April 2010 - KICTANet

Digital to Analog Conversion
by robert yawe 19 Jun '15

19 Jun '15

Hi, When the migration from analog to digital was initially raised fear was put into the public on how there would be no option but to throw away our analog TV sets and replace them with Digital. Now that digital transmission is finally here we need to look at how to make the migration as painless as possible while at the same time we do not disenfranchise any citizens. It has been mentioned that there are over 1 million TV sets in Kenya today, that means 1 million digital to analog converters will be required over the next 2-3 years. I believe this is a great opportunity for us to go into the electronic assembly business, I would like to propose that we 1st increase duty on converters from the current 35% to 250% so as to discourage the importation of the converters. Then exempt from duty and vat all assembly stations, test equipment and components for anyone who sets up a converter assembly plant, with a 3 year tax holiday. If you setup the plant more than 200 kilometers from Nairobi or Mombasa you receive an addition 2 years tax holiday. I believe this will sort out the issue of substandard converters and will also provide an opportunity for us to develop our electronic devices assembly skills. If you make a net profit of 1,000/- there is a clean 875,000,000/- to be made, close to what the government is spending on purchase of the Malili farm. This is assuming a standard device, there is still a market for those who want high end devices with recording, tuners, USB ports, etc which would mean that the returns could be much higher than projected above. So will we move away from juts being importers and retailers or do we have what it takes to do some value add? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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Re: [kictanet] KCSE Performance
by Jotham Kilimo Mwale 03 Mar '11

03 Mar '11

Hi Akich, I found the list you are asking for from The Standard online home page. I have attached the document. Regards, Jotham --- On Thu, 3/4/10, Akich Kwach <kwach(a)archway-productions.com> wrote: From: Akich Kwach <kwach(a)archway-productions.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KCSE Performance To: jokilimo(a)yahoo.com Cc: "alewela" <alewela(a)ict.go.ke>, "ke users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 1:01 AM _filtered #yiv689680575 { font-family:Wingdings;} _filtered #yiv689680575 { font-family:Cambria Math;} _filtered #yiv689680575 { font-family:Calibri;} _filtered #yiv689680575 {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt;} #yiv689680575 P.MsoNormal { MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"serif";FONT-SIZE:12pt;} #yiv689680575 LI.MsoNormal { MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"serif";FONT-SIZE:12pt;} #yiv689680575 DIV.MsoNormal { MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"serif";FONT-SIZE:12pt;} #yiv689680575 A:link { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv689680575 SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv689680575 A:visited { COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv689680575 SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv689680575 SPAN.EmailStyle17 { FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d;} #yiv689680575 .MsoChpDefault { FONT-SIZE:10pt;} #yiv689680575 DIV.Section1 { } #yiv689680575 OL { MARGIN-BOTTOM:0in;} #yiv689680575 UL { MARGIN-BOTTOM:0in;} Many thanks Barnabas for sharing this valuable information. Would you be having the list of top 100 candidates national and provincial categories with names of schools in which the candidates sat for their KCSE exams? If you do, kindly share it. The way the list is published in the media only gives incomplete information. Would you imagine if they announced the names of the winners during the Olympic Games and then they only play the national anthem without mentioning the countries they represent, (in our case the Index numbers represent schools). In the case of Olympic games, one has to go through the catalogue and find out which country is represented by such a flag; similarly, in the case of KCSE relults, those few who knows index numbers for various schools. I am of the view citizens should never be denied information they deserve. All in all your Ministry (MoE) and the KNEC has made good progress by incorporating ICT tools while releasing results. This has greatly saved parents and candidates the costs of running to schools, (some of them miles away) for their results. May God bless this nation to keep moving in the right direction at competitive speed. Akich Kwach ----- Original Message ----- From: Barnabas K. Sang To: kwach(a)archway-productions.com Cc: alewela ; ke users ; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KCSE Performance Thought would be of interest to you. Kind regards B. K. Sang _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: kwach(a)archway-productions.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kwach%40archway-produc… -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jokilimo(a)yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jokilimo%40yahoo.com

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KENIC is wanting
by robert yawe 31 May '10

