August 2018 - KICTANet

Re: [kictanet] New Cabinet - Wish List ?
by Barrack Otieno 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

Listers, This is indeed good news. We have a lot of hope in Mucheru and Victor Kyalo industry veterans who have indeed worked their way through the trenches. Most importantly we hope to see the return of a multi stakeholder form of engagement in the sector which we have been yearning for in a while. I think as a sector we might need to prepare a wish list for our new leaders and most importantly commit to work with them towards achieving their mandate. The reshuffle is timely still it comes at the end of the year and will allow us to start 2016 on a new slate. Thank you Best Regards On 11/24/15, GG via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > +1 Grace. > > Sending them positive energy! And glad that the two were among the KICTANet > founders. > Rgds. > > --- Original Message --- > > From: "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Sent: 24 November 2015 22:35 > To: ggithaiga(a)hotmail.com > Cc: "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <nmutungu(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] New Cabinet > > One of the issues (I think issue no.3) in the President's speech was > accessibility of leaders to wananchi. With Joe and Kyalo I think we shall > have better ears. > > Congratulations! > > May they pass the vetting. > > Regards, > On 24 Nov 2015 21:29, "Evans Ikua via kictanet" < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> @Ngigi you are right. But in the current dispensation, a CS is still >> expected to be a technocrat, as opposed to the days of yore when minister >> was politician. So they will both be at home in their respective >> positions. >> Especially Victor as the accounting officer with his many years in >> government. That's the right position. >> >> Evans >> On Nov 24, 2015 9:17 PM, "Waithaka Ngigi" <ngigi(a)at.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Evans, >>> >>> Joe Mucheru & Victor Kyalo are old hands in. KE ICT. Both have been >>> entrepreneurs and then at some point moved on to various ventures. So we >>> shouldn't go wrong ‎with either. >>> >>> However, what's the better fit? Mucheru at CS, Victor at PS or the other >>> way round? Victor CS, Mucheru PS? >>> >>> Waithaka Ngigi >>> >>> Alliance Technologies >>> www.at.co.ke >>> *From: *Evans Ikua via kictanet >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 24, 2015 8:50 PM >>> *To: *Ngigi Waithaka >>> *Reply To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>> *Cc: *Evans Ikua >>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] New Cabinet >>> >>> Congrats Hon Joe! That's a great choice for the ICT industry. Well out >>> H.E. >>> >>> Ikua >>> On Nov 24, 2015 8:45 PM, "waudo siganga via kictanet" < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Congratulations to Joe Mucheru! >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ikua.evans%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >>>> development. >>>> >>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>>> bandwidth, >>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >>>> do >>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> > -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/

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KICTANet Preliminary Observations on Technology Deployment in Kenya’s General Election 2017
by Grace Githaiga 17 Sep '20

17 Sep '20

Listers Greetings. Please find attached an interim report on KICTANet's observation on the technology deployment of the electoral process from a user end perspective. We are working an elaborate report and will share in due course. We thank all our observers and all members who contributed to all the discussions on the topic of technology use in the elections. Best regards Githaiga, Grace Co-Convenor Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) Twitter:@ggithaiga Tel: 254722701495 Skype: gracegithaiga Alternate email: ggithaiga(a)hotmail.com<mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com> Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegithaiga www.kictanet.or.ke "Change only happens when ordinary people get involved, get engaged and come together to demand it. I am asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about change – but in yours"---Barrack Obama. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Grace Githaiga Twitter: @ggithaiga Skype: gracegithaiga Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegithaiga ...the most important office in a democracy is the citizen. So, you see, that’s what our democracy demands. It needs you!----Barrack Obama.

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Save the Date: the Kenya Internet Governance Forum 2018 (July 19, 2018)
by Grace Githaiga 25 Jun '19

25 Jun '19

Listers Greetings! This is to let you know that the Kenya Internet Governance Forum 2018 is planned to take place on Thursday July 19, 2018. I will send a call shortly to invite volunteers to help in organizing the forum. The organising committee lead by Victor Kapiyo (he will Chair for the 2nd term) will share further details on venue, topics, speakers with us as the process evolves. Looking forward to seeing as many of you on that day. Best regards Githaiga, Grace Co-Convenor Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) Twitter:@ggithaiga Tel: 254722701495 Skype: gracegithaiga Alternate email: ggithaiga(a)hotmail.com Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegithaiga www.kictanet.or.ke "Change only happens when ordinary people get involved, get engaged and come together to demand it. I am asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about change – but in yours"---Barrack Obama.

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Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back
by Ali Hussein 02 May '19

