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Re: [kictanet] [Security Forum] #KeIGF15 Online Discussions Day Three: Internet Economy
by Barrack Otieno 23 Jul '15

23 Jul '15

Many thanks Josiah, First congratulations for the 5th edition of Pivot East Africa and for the good work you are doing, just following the discussion on the Global Entrepreneurship Summit i feel proud of how far the local tech sector has come and the role communities such as skunkworks of which you are among the founder members and the i-hub have done. Back to the discussion your intervention is timely, there is need for a Consumer Protection act and i am aware COFEK has been working on a draft bill, they are on this list and we hope they will be able to provide highlights on the stage at which the bill is in. Best Regards On 7/23/15, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Wading in one day late on this particular discussion topic, but for good > reason. > > Yesterday we held the 5th edition of Pivot East <http://www.pivoteast.com>, > a regional pitching competition for digital startup companies from East > Africa. Digital entrepreneurs as one might imagine are those that run > mobile and web based or enabled businesses, and are a core part of the > internet economy. Not surprisingly, on average, the most accomplished > companies were in the financial sector. This is a sector where policy tends > to lag behind innovation (think MPESA, crypto currencies and the burgeoning > young companies beginning to play in that space across Africa). One key > question that was asked multiple times by the judges, majority of whom were > investors, was related to consumer protection and legislation for some of > these services. > > I would say that we don't have a strong enough legal framework the governs > some of these new frontiers. However, there must be a healthy tension > between the need to protect consumers from unscrupulous business people > while encouraging innovative uses of technology. With regards to taxing the > internet economy, don't we have corporate taxes that apply across the > board? I don't think it is big enough either especially as many of these > bigger players are already paying taxes as it stands. On stuff like cloud > services, we need to be wary of double taxation as many services > particularly from the US are already taxed. > > > > > -- > Josiah Mugambi > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 3:55 PM, fredrick Wahome via Security < > security(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Unfortunately those in the leadership will just draft something when it >> deems appropriate time for them without involving the stakeholders n end >> users. >> >> The document will just sit at CA shelves and life goes on. For now am >> concentrating on educating users how to be safe. >> On Jul 22, 2015 11:46 AM, "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via Security" < >> security(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Hi Barrack, >>> Thank you for the the questions. >>> @ Fred on the issue of taxation for the Internet economy.... >>> >>> I was listening to a representative from Jumia the other day on radio. >>> By >>> her presentation, the volume of merchandise moved per day is quite high >>> and >>> this business is really catching on in Kenya. If I remember they had an >>> increase of 900%in turnover in Africa. While they warn that the high >>> sales >>> have not yet translated into profit, the whole business model is >>> interesting and at some point the government will want a share of the >>> profits. The same will happen to the cloud economy and other Internet >>> businesses, if what happened in Chicago is anything to go by. >>> >>> However, more needs to be done on consumer education and protection. For >>> example, when one buys a phone online and it is faulty, should the >>> online >>> company collect, repair or replace the phone or should the consumer take >>> the phone to the service centre? >>> Consumer protection can either be done through self regulation where the >>> online companies make very good policies on dealing with consumer >>> complaints. Otherwise , the companies cannot be responsive, then the >>> law/its enforcement must be strengthened. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> 2015-07-22 7:42 GMT+03:00 Barrack Otieno via kictanet < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>: >>> >>>> Listers, >>>> >>>> The rise of the Internet economy in Kenya has been defined by >>>> different strokes. On one hand there are small entrepreneurs doing >>>> their side hustles from offices, small shops and car boots. They >>>> advertise their merchandise and services on social media and in a >>>> rudimentary form, some deliver merchandise in backpacks from door to >>>> door. >>>> Enter the bigger players who have large websites from where goods and >>>> services are purchased. Their business models differ. We have >>>> companies like OLX, Cheki that provide a platform for users to >>>> interact. They make their money from advertising. Others such as Rupu >>>> and Jumia offer services and merchandise at reduced prices. >>>> >>>> Questions >>>> >>>> 1. Does an adequate legal framework exist to protect consumers from >>>> fraud, deficient goods and services and to assure consumer rights in >>>> the budding Internet economy? >>>> 2. Since the bigger players in the sector are doing well, is time ripe >>>> for the local Internet economy to be taxed to raise money for >>>> government services? >>>> 3. Should other services in the Internet economy such as cloud >>>> services, international online purchases etc be taxed? >>>> 4. As a stakeholder , what are your recommendations on how the >>>> Internet economy can be improved? >>>> >>>> The floor is open, feel free to continue contributing to the >>>> discussions of the previous days. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >>>> development. >>>> >>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>>> bandwidth, >>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >>>> do >>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Grace L.N. Mutung'u >>> Nairobi Kenya >>> Skype: gracebomu >>> Twitter: @Bomu >>> >>> <http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profile/GraceMutungu> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Security mailing list >>> Security(a)lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/security >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Security mailing list >> Security(a)lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/security >> > -- Barrack O. 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Re: [kictanet] [Security Forum] [Skunkworks] #KeIGF15 Online Discussions Day Two: Cyber Security and Trust
by Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) 23 Jul '15