31 May '10

Hi, How safe is .ke if the servers have questionable security certificates, it seems we are taking this ctld issues very lightly. After attending ICANN I am now more informed about the importance of secure servers and the costs of lax dns issues. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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Article on Kenya ICT Policy-publication version FOR YOU!
by warigia bowman 12 May '10

12 May '10

Dear colleagues Here is the article on Kenya's ICT policy which is going to press today. The correct citation is Bowman, Warigia, "Governance, Technology and the Search for Modernity in Kenya," *William and Mary Policy Review* 1 (April 2010): 87-116. Please CITE the article if you use it, or dispute it, or think about it in your work. i tried to cite every article by everyone that was published in idrcs books on this, READ THE ENDNOTES to find your name. *HIGHLIGHTS: footnote 4 *i say thank you to everyone i can fit. p. 110- long discussion of kictanet and KIF. p. 97, rege and ndemo and okech are great, p. 100 waema and getao, p. 102, the BEST PART mucheru fights back against tuju, 103, *alice becomes CCK commissioner. * * * i hope you like it, and if you have corrections or complaints, you can send them to me offline as i prepare my book manuscript. Yours with DEEP gratitude to KIF and kictanet, Warigia -- Dr. Warigia Bowman Assistant Professor The Department of Public Policy Leadership The University of Mississippi 107 Odom Hall University, MS 38677 URL: http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/leadership/index.html PHONE: 662-915-1904 EMAIL: mwbowman(a)olemiss.edu

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stop mails from going to my CIO email
by ALEX OWITI 04 May '10

04 May '10

Dear Odhiambo, Kindly deactive emails going to my CIO email(alex.owiti(a)cio.co.ke) since i'm using another e-mail in the mail list. Thanks. Alex

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Mobile Number Portability
by Jevans Nyabiage 04 May '10

04 May '10

Hi All, Looking at countries that have tried to unveil the Mobile Number Portability, it seems no impact has been felt in most of them including developed ones. Is Kenya any different? Do Kenyans really need MNP? Who will it benefit? Will it ever work as subscribers will be required to pay Sh1,000 to switch to another network. Jevans DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Nation Media Group. �To get all breaking news alerts send the word BREAK to 6667 or visit http://mobile.nation.co.ke to read news on your mobile phone.�

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[Fwd: Recruitment: DOT Kenya Program Manager]
by alice 30 Apr '10

30 Apr '10

DOT Kenya is recruiting a Program Manager. The position announcement is attached. It would be greatly appreciated if you would circulate this to your colleagues and networks. As indicated, responses should be directed to Heather Marshall here in Ottawa (hmarshall(a)dotrust.org <mailto:hmarshall@dotrust.org>) who will assist with the first filtering. Thanks and best regards, -- Grant Thomas Vice President, Strategic Development Digital Opportunity Trust The DOT House 205 Pretoria Avenue Ottawa Canada K1S 1X1 +1-613-667-5854 (Office) +1-613-265-7000 (Mobile) GThomas(a)dotrust.org <mailto:GThomas@dotrust.org> www.dotrust.org <http://www.dotrust.org> Skype: talk2grant

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EAIGF 2010
by Barrack Otieno 30 Apr '10

30 Apr '10

Listers, I have just been reviewing EuroDIG 2010 and i thought we can borrow some ideas to make EAIGF a great event this year. Last year i noted that participation of the youth was not that high and i suppose we could encourage more young people to participate in this years event since they are an important constituency in so far as Internet Governance issues are concerned. On another note, we could improve on the East African Internet Governance Portal by making it more interactive similar, to http://www.eurodig.org. We need not rope in as many youth on various lists within East Africa to participate in this important ICT4D event since they represent the future of the region. We could introduce exciting topics such as Social Networking, Internet Governance in light of the EAC protocol...i am just stirring your thoughs as i think aloud we have great thinktanks across the region, lets support the organisers to make this event great. I welcome ideas on this subject.. Thank you

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Red Card for the Sheikhs
by Wainaina Mungai 30 Apr '10

