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Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal
by wesley kirinya 04 Jan '10

04 Jan '10

The solutions exists. I briefly listened to a panel on KTN/NTV the morning the results were being released and they seemed to have the solutions. The panel was composed of education experts and people who have researched (and written papers) in the problems plaguing our educational system. The panel said the issue is implementation. If we start going into this implementation issue we will open a can of worms. We would have to start another mail list for education issues! --- On Sun, 1/3/10, DAI <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> wrote: From: DAI <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal To: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke, "wesley kirinya" <kiriinya2000(a)yahoo.com> Cc: "Skunk Works" <skunkworks(a)my.co.ke>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 3:04 PM Dear Dr. Ndemo, Wesley, Skunk Works and all, We will take up this topic in our January issue 2010 of Digital Age Journal. Our theme is Career, and since the career for almost 100% of humans starts in primary school, I would appreciate if you and others could maybe start analyzing the problem - just right here - then we could maybe have a meeting discussing what we shall do. I am so much in agreement with the statement that citizens complain too much. We as citizens and business owners in Kenya shall promote, strengthen, propose solutions, and put our beard in the drawer together with our own proposals !! I mean - we shall propose solutions, but we shall then also back up our own solutions with action. Churchill said this very clearly: Ask not what the country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country... We shall promote, support, backup our governments positive efforts, instead of electing the wrong politicians and then complain when it goes all wrong. I have a profound attitude in life that if you are dissatisfied with something, then of course you should mention it, but never without taking responsibility for implementing a solution. There is always a way !! If you for some reason end up working with someone who cannot see further than to their own pocket - then just drop working with them... There will always be someone you can work with, who see the light - or whom even are the candle-holders themselves. Look at it from this side here: Yes, there is corruption in Kenya. But darn. There is corruption everywhere in the world. I am from Denmark, one of the so called least corrupt nations. Let me tell you - there is corruption there too !! It has just been hidden much better - thats all. In stead of dwelling on that maybe 20% of your tax revenue goes to corruption - then dwell on that 80% then goes to the right things !!!!! I propose that you send me an e-mail with your name and mobile. Send it to: primaryIT(a)digitalageinstitute.com and sign up for a meeting where we are going to discuss and take the Primary School Education - focused on IT - a step further - and take up that debate. If the contributions are serious, we will print a multi page article about this in our January issue !! I would expect to call the meeting to order on January 18th, 2010 on our location. Write about what you want to contribute with on the meeting. Kind regards Digital Age Institute Ltd. David Svarrer ----- Original Message ----- From: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke To: wesley kirinya Cc: Skunk Works ; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions ; ke-users Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal Dear Wesley, No one should fail an exam because we have nowhere to take them if they passed. Already we have B grade students who are not getting into Universiry. Every year we get similar concerns but no one has ever asked if indeed we need KCPE exams. To date I do not know the objective of this exam. If our promlem just like everybody else is literacy, then we only need the KCSE exams. The assumption here is that by the time someone sits for KCSE, they would be literate and mature enough to consider options. At KCPE level, I am afraid we keep on increasing our illiteracy levels the moment 250,000 fail to proceed further. In my view we all have failed to analyse this problem objectively. Media keeps on reporting but not analysing the problems. Citizens continue to complain and not making proposals to the Government. The KNUT, parents, politicians have subjected the Ministry into crisis mode instead of reforming the sector. KNUT knows that at least one third of teacheers in Primary Public Schools cannot pass or did not pass KCPE. Then we ask why Private Schools perform better? Ndemo. > I'm concerned about the hundreds of thousands of students that will miss > high school. Last year 250,000 missed it. Over a five year period, this > adds up to more than a million, in a country whose population is about 40 > million! > > Out of those who go to high school, only a handful end up in university. > Someone should do a sturdy on the loss to our economy. The government > spends lots on money to educate 250,000 people annually who will not get > to high school. With our current systems, most of these 250,000 will not > get descent employment/stable sources of income. Most of them come from > rural areas, which are the areas that need serious development and skilled > man-power to drive the development. If I opened a branch of my company in > some rural area of Kenya, who will I employ? Even if I employ some people, > they would be threatened by the Mungiki-types (children who join gangs in > order to extort money) > > We need every child in Kenya, willing to go to school, to be able to > archieve at least Diploma level. Without that, we should forget vision > 2030 and competing with India and other Asian countries! The Chinese will > continue building our roads, as Kenyans sweep them with brooms, not even > specialized machines! > > I would like to bring in a different perspective as to the low > performance, which someone mentioned as seriously wrong. What would happen > if most students passed their exams, especially now with record numbers > enrolling in schools? Where will they go? You would have students with B > grades missing high school. That would be a great embrassment to > goverment. > > If money is available to buy fleets of new cars (which dont really add to > our GDP), surely there should be money for better quality of education for > our children (which definately adds to our GDP). > > This is a national disaster. > > O~( > > > --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Akich Kwach <kwach(a)archway-productions.com> wrote: > > From: Akich Kwach <kwach(a)archway-productions.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal > To: kiriinya2000(a)yahoo.com > Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:39 AM > > Gentlemen, > Thanks for sharing your concerns. I would agree with MM and Zachary > because KNEC ought to have known every candidate and parents would be > interested in getting their results at the earliest hour and should have > tested the system's capacity ahead of time. It is sad upto this hour, I > spent on SMS three times and no reply yet. If such trends continue, the > ICT investments might just be a wate of public funds and citizens might > lose faith in the so called e-Govt. I would humbly request the PS, Dr > Bitange and the ICT Board to intervene and find out what transpired at the > KNEC system. > > For the parents who had 2009 candidates, I am concerned with the general > national perfomance taking into account that subjects such as SST where > candidates usually score high marks recorded poor performance, something > is not right somewhere. > > WISHING YOU A HAPPY 2010 > > Akich Kwach > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mureithi" > <mureithi(a)summitstrategies.co.ke> > To: <kwach(a)archway-productions.com> > Cc: <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:43 PM > Subject: Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal > > >> Thanks barrack >> For the candidate and their family they interacted with the ict system >> and the interface was the sms and the web. We should not hide behind >> huge traffic because the phenomena and the time is known and the >> implications. >> Another terrible failure is that i and many thousands kenyans paid >> upfront to the ict system for a service that was not delivered >> >> >> ____________ >> Muriuki Mureithi >> Summit Strategies Ltd sent from cellphone >> >> ________________ Reply Header ________________ >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal >> Author: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> >> Date: 29th December 2009 12:51 >> >> MM, >> >> I guess it's a bit premature to blame the System, the problem stems from >> how >> the whole announcement was managed, it was improper for the Ministers >> handlers to say the results would be available on the site immediately >> after >> the speech, with the anxiety that had been going on i'm sure even the >> best >> servers might not have handled the hits, no wonder the systems were >> unable >> to cope, however this serves as a lesson to KNEC, i am sure they will do >> better in 2010. >> >> Happy New Year ! >> >> On 12/29/09, mureithi <mureithi(a)summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>> Zachary >>> This was the great opportunity for the ict system to prove its value to >>> our >>> society. It failed miserably to just serve less than 1 percent of the >>> population and had to walk to schools. Zain however stood tall and 2228 >>> worked. >>> ____________ >>> Muriuki Mureithi >>> Summit Strategies Ltd sent from cellphone >>> >>> ________________ Reply Header ________________ >>> Subject: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal >>> Author: Zachary Ochieng <zzachmbir(a)yahoo.com> >>> Date: 29th December 2009 09:59 >>> >>> >>> Despite the digitisation of exam results by the Kenya National >>> Examinations Council (KNEC) and the Ministry of Education, the platform >>> doesn't seem to be working. My daughter is one of the candidates who >>> sat >>> KCPE in November 2009. But more than two hours after the release of the >>> results by Education minister Sam Ongeri, the KNEC website from where >>> the >>> candidates are supposed to check their results remains down. Worse >>> still, >>> the 2228 no. to which candidates should text their index numbers to get >>> results is also not working but continues to consume airtime to the >>> tune of >>> Ksh 20 per SMS. If this is not a rip off, then I don't know the >>> definition, >>> coming as it does at a time when the ministry is reeling from a theft >>> scandal. >>> >>> One wonders what else the ministry could be hiding. While announcing >>> the >>> top candidates, Ongeri never mentioned the names of their schools. But >>> it is >>> anyone's guess that majority of them are from private schools. Rather >>> than >>> bash the media as he did during the release of the results, Ongeri >>> should >>> tell us what is bedevilling FPE. >>> >>> Can someone please help? MY daughter has refused to take lunch until >>> she >>> gets her results. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Be the change you want to see in the world. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: mureithi(a)summitstrategies.co.ke >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mureithi%40summitstrat… >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail… >>> >> >> >> >> -- Barrack O. Otieno >> Administrative Manager >> Afriregister Ltd (Ke) >> P.o.Box 21682 >> Nairobi 00100 >> Tel: >> +254721325277 >> +254733206359 >> +254202498789 >> Riara Road, Bamboo Lane >> www.afriregister.com >> www.afriregister.co.ke >> ICANN accredited registrar. >> Skype: barrack.otieno >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: kwach(a)archway-productions.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kwach%40archway-produc… > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: kiriinya2000(a)yahoo.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kiriinya2000%40yahoo.c… > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers

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@ 2010 ICT Hall of Fame
by Barrack Otieno 02 Jan '10

02 Jan '10

Distinguished listers Ladies and Gentlemen Happy New Year ! I woke up this morning singing the National Anthem and i want to imagine it will be a great year for this Nation, in particular the words "May we dwell in Unity Peace and Liberty", really tickled my consience. That aside, i attended last years annual ICT awards organised by the Computer Society of Kenya, during the function , the ICT hall of fame was introduced and Messrs George Okado, Engineer James Rege, Njeri Rionge and the Late Dr Juma Aketch were honored, however i noticed a number of eminent persons in the ICT sector and listers were absent for whatever reasons and as a result this brethren (Permit me to use this terminology because of my faith) were not given due recognition. On another note i saw Mr Atwoli making a declaration on TV that some athletes should be given state commendation and it happened, i was surprised because there are men and women who have transformed this nation through technology and have inspired many yet they have not received this state commendation, i need correction if i am wrong. My request is that by the end of this year we need to see names like Michael Joseph MBS, Njeri Rinoge MBS, George Okado, Alex Gakuru, Dr Ndemo, Walu if this means collecting one million signatures then we should start now. this will inspire many Kenyans who are still in school. Let us put aside all sectarian interests an unite in celebrating our very own achievers as opposed to doing them as sideshows which makes the events look ordinary Blessings -- Barrack O. Otieno Administrative Manager Afriregister Ltd (Ke) P.o.Box 21682 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254721325277 +254733206359 +254202498789 Riara Road, Bamboo Lane www.afriregister.com www.afriregister.co.ke ICANN accredited registrar. Skype: barrack.otieno