02 May '19

Dear Bwana CS KICTANet NEVER asked KEPSA to handle engagements on our behalf. We engaged KEPSA to work as a team. Period. Never, did we abdicate our responsibilities to KEPSA because we are not KEPSA members. If KEPSA gave you that belief then I'm afraid that you were misled. And KEPSA should apologise for misleading you. *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Ali Hussein, > > This is the reason I keep off this list. You are calling me a liar and yet > your team asked KEPSA to handle the engagements in this matter. > > With all respect going forward let's follow the agreed engagements between > government and private sector. > > Ahsante Sana! > > JM > > > On 17 Dec 2017 11:17, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Bwana CS > > With all due respect. You are a senior government official and shouldn’t > peddle untruths. > > KICTANet HAS NEVER BEEN PART OF KEPSA. > > We have collaborated only once on the ICT BIll. Most of us don’t believe > KEPSA is representative of the wider ICT Industry. > > We welcome dialogue with your ministry and KEPSA on this. We are happy to > be included in the conversation. We however CANNOT endorse a dialogue and > discussions we are not party to. > > *Ali Hussein* > *Principal* > *Hussein & Associates* > +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > > Skype: abu-jomo > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a > habit." ~ Aristotle > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 17 Dec 2017, at 9:04 AM, Julius Njiraini via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Digital forensic expert is involved in investigation of fraud, abuse, > embezzlement, larceny, conversion of any digital device, records and > process. The report is supposed to be presented in courtroom and testify as > expert witness. He is also supposed to corroborate evidence with other > segment of crime scene using relevant laws including evidence act, criminal > procedures code and cyber crime laws as best international laws in other > countries > On Dec 17, 2017 8:32 AM, "Julius Njiraini" <njiraini2001(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for your enlightenment. Am just concerned about new emerging >> fields like information security and forensics which is mainly concerned >> with digital cyber crime and evidence presentation in courtroom. These is >> especially concerns for computer security and forensics professionals >> On Dec 17, 2017 6:12 AM, "Joseph Mucheru via kictanet" < >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >>> The absence of dialogue and relying on media reports is a recipe for >>> discord. The current views, sentiments and concerns raised in the group are >>> justified only because there is no dialogue. Kicktanet is part of KEPSA >>> <https://kepsa.or.ke> who we are in constant dialogue even on this >>> topic. Going forward, the need to dialogue through the agreed channels is >>> key; >>> >>> So let me try and give a position on where we are; >>> >>> - I did state that we will need a Practitioners Bill and even >>> clarified to media it would not be the current one >>> - There is currently NO Bill in parliament. The last one lapsed and >>> we would need to start afresh >>> - The bill identified a need/gap in our sector that requires some >>> action, especially since ICT is at the heart of the Governments development >>> agenda >>> - The Industry was opposed with the method/solutions proposed by the >>> Bill but not the fact there is a gap >>> - Other Industries have self regulating bodies and if our sector is >>> to grow, we need to get organised and set this up. Why should government >>> have to do it? >>> - We are exporting our skills regionally and internationally and a >>> need to standardise and demonstrate our skills is key. This is because we >>> are not working in isolation, we are competing with other countries and >>> Kenya must be able to demonstrate consistent and quality skills -- today we >>> are blacklisted on various online jobs platforms because of a few bad >>> apples, while we know we have some of the best talents, we are also losing >>> tenders and business because we have not conformed to specific >>> international standards and so the rating of our products/services falls >>> short. (KBS is working on the standards) >>> >>> And for the accusations... >>> >>> - It was a private members bill and not sponsored by Government (We >>> opposed it in its current form - you know that, otherwise google it). >>> - Responding to questions from the sector does not amount to a >>> "roadside decision", considering the level of engagement we have had on >>> this issue >>> - The Government is there to serve the people of Kenya and not just >>> the sector in isolation >>> - Skills Rating systems used by platforms such as Kuhastle.com, >>> upwork.com., cloudfactory.com, monster.com..etc are examples of ways >>> people are able to build and demonstrate skills both technical and otherwise >>> - I have had engagements on this topic with KEPSA (ICT Sector >>> Committee <https://kepsa.or.ke/sector-comittees/>) - Mike Macharia >>> being the Chair >>> - I saw in social media many of you opposed to ICTAK >>> <http://www.ictak.or.ke/> being enjoined in the supreme court >>> presidential petition, but none came out (Kicktanet included) to >>> support/represent the sector, which was at the heart of the dispute. At the >>> very least ICTAK <http://www.ictak.or.ke/> was willing to come >>> forward. >>> - Similar to the Law Society, The Supreme Court should have chosen >>> the ICT experts from the ICT Industry body? >>> >>> My advice would be for the sector to take the lead and suggest how this >>> need/gap of* "SKILLS RATING" standards etc.. *can be addressed. We are >>> on the same side. If industry does not take the lead, then Government will >>> step in. As it stands, industry has various bodies and you need to agree on >>> how to engage amongst yourselves. We are going to be successful and so let >>> us push in the same direction. >>> >>> Finally, today the official engagement between government and the ICT >>> sector is through KEPSA <https://kepsa.or.ke/> . (KICTAnet, TESPOK, >>> KITOS etc.. are members and even when we engaged on the ICT Practitioners >>> bill, the sector was represented by KEPSA, when we met MPs). >>> >>> The last discussion on Tuesday 14th December 2017 between KEPSA and the >>> Ministry covered the following topics; >>> >>> 1. ICT Policy >>> 2. Kick-off Industry meetings >>> 3. Bills / Opinions - ICT Practitioners Bill >>> 4. PDTP <http://icta.go.ke/digitalent/> + Ajira Digital >>> <http://ajiradigital.go.ke/> (Jobs) >>> 5. Flagship Projects >>> 6. Constituency Development Hubs >>> <http://www.ict.go.ke/constituency-to-get-an-innovation-hub/> >>> 7. ICTA Engagement with Counties >>> 8. Enterprise Kenya >>> 9. Blockchain >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Andrew Alston via kictanet < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So – having seen an article in the standardmedia in which elements of >>>> what I stated below were quoted – and to which there seem to have been >>>> responses – I now need to comment further: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (Article found at: https://www.standardmedia.co.k >>>> e/business/article/2001263257/techies-oppose-move-to-introdu >>>> ce-new-ict-watchdog) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Mucheru, however, denies that the Bill will lock out experts without >>>> formal training insisting the reverse will be the case. “This Bill will >>>> benefit the people who have been working in technical capacity for years >>>> but have not acquired certificates,” he explained. “If they can demonstrate >>>> their proficiency to the Institute then they can get certified and widen >>>> the scope of jobs they can bid or apply for.” * >>>> >>>> So – I have a question – What will be the method of demonstrating >>>> proficiency and how will this be tested – and what will it cost – and how >>>> long will it take. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now – let me break the questions down a bit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. The ICT field is vast – are you going to test proficiency in >>>> programming? In networking? In security? In database administration? In >>>> desktop support? In Linux? Freebsd? Microsoft? Solaris? AIX? What is the >>>> test going to be – and who is going to administer these tests >>>> 2. What makes an industry body more capable of testing proficiency >>>> than Cisco, Juniper, Huawei or any of the other vendors – the bill does * >>>> *NOT** cater for industry standard certification outside of formal >>>> education – it simply is not in there – and if you are not going to accept >>>> these and are going to have this industry body determine proficiency – we >>>> need to know how this will be done and how the people testing proficiency >>>> will be qualified to do it – and in what fields they are qualified to test >>>> proficiency. >>>> 3. What is the cost of this testing of proficiency – does an >>>> individual who has certified as a CCIE at the cost of thousands – and in >>>> some cases tens of thousands – of dollars suddenly need to pay more to >>>> demonstrate something that he has clearly already demonstrated? Who will it >>>> be paid for? How will the money be utilized? Will this be included in the >>>> license fee for the first year? Or will this suddenly cost extra so >>>> someone can make some money? >>>> 4. How does does it take to “demonstrate proficiency” – and if I >>>> bring in someone from outside to train my staff in a new field of >>>> technology – is he going to be made to sit some kind of exam? Or pay some >>>> kind of fee before he can upskill Kenyans? Because – lets be real – that is >>>> not going to happen – it will be the death of bringing in people to impart >>>> knowledge. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let me be blunt – more than half the authors of the RFC’s within the >>>> IETF would not qualify under the bill as it stands – this means they would >>>> have to “demonstrate” their proficiency – despite the fact that they have >>>> their names on Internet standards – and if people expect these individuals >>>> to sit exams or prove to people that they know what they are doing – >>>> despite the knowledge having been clearly demonstrated (which is why they >>>> are being flown in in the first place, to train Kenyans in skills that are >>>> not available in the country so that those Kenyans can continue to further >>>> upskill and lift up the industry) – you can kiss goodbye to having cutting >>>> edge people coming into this country – it simply won’t happen – and it will >>>> be Kenya that loses out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Then to comment on this: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Mucheru adds that the Government has held several engagements with >>>> practitioners in the sector on the provisions of the Bill. * >>>> >>>> Correct – there was massive engagement – and the bill was largely >>>> defeated after the industry said it was broken – after people on this list >>>> said it was broken – after it was slammed left right and centre – so yes – >>>> there was engagement – but the article is wrong about the fact that the >>>> engagement agreed that this bill in its current form was a good idea or >>>> represented the correct solution. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *“There was consensus that we need to establish a professional body to >>>> regulate the industry,” he said. * >>>> >>>> I have no problem with the concept of a professional body – I have >>>> major problems with forcing a situation where people who have potentially >>>> decades of experience have to suddenly “prove” their skills via some >>>> entirely undefined means at some undefined cost to a bunch of people who >>>> may or may not have anywhere close to the experience or knowledge of the >>>> person being tested. If we said that we had a professional body that people >>>> could register to – and they needed to be registered – and in the event of >>>> *substantiated* complaints the individual could be deregistered and >>>> blacklisted – I would have no problem. It is the arbitrary and >>>> unsubstantiated and undefined criteria for registration that I take >>>> exception to – and that I believe could result in expensive legal >>>> challenges. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Please – do not get me wrong – I do not begrudge anyone who has a >>>> desire to genuinely root out the bad apples and clean up the industry and >>>> remove scam artists and fraudsters. I think that is a noble and pure >>>> objective that should be pursued. I however dispute the fact that this >>>> bill is the right way to go about it – and I dispute the fact that >>>> university degrees have anything to do with competence in this industry – >>>> particularly with the rate that technology evolves – because an individual >>>> doing a 3 year degree who is learning specific technologies in his first >>>> year – by the time he graduates – those technologies are history – and when >>>> he walks into the industry – he is having to self study it all again >>>> ANYWAY. Let me give you examples of technologies that did not exist a year >>>> ago in any real form: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Segment routing – the foundation of network routing going >>>> forward and the replacement to MPLS – how do I know this – because I’ve had >>>> my hands in crafting the specifications and doing a lot of the beta testing >>>> for it – so who is going to test proficiency here – it changes the game – >>>> and the only people qualified to teach it – or gauge the proficiency in it >>>> – do not themselves qualify under this bill to be registered. >>>> 2. Network telemetry processing – first introduced in limited form >>>> in Q3 2015 – and only now becoming main stream – but within a year of it >>>> being main stream – it will replace standard network monitoring entirely – >>>> who is going to teach that with a university degree? >>>> 3. Which university degree teaches BGP? BGP-LU? ISIS? Network >>>> segmentation? IPv6 addressing? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The list is endless – these are things that cannot be learnt through a >>>> degree – they are learnt through industry standard certification or >>>> self-skilling by reading documentation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, Mr Mucheru – please – do not read me wrong – I have tremendous >>>> respect for the regulator in this country – and it is testament to how well >>>> the Kenyan industry and the regulatory environment here works that today – >>>> Kenya has higher average mobile broadband speeds than either the US or >>>> South Africa or a lot of other places. It is testament to the regulatory >>>> environment here that we have the high-speed networks we do – and that the >>>> pricing is as low as it is – because the industry is competitive and open >>>> and innovative. This list of things the regulator has gotten right in this >>>> country is long - I do however plead with you, the bill as it stands would >>>> break the industry that all of us – yourself – myself – and so many others >>>> have worked so hard to build. I am NOT against a professional body – I am >>>> NOT against formalizing things – but I beg you – do not walk down the road >>>> of this current bill in its current form – it will be death to this >>>> industry in this country. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Andrew Alston >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston(a)liquidtelecom.com> >>>> *Date: *Monday, 4 December 2017 at 01:24 >>>> *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>>> *Cc: *Liz Wanjiru <lizwanjiru(a)gmail.com> >>>> *Subject: *RE: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have to say – personally I cannot think of a worse piece of >>>> legislation that I have seen in recent history. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us look at the net effects of this and the problems with it: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Large companies bring in consultants or external people where >>>> necessary to supplement capacity, to train and upskill Kenyan staff etc, >>>> while those guys are here, even for a week or two, they are compensated, >>>> and my reading of this bill is – this would be illegal – because you’d have >>>> to get every consultant you bring in accredited and licensed first – which >>>> is impractical in the extreme >>>> 2. The list of highly skilled people with 20+ years experience who >>>> would not qualify for accreditation under this bill is extensive, globally >>>> and within Kenya – this bill completely stops any form of knowledge >>>> transfer from those individuals and in fact will force a situation where >>>> Kenyan’s who wish to learn from some of the biggest names in the industry >>>> would be forced to go internationally to get that knowledge, rather than >>>> bringing those people in to train locally >>>> 3. It forces Kenyans who have spent years learning and honing their >>>> skills without university qualifications out of work and could well result >>>> in large scale job losses looking at the number of highly skilled >>>> individuals I know of who are working without qualifications >>>> 4. It prevents private companies from making what are normal >>>> business decisions – who they hire and who they pay. That is problematic >>>> in the extreme – in any normal situation if a private company hires staff >>>> that don’t perform – those staff either get fired or the market rejects the >>>> company and the company disappears – standard market dynamics – in this >>>> case – if a company finds extremely talented people they may be forced into >>>> a position where they have to hire less skilled people because someone >>>> can’t meet some accreditation requirement. >>>> 5. The bill has no recognition of prior experience – no recognition >>>> of those who have published papers and are world recognized experts – does >>>> not specify what the “recognized” universities are – does not take into >>>> account industry standard certification (CISSP/CCNA/CCIE/CCDP/JNCIE/JNCIP/JNCIA, >>>> the list is endless) >>>> 6. May well end up in the constitutional court when it deprives a >>>> host of people who have spent their lives working in this industry and have >>>> no other options for a career of the ability to earn a living >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The bill relies on the belief that a university qualification some how >>>> makes you better than those without – it’s reasoning that has been >>>> disproved globally for years and years and years – and it flies in the face >>>> of the global industry and the way the ICT industry has worked since the >>>> day it began. It is damaging to the industry in Kenya – it is damaging to >>>> the growth prospects of the economy as a result – it is damaging to the >>>> people of Kenya – and it will destroy the position that Kenya is in as one >>>> of the leaders of the ICT industry on the continent (Kenya already has the >>>> highest average broadband speeds on the continent and significantly better >>>> ICT infrastructure than you will find even in South Africa – it is doing so >>>> well – why break a system that is proving functional?) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I really hope this does not pass – and if it does – will be curious to >>>> see the court challenges and how they play out – but I think this is >>>> madness personally – and in the name of stopping a few bad individuals – >>>> penalizes the entire country and will destroy an industry that employs >>>> thousands. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston= >>>> liquidtelecom.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Liz Wanjiru via >>>> kictanet >>>> *Sent:* 04 December 2017 06:43 >>>> *To:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston(a)liquidtelecom.com> >>>> *Cc:* Liz Wanjiru <lizwanjiru(a)gmail.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> While trying to push such laws shouldn't they be looking at >>>> credentialing people without formal ICT schooling but have the experience, >>>> knowledge and skills to back them? These people have talent and positively >>>> contribute in the industry. Some countries have learning institutions >>>> credentialing professionals based on their body of work and so long as they >>>> can demonstrate this they are awarded the degrees or other government >>>> approved certifications. Here is an example of such >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Link >>>> <http://www.ara.ac.nz/study-options/centre-for-assessment-of-prior-learning-…> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Liz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet < >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>> I wonder how some of the ground breaking technology companies - such as >>>> for instance Google Kenya, can operate if this bill is passed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Watila Alex via kictanet < >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>> EricKigada: Kenya’s controversial ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 to be tabled in parliament again >>>> >>>> techmoran.com/kenyas-controv… >>>> >>>> https://twitter.com/EricKigada/status/937309893954031616 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>> ailman/options/kictanet/ultimateprogramer%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>>> regulation. 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Re: [kictanet] TV signals turned off
by Dorcas Muthoni 22 Dec '18