30 Apr '10

The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law, outlaw DSTV, video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have come at a more unfortunate time. The support they have received from SUPREM (Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims) further complicates the debate on the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our Constitution. Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent 'treason' in my secular nation, President Kibaki and Prime Minister Odinga must also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts are omitted from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with the NO campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question. No religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy the privileges of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that may disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs. My vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured by the Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or Christian cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting to determine where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I do so; where and what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular KENYA. No religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular Kenya and no loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such treasonable actions. Regards, Wainaina -- Sent from my mobile device Wainaina Mungai ----- http://www.bungesms.com http://www.madeinkenya.org http://www.wainainamungai.com Thousands of candles can be lighted from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared. ~ Buddha~

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Fwd: WITSA Trade Mission to Amsterdam , The Netherlands
by waudo siganga 30 Apr '10

30 Apr '10

FYI ----- Original message ----- From: "Nisha Deivenathan" <nisha(a)witsa.org> To: Cc: "david.wong(a)sntglobal.com" <david.wong(a)sntglobal.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 07:09:27 -0400 Subject: WITSA Trade Mission to Amsterdam , The Netherlands April 30, 2010 TO: All Members, Global Partners and members’ associates of WITSA FR: The Secretariat, WITSA Global Trade Committee (GTC) RE: WITSA Trade Mission to Amsterdam, The Netherlands _________________________________________________________________ Dear WITSA members, partners and associates, PARTICIPATE FOR FREE^*!! (*terms & condition apply) We are pleased to announce the WITSA Trade Mission (WTM) to Amsterdam, The Netherlands in conjunction with our biennial signature event, the World Congress On Information Technology (WCIT), which will be hosted by our member in The Netherlands, ICT~Office, on May 25 to 27, 2010. WITSA members, global partners and your affiliate members/associates are invited to participate in this WTM, enabling them to learn and understand the European ICT market, explore business opportunities and enhance global trade. WCIT 2010 brings together over 2,500 captains of industry, government leaders and academics from more than 80 economies. This premier global ICT forum and flagship event of WITSA is themed “Challenges of Change”. We have planned and prepared a half-day WITSA WTM-Amsterdam itinerary on the May 24, 2010, which precedes the WCIT2010 main congress on May 25-27. The WTM-Amsterdam agenda includes:- Activity 1 - Special Guest Session with Prominent Speakers Activity 2 – Guest Presentation on Global Trade Ø to learn and understand the trade and business policies, business environment and areas of opportunity in various regions/economies including Europe, North America, Latin America and Asia Activity 3 –WITSA Networking Session hosted by Mexico –IT Activity 4 – Business Matchmaking Sessions Ø 25^th - 27^th May (an activity within WCIT 2010) Ø targeting the areas on Global Trade opportunities made available through the Business Matching system virtually, as well as Face-to-face meetings at the venue and pavilions Activity 5 – Leisure Tour – “Amsterdam Canal tour on boat” (TBC) Ø An optional tour subject to a fee (please stay tuned…) WTM-Amsterdam Participation Fees:- Item Description Cost (EUR) 1 WTM-Amsterdam Participation-cum- WCIT2010 Congress Fee - Inclusive of WCIT2010 Conference Ticket - Excludes Gala Dinner Ticket - Participants will also be profiled in the WTM-Amsterdam Delegation Directory - Inclusive of VAT (19%) 1190 2 Gala Dinner Ticket - Gala dinner tickets subject to availability of seats - Including VAT (19%) 417 Registered participants of WCIT2010 can also sign up by registering with WITSA Global Trade Secretariat at no additional charge - this is limited to the first 100 participants. The WITSA Secretariat believes that the trip will provide participants with an excellent window to visit and explore the business opportunities offered in the European market. At the same time, participants are able to take the opportunity to extend their products and services to this region. Kindly find the attached document about WTM-Amsterdam for your reference. A detailed [1]Evaluation Document is also put forth in the WITSA Trade Mission Section at [2]http://globaltrade.witsa.org/ to facilitate your review and decision on your participation. Please register your participation with [3]WITSA Global Trade Secretariat or [4]globaltrade(a)witsa.org in order for the Secretariat to send you a Registration Form; and submit your registration to secure a place by May 10, 2010. Please forward this email to your business associates/members to encourage their participation in this trade mission. The Secretariat looks forward to your support and please do not hesitate to contact us should you require further details or clarification. Thank you. from WITSA Global Trade Secretariat Best Regards, Nisha Deivenathan Global Trade WITSA HQ Secretariat World Information Technology and Services Alliance (WITSA) witsa_newlogo WITSA Headquarters Suite 4800-3A-1 CBD Perdana 63000 Cyberjaya Selangor D.E., Malaysia Tel.: +603-8320 1898 Fax: +603-8320 1896 Cell: +601 6614 4387 Email: [5]nisha(a)witsa.org URL: [6]www.witsa.org References 1. http://globaltrade.witsa.org/trade_mission/WTM_Amsterdam_Evaluation.pdf 2. http://globaltrade.witsa.org/ 3. mailto:globaltrade@witsa.org 4. mailto:globaltrade@witsa.org 5. mailto:nisha@witsa.org 6. http://www.witsa.org/