23 Jul '15

Thank you everyone for the enriching contributions.Without cybersecurity, users cannot be assured when transacting online. A special mention to the security experts who have interesting and practical views to the cybersecurity issues. We may need to seek more information from those in bodies such as ICTA, from experts who helped to set up the systems as well as from private sector. Would be interesting to hear how banks achieve security, especially with Internet and mobile banking. The issue of mobile money payments will be part of our discussion tomorrow as we tackle "the Internet Economy". The discussions on all the topics remain open so please continue on. We shall pick all the recommendations and suggestions and present them to stakeholders during the IGF. Hopefully, some of them will find their way into policy and use in our institutions. Once again thank you. Regards, Grace 2015-07-21 18:11 GMT+03:00 Lesley Leposo via Security < security(a)lists.my.co.ke>: > @fredrick > Good point. > I can see why they would use open source software, other than it being > free. > But, my point of view only makes sense if the GOK, businesses and > universities also fostered/sponsored some (moderately) experienced COMODO > tinkerers/hackers. > > On Jul 21, 2015, at 5:55 PM, fredrick Wahome via Security < > security(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > This far we can say they have tried but one thing I don't understand with > government system is the implementation. Is it that hard or their is some > laxity. With PKI in place most departments are still using FREE systems > like COMODO. But again as a loyal citizen I stopped complaining and just > doing the bit I can even if its sharing information.. > On Jul 21, 2015 5:29 PM, "Mwendwa Kivuva via Security" < > security(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Sorry, here is the website for the Certifying Authority for Kenya's PKI >> http://www.govca.go.ke/# >> >> ______________________ >> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >> >> "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on >> higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson >> >> >> On 21 July 2015 at 16:56, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva(a)transworldafrica.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hosea Kandie and Fredick Wahome have raised very important points of >>> institutional frameworks. I just wanted to share the National PKI website >>> which has a tonne of information on what Kenya has done in that regard. >>> http://www.ke-cirt.go.ke/index.php/services/national-pki/ >>> >>> Here is a copy paste from the home page: >>> >>> Kenya’s National Public Key Infrastructure (NPKI) >>> >>> The National Public Key Infrastructure (NPKI) project is coordinated by >>> the Ministry of ICT in collaboration with the Communications Authority of >>> Kenya (CA) and the ICT Authority (ICTA). >>> >>> A Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) refers to a system for the creation, >>> storage and distribution of digital certificates which are used to verify >>> that a particular public key (online identity) belongs to a certain entity. >>> A PKI is a technical infrastructure that comprises of a Root Certification >>> Authority (RCA) and a Certification Authority (CA), referred to as an >>> Electronic Certification Service Provider (E-CSP) in Kenya’s legal and >>> regulatory framework. The PKI creates a framework for protecting >>> communications and stored information from unauthorized access and >>> disclosure by addressing the fundamentals of cyber security – >>> confidentiality, integrity, authentication and non-repudiation. A PKI is >>> key to the rollout of e-transaction services. >>> >>> The Kenya Information and Communications Act, 1998, mandates the >>> Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) to issue a license to a person >>> operating an Electronic Certification Service. In this regard, the >>> Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) has developed a licensing framework >>> for Electronic Certification Service Providers (E-CSPs). >>> >>> Kenya’s National PKI comprises of a Root Certification Authority (RCA), >>> which is managed by the Communication Authority of Kenya (CA) as a >>> regulatory function, and the Government Certification Authority (GCA), an >>> E-CSP which is managed by the ICTA. The NPKI is instrumental towards the >>> effectiveness of the licensing of Electronic Certification Service >>> Providers (E-CSPs) by the Communications Authority since a licensed E-CSP >>> must be accredited by the RCA for its digital certificates to be globally >>> recognized and trusted. >>> >>> The ICT Authority (ICTA), which is the body responsible for the >>> management of the mainstream government ICT services, operates the GCA. >>> Other interested stakeholders who may be issued with an E-CSP license on >>> application include the banking Sector and the Academia. >>> >>> The benefits of a National PKI include: >>> i. Locally available and cheaper digital certificates/signatures; and >>> ii. Operations and services that are within Kenyan law >>> (jurisdiction), among others. >>> >>> ______________________ >>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >>> >>> "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on >>> higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson >>> >>> >>> On 21 July 2015 at 11:02, fredrick Wahome via Security < >>> security(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> The fact that there is high internet penetration in Africa / Kenya >>>> where an average of one user for every five has access to affordable >>>> internet has created enabling environment for cyber-criminals. >>>> >>>> By the nature of cyberspace where the perpetrators of cyber-crime >>>> remain ubiquitous. This necessitated a need for legislation to control >>>> crime, and to provide confidence and security in African cyberspace, >>>> leading to the drafting of the Africa Union Convention on Cybersecurity >>>> (AUCC). But some groups like CIPIT and civil society opposed the convention >>>> on the ground that it was prepared without their inputs. Their main >>>> argument is that the convention did not make enough provisions to protect >>>> privacy and freedom of speech. >>>> >>>> Member States have to undertake necessary measures to encourage >>>> the establishment of institutions that exchange information on cyber >>>> threats and the evaluation of vulnerabilities such as Computer >>>> Emergency Response Team (CERT). Kenya has at least done something on this >>>> by establishing KE-CIRT at CA. There is also a masterplan and PKI in place >>>> thou there has been implementation challenges. We will note that most >>>> governments departments have not yet established cybersecurity departments >>>> and this leads to low / lack of budgetary allocation. >>>> >>>> In summary Government bodies, policy networks, scholars, the media, >>>> technology experts and the people need to engage in a global conversation >>>> that will help demystify Cyber-crime and define what it constitutes of and >>>> how Cyber-criminals should be dealt with. >>>> >>>> The role of the media (television, blogs, online news outlets and more) >>>> is critical in the process of educating the public and engaging in a >>>> conversation, as they will be the mediators and curators of information and >>>> discourse on the issue. Thus, a concise and sensible approach, devoid of >>>> fear-mongering and shock practices, should be followed. We all remember >>>> recently how media has mishandled cyber crime news without a very somber >>>> deep analysis >>>> >>>> Since this is an international issue, governments and policy networks >>>> across the world have to come together and discuss openly on what is better >>>> for their citizens. Something like AUCC is a positive move by African states >>>> >>>> Scholars and academics can provide valuable expertise on technological, >>>> psychological, ethical and other issues, while highlighting any misgivings >>>> by those involved in the process. At least Strathmore has tried on this >>>> >>>> The people in their local communities, families and social networks >>>> should help and train each other to increase their peers’ level of Internet >>>> literacy and highlight the advantages of the web. A higher Internet >>>> literacy level can help people protect themselves even better by taking >>>> simple security measures, such as using anti-virus software and identifying >>>> potential risks or scams in their online financial transactions. More is >>>> needed from the technology community to provide awareness to end users even >>>> if through probono program. >>>> >>>> The technology community needs a unity of purpose. Looking at >>>> programmers / developers, DBA, network admins, infosec there has been lack >>>> of proper coordination. Developers are working hard to prove that their >>>> products cant be broken. Infosec on the other hand are working so hard to >>>> prove to blue team / developers that they can break their products. At the >>>> end no one benefit from such a contest. Many technical conferences / >>>> seminars should be encouraged to enable sharing of information / knowledge >>>> in the local technology community. >>>> >>>> Great day comrades. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Stephen Munguti via Security < >>>> security(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> I think most of our security concerns stem from internal users and >>>>> this is the reason many banks and telecos refuse to part with this >>>>> information, i could be wrong though >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via skunkworks >>>>> <skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Listers, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kenya has had its fair share of high profile cyber threats, hacking >>>>>> etc, the latest being the alleged compromise of the IFMIS system at >>>>>> NYS/Ministry of Devolution. The country and Africa at large is making >>>>>> efforts to assure cyber-security. These include among others her >>>>>> involvement in the Africa Union Convention on Cybercrime and a proposal for >>>>>> a Cybercrime law, an initiative led by the Office of the Director of Public >>>>>> Prosecutions. Significant financial resources have also been earmarked by >>>>>> government for security and cyber security in particular. There are also >>>>>> partnerships between government and private sector in deploying >>>>>> cybersecurity centres. >>>>>> >>>>>> The private sector has employed practical measures to protect their >>>>>> businesses. However, businesses such as mobile money providers and banks >>>>>> have been shy to divulge their cyber security concerns to protect their >>>>>> interests. >>>>>> >>>>>> Civil society on the other hand has raised concern about the line >>>>>> between protecting the cyber space and creating a facilitative environment >>>>>> for innovators as well as protecting the rights of users. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Are our efforts at deterring cyber-crime the correct way to assure >>>>>> cyber security? Are fears about a partnership between government and >>>>>> private sector and the general fears about stifling innovation and human >>>>>> rights in the name of cybersecurity legitimate? Are there other practical >>>>>> approaches that different stakeholders can take to enhance cyber security? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Over to you. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Grace L.N. Mutung'u >>>>>> Nairobi Kenya >>>>>> Skype: gracebomu >>>>>> Twitter: @Bomu >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profile/GraceMutungu> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Stephen Munguti. >>>>> >>>>> +254720425104 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Security mailing list >>>>> Security(a)lists.my.co.ke >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/security >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *-------------------------------------* >>>> *Kind Regards**;* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Fredrick Wahome Ndung'uTeam LeaderSecunets Technologies LtdWebsite: >>>> www.secunets.com <http://www.secunets.com/>Cell: +254725264890 >>>> <%2B254725264890>Email: fred(a)secunets.com <fred(a)secunets.com>**Facebook: >>>> secunetstech* >>>> *Twitter: @secunets* >>>> >>>> *Skype: secunets.technologiesExperts in: *Domain Registration, Web >>>> Hosting, Open Source Solutions, Information Security & Training, Digital >>>> Forensic Investigations, Web 2.0 Applications & I.C.T Consultancy. >>>> >>>> *"Secure Business Technology"* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *SECUNETS TECHNOLOGIES DISCLAIMER:* >>>> >>>> This email message and any file(s) transmitted with it is intended >>>> solely for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain >>>> confidential and/or legally privileged information which confidentiality >>>> and/or privilege is not lost or waived by reason of mistaken transmission. >>>> If you have received this message by error you are not authorized to view >>>> disseminate distribute or copy the message without the written consent of >>>> Secunets Technologies and are requested to contact the sender by telephone >>>> or e-mail and destroy the original. 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Re: [kictanet] [Security Forum] #KeIGF15 Online Discussions Day Three: Internet Economy
by Barrack Otieno 23 Jul '15

