July 2016 - KICTANet

Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
by awatila＠yahoo.co.uk 07 Jul '16

07 Jul '16

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Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 110, Issue 85
by Stellar Murumba 07 Jul '16

07 Jul '16

Allow me to share this *"Until you dig a hole, you plant a tree, you water it and make it survive, you haven't done a thing. You are just talking."Wangari MaathaiFounder, Greenbelt Movement and Nobel Laureate P** THINK GREEN. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to!* On 6 July 2016 at 23:32, Kelvin Mutuma via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > [image: Boxbe] <https://www.boxbe.com/overview> This message is eligible > for Automatic Cleanup! (kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke) Add cleanup rule > <https://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Fkey…> > | More info > <http://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=26004767399…> > > Here is something I shared on the NairobiGNU mailing list before I joined > this forum. > > If this bill existed in some countries, including the USA. We would > probably not have the following companies > > 1. *Apple* - Started by Steve Jobs who dropped out of college. > 2. *Microsoft* - Started by Bill Gates who dropped out of Harvard. Paul > Allen the co-founder was also a dropout > 3. *Facebook* - Started by Mark Zuckerberg who dropped out of Havard > 4. *Dell* - Started by Micheal Dell who dropped out of University of > Texas. > 5. *Twitter, Square* - The current CEO, Jack Dorsey who dropped out of > NYU. Twitter co-founder Evan Williams also dropped out of college. > 6. *Oracle* - Larry Elison dropped out of University of Chicago. > 7. *Plaxo, Napster, Airtime *- Formed by Sean Parker who never attended > college. He was also an early employee of Facebook > 8. *WhatsApp* - Jan Koum, the founder is also a drop out of San Jose > State University > 9. *Asana* - Dustin Moskovitz who was also the first employee of facebook > dropped out of Harvard in his sophomore year. > 10. *Nintendo* - The 3rd president, Hiroshi Yamauchi, a dropout of Waseda > University was responsible for converting the then small card-making > company to a gaming powerhouse > 11. *Valve Corporation* - Gabe Newell was a havard dropout. Valve is > responsible for the Half-Life game series and Gabe was also the founder of > Steam. > 12. *Wipro* - Azim Premji was a dropout at Stanford. He later went back > to finish school after he was tired of being called a "College Dropout" > 13. *Tumblr* - David Karp founded this at 15 > 14. *Digg* - Kevin Rose, dropped out of the University of Nevada. > 15. *Reddit* - co-founder, Aaron Hillel Swartz was a drop out. We was > also a major contributer to Creative Common license, the markdown standard > and RSS which has revolutionalized how we get news. > 16. *Bittorrent* - Bram Cohen dropped out of SUNY Buffalo > 17. *Threadless*, the community based t-shirt company > 18. *Disney* - Walt Disney was a drop out. > > > I am sure I have missed a few more large companies. > Not to mention the thousands of contributors to open source and people > working in both large and small IT firms that are in high school, currently > in college and those that dropped out. Also other ‘uncertified’ people that > were part of the founding teams of these companies that we’ve never heard > of. > > > On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:20 PM, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: > > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views (Harry Delano) > 2. Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's View (Paul Korir) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 21:54:00 +0300 > From: Harry Delano <harry26001(a)gmail.com> > To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views > Message-ID: > <CAFOGoAWcbfeb4HFwzuE0jaVf+FuAbCdZkG0aer1tyOPXvX-2mw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Always good to have you back, Bwana Daktari. We miss your valuable & > insightful contributions of yore.. > > I was just about to respond to Kulubi's contribution, when your post came > up. It aptly sums it up..! In an earlier post I alluded to some 14 years > that have been nothing short of a truly amazing, tremendous story in the > ICT space, why..? Because during this time, the previously heavily > regulated space opened up and was liberalized and from there on, there was > no looking back, and everyone can attest to the achievements to date in the > sector. Again why..? Because, while those with regulatory mandate and > oversight had all within their power to further stifle innovation and > growth, they instead wisely chose to only promote a regulatory framework > that sought to create an enabling environment for this space to thrive. And > towards this, you played your rightful role, facilitating and engaging > constantly with stakeholders even right here on this forum. With one > single stroke of a pen, we can build on or lay to waste post-haste what we > achieved over the period. So be forewarned.. But again, who is listening > out here..?? > > > Thanks James for putting the whole bill into perspective.. > > Regards, > Harry > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Bitange Ndemo via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Here we shall kill innovation and set ourselves back to 25 years ago. > Good people, let us stop this by all