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Fwd: Kenyan GIS project with postal data complete!!!!
by warigia bowman 01 Jan '10

01 Jan '10

Dear colleagues Here is some work I did. It is based on raw data provided to me in 2007 by the Ministry of Information, Your comments are welcome. If you use this, please attribute it to me. Rigia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: warigia bowman <warigia(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:09 AM Subject: Fwd: Kenyan GIS project with postal data complete!!!! To: Steven Levitsky <levitsky(a)wcfia.harvard.edu> Dear Steve Thank you for our talk yesterday. It was very helpful and I learned a lot. Here is my GIS work on Kenya. It is just a nice 'quantitative confirmation' of some of my intuitive insights which we discussed. Please do not circulate the maps, as this is the first time this data has been processed in this way, and I do not want to release them until I can figure out how to publish this in some format. The reason is that people in Africa are not very sensitive to intellectual property and plagiarize pretty freely. I will get you a schedule for my dissertation completion sometime today. Sincerely, Rigia -- Dr. Warigia Bowman Assistant Professor The Department of Public Policy Leadership The University of Mississippi 107 Odom Hall University, MS 38677 URL: http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/leadership/index.html PHONE: 662-915-1904 EMAIL: mwbowman(a)olemiss.edu

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On the role of govt
by Matunda Nyanchama 31 Dec '09

31 Dec '09

Friends/Colleagues, On recent comments on the role of government, I have this to say: I think it should be an enabler through creation and enforcement (regulation) of policies intended towards desired outcomes. We also need good laws, a sound justice system (fair and speedy) to deal with disputes; the people need to be aware of their roles, rights and the need to challenge their potential. Recently I was asked to address youth in my Nyamira home. My speech (click on this link) focused on empowerment and harnessing the collective potential. And that as much as government has been a jobs provider in the past, it cannot meaningfully be everyone's employer! ---- On the topic of examination dropouts, there is a serious need to focus on this lot. Our education system has this "pass points" at which the majority fall off and the system forgets about them. The need for tertiary training has never been greater - more village polytechnics, more mid-level colleges (polytechnics) and then universities. Past instances of gutting polytechnics to give way for universities have done great injustice to the education system and many young people in the country. ----- Finally, on the issue of roads and accidents; looks like we take a step forward and several back. I re-read an essay I wrote back in the 1990s and was surprised how many things remain the same! Driver and public transporter owner education is paramount! This is especually so with respect to fatigue. Drivers in Kenya don't get enough rest before embarking on the next trip; and because the owner would like to maximize gains. Happy New 2010 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.”- George Bernard Shaw ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.

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Enquiry on Digital Broadcasting
by Brian Munyao Longwe 30 Dec '09

30 Dec '09

from keziodk(a)yahoo.com My name is Kezio-Musoke David. I am a journalist with the Nation Media Grou= p based in Nairobi. I actually cover Burundi and Rwanda and other parts of = the great lakes region. I am working on a story to do with broadcasting mov= ement from Analogue=C2=A0 to Digital and i am looking for information to un= derstand the issue better.=20 1. What does it mean to move from analogue to digital for TV? 2. What are the benefits for that? Is DSTv digital or analogue? 3. Is it a preriquisite by ITU to move to digital? 4. I understand their is a target for African TV stations to move to digita= l. Why and when is the target?=20 5. I also understand East Africa as in (EAC) has set a stardard to have all= TVs move to digital earlier than the ITU target. Any information on this w= ill be appreciated .... 6. If you are in East Africa which of your TV stations are digital? Here in= Rwanda RTV is moving digital by next year. Nation TV was denied a license = to operate in Kigali because of its analogue platform yet it operates in Ka= mpala and Nairobi NB: This information will be used in an article which will appear in the e-= African section of the East African. I will credit anyone who doesnt mind .= ...=20 Kezio-Musoke David Journalist NMG Musoke-Kezio David, ICT journo,=C2=A0Visual artist, Creative writer.=C2=A0 GSM: +256-772-5308749(Uganda), +250-08865917(Rwanda)=C2=A0 BLOGGER: http://= africanict.blogspot.com, http://kezio-musoke.blogspot.com -- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe(a)gmail.com cell: + 254 722 518 744 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com

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The benefits of going East?
by Zachary Ochieng 30 Dec '09

30 Dec '09

FYI The benefits of going East? http://www.cio.co.ke/index.php/view-all-main-stories/468-chinese-gear-boost… Happy New Year. Zachary. --- Be the change you want to see in the world.