23 Jul '15

Many thanks Fred and Grace for contributing to the discussion thread. We welcome more input from colleagues as we move along. A while back i came across information that COFEK was working on a Consumer protection act similar to the South African one. It would be good to know where they reached or got stuck. The Communications Authority had also launched a series of campaigns to protect consumers which seem to have slowed down after the organization re-branded. However it would be usefull to know the impact such initiatives made in the sector as well. It is my hope that we can get an update from COFEK on the progress made with the bill. Thank you Best Regards On 7/22/15, fredrick Wahome <frewah85(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Unfortunately those in the leadership will just draft something when it > deems appropriate time for them without involving the stakeholders n end > users. > > The document will just sit at CA shelves and life goes on. For now am > concentrating on educating users how to be safe. > On Jul 22, 2015 11:46 AM, "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via Security" < > security(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Hi Barrack, >> Thank you for the the questions. >> @ Fred on the issue of taxation for the Internet economy.... >> >> I was listening to a representative from Jumia the other day on radio. By >> her presentation, the volume of merchandise moved per day is quite high >> and >> this business is really catching on in Kenya. If I remember they had an >> increase of 900%in turnover in Africa. While they warn that the high >> sales >> have not yet translated into profit, the whole business model is >> interesting and at some point the government will want a share of the >> profits. The same will happen to the cloud economy and other Internet >> businesses, if what happened in Chicago is anything to go by. >> >> However, more needs to be done on consumer education and protection. For >> example, when one buys a phone online and it is faulty, should the online >> company collect, repair or replace the phone or should the consumer take >> the phone to the service centre? >> Consumer protection can either be done through self regulation where the >> online companies make very good policies on dealing with consumer >> complaints. Otherwise , the companies cannot be responsive, then the >> law/its enforcement must be strengthened. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> 2015-07-22 7:42 GMT+03:00 Barrack Otieno via kictanet < >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>: >> >>> Listers, >>> >>> The rise of the Internet economy in Kenya has been defined by >>> different strokes. On one hand there are small entrepreneurs doing >>> their side hustles from offices, small shops and car boots. They >>> advertise their merchandise and services on social media and in a >>> rudimentary form, some deliver merchandise in backpacks from door to >>> door. >>> Enter the bigger players who have large websites from where goods and >>> services are purchased. Their business models differ. We have >>> companies like OLX, Cheki that provide a platform for users to >>> interact. They make their money from advertising. Others such as Rupu >>> and Jumia offer services and merchandise at reduced prices. >>> >>> Questions >>> >>> 1. Does an adequate legal framework exist to protect consumers from >>> fraud, deficient goods and services and to assure consumer rights in >>> the budding Internet economy? >>> 2. Since the bigger players in the sector are doing well, is time ripe >>> for the local Internet economy to be taxed to raise money for >>> government services? >>> 3. Should other services in the Internet economy such as cloud >>> services, international online purchases etc be taxed? >>> 4. As a stakeholder , what are your recommendations on how the >>> Internet economy can be improved? >>> >>> The floor is open, feel free to continue contributing to the >>> discussions of the previous days. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.com >>> >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >>> development. >>> >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>> bandwidth, >>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >>> do >>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Grace L.N. Mutung'u >> Nairobi Kenya >> Skype: gracebomu >> Twitter: @Bomu >> >> <http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profile/GraceMutungu> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Security mailing list >> Security(a)lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/security >> > -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/