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Re: [kictanet] FW: On maternity leave until May 2010
by warigia bowman 30 Apr '10

30 Apr '10

Dear Harry yes, i just had a son, David Githaiga Ngaruiya two weeks ago. seven pounds 9 oz and lots of black hair, hopefully kenya will pass dual citizenship soon. yours, warigia On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: > > > Hey Listers, > > Did Warigia just ask for some input a while ago... > > Her inbox says, she's on Maternity leave. > > Anyone..? If so, congratulations - prof.. > > Harry > > -----Original Message----- > From: warigia bowman [mailto:warigia@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:26 PM > To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke > Subject: On maternity leave until May 2010 RE: [kictanet] Is anyone online, > need urgent fact check > > Thank you for your message! > > I am not able to check my email regularly. I just had a baby. I am on > maternity leave. > > I will try to reply to your email sometime in the next two weeks.. > > Thanks, Rigia > > -- > Dr. Warigia Bowman > Assistant Professor > The Department of Public Policy Leadership The University of Mississippi > 107 Odom Hall > University, MS 38677 > > URL: http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/leadership/index.html > PHONE: 662-915-1904 > EMAIL: mwbowman(a)olemiss.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: warigia(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/warigia%40gmail.com > -- Dr. Warigia Bowman Assistant Professor The Department of Public Policy Leadership The University of Mississippi 107 Odom Hall University, MS 38677 URL: http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/leadership/index.html PHONE: 662-915-1904 EMAIL: mwbowman(a)olemiss.edu

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CSK May 2010 e-Newsletter
by waudo siganga 30 Apr '10

30 Apr '10

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FW: [pan-idrcictdrm] Call for Proposals: Commissioned Papers on ICTs, Climate Change and Development
by Edith Adera 29 Apr '10