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Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal
by mureithi 29 Dec '09

29 Dec '09

Zachary This was the great opportunity for the ict system to prove its value to our society. It failed miserably to just serve less than 1 percent of the population and had to walk to schools. Zain however stood tall and 2228 worked. ____________ Muriuki Mureithi Summit Strategies Ltd sent from cellphone ________________ Reply Header ________________ Subject: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal Author: Zachary Ochieng <zzachmbir(a)yahoo.com> Date: 29th December 2009 09:59 Despite the digitisation of exam results by the Kenya National Examinations Council (KNEC) and the Ministry of Education, the platform doesn't seem to be working. My daughter is one of the candidates who sat KCPE in November 2009. But more than two hours after the release of the results by Education minister Sam Ongeri, the KNEC website from where the candidates are supposed to check their results remains down. Worse still, the 2228 no. to which candidates should text their index numbers to get results is also not working but continues to consume airtime to the tune of Ksh 20 per SMS. If this is not a rip off, then I don't know the definition, coming as it does at a time when the ministry is reeling from a theft scandal. One wonders what else the ministry could be hiding. While announcing the top candidates, Ongeri never mentioned the names of their schools. But it is anyone's guess that majority of them are from private schools. Rather than bash the media as he did during the release of the results, Ongeri should tell us what is bedevilling FPE. Can someone please help? MY daughter has refused to take lunch until she gets her results. --- Be the change you want to see in the world. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: mureithi(a)summitstrategies.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mureithi%40summitstrat…

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Tanzania extends SIM registration period
by Harry Hare 29 Dec '09

29 Dec '09

FYI http://www.cio.co.ke/index.php/view-all-top-stories/467-tanzania-postponds-s im-card-registration-deadline.html Kindest Regards Harry African eDevelopment Resource Centre eDevelopment House : : 604 Limuru Road Old Muthaiga : : P O Box 49475 00100 Nairobi : : Kenya T +254 20 3741646/7 : : C +254 725 650044 Training : : Research: :Consultancy: : Publishing

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KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal
by Zachary Ochieng 29 Dec '09

29 Dec '09

Despite the digitisation of exam results by the Kenya National Examinations Council (KNEC) and the Ministry of Education, the platform doesn't seem to be working. My daughter is one of the candidates who sat KCPE in November 2009. But more than two hours after the release of the results by Education minister Sam Ongeri, the KNEC website from where the candidates are supposed to check their results remains down. Worse still, the 2228 no. to which candidates should text their index numbers to get results is also not working but continues to consume airtime to the tune of Ksh 20 per SMS. If this is not a rip off, then I don't know the definition, coming as it does at a time when the ministry is reeling from a theft scandal. One wonders what else the ministry could be hiding. While announcing the top candidates, Ongeri never mentioned the names of their schools. But it is anyone's guess that majority of them are from private schools. Rather than bash the media as he did during the release of the results, Ongeri should tell us what is bedevilling FPE. Can someone please help? MY daughter has refused to take lunch until she gets her results. --- Be the change you want to see in the world.

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Re: [kictanet] State Wrong on Internet Exchange Point , is it true
by gachuhi anthony 28 Dec '09

28 Dec '09

Emmanuel, i think Barack is on KIXP and not kenic. Kenic = domains , Kixp = exchange point internal bgsp or sharing of local traffic. regards Anthony On Sun, Dec 28, 1986 at 6:11 PM, Emmanuel Khisa <Emmanuel.khisa(a)kadet.co.ke>wrote: > I agree with Barrack on this one… I wonder wouldn’t it make more prudent > sense to liberalise (away from the current Kenic monopoly) the Kenya ccTLD > and have it open to other entrepreneurs? I am not sure there is any reason > why a cartel should retain the right to run this critical resource at the > expense of other Kenyans. Is it just me or someone else also sees the > illogic of charging Ksh. 3000 for a domain in an era where other domain > names are available for as little as Ksh.500. I know this has been said in > this forum but isn’t it time action was taken…Dr. PS? > > > > I believe this would make more sense than to have duplication of Exchange > points at the expense of the taxpayers…Someone enlighten this forum. > > > > Regards, > > > > Oloo Khisa. > > > > *From:* kictanet-bounces+emmanuel.khisa=kadet.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: > kictanet-bounces+emmanuel.khisa <kictanet-bounces%2Bemmanuel.khisa>= > kadet.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Barrack Otieno > *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2009 5:37 PM > *To:* emmanuel.khisa(a)kadet.co.ke > *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > *Subject:* [kictanet] State Wrong on Internet Exchange Point , is it true > > > > Listers, > > I was going through an article in the East African standard with the above > mentioned title by the CEO of KIXP published on Sunday Dec 2009 in the > East African Standard, am wondering is there a business case other than the > security considerations highlighted that justifies the GIXP and if we could > be allowed to access it or is it classified info?, in addition the writer > has mentioned the Strengths of KIXP however i would also appreciate to know > the weaknesses since they might justify the need for GIXP bearing in mind > the fact that we are just coming out of the woods in so far as monopolies > are concerned as i try to digest the article in any case having gone through > http://www.bgp4.as/internet-exchanges it is evident there are a few > developed countries with more that one Exchange point eg South Africa , the > US, Sweden, Singapore, Russia and the UK, somebody educate me. > > Regards > > -- > Barrack O. Otieno > Administrative Manager > Afriregister Ltd (Ke) > P.o.Box 21682 > Nairobi 00100 > Tel: > +254721325277 > +254733206359 > +254202498789 > Riara Road, Bamboo Lane > www.afriregister.com > www.afriregister.co.ke > ICANN accredited registrar. > Skype: barrack.otieno > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: gachuhi.anthony(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/gachuhi.anthony%40gmai… > >