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#KeIGF15 Online Discussions Day Three: Internet Economy
by Gideon 22 Jul '15

22 Jul '15

Listers, First it will be good to know if the government has enough data on the eCommerce environment in Kenya. Thereafter such a study, it will be possible to create a better revenue analysis model that will allow the taxman to benefit at the same time enabling the govt to create a conducive environment to encourage and catalyze the Internet economy. Regards Gideon Rop Hi Barrack, > Thank you for the the questions. > @ Fred on the issue of taxation for the Internet economy.... > > I was listening to a representative from Jumia the other day on radio. By > her presentation, the volume of merchandise moved per day is quite high and > this business is really catching on in Kenya. If I remember they had an > increase of 900%in turnover in Africa. While they warn that the high sales > have not yet translated into profit, the whole business model is > interesting and at some point the government will want a share of the > profits. The same will happen to the cloud economy and other Internet > businesses, if what happened in Chicago is anything to go by. > > However, more needs to be done on consumer education and protection. For > example, when one buys a phone online and it is faulty, should the online > company collect, repair or replace the phone or should the consumer take > the phone to the service centre? > Consumer protection can either be done through self regulation where the > online companies make very good policies on dealing with consumer > complaints. Otherwise , the companies cannot be responsive, then the > law/its enforcement must be strengthened. > > Regards, > > > 2015-07-22 7:42 GMT+03:00 Barrack Otieno via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>: > > > Listers, > > > > The rise of the Internet economy in Kenya has been defined by > > different strokes. On one hand there are small entrepreneurs doing > > their side hustles from offices, small shops and car boots. They > > advertise their merchandise and services on social media and in a > > rudimentary form, some deliver merchandise in backpacks from door to > > door. > > Enter the bigger players who have large websites from where goods and > > services are purchased. Their business models differ. We have > > companies like OLX, Cheki that provide a platform for users to > > interact. They make their money from advertising. Others such as Rupu > > and Jumia offer services and merchandise at reduced prices. > > > > Questions > > > > 1. Does an adequate legal framework exist to protect consumers from > > fraud, deficient goods and services and to assure consumer rights in > > the budding Internet economy? > > 2. Since the bigger players in the sector are doing well, is time ripe > > for the local Internet economy to be taxed to raise money for > > government services? > > 3. Should other services in the Internet economy such as cloud > > services, international online purchases etc be taxed? > > 4. As a stakeholder , what are your recommendations on how the > > Internet economy can be improved? > > > > The floor is open, feel free to continue contributing to the > > discussions of the previous days. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.com > > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, > > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > > > > > -- > Grace L.N. Mutung'u > Nairobi Kenya > Skype: gracebomu > Twitter: @Bomu > > <http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profile/GraceMutungu> >

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Re: [kictanet] Anonymous hacks Kenya Defence Forces Twitter account
by Liz Orembo 22 Jul '15

22 Jul '15

Listers, For the day 2 KeIGF online discussion on Cyber Security and Trust, allow me to take you back to last year KICTANet's thread when anonymous Kenya hacked KDF Twitter accounts. Key issues were raised with no follow ups. 1.The govt not consulting local talent which has skills and capacity and 2. appreciation of digital security risks by various industries. It seems like nothing much has changed. How do we take it forward? On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 8:22 PM, John Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Matunda,Listers, > You are right.Breaches on cyber security need serious attention. > > The ICT Policy in 2006 summarized the matter as follows: > > "Electronic Security: The challenge is for the country to establish an > adequate legal framework and capacity to deal with national > security,network security,cyber-crime and cyber-terrorism; and to establish > mechanisms for international cooperation to combat cross-border crimes.An > e-security structure will be developed in collaboration with the relevant > institutions." > Since 2006, matters the situation has become even worse than envisaged at > that time due to increasing use of on-line services and Broadband Networks. > > John Kariuki > > > On Monday, 21 July 2014, 17:38, Matunda Nyanchama via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > > On this score, I have made some observations: > > - our people don't take seriously such breaches; I read an attitude of > this sort: "it is a small irritant that will come." This is especially so > for the public sector but also (to a small extent) private sector. Indeed, > organizations like banks can afford to underwrite huge losses through > marginal variation in interest rates. > > - there is no concerted effort to develop needed skills in this area in > order to tackle/forestall such problems. With such skills in mind we would > design, implement and continually monitor and respond to incidents based on > best practices. (Note: there are no guarantees that one won't be hacked but > one can minimize such damage as: reputation, loss/modification of > information, etc.) > > - we seriously need leadership in this space nationally (both in public > and private sectors); if there exists any, it is not felt. Such leadership > would be evangelistic in nature pushing for appreciation of such risks and > how to deal with them. Such awareness would raise concern (hopefully) and > thus assure allocation of commensurate resources (people, money, > technology, etc.) to confront the problem. (NB: my experience in North > America tells me that this area is very much underfunded and whatever > little funding comes through would be spent on easy to acquire stuff like > CCTV ... some installed without requisite processes, skills, etc for > maximum gain (ROI) ...) > > - many technology managers (and many others in management) treat security > with obscurity. Keep things obscure and profess security. I once was in a > discussion with a senior official in GoK and heard things such as: we > cannot disclose what measures we have taken to protect government > information because the same can be used by you people to target us! He > failed to appreciate that you can still be hacked with use of known > reconnaissance approaches. OK: if you really want help, get some of our top > talent, give them security clearance and allow them to build robust systems > that assure security. > > - a friend recently gave the story of a manager (a protege of top > management) that kept his job, protected by his benefactors but who many > knew wasn't performing. This manager could continually avoid bringing in > talent that might help him but which talent may also expose his failing! > Only when the organization was hit and top management embarrassed with loss > (material, reputational) did they hire an external consultant whose report > exposed the manager's fraud that he had perpetuated for years on end! ... > long story short, he was given a soft landing, and slowly eased out of the > organization. ... Lesson: get the right talent and skills for the job if > indeed you are committed to delivering in your mandate. > > BTW: we are into consulting and training in this area. 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Re: [kictanet] #KeIGF15 Online Discussions Day Three: Internet Economy
by Barrack Otieno 22 Jul '15