means. > > > Ndemo. > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:41 PM, James Kulubi via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > The fact that the Bill has been presented to Parliament before the ICT > Policy review process is completed means that it will be very difficult to > administer it when enacted into law. Usually, the policy sets vision and > mission for the sector for a foreseeable future. The policy may have a > human resource development component. The policy is then implemented > through legislation, government budget and regulations. When I read the > reason and memorandum of the bill, the only policy statement that I can see > is ?to establish a legal framework for the training, registration, > licensing, practice and standards of Information Communication Technology > (ICT) professionals in Kenya.? > The ICT practitioners bill therefore creates some unusual situation. > Those who can remember, we in the ICT sector faced a similar situation in > the period 2005 ? 2007. There were many people supporting the legislation > of the Media Bill but there were serious disagreements on the media council > membership; licensing of media practitioners; the role of the government; > the role of the media owners; regulation of print and electronic media, > offences, and the financing of the Council. > The government, for instance, while supporting the establishment of the > Media Council, did not want the Council to be financed from foreign > sources. On the other hand, some media practitioners did not want to be > financed by the government. The middle ground was funding by member > subscriptions and accreditation. This too was opposed by many media > practitioners. > Eventually, a policy was developed through public consultation covering > such aspects as media ownership, accreditation of journalists, code of > conduct of journalists and the broadcasting code, etc. > In my view the policy informing the ICT professional bill should have > borrowed heavily from the outcome of current ICT policy review process and > been subjected to wider stakeholder consultation. The following issues, for > instance, require wider consultation. > 1. The definition provided for ICT practitioner which I quote ?ICT > practitioner (ICTP)" means a person registered under this Act as an ICT > practitioner who is also licensed under section 20 to practice? is vague, > misleading and may be viewed as discriminating. > 2. Many ICT professionals qualify or are already registered by other > organizations. These include those in fields like Telecommunication > Engineering, Computer Engineering, Medical Information Systems, financial > information systems, etc. > 3. The eligibility for registration which is stated as ?holder of at > least a bachelor's degree in an ICT related field from a recognized > university,? is vague and can be abused. Already, we have other fields like > engineering where applicants for registration are suffering due to this > condition. Graduates from countries like USSR which offer MSc as first > degrees cannot be registered. Similarly, those with Higher National Diploma > who have gone ahead to get MSc and even PhD cannot be registered! Further, > in some universities like Maseno all degree programmes have an extension > ?with ICT.? How will the Council treat these degrees? > 4. Technologists have drafted another bill which is before Parliament. > How will the Technologists bill co-exist with the ICT practitioners bill? > 5. There are many institutions carrying out institutional accreditation > and certification of ICT practitioners. How will such accreditation and > certification be treated by the Council? > Best regards, > Prof. James Kulubi > > > On Wednesday, 6 July 2016, 19:10, Wangari Kabiru via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > Blessed Wednesday! > A handshake to the 2014 article! > There is a great opportunity for Techies to take their rightful place as > professionals and be invited to give valued contributions to the nation > building table. > As I said earlier, non-Techs will be there. Perhaps another > classification within the broader "ICT Professional". > *ICT Practitioners - sounds like a very broad term to attempt to compact > and create shared guidelines/standards. > On the said ICT Practitioners Bill - it seems that part of the issue is > with regard to who is/are behind it. All in all, to have gotten a hearing, > it means this is an organised group. > Which is perhaps what this community might seek to engage with and build > together before "shooting the innovator". > Blessed day. > Regards/Wangari > On Jul 6, 2016 15:47, Alex Watila via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Thanks Walu, > What is the way forward on the bill? > > Regards, > > Alex > > > *From:* Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM > *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis(a)gmail.com>; Alex Watila < > awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk> > *Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views > > @Alex, @Muthuri, > > Thnx for 'bursting' me @ > > > > http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208f… > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jkulubi%40yahoo.co.uk > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bndemo%40bitangendemo… > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry26001%40gmail.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > >

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Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
by Harry 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Hey Alex, Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector. So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..? Harry On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Walu, > Do you need to defend yourself? > > http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208f… > > Regards, > > Alex > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM > To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001(a)gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' <muthuridennis(a)gmail.com> > Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions > > Dear All, > I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws." > > It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority. > > Regards, > > Alex > https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash > > > -----Original Message----- > From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM > To: awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk > Cc: Harry <harry26001(a)gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions > > Hey Dennis, > > Welcome on board..! > > The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings. > > Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'.. > > Harry > > On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > > Hi Hary, > > > > Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Dennis > >> > >> On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: > >> > >> Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions > > > > > > Dennis Muthuri Mburugu > > Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awatila%40yahoo.co.uk > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >

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Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 110, Issue 85
by Kelvin Mutuma 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Here is something I shared on the NairobiGNU mailing list before I joined this forum. If this bill existed in some countries, including the USA. We would probably not have the following companies 1. Apple - Started by Steve Jobs who dropped out of college. 2. Microsoft - Started by Bill Gates who dropped out of Harvard. Paul Allen the co-founder was also a dropout 3. Facebook - Started by Mark Zuckerberg who dropped out of Havard 4. Dell - Started by Micheal Dell who dropped out of University of Texas. 5. Twitter, Square - The current CEO, Jack Dorsey who dropped out of NYU. Twitter co-founder Evan Williams also dropped out of college. 6. Oracle - Larry Elison dropped out of University of Chicago. 7. Plaxo, Napster, Airtime - Formed by Sean Parker who never attended college. He was also an early employee of Facebook 8. WhatsApp - Jan Koum, the founder is also a drop out of San Jose State University 9. Asana - Dustin Moskovitz who was also the first employee of facebook dropped out of Harvard in his sophomore year. 10. Nintendo - The 3rd president, Hiroshi Yamauchi, a dropout of Waseda University was responsible for converting the then small card-making company to a gaming powerhouse 11. Valve Corporation - Gabe Newell was a havard dropout. Valve is responsible for the Half-Life game series and Gabe was also the founder of Steam. 12. Wipro - Azim Premji was a dropout at Stanford. He later went back to finish school after he was tired of being called a "College Dropout" 13. Tumblr - David Karp founded this at 15 14. Digg - Kevin Rose, dropped out of the University of Nevada. 15. Reddit - co-founder, Aaron Hillel Swartz was a drop out. We was also a major contributer to Creative Common license, the markdown standard and RSS which has revolutionalized how we get news. 16. Bittorrent - Bram Cohen dropped out of SUNY Buffalo 17. Threadless, the community based t-shirt company 18. Disney - Walt Disney was a drop out. I am sure I have missed a few more large companies. Not to mention the thousands of contributors to open source and people working in both large and small IT firms that are in high school, currently in college and those that dropped out. Also other ‘uncertified’ people that were part of the founding teams of these companies that we’ve never heard of. > On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:20 PM, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: > > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views (Harry Delano) > 2. Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's View (Paul Korir) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 21:54:00 +0300 > From: Harry Delano <harry26001(a)gmail.com> > To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views > Message-ID: > <CAFOGoAWcbfeb4HFwzuE0jaVf+FuAbCdZkG0aer1tyOPXvX-2mw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Always good to have you back, Bwana Daktari. We miss your valuable & > insightful contributions of yore.. > > I was just about to respond to Kulubi's contribution, when your post came > up. It aptly sums it up..! In an earlier post I alluded to some 14 years > that have been nothing short of a truly amazing, tremendous story in the > ICT space, why..? Because during this time, the previously heavily > regulated space opened up and was liberalized and from there on, there was > no looking back, and everyone can attest to the achievements to date in the > sector. Again why..? Because, while those with regulatory mandate and > oversight had all within their power to further stifle innovation and > growth, they instead wisely chose to only promote a regulatory framework > that sought to create an enabling environment for this space to thrive. And > towards this, you played your rightful role, facilitating and engaging > constantly with stakeholders even right here on this forum. With one > single stroke of a pen, we can build on or lay to waste post-haste what we > achieved over the period. So be forewarned.. But again, who is listening > out here..?? > > > Thanks James for putting the whole bill into perspective.. > > Regards, > Harry > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Bitange Ndemo via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> Here we shall kill innovation and set ourselves back to 25 years ago. >> Good people, let us stop this by all means. >> >> >> Ndemo. >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:41 PM, James Kulubi via kictanet < >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >>> The fact that the Bill has been presented to Parliament before the ICT >>> Policy review process is completed means that it will be very difficult to >>> administer it when enacted into law. Usually, the policy sets vision and >>> mission for the sector for a foreseeable future. The policy may have a >>> human resource development component. The policy is then implemented >>> through legislation, government budget and regulations. When I read the >>> reason and memorandum of the bill, the only policy statement that I can see >>> is ?to establish a legal framework for the training, registration, >>> licensing, practice and standards of Information Communication Technology >>> (ICT) professionals in Kenya.? >>> The ICT practitioners bill therefore creates some unusual situation. >>> Those who can remember, we in the ICT sector faced a similar situation in >>> the period 2005 ? 2007. There were many people supporting the legislation >>> of the Media Bill but there were serious disagreements on the media council >>> membership; licensing of media practitioners; the role of the government; >>> the role of the media owners; regulation of print and electronic media, >>> offences, and the financing of the Council. >>> The government, for instance, while supporting the establishment of the >>> Media Council, did not want the Council to be financed from foreign >>> sources. On the other hand, some media practitioners did not want to be >>> financed by the government. The middle ground was funding by member >>> subscriptions and accreditation. This too was opposed by many media >>> practitioners. >>> Eventually, a policy was developed through public consultation covering >>> such aspects as media ownership, accreditation of journalists, code of >>> conduct of journalists and the broadcasting code, etc. >>> In my view the policy informing the ICT professional bill should have >>> borrowed heavily from the outcome of current ICT policy review process and >>> been subjected to wider stakeholder consultation. The following issues, for >>> instance, require wider consultation. >>> 1. The definition provided for ICT practitioner which I quote ?ICT >>> practitioner (ICTP)" means a person registered under this Act as an ICT >>> practitioner who is also licensed under section 20 to practice? is vague, >>> misleading and may be viewed as discriminating. >>> 2. Many ICT professionals qualify or are already registered by other >>> organizations. These include those in fields like Telecommunication >>> Engineering, Computer Engineering, Medical Information Systems, financial >>> information systems, etc. >>> 3. The eligibility for registration which is stated as ?holder of at >>> least a bachelor's degree in an ICT related field from a recognized >>> university,? is vague and can be abused. Already, we have other fields like >>> engineering where applicants for registration are suffering due to this >>> condition. Graduates from countries like USSR which offer MSc as first >>> degrees cannot be registered. Similarly, those with Higher National Diploma >>> who have gone ahead to get MSc and even PhD cannot be registered! Further, >>> in some universities like Maseno all degree programmes have an extension >>> ?with ICT.? How will the Council treat these degrees? >>> 4. Technologists have drafted another bill which is before Parliament. >>> How will the Technologists bill co-exist with the ICT practitioners bill? >>> 5. There are many institutions carrying out institutional accreditation >>> and certification of ICT practitioners. How will such accreditation and >>> certification be treated by the Council? >>> Best regards, >>> Prof. James Kulubi >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, 6 July 2016, 19:10, Wangari Kabiru via kictanet < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Blessed Wednesday! >>> A handshake to the 2014 article! >>> There is a great opportunity for Techies to take their rightful place as >>> professionals and be invited to give valued contributions to the nation >>> building table. >>> As I said earlier, non-Techs will be there. Perhaps another >>> classification within the broader "ICT Professional". >>> *ICT Practitioners - sounds like a very broad term to attempt to compact >>> and create shared guidelines/standards. >>> On the said ICT Practitioners Bill - it seems that part of the issue is >>> with regard to who is/are behind it. All in all, to have gotten a hearing, >>> it means this is an organised group. >>> Which is perhaps what this community might seek to engage with and build >>> together before "shooting the innovator". >>> Blessed day. >>> Regards/Wangari >>> On Jul 6, 2016 15:47, Alex Watila via kictanet < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Walu, >>> What is the way forward on the bill? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> >>> *From:* Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com] >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM >>> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis(a)gmail.com>; Alex Watila < >>> awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>> *Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views >>> >>> @Alex, @Muthuri, >>> >>> Thnx for 'bursting' me @ >>> >>> >>> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208f… >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jkulubi%40yahoo.co.uk >>> >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>> >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bndemo%40bitangendemo… >>> >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>> >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry26001%40gmail.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> >