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Re: [kictanet] merry xmas and great new year @2010 Not Yet Uhuru
by Barrack Otieno 27 Dec '09

27 Dec '09

I have read through the comments and still feel it is not yet time to celebrate, what we have simply done in the year 2009 is to build buses (Policies, Infrastructure , Strategies) however Kenyans are still walking on foot and hurting their toes as a result since they havent seen the difference this buses will make in their lives. Many gains have been made but they still don't resonate with the common man for instance *why are accidents still maiming Kenyans whereas we can use ICT's to curb them significantly through* CCTV's and other technologies (refer to Kwa Zulu Natal SA), *why is the corruption index still high whereas we can use ICT's to significantly reduce* *corruption*, *why is access to treatment a challenge whereas telemedicine is a reality,* *why is education expensive whereas e-learning is a reality* we continue to witness Petty fights among stakeholders whereas there are *REAL* issues that must be addressed we need to shun this culture and cooperate if we are to achieve more, if ICT cannot contribute to Socio-economic liberation, *then it is not worth it,* for those who were hitting hard continue with the same spirit mediocrity should not be tolerated, for the Peacemakers, be blessed in the year 2010 and continue with that spirit. On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 1:20 PM, James Rege <james.rege(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I want to take this opportunity to wish everyone in the sector a Merry > Christmas and a prosperous New Year. 2009 was indeed a good year for the > sector - the 4 big ICT operators finally got to settle and hopefully we will > begin to c some cost savings. The 2 undersea cables finally arrived and > therefore we can now access the net at higher speeds. Members xchanged bad n > good ideas but finally there was a solemn settlement. God bless us all. > Hon. James Rege. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 24, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Lucy Kimani <lkimani(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Walu, > > Amen to that! > > Although you need some gender training:-) aka > > Alice Munyua. For creating the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) List! > Gilda Odera. Director of Skyweb, Trailbraizing the ISP space > Dorcas Muthoni. Receiving the Anita Borg Change Agent Award from the Anita > Borg Institute for Women and Technology. > Catherine Adeya. Chairperson of Kenya BPO and Contact Centre Association > > etc... > > > Here is wishing one and all a Merry Christmas & a prosperous 2010 > not only full of jobs & wealth creation for all Kenyans, but also with a > GOK/Private Sector committed to outsourcing, and content creation! > > > > > Walu's Famous Heros List... > > (Govt) Dr.Ndemo - for having the thick skin to survive yet another year on > the list, > (Media) D. Makali - for sparing no bullets whenever media was mentioned > (Academia) Prof. Waema, for joining in 5yrs late, but trying to make up > (Private Sector), MJ, love him or hate him Safcom is here to stay > (Regulator), ?? this one is still open, maybe Alice may wish take it? > (Consumer) Alex G. yeah, for being very aggressive where consumers are > being harassed > (Tech-Community) Either Rad! or Yawe. Both for being extremely witty, > precise and deadly. > (Parliament), Rege, Hon, MP, Eng, for paving the way that showed that > inded Govt and the public can mix on fairly equal footing. After all, WE are > Government. > (the rest) for being faithful and silent readers of the many postings, > good and bad. > > Merry Xmas and prosperous 2010. > > walu > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: <james.rege(a)gmail.com>james.rege(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/james.rege%40gmail.com> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/james.rege%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail… > > -- Barrack O. Otieno Administrative Manager Afriregister Ltd (Ke) P.o.Box 21682 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254721325277 +254733206359 +254202498789 Riara Road, Bamboo Lane www.afriregister.com www.afriregister.co.ke ICANN accredited registrar. Skype: barrack.otieno

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Fw: resume
by Zachary Ochieng 26 Dec '09

26 Dec '09

Dear all, There is a young man here looking for a job. Kindly assist him. Thanks. Zachary. --- Be the change you want to see in the world. --- On Fri, 25/12/09, James <okechjr(a)gmail.com> wrote: From: James <okechjr(a)gmail.com> Subject: resume To: "Zachary Ochieng" <zzachmbir(a)yahoo.com> Date: Friday, 25 December, 2009, 19:11 Pls find attached resume Kind Regards, JM Okech

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Re: [kictanet] resume
by Zachary Ochieng 25 Dec '09

25 Dec '09

Dear listers, Anybody interested in working with this gentleman? Kindly contact me off the list or contact him directly. Happy holidays. Kind regards, Zachary. --- Be the change you want to see in the world. --- On Fri, 25/12/09, James <okechjr(a)gmail.com> wrote: From: James <okechjr(a)gmail.com> Subject: resume To: "Zachary Ochieng" <zzachmbir(a)yahoo.com> Date: Friday, 25 December, 2009, 19:11 Pls find attached resume Kind Regards, JM Okech