22 Jul '15

Listers, The rise of the Internet economy in Kenya has been defined by different strokes. On one hand there are small entrepreneurs doing their side hustles from offices, small shops and car boots. They advertise their merchandise and services on social media and in a rudimentary form, some deliver merchandise in backpacks from door to door. Enter the bigger players who have large websites from where goods and services are purchased. Their business models differ. We have companies like OLX, Cheki that provide a platform for users to interact. They make their money from advertising. Others such as Rupu and Jumia offer services and merchandise at reduced prices. Questions 1. Does an adequate legal framework exist to protect consumers from fraud, deficient goods and services and to assure consumer rights in the budding Internet economy? 2. Since the bigger players in the sector are doing well, is time ripe for the local Internet economy to be taxed to raise money for government services? 3. Should other services in the Internet economy such as cloud services, international online purchases etc be taxed? 4. As a stakeholder , what are your recommendations on how the Internet economy can be improved? The floor is open, feel free to continue contributing to the discussions of the previous days.

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Re: [kictanet] [Security Forum] [Skunkworks] #KeIGF15 Online Discussions Day Two: Cyber Security and Trust
by Mwendwa Kivuva 21 Jul '15

21 Jul '15

On 21 July 2015 at 18:11, Lesley Leposo via Security < security(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > I can see why they would use open source software, other than it being > free. > But, my point of view only makes sense if the GOK, businesses and > universities also fostered/sponsored some (moderately) experienced COMODO > tinkerers/hackers. > But surely, why should we use some free or open initiatives like COMODO while we dished out more than $8M of taxpayers money on the National PKI? Is there a problem somewhere? Or this are just allegations On another note, is it possible for somebody in a position of authority, say CA or ICTA to be so kind as to share the implementation status of the National PKI with the community? ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson

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Re: [kictanet] [Security Forum] [Skunkworks] #KeIGF15 Online Discussions Day Two: Cyber Security and Trust
by Mwendwa Kivuva 21 Jul '15