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's View
by Paul Korir 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

This is sheer madness! We already have legislation (unconstitutional at that) requiring licensing of any kind of research (Science, Technology and Innovation Act of 2015, Article 12). Was this new dispensation aimed at regulating every liberty we have even those that are natural? Regulation always opens the door for bureaucratic abuse. This stinks of the same colonial attitude that prevented indigenous people from growing cash crops. Whoever came up with this bill was of the mindset 'if you can't innovate then ride in their coat tails'! Please can someone stop this madness?! With kind regards, Paul K Korir, PhD Ordnung muß sein > On 6 Jul 2016, at 19:44, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: > > Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's View

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
by Wangari Kabiru 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Blessed Wednesday! A handshake to the 2014 article! There is a great opportunity for Techies to take their rightful place as professionals and be invited to give valued contributions to the nation building table. As I said earlier, non-Techs will be there. Perhaps another classification within the broader "ICT Professional". *ICT Practitioners - sounds like a very broad term to attempt to compact and create shared guidelines/standards. On the said ICT Practitioners Bill - it seems that part of the issue is with regard to who is/are behind it. All in all, to have gotten a hearing, it means this is an organised group. Which is perhaps what this community might seek to engage with and build together before "shooting the innovator". Blessed day. Regards/WangariOn Jul 6, 2016 15:47, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Thanks Walu, > > What is the way forward on the bill? > > > > Regards, > > > > Alex > > > > > > From: Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM > To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Cc: Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis(a)gmail.com>; Alex Watila <awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views > > > > @Alex, @Muthuri, > > > > Thnx for 'bursting' me @ >>> >>> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208f…

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Resource Alert: DIY Transparency Tool
by Nanjira Sambuli 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

(Apologies of already shared.) " The DIY Transparency Report tool helps smaller organizations produce holistic transparency reports. Such reports comprehensively explain to customers, citizens, and government agencies alike how an organization retains data, its policies for disclosing information to government agencies, and the regularity at which it does disclose information to such agencies. The tool is designed to guide organizations through the process of developing their own holistic report, while empowering them to customize their reports to reflect their organizational profile. And, critically, the tool is entirely open source and operates where the organization decides, so sensitive information is never disclosed to another party until the organization makes that decision." More at https://citizenlab.org/2016/06/release-diy-transparency-report-tool/ Regards, Nanjira. Sent from my iPhone.