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merry xmas and great new year @2010
by muriuki mureithi 25 Dec '09

25 Dec '09

Hi The year 2009 came in fast and furious - am sure you still remember KCA amendment and the dust it blew on 2nd Jan 2009 ---- Yes the year is going and shortly will be history. In that history - we , the ICT community , and of course the kictanet community has participated in the writing( or is it reading) that history . in 2009 we recognised convergence, brought in electronic transactions framework , more importantly more bandwidth than we know how to use it and took a major step to show Africa the way towards digital broadcasting , coordination efforts in international fora e.g. IGF, ICANN and on and on-----. A lot or this was conceived , discussed , killed , resurrected , critiqued , on the kictanet platform. The greatest value of the list is the perspective of the vigorous participation on the list or off the list . from a very high level government perspective in govt led by PS Dr Ndemo , ICT industry captains led by their CEOs, regulators , techies , policy makers , the media , consultants, the academia, consumer experts, students, development partners , users etc . Once again KICTANET list lived to its promise - a platform to talk /share even if we do not necessary agree. The message coming out is Kenya is on the verge of take-off in 2010- we expect to see more in BPO industry , more activity on local content both in the internet and broadcasting , more effort to bridge the digital divide in our rural areas and of course realisation of the promise of much much cheaper bandwidth to the consumer and of course a very successful ICANN in March 2010 With such activity in 2009 it was only appropriate to close the year with a visit of one Sir Tim Berners-Lee the inventor of the www. We are moving, KICTANET's new year resolution is to bring the inventor of the internet here early in 2010 With that context this is to wish you much love, light and merriment over the festive celebrations ahead! May you thoroughly enjoy yourself, and feel the love, bounty, joy and abundance that is who you are! May you also find time to be at peace with yourself in stillness, and to reflect and experience more of the beauty of your heart. In these quieter times may you receive and seed luminous dreams and wondrous futures, and experience more of the love and truth of your being. Cheers Muriuki Mureithi (MM)

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Happy Holidays
by Matunda Nyanchama 25 Dec '09

25 Dec '09

Agano Consulting Inc 1011 Upper Middle Road East, Suite 1124 Oakville, Ontario, Canada L6H 5Z9 E-mail: info(a)aganoconsulting.com Our Promise: We Deliver Happy Holidays Wishing you the best of the Season and all the Success of the New Year. We thank you for your support through this year; You have been part of our journey and success in 2009. Over the next year we hope to build upon these successes to attain even higher levels of achievement; and you will be part of that voyage. Be in Touch! Stay in touch with us @ www.aganoconsulting.com & info(a)aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc IT Services Expertise … ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.”- George Bernard Shaw ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.

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JKIA Landing light fail, again!
by robert yawe 23 Dec '09

23 Dec '09

We need to privatize JKIA, KAA has proven beyond reasonable doubt that they are unable to manage the airports. It is becoming a bad joke when the airport landing lights have failed 3 times in the past 3 weeks. It is interesting how KAA casually say that that there will be no night flats in & out of JKIA do they understand that that is 2/3 of the airports flight traffic. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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Fwd: VACANCY: FOSS Certification Manager for the project ICT@INNOVATION
by Dorcas Muthoni 18 Dec '09

18 Dec '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <george.nyambuya(a)inwent.co.za> Date: Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:22 PM Subject: VACANCY: FOSS Certification Manager for the project ICT@INNOVATION To: Dear ict@innovation members, dear friends, FOSSFA and InWEnt are pleased to announce the vacancy for the "FOSS Certification Manager for ict@innovation". TERM Initial contract from 15/2/2010-31/12/2010, renewable RESPONSIBILITIES Plan and implement the ict@innovation programme activities on FOSS certification and achieve the ict@innovation Pillar B programme targets; Work toward a long term strategy for spreading FOSS certification throughout Africa; In collaboration with global certification entities, and in consultation with FOSSFA members and project partners, compile and make available the needed training materials for key FOSS certificates APPLICATION For a detailed job description, qualification criteria and application procedures, please see attachment or: http://www.ict-innovation.fossfa.net/CertificationManager Last DATE OF APPLICATION: January 20th, 2010 Best regards Your ict@innovation team Please feel free to further distribute this information to persons / institutions which might be interested in the call. In case you have received this information through different channels: sorry for crossposting. ict@innovation - Creating Business and Learning Opportunities with Free and Open Source Software in Africa is a joint capacity building project in the area of innovative information and communication technologies through Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) implemented in Southern and East Africa from 2008-2010. For details please see: http://www.ict-innovation.fossfa.net -- Muthoni My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:- First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!