21 Jul '15

Hosea Kandie and Fredick Wahome have raised very important points of institutional frameworks. I just wanted to share the National PKI website which has a tonne of information on what Kenya has done in that regard. http://www.ke-cirt.go.ke/index.php/services/national-pki/ Here is a copy paste from the home page: Kenya’s National Public Key Infrastructure (NPKI) The National Public Key Infrastructure (NPKI) project is coordinated by the Ministry of ICT in collaboration with the Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and the ICT Authority (ICTA). A Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) refers to a system for the creation, storage and distribution of digital certificates which are used to verify that a particular public key (online identity) belongs to a certain entity. A PKI is a technical infrastructure that comprises of a Root Certification Authority (RCA) and a Certification Authority (CA), referred to as an Electronic Certification Service Provider (E-CSP) in Kenya’s legal and regulatory framework. The PKI creates a framework for protecting communications and stored information from unauthorized access and disclosure by addressing the fundamentals of cyber security – confidentiality, integrity, authentication and non-repudiation. A PKI is key to the rollout of e-transaction services. The Kenya Information and Communications Act, 1998, mandates the Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) to issue a license to a person operating an Electronic Certification Service. In this regard, the Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) has developed a licensing framework for Electronic Certification Service Providers (E-CSPs). Kenya’s National PKI comprises of a Root Certification Authority (RCA), which is managed by the Communication Authority of Kenya (CA) as a regulatory function, and the Government Certification Authority (GCA), an E-CSP which is managed by the ICTA. The NPKI is instrumental towards the effectiveness of the licensing of Electronic Certification Service Providers (E-CSPs) by the Communications Authority since a licensed E-CSP must be accredited by the RCA for its digital certificates to be globally recognized and trusted. The ICT Authority (ICTA), which is the body responsible for the management of the mainstream government ICT services, operates the GCA. Other interested stakeholders who may be issued with an E-CSP license on application include the banking Sector and the Academia. The benefits of a National PKI include: i. Locally available and cheaper digital certificates/signatures; and ii. Operations and services that are within Kenyan law (jurisdiction), among others. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 21 July 2015 at 11:02, fredrick Wahome via Security < security(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > The fact that there is high internet penetration in Africa / Kenya where > an average of one user for every five has access to affordable internet has > created enabling environment for cyber-criminals. > > By the nature of cyberspace where the perpetrators of cyber-crime remain > ubiquitous. This necessitated a need for legislation to control crime, and > to provide confidence and security in African cyberspace, leading to the > drafting of the Africa Union Convention on Cybersecurity (AUCC). But some > groups like CIPIT and civil society opposed the convention on the ground > that it was prepared without their inputs. Their main argument is that the > convention did not make enough provisions to protect privacy and freedom of > speech. > > Member States have to undertake necessary measures to encourage the > establishment of institutions that exchange information on cyber > threats and the evaluation of vulnerabilities such as Computer > Emergency Response Team (CERT). Kenya has at least done something on this > by establishing KE-CIRT at CA. There is also a masterplan and PKI in place > thou there has been implementation challenges. We will note that most > governments departments have not yet established cybersecurity departments > and this leads to low / lack of budgetary allocation. > > In summary Government bodies, policy networks, scholars, the media, > technology experts and the people need to engage in a global conversation > that will help demystify Cyber-crime and define what it constitutes of and > how Cyber-criminals should be dealt with. > > The role of the media (television, blogs, online news outlets and more) is > critical in the process of educating the public and engaging in a > conversation, as they will be the mediators and curators of information and > discourse on the issue. Thus, a concise and sensible approach, devoid of > fear-mongering and shock practices, should be followed. We all remember > recently how media has mishandled cyber crime news without a very somber > deep analysis > > Since this is an international issue, governments and policy networks > across the world have to come together and discuss openly on what is better > for their citizens. Something like AUCC is a positive move by African states > > Scholars and academics can provide valuable expertise on technological, > psychological, ethical and other issues, while highlighting any misgivings > by those involved in the process. At least Strathmore has tried on this > > The people in their local communities, families and social networks should > help and train each other to increase their peers’ level of Internet > literacy and highlight the advantages of the web. A higher Internet > literacy level can help people protect themselves even better by taking > simple security measures, such as using anti-virus software and identifying > potential risks or scams in their online financial transactions. More is > needed from the technology community to provide awareness to end users even > if through probono program. > > The technology community needs a unity of purpose. Looking at programmers > / developers, DBA, network admins, infosec there has been lack of proper > coordination. Developers are working hard to prove that their products cant > be broken. Infosec on the other hand are working so hard to prove to blue > team / developers that they can break their products. At the end no one > benefit from such a contest. Many technical conferences / seminars should > be encouraged to enable sharing of information / knowledge in the local > technology community. > > Great day comrades. > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Stephen Munguti via Security < > security(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I think most of our security concerns stem from internal users and this >> is the reason many banks and telecos refuse to part with this information, >> i could be wrong though >> >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via skunkworks < >> skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Dear Listers, >>> >>> >>> Kenya has had its fair share of high profile cyber threats, hacking etc, >>> the latest being the alleged compromise of the IFMIS system at NYS/Ministry >>> of Devolution. The country and Africa at large is making efforts to assure >>> cyber-security. These include among others her involvement in the Africa >>> Union Convention on Cybercrime and a proposal for a Cybercrime law, an >>> initiative led by the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions. >>> Significant financial resources have also been earmarked by government for >>> security and cyber security in particular. There are also partnerships >>> between government and private sector in deploying cybersecurity centres. >>> >>> The private sector has employed practical measures to protect their >>> businesses. However, businesses such as mobile money providers and banks >>> have been shy to divulge their cyber security concerns to protect their >>> interests. >>> >>> Civil society on the other hand has raised concern about the line >>> between protecting the cyber space and creating a facilitative environment >>> for innovators as well as protecting the rights of users. >>> >>> >>> >>> Are our efforts at deterring cyber-crime the correct way to assure cyber >>> security? Are fears about a partnership between government and private >>> sector and the general fears about stifling innovation and human rights in >>> the name of cybersecurity legitimate? Are there other practical approaches >>> that different stakeholders can take to enhance cyber security? >>> >>> >>> Over to you. >>> >>> -- >>> Grace L.N. Mutung'u >>> Nairobi Kenya >>> Skype: gracebomu >>> Twitter: @Bomu >>> >>> <http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profile/GraceMutungu> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best Regards, >> Stephen Munguti. >> >> +254720425104 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Security mailing list >> Security(a)lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/security >> > > > > -- > > > > > *-------------------------------------* > *Kind Regards**;* > > > > > > > > *Fredrick Wahome Ndung'uTeam LeaderSecunets Technologies LtdWebsite: > www.secunets.com <http://www.secunets.com>Cell: +254725264890Email: > fred(a)secunets.com <fred(a)secunets.com>**Facebook: secunetstech* > *Twitter: @secunets* > > *Skype: secunets.technologiesExperts in: *Domain Registration, Web Hosting > , Open Source Solutions, Information Security & Training, Digital > Forensic Investigations, Web 2.0 Applications & I.C.T Consultancy. > > *"Secure Business Technology"* > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *SECUNETS TECHNOLOGIES DISCLAIMER:* > > This email message and any file(s) transmitted with it is intended solely > for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain > confidential and/or legally privileged information which confidentiality > and/or privilege is not lost or waived by reason of mistaken transmission. > If you have received this message by error you are not authorized to view > disseminate distribute or copy the message without the written consent of > Secunets Technologies and are requested to contact the sender by telephone > or e-mail and destroy the original. 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Re: [kictanet] [Security Forum] [Skunkworks] #KeIGF15 Online Discussions Day Two: Cyber Security and Trust
by Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) 21 Jul '15