22 Dec '18

Hahaha 😂 😂 😂, that is all I can tell you Ali. Have a great weekend! On Feb 2, 2018 5:20 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dorcas You smartly skirt the issues I have raised. But let me address the issue of the media. During the electioneering period who was abusing the Internet most to spread virulent lies and propaganda? Was it the media or politicians? And here I mean politicians on both sides of the divide. My dear sister, wake up and smell the coffee.. you continue to defend the indefensible and one day we will be here defending you. As I said this list has a habit of being an equal opportunity offender. *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <0713%20601113> Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 2 Feb 2018, at 4:06 PM, Hillary Cheserek via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Agreed. ------------------------------ *From: *"Dorcas Muthoni" <dmuthoni(a)gmail.com> *To: *"hcheserek" <hcheserek(a)kenet.or.ke> *Cc: *"KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent: *Friday, February 2, 2018 3:48:22 PM *Subject: *[kictanet] TV signals turned off Thanks Hillary, Correct, this is not a justification discussion but an opportunity to show that both government and media should be accountable and responsible at all times. I am surprised at how much leeway the media has been given even on this list when it comes to being accountable and responsible. So many journalists mean well, but how many can set the headline? Several years ago, I asked a senior news editor "as you set the political agenda in the country (what many call power of the media ), do you see Nairobi becoming something like Tokyo or Kabul?" He was dismayed. That person is still heading news as far as I know. On Feb 2, 2018 3:31 PM, "Hillary Cheserek" <hcheserek(a)kenet.or.ke> wrote: > I have seen the video and it is really informative. However, I doubt if > Kenyans will take it seriously. They have been trained to think differently > and to be defensive at all times. The video does not justify switching off > TV signals as well. > > Regards > *Hillary K. Cheserek* > Senior Network Engineer > KENET > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > *To: *"hcheserek" <hcheserek(a)kenet.or.ke> > *Cc: *"Dorcas Muthoni" <dmuthoni(a)gmail.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy > Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > *Sent: *Friday, February 2, 2018 3:15:02 PM > *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] TV signals turned off > > Ali, view this video https://www.facebook.com/nasdaily/videos/ > 977587759060043/ to get an idea why media is harmful to civilians. Pay > attention to the last 30 seconds. > I am sure you appreciate this bit as well. > > No one one should acquire a licence to use the spectrum, only to > predominantly serve personal and paid interests. I guess you know that only > three out of the 43 TV stations are affected by this. They have all mainly > grown on the premise that politics sells in Kenya. Who sets the agenda, > they do. It is common sense that politics in Kenya thrives on tribalism. > > If you think the content (especially political) served by the 3 TV > stations is doing more good than harm, i think the exact opposite. > > This list enables different perspectives to be shared while shaping the > industry. We cannot afford to lean on one side. > > And by the way, i think our constitution still needs lots of work, we > cannot blindly say that it is the best we can ever have. And what about > democracy, i am not sure of any perfect democracy anywhere in the world, > neither do i think that it is really working in many parts of the world. > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> wrote: > >> Dorcas >> Yours is a one sided conversation. Why are you not talking about our >> leaders who have disappointed the nation more than the press can ever do. >> >> Look at what is happening right now. The use of the instruments of state >> to circumvent a court order. When those who are supposed to protect us and >> uphold the law are the ones who are circumventing it where does this leave >> us as a citizenry? >> >> Why do you not talk about that? >> >> This list is an equal opportunity offender. Most of us here do not >> necessarily subscribe to any particular political pursuit when it comes to >> ICT issues. We discuss issues here that affect the ICT Sector and how it is >> perceived by local and foreign investors. You tell me whether what is >> currently happening is good for this country. >> >> Kiswahili twasema - Ukiona mwenzako anyolewa chako kitie maji.. (if you >> see your friend being shaved, please prepare your head because you will >> surely be next). >> >> My earnest and sincere plea to the government is not to take this country >> on a slippery slop of disrespecting our democracy and constitution. This is >> our Govt irrespective of our political divide. >> >> Regards >> >> *Ali Hussein* >> *Principal* >> *Hussein & Associates* >> +254 0713 601113 <0713%20601113> >> >> Twitter: @AliHKassim >> >> Skype: abu-jomo >> >> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >> >> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a >> habit." ~ Aristotle >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 2 Feb 2018, at 11:41 AM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet < >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >> Brother Ali, Trust me, the media has let me down. There were days when >> it was a true fourth estate but today, the same rot that has eaten many >> sectors is well alive and blooming in the media. >> >> Please share your perceived risks to national security the >> self-inauguration poses to you and me. One sided risk assessment is >> self-destructive. >> >> On Feb 1, 2018 3:47 PM, "Ali Hussein" <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> wrote: >> >>> Semantricks my dear sister.. A play with words doesn’t detract from the >>> fact. Who more than politicians have turned this into personal interest? >>> >>> *Ali Hussein* >>> *Principal* >>> *Hussein & Associates* >>> +254 0713 601113 <0713%20601113> >>> >>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>> >>> Skype: abu-jomo >>> >>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>> >>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but >>> a habit." ~ Aristotle >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 1 Feb 2018, at 12:02 PM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>> @Ali and @Kiama, the word is politricks. >>> >>> Reporting politics obsessively for personal and paid interest. This is >>> where I fault the media. They know themselves. >>> >>> This trend does not benefit the professional media or the followers but >>> rather brings selfish political games to your channel. >>> >>> On Feb 1, 2018 9:50 AM, "Mutemi wa Kiama" <eddiekiama(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Dorcas? >>> >>> Don't report politics? Don't report corruption, mismanagement, theft of >>> public resources, abuse of office? Don't report LIFE in Kenya is what you >>> are saying. You want to stay in your ignorance perch and enjoy your comfort >>> zones. Thing is, you won't know what hits you when it crumbles. >>> >>> #LestWeForget: When local TV stations were arbitrary switched off during >>> digital migration, notwithstanding that the global deadline was over a year >>> away providing room for negotiation & structured migration, the CS in >>> charge of information/ICT was... drum roll... incidentally, one Fred >>> Matiang'i!!! YaHoo! >>> >>> Let's keep feeding the pet python by doing nothing, after all, we are >>> not media. No way internet can be shut down surely! >>> >>> Ni mimi, >>> >>> Edwin Kiama >>> >>> >>> Thoughts become things... choose the good ones! >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> Social Innovator, Social Justice Entrepreneur, Catalyst, Human Rights >>> Defender, Social Accountability Champion, Rhize Coach >>> >>> #DevolutionIsRevolution Champion >>> >>> The Wanjiku Agenda Kenya Foundation (WAKenya) >>> Ordinary, Fearless Kenyans. >>> >>> Sauti Ya Wanjiku Social Movement www.sautiyawanjiku.com >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/wanjikurevolutionkenya >>> >>> https://twitter.com/WanjikuRevolt >>> >>> https://plus.google.com/u/1/+WanjikuMapinduzi/posts >>> >>> http://www.scribd.com/wmkenya >>> >>> >>> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can >>> change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever >>> has." ~Margaret Mead >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1 Feb 2018 09:02, "Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet" < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>> @Peter >>> >>> This is very true and I know to survive in the media business today is >>> not business as usual. >>> >>> Instead of focusing on politricks, claiming it sells why not wake to the >>> call of disruption. >>> >>> We have all lost government business across many sectors, many bills >>> remain unpaid in public procurement, now it's time to create new value >>> propositions to the undeserved or new relevant content. >>> >>> If you check the Google search statistics on top Kenyan user searches, >>> that would provide a pointer on some content areas worth airtime with >>> relevant local context. >>> >>> By the way, why is KTN HOME still broadcasting? Because they focus is >>> on family entertainment? I am sure several others are on air. >>> >>> Wake up call to your mainstream media houses producers? Over emphasis on >>> politricks especially during the news hours will eventually cost the media. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 31, 2018 4:38 PM, "Peter Wakaba via kictanet" < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Let me give a bit of background on why media owners may be taking the >>>> quiet road on this one. After President Uhuru Kenyatta was sworn in in >>>> 2013, and thereafter he named his cabinet, the Ministry of information >>>> moved forward with an idea that had been floating around for a while. To >>>> streamline government spending on advertising and several associated areas >>>> under one body. Meant to create synergy through bulk and then save >>>> government money, the move saw government then channel all advertising >>>> cash through the Government Advertising Agency. >>>> >>>> Between January and April of 2016, this body billed just over a cool >>>> ksh.4B. >>>> >>>> Then they moved a step further and created the 'My Gov' pullout which >>>> initially ran in the two national dailies, plus the people and the star. >>>> Henceforth all government advertising apart from very critical adverts were >>>> channel into this project with the news being delivered by the Kenya News >>>> Agency. The ministry then pays one of the newspapers to print and >>>> distribute as a pullout. >>>> >>>> Needless to say, over this period, advertising revenue has shrunk >>>> dramatically to the point of crippling operations in some newsrooms. To >>>> turn the screws even further, the Ministry has then stopped printing and >>>> publishing this pullout regularly but is now doing so in 'random' fashion >>>> on a weekly basis in any of the said newspapers. The last I saw it was in >>>> the Star Newspaper. >>>> >>>> While no doubt the above move has helped with government austerity, the >>>> media is having to tighten its belt tighter every day. (Not that anyone >>>> owes us anything) >>>> From a team of ten just five years ago, I often have to work with just >>>> one person and maybe an intern to deliver hours of news. (and companies, >>>> like our are all looking to shrink their traditional businesses). >>>> >>>> When you mix the above issues with the general corporate governance >>>> issues