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Internet Prices in Kenya ..... 1MB for USD60
by Agosta Liko 18 Dec '09

18 Dec '09

Hi Guys ... About - http://www.zuku.co.ke/broadband/ 1MB in Kenya for approx USD60 So we have gone a step better than the 100-200MB that has been a bone of contention on this forum ? Can we close this bandwidth discussion now ? Agosta Liko, Founder www.verviant.com

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Fwd: ITU Cybercrime Guide for Developing Countries available
by Brian Munyao Longwe 17 Dec '09

17 Dec '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dr. Marco Gercke <gercke(a)cybercrime.de> Date: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 9:44 PM Subject: ITU Cybercrime Guide for Developing Countries available in French now To: AfricanCyberInfoNetwork(a)afrispa.org Dear all, As a follow-up to my mail from earlier this year just a short information that ITU posted the guide “Understanding Cybercrime: A Guide for Developing Countries” in three more language on the website (in addition to English now also French, Spanish and Russian). Chinese and Arabic language will follow soon. Everything is available for free download here : http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/cyb/cybersecurity/projects/crimeguide.html http://www.itu.int/oth/D010B000007/ Let me take the opportunity to thank all of you for your feedback to the English version and especially your requests for the French translation. I forwarded them to ITU and when the saw the great demand they got things moving very fast. So thanks to all of you for your very active support. Best, Marco -- Dr. Marco Gercke Director Cybercrime Research Institute Niehler Str. 35 50733 Cologne Germany P.: +49 221 2707205 F.: +49 221 2707206 www.cybercrime-institute.com gercke(a)cybercrime.de Cybercrime Research Institute GmbH HRB 66602 (Amtsgericht Köln) Geschäftsführer: Dr. Marco Gercke -- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe(a)gmail.com cell: + 254 722 518 744 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com

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Business license required to register domain name
by waudo siganga 16 Dec '09

16 Dec '09

In perhaps a preview of how things would turn out if governments controlled the global Internet (i.e. captured ICANN), the Government of China has banned individuals from registering internet domain names and launched a review of millions of existing personal websites in the toughest government censorship drive so far on the internet. To register a domain name one must now present a business registration certificate (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bc9684f6-e95d-11de-be51-00144feab49a.h tml?nclick_check=1). This type of top-down decision-making is common in China resulting in numerous pronouncements and edicts, some, like this one, mind-boggling. It reminds one of the mushroom management style where the people are kept in the dark and once in while some cow dung is flung in their direction. True wealth is the ability to let go of your possessions

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(no subject)
by James Muendo 16 Dec '09

16 Dec '09

Just thought we would get a quick response. Am considering joining, and was wondering if anyone from this list is a member and could share some insights. What kind of society is it? What does it do? Is it active in kenyan scenes especially in the tech sector? What initiatives did it have for 2009? James Muendo Leerick Office & Tech Supplies P.O Box 28016 - 00200 Nairobi,Kenya. Phone: + 254 725 567 508 gtalk: timrick Skype: tim.rick

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Re: [kictanet] Update on ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage
by Okoth Washington 15 Dec '09

15 Dec '09

Morning Waudo, I tend to agree with Robert that you pick up the issue with KASNEB. Issues of gazettement can be sorted out later by another gazette notice. What do you think about calling some of your members to start the ball rolling? Okoth Washington From: kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of waudo siganga Sent: 14 December 2009 18:00 To: Okoth Washington Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update on ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage Dear Robert - thanks for your suggestion but it appears that you are unaware that the ICDL thing was gazetted (Gazette Notice Vol CXI-No 98 Dated 13th November, 2009 - see attachement) Kind Regards, Waudo -------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner <http://www.mail.jambo.co.ke/> , and is believed to be clean. -------------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world"

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Electronic Program Guide for Digital TV
by aki 14 Dec '09

14 Dec '09

Dear Listers, My apology for listing this here but if anyone on the list knows more about the subject line, a few of us in skunks mailing list ( techie list ) are interested to learn more and possibly make it a project for next year. I'm struggling to get information and was wondering if anyone can provide a mailing address of person/people who are working on the DTV rollout. If there is already an initiative in place, we would like to avoid repetition. Specifically, the interest is on these and could extend out further : - EPG standard - EPG scope - EPG format and universal platforms - EPG rollout time - EPG uptake by Stations. Your input will be highly appreciated. Rgds.

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Re: [kictanet] Update on ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage
by waudo siganga 14 Dec '09

14 Dec '09

Sorry I have re-sent the attachment as a Word Doc. On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:59 +0300, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> wrote: Dear Robert - thanks for your suggestion but it appears that you are unaware that the ICDL thing was gazetted (Gazette Notice Vol CXI-No 98 Dated 13th November, 2009 - see attachement) Kind Regards, Waudo

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ICDL and foreign certifications for basic computer usage
by Sam Aguyo 14 Dec '09