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Re: [kictanet] KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE
by Stellar Murumba 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Haha I like this one Ahmed. If someone can still deliver to the core even without a degree, does his level of education really matter? Convince me... Sent from my iPhone > On 6 Jul 2016, at 6:25 AM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke) Add cleanup rule | More info > Perhaps the other simple question should be: If this was to happen. Shouldn't the ICT Ministry and ICT Authority get directly involved? > > I also have one more concern. With the technology arena, why are we going back to hacking Degrees and Diplomas as a pre-requisite to be a fully qualified practitioner? No offence, but doesn't that disqualify Bill Gates and Steve Jobs? > >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Erick Mwangi via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> Wow seems this has morphed tremendously.. >> >> I agree re-Twitter, it will create the necessary traction needed. >> >> Regards, >> >> Eric >> >>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> Hi Listers, >>> >>> If you desire to take this to Twitter in protest, kindly use the hashtag #KillTheICTBill >>> >>> Thanks Mr Mwendwa for those sentiments. Very insightful. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>>> On 5 Jul 2016, at 10:44 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva(a)transworldafrica.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, I have read the bill so that I cannot say "nilisomewa". It's quite short and I encourage everybody who is affected by it to read it. >>>> >>>> Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: >>>> 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute >>>> 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all ICT practitioners in Kenya? >>>> 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT practitioners on payment of annual fees. >>>> 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration as an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of them graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small way. >>>> 5. You must have five years experience to practice ICT. >>>> 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of permission-less innovation >>>> 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered by the Institute and has paid annual membership. >>>> 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT services, unless such person is licensed under this Act. >>>> >>>> So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed. >>>> >>>> Well this bill affects all techies and consultants alike. The bill makes it illegal to practice your trade without being licensed. It's preposterous at best, morally criminal maybe. It locks out opportunities for the young passionate innovators who do wonders without ever stepping in college. ICT allows these young fellows permission-less innovation. They sit behind a computer and write beautiful code that changes the world. It is heart-aching that those who thrived in an open dynamic ICT environment in Kenya now want to lock up the industry as a preserve of the few. Washindwe kabisa. >>>> >>>> Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your cool. We will deliver our petition to the relevant offices. >>>> >>>> Peace. >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________ >>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 5 July 2016 at 22:16, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> Hi Listers, >>>>> >>>>> This is a google doc(https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lZ8m3WSH2JQSzTMBC8bkLRH8y2zzjyM9Tzu… that has been created by Nanjira(https://twitter.com/NiNanjira). Kindly fill it with all questions you have regarding the Bill. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dennis Muthuri Mburugu >>>>> Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kivuva%40transworldaf… >>>>> >>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>> >>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>> >>> Dennis Muthuri Mburugu >>> Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/erick.mwangi%40gmail.… >>> >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>> >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ultimateprogramer%40g… >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > > > -- > Ahmed Maawy > Executive Director - SwahiliBox / M-Power (CBO) > Curator - Global Shapers Mombasa Hub > Ambassador - Open Knowledge > Director - Startup Grind Mombasa > Software Developer - AJ+ / EveryLayer > (KE) +254 714 960 627 > Skype: ultimateprogramer > > swahilibox.co.ke > globalshapers.org > www.okfn.org > startupgrind.com > ajplus.net > www.everylayer.com > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nstellarnelly%40gmail… > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for license to practice!
by Dennis Muthuri 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Hi Listers, There's a figure of 46k per year quoted in the header above. I would appreciate if the person who stated that would clarify where they got the figure from, given the bill doesn't state a figure. Regards. On 6 Jul 2016 10:31 am, <kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions > (Harry Delano) > 2. Re: Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for > license to practice! (Alex Watila) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 09:26:06 +0300 > From: Harry Delano <harry26001(a)gmail.com> > To: Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online > Discussions > Message-ID: > < > CAFOGoAW706Q7_A7zzkG3+o6JfB2STpvJ3hSF5AagmiPnsyXEPQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello Walu, > > Clearly the furore this is generating now, is such an "unnecessary" > distraction at a time when the stakeholder community's focus has been > solely on the draft policy blue print. Why, pray, wasn't this incorporated > in the wider policy draft discussions ..! Sounds like a "spanner in the > works". Am sure a number of us were at the tail end of summing up our > submissions on the draft, then this...! > > Harry > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > Listers, > > > > We had wanted your full attention so that I can 'officially' declare the > > end of our online discussions on the Draft National ICT Policy. > > > > But clearly the proposed ICT practitioners Bill has stolen our thunder > :-) > > > > Either way, I thank all those who contributed as well as those who read > in > > silence :-). We shall have the compiled reports from the KICTAnet list > as > > a well as the Jadili platform by the end of the week for your perusal. > > > > Thereafter, we shall hold a face2face Validation Workshop at the > > Strathmore University at a date to be confirmed later on next week. > > However, you can tentatively keep your Wed 13th open as we firm up the > > date with the Ministry. > > > > All the best and thanx alot. > > > > Walu & Barrack > > on behalf of KICTAnet > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry26001%40gmail.com > > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, > > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > >

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Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
by Harry 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Hey Dennis, Welcome on board..! The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings. Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'.. Harry On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Hi Hary, > > Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter. > > Thanks. > > Dennis >> >> On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: >> >> Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online >> Discussions > > > Dennis Muthuri Mburugu > Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 > > > > >

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