that majority of the Kenyan economy faces, there is cause for worry. >>>> And while companies are indeed innovating in order to stay relevant, I >>>> daresay the level of attrition is way faster. >>>> >>>> Then through in lack of depth, lack of experience (because inexperience >>>> is easier to hire and pay) and the rise of fake news and you have a melting >>>> pot that should have everyone worried. >>>> >>>> And while I agree with Ali Hussein that our diligence will eventually >>>> pay off, I fear for the hordes of millennials who may not be as patient. >>>> >>>> In closing, very few companies are willing to take on Government, or >>>> even larger corporates like Safaricom anymore >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet < >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> @ Victor >>>>> >>>>> It is not clear if any of the media houses has taken legal action. >>>>> However, the media attended a press briefing this afternoon where they were >>>>> informed that the stations would "remain off air until the government has >>>>> completed investigations into the "swearing-in" of Opposition leader Raila >>>>> Odinga." >>>>> >>>>> Read on: TV stations will remain shut until investigations end, says >>>>> Matiang'i >>>>> https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/01/31/tv-stations- >>>>> will-remain-shut-until-investigations-end-says-matiangi_c1706915 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Video footage:VIDEO: 3 media houses to remain off-air until government >>>>> concludes investigations - Interior CS Fred Matiang'i >>>>> https://twitter.com/ntvkenya/status/958674927405580289 >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Githaiga, Grace >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, 31-01-2018 at 15:40 Victor Kapiyo via kictanet wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Has any media station gone to court on this? >>>>> >>>>> Or are they perhaps pursuing ADR methods to resolve the issue? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Victor Kapiyo* >>>>> >>>>> Partner | *Lawmark Partners LLP* >>>>> >>>>> Advocate of the High Court of Kenya,Commissioner for Oaths & Notary >>>>> Public >>>>> >>>>> *Suite No. 8, Centro House, Westlands, Nairobi |**Web: >>>>> www.lawmark.co.ke* >>>>> ==================================================== >>>>> >>>>> *“Your attitude, not your aptitude, will determine your altitude” Zig >>>>> Ziglar* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 31 January 2018 at 14:53, Harry Delano via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Actually, Ali am equally outraged that am not seeing sufficient, >>>>> copiou, outpouring amounts of outrage from the mainstream media, or we >>>>> being hoodwinked..? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We seem to be the ones who look more outraged at this, strangely..! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Harry >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 31 Jan 2018 14:46, "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kuwa mpole Ndugu. [image: :-)] >>>>> >>>>> *Ali Hussein* >>>>> >>>>> *Hussein & Associates* >>>>> >>>>> +254 0713 601113 <0713%20601113> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>>> >>>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>>> >>>>> LinkedIn:http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>>> >>>>> Blog:www.alyhussein.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking >>>>> what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 31 Jan 2018, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Peter. I hope you wrote us this email while in a highly charged >>>>> meeting with your colleagues and those from the other houses as regards to >>>>> how you are going to march to both the CA and the MoICT to demand the >>>>> restoration of your transmissions and an explanation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You just tell me where and when we are to start. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If not, I have no sympathy for you guys. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 31 January 2018 at 11:53, Peter Wakaba via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good morning, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My conundrum for the day. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I work for KTN NEWS >>>>> I had scheduled two interviews today afternoon. >>>>> >>>>> One on modern commercial large scale farming and another on T-vet >>>>> (Technical and Vocational Education and Training) and youth. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Being off air on most platforms and under government shutdown, one of >>>>> my interviewees, parastatal Chief, no less, has developed cold feet and >>>>> cancelled or postponed. He is not sure how to behave and whether his >>>>> turning up would be misconstrued. (Two weeks of work out of the window). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My second interviewee, a focused and passionate lady PS. we have been >>>>> planning and cancelling for 3 months now. When I last got her into studio, >>>>> what was supposed to be a one hour insightful discussion was interrupted by >>>>> a presidential rally by the current President. She got just 3 minutes on TV >>>>> for her trouble and left veeeery angry. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> After much haggling, we finally rescheduled. AND THEN YESTERDAY >>>>> HAPPENED. Despite the switch off her handlers insist we keep our end of the >>>>> bargain. >>>>> >>>>> If I host her, will I still be 'kow towing' to the same government >>>>> that is trying to literally throttle my bread and butter ( if I may borrow >>>>> from two expressions). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For both them and I, there is a lacuna on how to behave in these >>>>> instances. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And yet, my audience still needs to be educated and entertained. Oh >>>>> what interesting times we live in. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Eric David via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We are living a lie. The Channels are off. Who's answerable? >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> *From:* kictanet <kictanet-bounces+mwau=outlook >>>>> .com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:45 AM >>>>> *To:* Eric Mwau >>>>> *Cc:* Kevin Kamonye >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] TV signals turned off >>>>> >>>>> A good and insightful read Wangari. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The rising power of Facebook, Google and Twitter and their >>>>> opportunistic business models. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I can directly correlate the challenges that the world media is facing >>>>> to these corporations. They have basically invalidated the current media >>>>> company model in such a way that they sell content that they do not produce >>>>> themselves and to sweeten the deal further - they do not have to pay for >>>>> any operator licenses.They need to be classified as media companies - at >>>>> the very least. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That is why you see our media here being so desperate to the point >>>>> that they almost have no choice but to cooperate with the government >>>>> because it is the biggest source of their revenue. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Next in line to be cannibalized is the Telecom industry bu this is a >>>>> discussion for another day. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On another note, it is shameful for Kenya to be mentioned with the >>>>> below countries, and in such a context. Does anyone have specific >>>>> information on what the Soros foundation is doing in Kenya. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That leaves the local battlegrounds in Africa, the Middle East and >>>>> Central Asia. My foundations are actively engaged in all of them. We are >>>>> particularly focused on Africa, where would-be dictators in Kenya, Zimbabwe >>>>> and the Democratic Republic of Congo have perpetrated electoral fraud on an >>>>> unprecedented scale and citizens are literally risking their lives to >>>>> resist the slide into dictatorship. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30 January 2018 at 23:30, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet< >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> While haggling here on democracy using the lens of TV media, yes, the >>>>> cyber is also on the spotlight. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.georgesoros.com/2018/01/25/remarks-delivered- >>>>> at-the-world-economic-forum/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *The IT monopolies* >>>>> >>>>> I want to spend the bulk of my remaining time on another global >>>>> problem: the rise and monopolistic behavior of the giant IT platform >>>>> companies. These companies have often played an innovative and liberating >>>>> role. But as Facebook and Google have grown into ever more powerful >>>>> monopolies, they have become obstacles to innovation, and they have caused >>>>> a variety of problems of which we are only now beginning to become aware. >>>>> >>>>> Companies earn their profits by exploiting their environment. Mining >>>>> and oil companies exploit the physical environment; social media companies >>>>> exploit the social environment. This is particularly nefarious because >>>>> social media companies influence how people think and behave without them >>>>> even being aware of it. This has far-reaching adverse consequences on the >>>>> functioning of democracy, particularly on the integrity of elections. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Might it be possible to replace with TV companies, aka broadcasters >>>>> >>>>> "This is particularly nefarious because (social media companies)TV >>>>> companies, aka broadcastersinfluence how people think and behave without >>>>> them even being aware of it. This has far-reaching adverse consequences on >>>>> the functioning of democracy, particularly on the integrity of elections. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Be blessed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards/Wangari >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa -"Being of the Light, We are >>>>> Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of >>>>> God on Earth". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, 30 January 2018, 20:25, Harry Delano via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hey Dorcas, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There could be specific qualms against the media fraternity, but how >>>>> about effective checks and balances which I suppose a majority of us would >>>>> agree are in place to quite a degree including costs for breach.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am afraid yours is sanctioning a ' throw-out-the-baby-with-the- >>>>> bath-water' approach. When done with media, next will be this very cyber >>>>> space me and you are thriving on that will be switched off. Then what..?? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Harry >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30 Jan 2018 19:13, "Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet" < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Media freedom must come with responsibility which currently is not the >>>>> case. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Call me when you organize a forum to hold the media to account. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 30, 2018 6:55 PM, "Liz Orembo via kictanet" < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> @Dorcas, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We missed a step forward towards media freedom and freedom to access >>>>> information. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Politics aside, I also felt for those who had to keep calling people >>>>> who had internet or could afford bundles to stream the event. There are >>>>> other ways of making the media accountable other than denying citizen >>>>> access to information. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 30, 2018 18:43, "Denis Mutinda via kictanet" < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So I’m assuming they will turn off those signals forever? >>>>> >>>>> Media will be on Govts case for the next few weeks. Extinguish one >>>>> fire, start another one. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Denis Mutinda >>>>> >>>>> President, ISACA Kenya >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30 Jan 2018, at 18:31, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Other than the perceived illegality, what did we actually miss. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I stopped watching these stations two years ago. Most journalists >>>>> agenda set based on personal or paid interests and there is tonnes of >>>>> evidence to this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am surprised at how so many pretend not to know this \uD83D\uDE14 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> By the way, my business and customers are gravely tired of this >>>>> political crap. I assure many people are. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And subscribers are paying to serve the kind of delusional content >>>>> screened (I feel especially for kids). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kenyans, if you want a better country, fix yourself first. Complaining >>>>> about the less 500 senior government officials many of whom you would be >>>>> pleased to replace and benefit like they do is the highest level of >>>>> hypocrisy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Controversial as this may sound, it's the high time each of us took >>>>> ownership by fixing yourself first. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 30, 2018 6:02 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Kevin and all >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I won't dwell on the tribal or ethnic part of this issue. Let's rather >>>>> address the illegality and unprecedented nature of what is going on right >>>>> now. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ALL MAJOR TV STATIONS HAVE GONE DARK. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Why? Is it because of a technical issue? Or was it a deliberate >>>>> attempt to muzzle free speech and expression. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I understand some goons even went to a particular ISP and tried to >>>>> block certain IP addresses. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This level of intimidation and muzzling of the press is unprecedented. >>>>> Any Kenyan of sound mind and body will be against it. Irrespective of the >>>>> political divide. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Not even in the darkest days of the KANU Dictatorship has the press >>>>> been treated in such a cavalier manner while the supposedly 'friendly' >>>>> press continue with their business as usual. As I write this Citizen, NTV >>>>> and KTN News are still dark. The rest are operating. WHY? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> One day someone will be held responsible for this. Impunity cannot >>>>> last forever. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Ali Hussein* >>>>> >>>>> *Principal* >>>>> >>>>> *Hussein & Associates* >>>>> >>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113 <0713%20601113> >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>>> >>>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>>> >>>>> LinkedIn:http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alih kassim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, >>>>> >>>>> Chiromo Road, Westlands, >>>>> >>>>> Nairobi, Kenya. >>>>> >>>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are >>>>> purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the >>>>> organizations that I work with. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet< >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This may explain why Wangusi had to go. There is a Kemei who is acting >>>>> DG. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mwendwa, to me this reads like ethnic profiling. Not acceptable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30 January 2018 at 16:47, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This may explain why Wangusi had to go. There is a Kemei who is acting >>>>> DG. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We thought Kenya is ahead of other countries to experience a shutdown. >>>>> Think again. We are still in January, and 2022 is 5 years away. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The media too thought they were above board and could not be harassed >>>>> like normal Kenyans. Now the tide has turned. They were complacent in many >>>>> ways before, during, and after the elections. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "... and when they finally came for the media, there was nobody to >>>>> speak up for them" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 30, 2018 2:46 PM, "Tracy Kadesa Adolwa via kictanet" < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have been unable to livestream since Baba arrived, is it me only? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tracy Kadesa, >>>>> >>>>> LL.B ,University of Nairobi. >>>>> >>>>> Dip KSL >>>>> >>>>> legalwalk.wordpress.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Peter Wakaba via kictanet< >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The government simply did not want Kenyans to witness the huge crowds >>>>> that have turned up. AND they are huge. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The BBC and Aljazeerah are offering periodical updates live as well. >>>>> >>>>> KTN NEWS livestream is also still on, though intermittent. >>>>> >>>>> And at this point, it is out of Both Raila and Kalonzo's hands. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Politics aside, the CA physically disconnected terrestrial links at >>>>> Limuru before then systematically switching off most other channels of >>>>> broadcast, fibre connections and satellite are intermittent. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is so sad to see happen in my country Kenya. And at so many >>>>> levels. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I will set aside the constitution and the illegality of the situation >>>>> because am not a constitutional expert of any kind. What I can comment on >>>>> is that this is such a strategic failure by the perpetrators. It is >>>>> actually so shocking that they cannot actually see that this only serves to >>>>> add more fuel to the fire. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is this the caliber of people that we have at the top of our Industry? >>>>> Are they not able to advise the government of how futile it is to attempt >>>>> to shutdown communication in today's world??? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As for the Kenyan Media - you deserve this. You are a greedy and self >>>>> serving lot. Just the other day we heard recordings of a certain journalist >>>>> being threatened. Where was the collective response? Shame on you too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30 January 2018 at 13:34, Wathagi Ndungu via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A creeping back of autocracy. This is outside the perimeter of the >>>>> constitution. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Joy Wathagi Ndungu >>>>> >>>>> Co-Founder, Digital Grassrootswww.digitalgrassroo ts.org >>>>> >>>>> Phone number :*+254706690282* >>>>> >>>>> Alternate Email 1: *joy.w@digitalgrassroots.org*AlternateEmail2:*jndungu@stu >>>>> dentsforliberty.org* >>>>> >>>>> 8638-00300 Nairobi, Kenya >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> www.digitalgrassroots.org >>>>> >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/digit algrassroots/ >>>>> >>>>> https://twitter.com/digigrassr oots >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Jubilee can go ahead and switch off the Sun, FaceBook & Twitter. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At the height of the protests in Egypt, the dictator president, Hosni >>>>> Mubarak, decided to shut down the Internet as well. That did not stop >>>>> Egyptians from remaining Egyptians. >>>>> >>>>> Who triumphed? >>>>> >>>>> Just because an ostrich decides to bury its head in the sand so as not >>>>> to see what is happening around doesn't make it safe for the ostrich. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No need to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30 January 2018 at 11:48, Deborah via kictanet < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> My apologies. I now understand the situation. I'm working away from >>>>> the TV most of the time. This last time I went by I was corrected that the >>>>> decoder has a subscription, and even then NTV, KTN and Citizen were off. It >>>>> seems they defied the ban on broadcasting live political events. My >>>>> question would now be on the justification of the ban. >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> From:Keith Andere via kictanet >>>>> Sent:‎30/‎01/‎2018 11:09 >>>>> To:deborah.wanjugu@gmail.com >>>>> Cc:Keith Andere >>>>> Subject:Re: [kictanet] TV signals turned off >>>>> >>>>> KTN News too. Channels are off on all free to air platforms. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> KTN News and NTV are available on DSTV. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Keith. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30 Jan 2018 10:53, "Sidney Ochieng via kictanet" < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Citizen and NTV. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 at 10:33, Deborah <deborah.wanjugu(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey Sidney, >>>>> >>>>> Which signals have been turned off? I went to check and found them all >>>>> on and transmitting normally with the exception of Citizen. It usually has >>>>> issues on the Startimes decoder. >>>>> >>>>> Deborah >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> From:Sidney Ochieng via kictanet >>>>> Sent:‎30/‎01/‎2018 10:26 >>>>> To:deborah.wanjugu@gmail.com >>>>> Cc:Sidney Ochieng >>>>> Subject:[kictanet] TV signals turned off >>>>> >>>>> Listers, >>>>> >>>>> How long before they come for the internet? I’m so disappointed in the >>>>> CA >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Sidney >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Twitter:@princelySid|*Web:*s idneyochieng.co.ke >>>>> *Skype: *sidney.ochieng | *Github:* princelySid >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Sidney >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Twitter:@princelySid|*Web:*s idneyochieng.co.ke >>>>> *Skype: *sidney.ochieng | *Github:* princelySid >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________ _________________ >>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m ailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTA Net/ >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/kephan d%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>> and regulation. 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Day 8: Policy and Regulatory Framework on Privacy and Data Protection- Key issues
by Grace Bomu 31 Aug '18