14 Dec '09

Hi Robert, I agree with you absolutely regarding ICDL as a measure of literacy. However when we start the discussions we need to bring every body on board by providing some background information. For example you say that there are 3 mature curriculum, which ones are they and developed by who - KIE, KASNEB or Bob, how far have they gone in addressing our objective of measuring literacy? Then we can effectively contribute to the discussion. Again we need to be a little bit careful on our language as we address fellow professionals lest be considered an empty debe (tin) which i believe one is not. We are apparently missing out something in the discussion which majors on a body that can measure IT literacy and issue a certificate to an individual Kenyan am left wondering how software development comes in. Do we expect literacy to entail programming? Sam ________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: saguyo(a)yahoo.com Cc: Kictanet Mail list <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 12:28:50 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage One Micheal Joseph called Kenyans peculiar and as I have mentioned before in my posts, I am a true Kenyan peculiar to other humans and for this reason if no other ICDL will not meet my requirements because I do not fit into the world demographic. A wheel is supposed to be round, why would I try to make a square one as so that I can arrive at the logic behind a round wheel? We have 3 or more mature curriculum on IT proficiency so there is absolutely no reason for us to import another. LEt us remain peculiar and be proud of it, we are not an asian tiger nation because we are not asian, we are an african leopard, cheetah, lion or hyena. Ours should be to develop a curriculum for export to east and central africa not ape (literally) others. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Tue, 1/12/09, joseph james <jjngatia(a)gmail.com> wrote: >From: joseph james <jjngatia(a)gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage >To: "Evans Ikua" <ikua.evans(a)gmail.com> >Cc: "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> >Date: Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 7:09 > > >Dear Evans, > >I might choose to agree and differ on many points in your discussions. One for the ICDL option, its independent and has world recognition and the question is simple; Can KIE develop a curricula that achieve such similar status? Yes and No. So while we appreciate the flat world, the consumers are now better placed to choose what they want to buy, indulge, watch, learn and so forth. > >4 out 5 Kenyans are certifications/paper- focused; most kenyans believe in getting certified and this is one major virus we need to clean. Again, most would want to get a certifiction that comes with international recognition in over 146 countries (work anywhere and for whoever). This cert virus has resulted from the CPF culture (CRAM-PASS- FORGET culture) that most pupils and students acquire all through the 8:4:4 curriculum. > >Most Governments have recognized ICDL, Kenya is just joining the pack. I believe in standards and innovating; Asia has prospered and left many African nations way behind, by adapting and adopting western world technological advancement. I think this is what we should do, or had done earlier. If we started earlier on and built standards and focused on quality training, we would have our certification and maybe share with the rest of continent if not the world. We were beaten to that by ICDL organisation. We need not recreate the wheel now. May be what should be the question main is finding measures on how how to reduce costs of pursuing ICDL from above Kes. 30,000 to may be Kes.14,000. It's possible and we may try adopting eLearning technologies. (I should have said I am an eLearning champion) > >So while we can train using ICDL for now, we can embark on building our own curriculum that beats ICDL. It's just a matter of time and with zero politic on such processes. I am a real optimist by all means; but for now while most Kenyans are hooked to foreign everything basic; food, clothes, shelter, media, culture, technology, education... Its upon organized groups making us proud with homegrown solutions that have a global feel and can be exported to other nations. It will be a Kenyanization effect. >> > > > > > >On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>I remember there was some discussion some time back about training standards. What was the outcome of that meeting? Anyone on this list who has some info? >> >>This is really pathetic. What is it with Kenyans and Foreign goods? Does the ICDL or any other certification for that matter, add any knowledge to someone? Is knowledge in a piece of paper or in the delivery of the training? Do you have any idea about the amount of money we lose to the UK for IMIS every year? While an individual has the right to choose what to take, I think its the epitome of ignorance to have the Government imposing on poor people an expensive end user qualification. >> >>Like I have said before, those living in Nairobi have forgotten that the country is bigger than Nairobi. We cant therefore see how someone cant afford 30k for an end user certificate. So how about the poor people who live on a dollar a day? Are we saying that they will never get jobs because they cant prove their end user skills? We need to wake up! >> >> >> >>On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:48 AM, anthony. musunji <tonzo1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >>>I think Evans has introduced a valid dimension in this argument .Since Accountants have been able to develop a valid and recognised certification format, why can't the local IT proffessionals \ fraternity develop or promote its own certification .I am also keen to hear what KASNEB has to say about this development . >>> >>> >>>My 2 cents >>> Anthony Musunji >>> >>> >>>On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>Evans, >>>> >>>>You may be pleased to know that the Kenya Accountants and Secretaries >>>>National Examinations Board (KASNEB) in 2006 introduced two examinable >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>courses( 1 Professional Level("CICT"), 1 Technician Level"ICTT"). Last >>>>week, KASNEB Secretary and CEO kindly send me copies of the syllabus >>>>-(commencement June 2009) >>>> >>>>I have copied this message to KASNEB CEO with the hope that they may >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>be interested in joining this list at least for the purpose of this >>>>discussion? >>>> >>>>Kind regards, >>>> >>>>Alex >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Evan's argument was regarding the cost of certification, not platform - and >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> whether KIE can develop a local certification instead of 'sending forex >>>>> abroad' >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 30, 2009 8:58 PM, "DAI" <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ICDL is platform independent. Period. >>>>> >>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Evans Ikua > To: ke-users > Sent: >>>>>> > Monday, November 30, 200... >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> ke-internetusers mailing list >>>>> ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net >>>>> http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> ke-internetusers mailing list >>>>> ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net >>>>> http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> ke-internetusers mailing list >>>>> ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net >>>>> http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>ke-internetusers mailing list >>>>ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net >>>>http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >>>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>>>ke-internetusers mailing list >>ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net >>http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >> >> > > >-- >Kind regards, > >James J Ngatia > >Q: I could not, at any age, be content to take my place by the fireside and simply look on. Life was meant to be lived. Curiosity must be kept alive. One must never, for whatever reason, turn his back on life. >>ELEANOR ROOSEVELT: > > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >_______________________________________________ >ke-internetusers mailing list >ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net >http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > Hi Robert,

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