29 Apr '10

This may be of interest _________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specilaist International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international +254- 20- 2713160 ext 3406 or +1-613-696-3406 | eadera(a)idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: Matthew Smith [msmith(a)idrc.ca] Sent: 29 April 2010 16:14 To: ICT4D-Futures Workspace Subject: FW: [pan-idrcictdrm] Call for Proposals: Commissioned Papers on ICTs, Climate Change and Development Hello all, Please see and circulate the call for proposals below. As you will see this is an IDRC supported project :) Cheers! Matthew Matthew Smith, PhD 613-696-2303 | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca -----Original Message----- From: Richard Heeks [mailto:richard.heeks@manchester.ac.uk] Sent: April 29, 2010 5:36 AM To: PAN-IDRC ICTD RM Subject: [pan-idrcictdrm] Call for Proposals: Commissioned Papers on ICTs, Climate Change and Development ** Please forward to relevant colleagues ** This is a call for proposals for the writing of commissioned papers on the topic of ICTs, climate change and development. Proposals should be sent by 25 May 2010. BACKGROUND Recognising both the growing impact of climate change in developing countries and the growing role of ICTs, Canada's International Development Research Centre is funding a two-year project on ICTs, climate change and development (see www.niccd.org) The project is co-ordinated by the University of Manchester's Centre for Development Informatics. As part of the project, six thematic papers will be commissioned and written during 2010 on various aspects of this topic. The papers should be 6,000-10,000 words in length, in English, and aimed at a "reflective practitioner" audience by summarising current evidence and then producing best practice strategic recommendations. We are looking for "generic" papers that draw evidence from, and relate to, all developing countries; rather than individual region, country or project case write-ups. Primary research is not expected. The papers should build on the Scoping Study produced recently as part of the project - http://www.niccd.org/resources.htm - which reviews current literature on ICTs, climate change and development (ICCD). Section 4 of this document identifies six ICCD thematic areas - mitigation, monitoring, adaptation, strategy, disaster management/response, and ICT impacts and issues. We would be happy to receive proposals against these thematic areas but we are also happy to receive proposals suggesting alternative ICCD themes and alternative ways of conceptualising the field. PROCESS / TIMESCALE We require proposals to be sent electronically by 25 May 2010, and aim to confirm accepted proposals by mid-June. First drafts of the papers will be due by the end of September 2010. Final drafts will be due by the end of November. One author per paper will be invited (and funded) to attend a discussion and presentation workshop on ICCD to be held in London in mid-December. The finalised copy of the paper will be made available online and disseminated via the project network. It is also our intention to publish the papers as part of a book to be produced at the end of the project in 2011, and to produce a strategy brief summarising the paper. PAYMENT Authors will be contracted by the University of Manchester to produce a draft version of the thematic paper, followed by a finalised version that acceptably meets quality requirements following draft review comments. We will also seek authors' input to revision for the proposed book and to summarisation for strategy brief production. A payment of £1,200 will be made on acceptance of the draft paper, and a further payment of £2,400 on acceptance of the finalised paper. PROPOSAL Proposals should be sent to: niccd.project(a)googlemail.com by 25 May 2010. They should consist of the following: a) Title of proposed paper, and author(s) b) Outline structure of paper including section and sub-section headings c) 300-500 word executive summary of paper's rationale, focus and content d) Two-page CV for each proposed author focusing particularly on past publication and contract research experience in ICCD or related areas You are welcome to contact us in advance of the deadline if you have any queries. This call can be found at: http://www.niccd.org/themecall.htm Richard Heeks & Angelica Ospina Climate Change, Innovation and ICTs Research Project Dgroups is a joint initiative of Bellanet, DFID, Hivos, ICA, ICCO, IICD, OneWorld, UNAIDS and World Bank --- You are currently subscribed to pan-idrcictdrm as: msmith(a)idrc.ca To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-pan-idrcictdrm-1177693B(a)dgroups.idrc.ca Dgroups is a joint initiative of Bellanet, DFID, Hivos, ICA, ICCO, IICD, OneWorld, UNAIDS and World Bank --- You are currently subscribed to ict4d-futures as: eadera(a)idrc.or.ke To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ict4d-futures-75952T(a)dgroups.idrc.ca

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Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
by emmanuel.khisa＠kadet.co.ke 29 Apr '10

29 Apr '10

Did I miss some news? I thought what I happened in North Eastern (Mandera) to be specific was a decree that even the Kenyan chief's proclaim from time to time in "Christian" Kenya. When this happens it affects both Christian and Muslim youth alike. I am bound to be corrected but this is happening not under the new Constitution but the current one and so my question is what has it got to do with the new constitution? What has it got to do with the Kadhi's courts or any of those parts being contested? I really think that as reasonable and kind Christ followers, we must ask ourselves, what's Christ do? Regards, Emmanuel PS: The views expressed here are my own.. > -------Original Message------- > From: Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke> > To: emmanuel.khisa(a)kadet.co.ke > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs > Sent: Apr 26 '10 22:26 > > You mean, there is something called Sharia law, in this country...??? > > Last time I checked, it's the kind of law applied and dictated by > fundamentalists > upon hapless citizenry, with no regard whatsoever for the very basic of > basic > human rights.. > > So, who is fooling who..? Next thing, internet will be outlawed in that > section > of the nation. Who knows where next. And this is at a time we working to > open up space and bridge the national divide. Time to smell coffee... > > Harry > > > -------------------- > FROM: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] ON > BEHALF OF S.Murigi Muraya > SENT: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:09 AM > TO: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke > CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > SUBJECT: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs > > > Please note Article 24 Subsection 4 of our soon to be new constitution > limits how the Bill of Rights may apply to the one religion the Kenyan > state is funding with the approval of Kenyans who vote YES! > > Of course the Kenyan media is too busy slandering Churches to point this > out. > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Wainaina Mungai <[LINK: > mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org] wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> wrote: > The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law, outlaw DSTV, > video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have come at a > more unfortunate time. The support they have received from SUPREM > (Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims) further complicates the debate on > the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our Constitution. > > Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent 'treason' in > my secular nation, President Kibaki and Prime Minister Odinga must > also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts are omitted > from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with the NO > campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question. No > religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy the privileges > of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that may > disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs. > > My vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured > by the Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or > Christian cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting > to determine where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I do > so; where and what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular > KENYA. > > No religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular Kenya and > no loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such > treasonable actions. > > Regards, > Wainaina > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > Wainaina Mungai > ----- > [LINK: http://www.bungesms.com] http://www.bungesms.com > [LINK: http://www.madeinkenya.org] http://www.madeinkenya.org > [LINK: http://www.wainainamungai.com] http://www.wainainamungai.com > > Thousands of candles can be lighted from a single candle, and the life > of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by > being shared. ~ Buddha~ > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > [LINK: mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke] kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > [LINK: http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet] > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: [LINK: mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com] > murigi.muraya(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at [LINK: > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.…] > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.… > > > -------------------- > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > [LINK: compose.php?to=kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > [LINK: http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet] > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: [LINK: > compose.php?to=emmanuel.khisa(a)kadet.co.ke] emmanuel.khisa(a)kadet.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at [LINK: > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emmanuel.khisa%40kadet…] > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emmanuel.khisa%40kadet…