31 Aug '18

Dear listers, During the discussion on the draft data protection policy and bill, a summary of issues includes: - Listers recommended that the policy be expanded to look not only into data privacy but also issues to enable a privacy respecting data economy such as skills gap, standards, public funded data, data centers etc. - L isters appreciated the principles for data protection as provided for in the bill and called for ways of translating them into privacy promoting practices within the data economy. For example, there was advocacy for inculcation of data minimisation. - Concerns were raised that if proper mechanisms were not put in place, there was a risk of small data holders such as MSMEs not being able to comply and the bill being a risk to innovation and growth. - Data subject rights as provided for in the bill were viewed as progressive. While there was debate on whether the right to be forgotten should be absolute, listers recommended for this right with regard to research data as well as data about children. - While discussing data processors and controllers, listers debated on data sovereignty and data residency and gave input on how Kenya could be better facilitative of a local data economy. Listers also mused on decisions made through automated means and how developments in artificial intelligence impacted on personal privacy. - On offences, some listers thought that they were not reflective of data economy activities and that while they may be punitive to small players, they were lenient for larger ones. Hence they recommended graduated penalties. Listers also recommended for civil remedies to injured persons under this law. Further, areas that did not have specified penalties, for example not notifying a data subject in case of a breach, were flagged out. - The proposed institutional framework- office of the DPC came with concerns on financing the office, powers of the DPC as well as independence of the office. - Finally, on exemptions, there was a recommendation for more specificity to avoid eating into privacy of data subjects. We shall translate these points, together with those shared during the face to face forum at Strathmore University into submissions to the Task Force. We appreciate all those who gave input, asked questions and followed the discussion to learn. Please point out other areas we may have missed in this summary and ask your questions- At least two members of the Task Force are here to attend to you. -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu @Bomu PGP ID : 0x33A3450F

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Day 7: Policy and Regulatory Framework on Privacy and Data Protection- Exemptions
by Grace Bomu 30 Aug '18

30 Aug '18

Good morning listers, Today we look at other issues in the draft bill that we missed during the discussions. One is the question of exemptions, which are provided for in part vii. The grounds listed for exemption from the provisions of the Act are: national security and public order concerns, lawful disclosure, prevention of crimes, apprehension or prosecution of an offender and assessment or collection of tax. Interestingly, the draft empowers the cabinet secretary to determine national security and public order concerns. (clause 47(3)) Journalism, literature and the arts are also exempted from the principles of data protection. Where a publication is in public interest, the publisher is only required to comply with the relevant code of ethics. Processing and further processing for research, history and statistical purposes is also exempted from the principle of collecting data for a specified purpose. Although the proposed law gives a safeguard through the principle that data must eventually be destroyed, it does not give guidelines on time periods - it states that research data may not be kept indefinitely. Again, the CS is empowered to prescribe further instances when data may be exempted from provisions of the law (clause 50) Finally listers, there are general exemptions in clause 2 of the bill. The law will not apply to sharing of information among government departments/ public sector agencies or to processing by an individual for purely personal business (this is the personal phonebook exemption) Part of public reaction to this draft was that the bill gives with one hand and takes away with the other. Is this an exaggerated view and if so, how can this be cured in the draft? Are there other ways of dealing with the concerns raised in the exemptions (eg national security) without taking away data subject rights? Ultimately, should any data processor/controller be exempt from protecting data? Also, are there other useful exemptions that we are missing? Please share your thoughts on this issue and any other issue from the draft bill. -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu @Bomu PGP ID : 0x33A3450F

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Day 6: Policy and Regulatory Framework on Privacy and Data Protection- Institutional Framework
by Grace Bomu 30 Aug '18

30 Aug '18

Good morning listers, The office of the data protection commissioner (DPC) is established as a state office and is expected to be independent. The DPC will however be appointed by the Cabinet Secretary, ICT. To qualify for the office, one needs to have extensive knowledge in data science, law, IT and related fields and meet requirements on leadership and integrity(Chapter six of the Katiba) The functions of the DPC include: oversight and enforcement of the Act; registration of data processors and controllers; control over data processing activities; promotion of self regulation of actors; investigation of complaints; creation of awareness on the Act; ensure compliance with international obligations; research and related functions from other laws. Powers of the DPC include: investigations; obtain professional assistance if need be; facilitate alternative dispute resolution; issue witness summons; request for information from persons governed by the bill. Further, the DPC may request for data audits (clause 20); appointment of guardian for child online services (clause 29) Apart from the usual sources of funds (allocation by Parliament, donations, grants etc) the bill also states that the office of DPC may be funded by funds accrued in performance of its functions. Some public fears on creation of yet another public body are based on concerns about funding the body, an expectation that registration will mean paying for licences and that there is not sufficient capacity in the country to oversee data protection. The bill however only proposes that DPC issues certificates and does not mention registration fees. To guide our discussion today, questions include: 1. Are the functions and powers of the DPC adequate to implement the law? Are there any overboard provisions? 2. Considering that the government is a major data processor and controller, is the office of the DPC as structured in the bill sufficiently independent? As usual, please point out any good or problematic clauses. Welcome to the discussion -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu @Bomu PGP ID : 0x33A3450F -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu @Bomu PGP ID : 0x33A3450F

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Day 5: Policy and Regulatory Framework on Privacy and Data Protection- Offences and Remedies
by Grace Bomu 28 Aug '18