21 Jul '15

Yes Stephen, I meant thin sims and their security. Just saw some article comparing the two main mobile money services and I understand Equitel also has (normal) SIMS. 2015-07-21 16:48 GMT+03:00 Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm(a)gmail.com>: > I think we should separate the issue of Equitel from the issue of Thin > sims. Equitel also has a normal sim even though its the first to introduce > the thin sims into kenya > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Very interesting turn the discussion has taken. Understandably, Equitel >> is something to watch as it could disrupt the market. many hope it will. >> Are techies here telling us that the security of using Equitel SIM cannot >> be guaranteed unless there are strict internal controls? >> Does this mean we already need laws for what is quite a novel application >> in Kenya? And how does ethics as mentioned by Jaco come in here if at all? >> >> 2015-07-21 16:17 GMT+03:00 Lesley Leposo via Security < >> security(a)lists.my.co.ke>: >> >>> Cool Steve. >>> >>> Now from a policy and regulation standpoint, the fundamental isssue (by >>> far) is that…. >>> >>> A *proprietary* technology is being deployed by a public utility/service. >>> >>> There are always major risks with going “proprietary” vs. >>> standardized/open/open-source. >>> >>> >>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> @ fredrick, >>> >>> I don't think the issue is with Equitel (given that they have normal sim >>> cards in use), I think the issue is the thin sim >>> >>> @lesley >>> >>> noted >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:52 PM, fredrick Wahome <frewah85(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> They would not have prevented thin SIM adoption but they would have >>>> played some politics using science. For now lets hope that Mwangi is going >>>> to disrupt this market and deliver us from monopolization. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Stephen Munguti via Security < >>>> security(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> @lesley, >>>>> >>>>> The key issue is the data exchange between the Safaricom SIM card and >>>>> the phone (this has nothing to do with the Safaricom Servers), bearing in >>>>> mind that there exists a third party between the Safaricom SIM and the >>>>> Phone >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Lesley Leposo <leposo(a)unoasystems.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Everyone is griping about the keys (i.e. triplets and session keys >>>>>> derived from that). >>>>>> I think someone needs to be very specific about the security threat >>>>>> involved here and both players aren’t revealing much. >>>>>> >>>>>> IMHO, there are at least 3 areas where security threats can emerge: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Normally EAP-SIM would be used to authenticate the client/phone >>>>>> vs. the telco server (Safaricom in this case). >>>>>> The valuable information in this case would be the SIM triplets (and >>>>>> derived session key). Hence, this baseline EAP-SIM needs to be protected >>>>>> (Safaricom knows how this is done). >>>>>> If it isn’t, then we already have a problem that’s not due to >>>>>> thin-siim. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) For the thin-sim, another EAP-SIM negotiation between the >>>>>> client/phone vs. the overlay sever (Equity in this case). >>>>>> The valuable information again would be the thin-SIM triplets (and >>>>>> derived session key). Hence this overlay EAP-SIM needs to be protected in a >>>>>> manner that Safaricom can’t even see it… this is totally in the domain of >>>>>> how Equity has designed their network and their provisioning. (e.g. by >>>>>> encrypted negotiation & tunnelling directly between the client/phone and >>>>>> the Equity server). >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) For the handsets, they would have to make sure that the telco >>>>>> applications can’t snoop or inject traffic/data into each other’s walled >>>>>> garden - there are 2 walled gardens in this case. The walled garden >>>>>> includes the sim triplets (and derived session key) along with each telco >>>>>> network routes, policies, arp-cache and tcp/ip connections. There exists a >>>>>> possibility of threats due to backwards incompatibility (with phones that >>>>>> can’t fully manage these walled gardens). Perhaps this is what Safaricom is >>>>>> complaining about? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via Security < >>>>>> security(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > @mwendwa, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Its possible for the owner of the network of the thin sim to be >>>>>> privy to information that only the host network sim should be having. It >>>>>> all comes back to someone internal at Equitel having the proper technical >>>>>> skills and motivation to use the same >>>>>> >>>>>> Stephen, >>>>>> Then we have a major problem right there. I would not like Safaricom >>>>>> to disown any responsibility on their part when my security is compromised >>>>>> because I used thin sim. Therefore any security conscious users would not >>>>>> dare jeopardize their transactions by using thin sim. The question then is, >>>>>> how many of us care about their transaction security? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks < >>>>>> skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Then the trending issue of the day. Equitel. Safaricom had taken >>>>>> Equity to court and sounded a big warning on the use of thin sim. >>>>>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Safaricom-sounds-warning-… >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> London-based GSMA, the global association of telecoms operators >>>>>> using the GSM technology, wrote to the Kenyan authorities warning of the >>>>>> risks that use of the slim SIM cards pose to the integrity of the mobile >>>>>> telecommunications platforms.The GSMA said the overlay SIM (which is >>>>>> embedded between a normal SIM card and the device) has the potential of >>>>>> harvesting and revealing sensitive data passing the system. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Of course we all know Safaricom failed miserably in stopping >>>>>> Equity from progressing with its plans. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Now the thin sim is here, and Equitel has said it will encrypt >>>>>> all data to and from the thin sim. Can experts in this area assure us that >>>>>> the use of thin sims will not affect the integrity of M-Pesa transactions? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Regards >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> >>> skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> >>> ------------ >>>>>> >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> >>> ------------ >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> >>> ------------ >>>>>> >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -- >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Best Regards, >>>>>> >> Stephen Munguti. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> +254720425104 >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Best Regards, >>>>>> > Stephen Munguti. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > +254720425104 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Security mailing list >>>>>> Security(a)lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/security >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Stephen Munguti. >>>>> >>>>> +254720425104 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Security mailing list >>>>> Security(a)lists.my.co.ke >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/security >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *-------------------------------------* >>>> *Kind Regards**;* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Fredrick Wahome Ndung'uTeam LeaderSecunets Technologies LtdWebsite: >>>> www.secunets.com <http://www.secunets.com/>Cell: +254725264890Email: >>>> fred(a)secunets.com <fred(a)secunets.com>**Facebook: secunetstech* >>>> *Twitter: @secunets* >>>> >>>> *Skype: secunets.technologiesExperts in: *Domain Registration, Web >>>> Hosting, Open Source Solutions, Information Security & Training, Digital >>>> Forensic Investigations, Web 2.0 Applications & I.C.T Consultancy. >>>> >>>> *"Secure Business Technology"* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *SECUNETS TECHNOLOGIES DISCLAIMER:* >>>> >>>> This email message and any file(s) transmitted with it is intended >>>> solely for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain >>>> confidential and/or legally privileged information which confidentiality >>>> and/or privilege is not lost or waived by reason of mistaken transmission. >>>> If you have received this message by error you are not authorized to view >>>> disseminate distribute or copy the message without the written consent of >>>> Secunets Technologies and are requested to contact the sender by telephone >>>> or e-mail and destroy the original. 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Re: [kictanet] [Security Forum] [Skunkworks] #KeIGF15 Online Discussions Day Two: Cyber Security and Trust
by Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) 21 Jul '15

