gives good value for money. To allege that refurbs constitute dumping is to be simplistic to a fault. Where the refurbs are not functional, do not meet the needs of the recipients, or are not good value for money, then that would be dumping - and it maybe that a certain amount of this is happening. But to condemn refurbs en masse, is to fail to acknowledge that this country's nascent digital revolution is as a result of these much maligned equipment - not outrageously priced brand new equipment. At CFSK we are for quality, and preferably new, computers. Admittedly, it would be lovely to provide all our institutions with ultra-modern 2.0GHz Duo Core computers with 2GB RAM and 200GB on the HDD, etc. And where they can afford them, especially with the Government's very welcome intervention in allocating resources for the purpose, we are glad to help them acquire quality brand new equipment. However, where an institution has limited resources, we must ask the questions: do they NEED the immense capacity that brand new computers at current "standard" specs provide, and should they expend limited resources on such capacity when they may in fact not need it? Being cognizant of the fact that ALL electronics, new and refurbished, ultimately become eWaste, CFSK working with both local and international partners has established and eWaste Management Centre. This Centre, through innovative disassembly, reuse, recycling and re-export is managing ICT-related eWaste in a manner that is protective of the environment and mindful of public health. Up-scaling and out-scaling initiatives such as this will ensure we are all protected from the hazards of electronic waste, including that which begun its life as brand new equipment. Eltimately, as one of the listers very wisely suggested, what is required is a level-headed consultation amongst ALL stake holders - civil society, commercial enterprises, a sampling of end users and the regulatory authorities - with a view to defining a rational policy in this area that advances rather than stunts the pivotal sector. We would be ardent participants. Thank you, Tom Musili Executive Director -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computers for Schools Kenya Semco Business Park | Unit 1, Mombasa Road | P.O. Box 48584-00100 | Nairobi , Kenya | Tel:254(0)202060919, Tel/Fax: 254 (0)20 2060920 Mobile (0)722-618788|Email:[email protected]|Website: www.cfsk.org

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Fw: NEPAD ICT Africa Summit 2010
by Matunda Nyanchama 02 Sep '09

02 Sep '09

FYI From: charlainev(a)ikapamedia.co.za To: charlainev(a)ikapamedia.co.za Subject: NEPAD ICT Africa Summit 2010 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:40:51 +0200 NEPAD ICT AFRICA SUMMIT 2010 Scheduled for 9th – 11th February 2010 Cape Town International Convention Centre, Cape Town, South Africa NEPAD ICT Africa Summit 2010 is a NEPAD Council and NEPAD Secretariat continental Information and Communications Technologies (ICT) event addressing a wide range of ICT issues in Africa. Building on the successes of the last three NEPAD ICT Africa Summits, NEPAD Council together with the NEPAD Secretariat and African Events Company iKapa Media and partners, will again raise flags to organize the NEPAD ICT Africa Summit, indeed making it possible for suppliers to meet ICT decision makers of the continent at one location and, furthermore to show competence by making a professional presentation in accordance with international standards. Over 2000 high level delegates and 350 exhibitors will take part in a well placed agenda which will include plenary sessions, thematic breakaway sessions and one-to-one business meetings between participants and NEPAD ICT Africa Summit 2010 exhibitors. Key Objectives: NEPAD ICT Africa Summit aims to mobilize the key stakeholders and actors in the ICT sector including: · Stakeholders in Information Systems: Health, Community, Government and Business Informatics · Communication and Technology systems: Broadcasters, Telecommunications, Internet, Software and Hardware NEPAD ICT Africa Summit 2010 aims at promoting and supporting business opportunities in the sector of Information and Communication Technologies (ICT) in order to encourage further growth and development in African countries. Africa needs this summit now. The successful execution of the programme will require the mobilisation of a broad spectrum of resourceful actors and stakeholders both in Africa and the rest of the world. It is going to be a wonderful experience hosting an event of such a magnitude on South African soil and we will be more than satisfied to receive your endorsement and support. Your collaboration and partnership will definitely take the ICT agenda to greater heights in terms of its focus as well as its depth.We are committed to creating platforms that bring about economic development for the continent. With such a vision, the company has been working with various stakeholders and economic development practitioners in Africa in identifying critical areas that require further engagement to fast track the continents economic development,ICT is one of these critical components. In this regard, NEPAD Council and its partners wish to invite you and members of your organization to participate in the summit and to use the opportunity to showcase your business. In addition, you can co-operate with us during NEPAD ICT Africa Summit 2010 in any of the following ways: Plenary session:-Participate in a plenary session of interest to your firm/agency. Sponsorship:- NEPAD ICT Africa Summit will give you an opportunity for your organization to increase your visibility/awareness by making your name and corporate logo visible to the entire target audience before, during and after the summit. Specialized trade fair & exhibition:-You have the possibility of participating at the planned specialized exhibition. This will be a unique platform for your organisation to promote your services and network with the right target group and a highly focused audience. Delegate:- You can participate as a delegate attending the summit on behalf of your respective institutions or individually. Delegates are given the opportunity to participate at one of the breakaway sessions, and contribute to various discussions. Please find the attached relevant information pertaining to the summit for your reference and to find out more about our sponsorship and participation packages please contact the undersigned. Kind regards, Charlaine van der Byl Project Manager Tel: +27 21 802 1191 Mobile: +27 73 037 8115 Fax: +27 86 564 7906 Email: charlainev(a)ikapamedia.co.za registration(a)ictafricasummit.co.za Website: www.ictafricasummit.co.za Skype: charlyvdb1

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Kenya IGF Meeting
by John K. Njoroge 02 Sep '09

02 Sep '09

Dear All@Kictanet: Yesterday, I learnt alot at the Kenya IGF meeting. As a young youth, I desire to be an IG Actor for Kenya, East Africa and Africa as a whole (if not globally). So, I thank the organizers for a well-organized meeting and a team that is really forward thinking and ready to join a Global Cause. As one of ISOC Ambassadors to the 4th IGF meeting in Egypt (representing Kenya), I salute and congratulate all of you at Kictanet and further, I encourage you to keep on keeping on and to keep up with the good work: Alice, Walubengo, Dr. Kerretts, Vincent and especially the CCK Chairman as well as our ICT MP and Chair of the Energy and ICTs Committee in Parliament. The future is bright, and the best is yet to come. Thank you very much. Kind regards -- John K. Njoroge Directorate of e-Government Office of the President Tel: 020-2227411 (Ext 22098) 0721962744/0770121699 Other Email: kabogojn(a)kenya.go.ke; john.njoroge(a)e-government.go.ke; kabogojn(a)hotmail.com

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Re: [kictanet] Internet Governance
by Jane Kagiri 02 Sep '09

02 Sep '09

Hallo, Please help me understand,when we discuss Internet Policy making in the context of Internet Governance what are we exactly refering to? Is it governance on domain names,intelectual property rights,root server management,internet security,spam or is it all the above. This is also in connection to what issues will be up for discussion at the EAIGF to be held from 7-9 September 2009? Where do I register to attend the EAIGF conference? Jane Kagiri Catritone Office Solutions

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