28 Aug '18

Offences are public in nature and their prosecution and sentencing is carried out through the criminal justice system. Remedies on the other hand may be considered from a civil lens and examples include damages, restitution, coercive (injunctions) and declaratory remedies. They are personal and their aim is to give justice to the injured person. A trend with newer laws is the provision of both offences and remedies. In the copyright law for example, in addition to criminal offences, one can recover profits from pirated material. Back to our bill, the following offences are created: *Offence * *Penalty * Knowingly supplying false information to the data commissioner during registration as a data controller or processor ( clause 15 (3)) General penalty under clause 59: 5 million shillings fine or 5 years imprisonment or both plus possible forfeiture of equipment and prohibition order Data controller or processor failing to notify the data commissioner about a change in particulars (clause 16 (7)) General penalty unlawful processing of personal data (clause 27) 5 million shillings fine or 5 years imprisonment Unlawful processing of sensitive personal data (part v) 5 million shillings fine or 5 years imprisonment Refusing to comply with a notice from the data commissioner or knowingly furnishing the commissioner with false information during investigations (clause 52(3)) General penalty Disclosure of personal data by controller against specified purpose (clause 58 (1)) General penalty Disclosure of personal data by processor without authority of controller (clause 58 (2)) General penalty Obtaining personal data without prior authority of controller or processor (clause 58 (3)(a)) General penalty Disclosure to a third party (clause 58 (3) (b)) General penalty Offer (advertisement) to sell personal data obtained through unlawful disclosure ((clause 58 (4)) General penalty The bill has taken the criminal law track and has not provided remedies targeting persons injured by contravention of the bill. It does however create a complaints mechanism where the public can lodge complaints with the data commissioner. The powers of the commissioner in addressing such complaints are limited to issuing notices.(and we shall be discussing more about the office powers of the data commissioner in due course) Our discussion today is on the question of choosing the offences route as opposed or in addition to the civil route. What are our thoughts on this? Should we have borrowed the pro-rated model of the GDPR where controllers/processors are charged administrative fines according to their revenue? And when we come to offences, are they adequate? Should the magnitude of the offence be measured against the size of the data processor or are all sins equal despite might of the transgressor? Listers, please share your views on these issues. As usual, we welcome identification of good and problematic clauses. Welcome to the discussion. -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu @Bomu PGP ID : 0x33A3450F

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Day 2- Policy and Regulatory Framework on Privacy and Data Protection
by kanini mutemi 28 Aug '18

28 Aug '18

Day 2- Rights of Data Subjects Good morning Listers, Day 1 we commented on the principles of data protection mentioned in the draft policy and bill. Today, we will look at the rights of data subjects. For demonstration purpose, when you fill in your details at a mobile money agent’s shop– You- data subject The mobile money agent- data processor The data subject is the person to whom the data concerns. Here are the rights as listed in Clause 23 of the Bill. I have added comments underneath to help us visualise what these rights would mean in the future. 1. The right to be informed of the use to which the personal data is to be put Eg. When we leave our details at the entrance to buildings, I expect that they will explain what the data will be used for. 2. Right to access their personal data in custody of data controller Will we be able to demand from our mobile network operators to see our account details and transactional history? 3. Object to the collection or processing of all or part of their personal data Will we be able to opt out of the biometric ID registration proposed by the Ministry of ICT here <https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/economy/Biometric-IDs-listing-set-for-t…>? 4. Correction and deletion of false or misleading data Are we ready for a right to be forgotten? Should it be absolute? What do we think of these Listers? Are there other rights that ought to be included?

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Day 4: Policy and Regulatory Framework on Privacy and Data Protection- Data Controllers and Processors
by Grace Bomu 28 Aug '18

28 Aug '18

Good morning listers! Welcome to data protection bill/policy discussions. Last week, we went through the principles of data protection and rights of data subjects. We covered the right to privacy in its different forms including the right to be forgotten and consent. Today, we shift gears a bit and consider the issue of data protection from the point of the *processor and controller*. The bill defines a controller as one who designs data processing and the processor as one who collects, stores, retrieves , discloses, erases etc on behalf of a controller. General obligations for controllers and processors are listed in part IV and they include upholding the principles of data protection, protecting the rights of the data subject, duty to notify the subject about processing and breaches, acquisition of consent and security safeguards as regards personal data. It would be interesting to hear from data controllers and processors, views on: 1. restrictions on processing personal data (clause 30) where processors may not process data objected by the data subject or which has legal claims.What are the practical implications of restrictions? For example, if one company or government agency received a large number of objections in one period? 2. the protection of data subjects from profiling (clause 31). While we have seen negative effects of profiling during the political season, are there positives of profiling that could benefit the data subject and does this bill adequately balance both ends? 3. the bill makes it mandatory to notify data subjects in case of breach. How will this change sectors such as banking where issues of data breaches are never discussed with customers or the public in order to protect the confidence of the industry? 4. Finally, on the issue of sensitive personal data, which is subject to higher protection. Sensitive personal data includes person’s race, health status, ethnic social origin, political opinion, belief, personal preferences, location, genetic data, biometrics, sex life or sexual orientation. What are the practical implications for existing data sets held by for instance the registrar of persons, universities, schools, insurance companies etc? Is the list proposed by the bill exhaustive? The Senate bill for example defines categories such as trade union membership as sensitive data. Welcome to the discussion. Please point out any issues in the bill that are either very good and should be retained or problematic and should be improved. Tujadiliane. -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu @Bomu PGP ID : 0x33A3450F

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Day 1- Policy and Regulatory Framework on Privacy and Data Protection
by kanini mutemi 28 Aug '18

28 Aug '18

Day 1- Principles of Data Protection Dear Listers, As GG had indicated on Monday, we will hold online moderated discussions on the policy and regulatory framework on privacy and data protection. I will kick us off with a discussion on the proposed principles of data protection (Part 5 of the draft policy and Part IV of the draft bill). There are seven proposed principles– (a) Fairness, lawfulness and transparency (b) Purpose limitation (c) Data minimisation (d) Storage limitation (e) Accuracy (f) Confidentiality and Integrity (g) Accountability To begin with, I welcome comments on -what is your first impression of the principles? -why do we need to set out principles? -are the principles clearly defined in the draft policy and bill? Tujadiliane! -- Mercy Mutemi.

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Data Protection and GDPR Training
by Mercy Njue 27 Aug '18

27 Aug '18

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Pilots, Pivots, Innovation and the corporate crutch
by Mbugua Njihia 27 Aug '18

27 Aug '18

Models of production and consumption are changing the world over. New market segments are also opening up due to the availability of broader choice and wallet capacity, driving lifestyle decisions. To this end many startups are emerging across industries either rethinking traditional ways of work or building out entirely new ways to create and present value. These tectonics can happen slowly or come as a short, sharp shock. Having been part of the start-up scene for many years in different capacities, I have noted the transition from the initial David and Goliath narrative where it was the start-up entrepreneur and team against the corporate juggernauts in a winner takes all, to one of partnership and collaboration albeit measured and cautious for the most part. The realization that both the incumbent and start-up need each other, especially so in emerging markets where greenfield opportunities would deliver terrific returns on investment on the back of new and stable technology and sometime low regulatory barriers is refreshing. Full thought - http://www.mbuguanjihia.com/business/pilots-pivots-innovation-and-the-corpo… *Regards,* Mbugua Njihia ᐧ

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Re: [kictanet] Invitation to Data Protection Forum and Submission of Comments to Kenya Data Protection Bills (Thursday 23 August, 2018)
by Ephraim Percy Kenyanito 22 Aug '18