21 Jul '15

Very interesting turn the discussion has taken. Understandably, Equitel is something to watch as it could disrupt the market. many hope it will. Are techies here telling us that the security of using Equitel SIM cannot be guaranteed unless there are strict internal controls? Does this mean we already need laws for what is quite a novel application in Kenya? And how does ethics as mentioned by Jaco come in here if at all? 2015-07-21 16:17 GMT+03:00 Lesley Leposo via Security < security(a)lists.my.co.ke>: > Cool Steve. > > Now from a policy and regulation standpoint, the fundamental isssue (by > far) is that…. > > A *proprietary* technology is being deployed by a public utility/service. > > There are always major risks with going “proprietary” vs. > standardized/open/open-source. > > > On Jul 21, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > @ fredrick, > > I don't think the issue is with Equitel (given that they have normal sim > cards in use), I think the issue is the thin sim > > @lesley > > noted > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:52 PM, fredrick Wahome <frewah85(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> They would not have prevented thin SIM adoption but they would have >> played some politics using science. For now lets hope that Mwangi is going >> to disrupt this market and deliver us from monopolization. >> >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Stephen Munguti via Security < >> security(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> @lesley, >>> >>> The key issue is the data exchange between the Safaricom SIM card and >>> the phone (this has nothing to do with the Safaricom Servers), bearing in >>> mind that there exists a third party between the Safaricom SIM and the >>> Phone >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Lesley Leposo <leposo(a)unoasystems.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Everyone is griping about the keys (i.e. triplets and session keys >>>> derived from that). >>>> I think someone needs to be very specific about the security threat >>>> involved here and both players aren’t revealing much. >>>> >>>> IMHO, there are at least 3 areas where security threats can emerge: >>>> >>>> 1) Normally EAP-SIM would be used to authenticate the client/phone vs. >>>> the telco server (Safaricom in this case). >>>> The valuable information in this case would be the SIM triplets (and >>>> derived session key). Hence, this baseline EAP-SIM needs to be protected >>>> (Safaricom knows how this is done). >>>> If it isn’t, then we already have a problem that’s not due to thin-siim. >>>> >>>> 2) For the thin-sim, another EAP-SIM negotiation between the >>>> client/phone vs. the overlay sever (Equity in this case). >>>> The valuable information again would be the thin-SIM triplets (and >>>> derived session key). Hence this overlay EAP-SIM needs to be protected in a >>>> manner that Safaricom can’t even see it… this is totally in the domain of >>>> how Equity has designed their network and their provisioning. (e.g. by >>>> encrypted negotiation & tunnelling directly between the client/phone and >>>> the Equity server). >>>> >>>> 3) For the handsets, they would have to make sure that the telco >>>> applications can’t snoop or inject traffic/data into each other’s walled >>>> garden - there are 2 walled gardens in this case. The walled garden >>>> includes the sim triplets (and derived session key) along with each telco >>>> network routes, policies, arp-cache and tcp/ip connections. There exists a >>>> possibility of threats due to backwards incompatibility (with phones that >>>> can’t fully manage these walled gardens). Perhaps this is what Safaricom is >>>> complaining about? >>>> >>>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via Security < >>>> security(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> > @mwendwa, >>>> > >>>> > Its possible for the owner of the network of the thin sim to be privy >>>> to information that only the host network sim should be having. It all >>>> comes back to someone internal at Equitel having the proper technical >>>> skills and motivation to use the same >>>> >>>> Stephen, >>>> Then we have a major problem right there. I would not like Safaricom to >>>> disown any responsibility on their part when my security is compromised >>>> because I used thin sim. Therefore any security conscious users would not >>>> dare jeopardize their transactions by using thin sim. The question then is, >>>> how many of us care about their transaction security? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks < >>>> skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Then the trending issue of the day. Equitel. Safaricom had taken >>>> Equity to court and sounded a big warning on the use of thin sim. >>>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Safaricom-sounds-warning-… >>>> >>> >>>> >>> London-based GSMA, the global association of telecoms operators >>>> using the GSM technology, wrote to the Kenyan authorities warning of the >>>> risks that use of the slim SIM cards pose to the integrity of the mobile >>>> telecommunications platforms.The GSMA said the overlay SIM (which is >>>> embedded between a normal SIM card and the device) has the potential of >>>> harvesting and revealing sensitive data passing the system. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Of course we all know Safaricom failed miserably in stopping Equity >>>> from progressing with its plans. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Now the thin sim is here, and Equitel has said it will encrypt all >>>> data to and from the thin sim. Can experts in this area assure us that the >>>> use of thin sims will not affect the integrity of M-Pesa transactions? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Regards >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> >>> skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke >>>> >>> ------------ >>>> >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> >>> ------------ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> >>> ------------ >>>> >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> >>>> >> Best Regards, >>>> >> Stephen Munguti. >>>> >> >>>> >> +254720425104 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > >>>> > Best Regards, >>>> > Stephen Munguti. >>>> > >>>> > +254720425104 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Security mailing list >>>> Security(a)lists.my.co.ke >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/security >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Stephen Munguti. >>> >>> +254720425104 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Security mailing list >>> Security(a)lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/security >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> *-------------------------------------* >> *Kind Regards**;* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Fredrick Wahome Ndung'uTeam LeaderSecunets Technologies LtdWebsite: >> www.secunets.com <http://www.secunets.com/>Cell: +254725264890Email: >> fred(a)secunets.com <fred(a)secunets.com>**Facebook: secunetstech* >> *Twitter: @secunets* >> >> *Skype: secunets.technologiesExperts in: *Domain Registration, Web >> Hosting, Open Source Solutions, Information Security & Training, Digital >> Forensic Investigations, Web 2.0 Applications & I.C.T Consultancy. >> >> *"Secure Business Technology"* >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *SECUNETS TECHNOLOGIES DISCLAIMER:* >> >> This email message and any file(s) transmitted with it is intended solely >> for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain >> confidential and/or legally privileged information which confidentiality >> and/or privilege is not lost or waived by reason of mistaken transmission. >> If you have received this message by error you are not authorized to view >> disseminate distribute or copy the message without the written consent of >> Secunets Technologies and are requested to contact the sender by telephone >> or e-mail and destroy the original. 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