22 Aug '18

Dear partner , Greetings from ARTICLE 19 Eastern Africa. ARTICLE 19 in partnership with the *Centre for Intellectual Property and Information Technology*Law (*CIPIT*- Strathmore University Law School) and Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) seek to convene a one day Data Protection Dialogue Forum from *8**am – 5:30pm*on /*Thursday 23 August, 2018). */ While, the Constitution of Kenya, 2010 guarantees freedom of expression and the right to privacy, under Article 31 and 33; Kenya lacks a legally binding comprehensive data protection framework while also retaining laws which are broad and can be used to infringe on privacy on citizen data. The lack of a comprehensive data protection law and existence of laws that can be broadly interpreted to allow for free collection of personal data, storage, usage, and dissemination to other parties has created a situation where citizens are not notified whenever their data is collected and do not have remedies whenever their data is breached on unnecessarily retained by both public and private actors. We note that the ICT committees of the Senate led by Hon Gideon Moi has drafted a Data Protection Bill 2018 and similarly, the Ministry of ICT Taskforce on the Development of the Policy and Regulatory Framework for Privacy and Data Protection in Kenya, chaired by Communications Authority’s Mercy Wanjau has developed a Policy and a draft Data Protection Bill aimed at a Regulatory Framework for Privacy and Data Protection in Kenya and to fill this gap. Please find below the links to the Data Protection Policy and Ministry Bill and the Senate Bill. http://jadili.ictpolicy.org/docs/privacy-and-data-protection-policy-and-bil… http://jadili.ictpolicy.org/docs/the-data-protection-bill,-2018-ch9IKrCm It is with this in mind that the 3 partner organizations and will be meeting multiple data protection experts, lawyers, academia/ data scientists, CSOs, journalists and bloggers to collate recommendations for policy reform on from *8**am – 5:30pm*on /*Thursday 23 August, 2018)*/at Strathmore Law School. Kindly confirm your availability at your earliest convenience to _ephraim(a)article19.org <mailto:ephraim@article19.org>_ Please note that even though you might not be able to participate physically, you can nominate a representative or comment on this bills and Policy via the links above. We look forward to your participation. Best regards, -- Best Regards, Ephraim Percy Kenyanito Digital Programme Officer *ARTICLE 19 EASTERN AFRICA * *DEFENDING FREEDOM **OF EXPRESSION AND INFORMATION* W _https://www.article19.org/regional-office/eastern-africa/ _Tw @article19eafric Fa_facebook.com/article19org <http://facebook.com/article19org> _PGP Fingerprint: B0FA394AF73DEB7AA1FDC7360CFED26DE6BA8DC1

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Re: [kictanet] Day 1- Policy and Regulatory Framework on Privacy and Data Protection
by Kiarie Wagitungo 22 Aug '18

22 Aug '18

Dear Kanini, I am still reading the law. It takes time. But I am wondering, is consent a principle? I hope it is captured in the bill. Yours, Gerishon On Wednesday, 22 August 2018, kanini mutemi <kaninimutemi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: kanini mutemi <kaninimutemi(a)gmail.com> > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 at 09:11 > Subject: Day 1- Policy and Regulatory Framework on Privacy and Data > Protection > To: > > Cc: Mercy Sumbi <mercy(a)mutemisumbi.com> > > > *Day 1- Principles of Data Protection * > > Dear Listers, > > As GG had indicated on Monday, we will hold online moderated discussions > on the policy and regulatory framework on privacy and data protection. I > will kick us off with a discussion on the proposed principles of data > protection (Part 5 of the draft policy and Part IV of the draft bill). > > There are seven proposed principles– > > > > > > > > *(a) Fairness, lawfulness and transparency(b) Purpose limitation(c) Data > minimisation (d) Storage limitation (e) Accuracy(f) Confidentiality and > Integrity (g) Accountability* > To begin with, I welcome comments on > > *-what is your first impression of the principles?* > > *-why do we need to set out principles?* > > *-are the principles clearly defined in the draft policy and bill?* > > Tujadiliane! > -- > *Mercy Mutemi.* > > -- > *Mercy Mutemi, Advocate*. > > > >

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21 Aug '18

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Online moderated discussion on the Policy and Regulatory framework on Privacy and Data Protection
by Grace Githaiga 20 Aug '18

20 Aug '18

Good afternoon Listers As a follow up to an earlier email where I shared the _Policy and Regulatory Framework on Privacy and Data Protection _ (https://www.kictanet.or.ke/?wpdmpro=policy-and-regulatory-framework-on-priv…) I wish to invite all listers to participate in the online moderated debate which will take place over a period of seven days. The Data and Privac framework was developed by a task force constituted by the Minister of ICT in May. Our Grace Bomu and Mercy Mutemi will lead us in the discussion starting which will commence on Wednesday August 22, 2018. Please see the proposed schedule. We look forward to your active participation. Asanteni sana. Date Topic 20 Aug Intro to list * Structure of the discussion * Reference to DP brief Wed 22 Aug Principles of data protection Thur 23 Aug Rights of data subjects Friday 24 Aug Rights of data subjects: II Monday 27 Aug Obligations of processors and controllers Tues 28 Aug Offences and remedies Wed 29 Aug Institutional framework Thur 30 Aug Comments for Way Forward Fri 31 Aug Key findings Best regards Githaiga, Grace Co-Convenor Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) Twitter:@ggithaiga Tel: 254722701495 Skype: gracegithaiga Alternate email: ggithaiga(a)hotmail.com Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegithaiga www.kictanet.or.ke "Change only happens when ordinary people get involved, get engaged and come together to demand it. I am asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about change – but in yours"---Barrack Obama.

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How China is working to overtake the internet and butt heads with the U.S. - Axios
by WANGARI KABIRU 18 Aug '18

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Introduction to Network Operations course- Free online course
by Mercy Njue 18 Aug '18

18 Aug '18

Greetings, Botlab has partnered with ISOC to offer a free online course- Introduction to Network Operations course ( September Cohort Registration). The courses are free and anyone can apply. Those who complete this course will be allowed to take on the Network service and monitoring course. If you are interested, check the links below: *Introduction to Network Operations course * Course outline and prerequisites click here <https://isoc-inforum.afrinic.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Introduction%20to…> Sign up sheet, click here <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeq-stz_l6BC6SFYJzFByHa9Jz_DdEusP9…> *Network Services and Monitoring course* Course outline and prerequisites click here <https://isoc-inforum.afrinic.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Network%20Service…> -- Mercy Njue Founder Botlab Botlab Physical Address: Ngong hills Hotel along Ngong road, 5th Floor Office line: +254 700 915197 Mobile: +254 729758 701 Email: Mercy(a)botlab.biz *Endless possibilities :* www.botlab.biz *"* What we are is God's gift to us. What we become is our gift to God. - Eleanor Powell

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Telcos CEOs on the spot in push to declare Safaricom dominant
by Ali Hussein 18 Aug '18

18 Aug '18

Listers This talk of Dominance is getting tiring.. Telco CEOs on the spot for pushing Safaricom Dominance narrative <https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/economy/Telcos-CEOs-on-the-spot-in-push…> Regards *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *AHK & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.

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Kenya Wins Top Africa ICT seat
by Alwala, Rachel 18 Aug '18

18 Aug '18

Dear listers, Kenya’s Mr. John Omo has today been elected the new Secretary General of the African Telecommunications Union (ATU). Out of the 26 votes, Mr.Omo garnered 23 beating his sole challenge, Burundi’s Mr. Constaque Hakizimana who managed two (2) votes at elections held today during the 5th Ordinary Session of the ATU Plenipotentiary Conference in Nairobi. One vote was spoilt. Attached is the press release on the same as well as the Nairobi Declaration by the African menus states at the end of the ATU Plenipotentiary Conference today. Attached too are images of Mr.Omo giving his acceptance speech and receiving the instruments of office from the outgoing Secretary general Mr.Abdoulkarim Soumaila We thank you for your continued support. I Regards, Rachel

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya Wins Top Africa ICT seat
by ceo 18 Aug '18

18 Aug '18

Congrats Mr. Omo! May God give you wisdom in your new position. Regards, Abdalla On Aug 17, 2018 10:18 PM, "Alwala, Rachel via kictanet" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Dear listers, > > Kenya’s Mr. John Omo has today been elected the new Secretary General of the African Telecommunications Union (ATU). > > Out of the 26 votes, Mr.Omo garnered 23 beating his sole challenge, Burundi’s Mr. Constaque Hakizimana who managed two (2) votes at elections held today during the 5th Ordinary Session of the ATU Plenipotentiary Conference in Nairobi. One vote was spoilt. Attached is the press release on the same as well as the Nairobi Declaration by the African menus states at the end of the ATU Plenipotentiary Conference today. > > Attached too are images of Mr.Omo giving his acceptance speech and receiving the instruments of office from the outgoing Secretary general Mr.Abdoulkarim Soumaila > > We thank you for your continued support. I > >

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Why local funding is critical for ICT projects
by S.M. Muraya 17 Aug '18

17 Aug '18

Last week Walu penned some very pertinent thoughts (will create a second thread for that article). The current one is somehow related https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/Why-local-funding-critic… Quote: "What is this that foreign investors see in our ICT potential that local investors don’t? Additionally, what are the ‘strings’ attached, which more often than not go hand in hand with foreign money... our typical local investor is only interested in the traditional assets.." Reality: We (veterans in ignoring/undermining each other) did not model decency for upcoming talent and now they worship foreigners who due to cultural differences (misunderstanding) cannot move our nation forward. https://businesstech.co.za/news/cloud-hosting/251373/amazon-and-microsoft-t… Case in point, why do excellent multi nationals (e.g. Microsoft, Amazon) favor South Africa for data centers? In South Africa there is an efficient, creative (primarily white) minority population which does not undermine (deceive) itself as much as we do. To conclude, last year, a well spoken, well presented employer/investor (former high school mate of mine 25+ years ago) was shocked by Kenyans in their early twenties. He conducted a research for one of his clients and 24 out of 26 lied in their submissions. That is all.

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