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2days to Go! Internet Governance Policy training @IDLELO4
by Judy Okite 29 Apr '10

29 Apr '10

Dear Members, for all of you who will be participating @IDLELO4....might be interested to joining us for the Pre-conference training on Internet Governance... Kindly,send your applications ASAP so that you do not miss out.... More info on the attached document. Kind Regards, Okite. -- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan

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Fwd: The 2011 Global Outsourcing 100 Rankings
by Paul Kukubo 29 Apr '10

29 Apr '10

Listers The Kenya ICT Board has maintained membership of the International Association of Outsourcing Professionals, http://www.iaop.org for the past 2 years. We have provided access to members of the BPO Society to access resources. Indeed some of have used these resources in developing proposals and preparing for meetings. We encourage greater utilization of these resources. See below an important update and contact Andrew Lewela at the Kenya ICT Board for further details on this. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Pam O'Dell <pam.odell(a)iaop.org> Date: Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 5:30 PM Subject: The 2011 Global Outsourcing 100 Rankings To: Paul Kukubo <pkukubo(a)ict.go.ke> The 2010 Global Outsourcing 100 and select sub-lists, and the World’s Best Outsourcing Advisors were published by IAOP and recognized in a special advertising feature in FORTUNE<https://www.outsourcingprofessional.org/download/docdownload.asp?DID=1438> ® magazine’s May 3, 2010 FORTUNE 500 issue — one of the world’s leading publications. IAOP has published the ranked Global Outsourcing 100 list with all of the sub-lists on its website at www.iaop.org. The lists will remain as permanent references in the IAOP Outsourcing Professional Book of Knowledge (OPBOK). This is your opportunity to gain exceptional recognition for your firm — if it provides outsourcing provider or advisory services — or to help your top provider partners gain the recognition they deserve. The Global Outsourcing 100 and its select sub-lists are essential references for companies seeking new and expanded relationships with the best companies in the industry. The lists include service provider and advisory companies from around the world that provide the full spectrum of outsourcing services. They include not only today’s leaders, but tomorrow’s rising stars. The World’s Best Outsourcing Advisors is geared specifically to companies that are outstanding global outsourcing advisors and consultants. In addition to being part of The Global Outsourcing 100 main list and sub-lists of service providers*, *the list of advisors will rank the top consultant, legal, and related advisory firms globally, and will be a valuable reference tool for companies needing expert advice and guidance with their outsourcing projects. The independently judged evaluation process mirrors the Request for Proposal process employed by many top customers and considers four key criteria: size and growth, customer experience, depth and breadth of competencies and management capabilities. Companies are ranked on quality based on the information provided by each company on its application in combination with independent research and customer references. The opt-in applications for the 2011 rankings will open on September 1, 2010. So your company receives all important communications regarding the rankings, please let me know by return email that you’re interested and I’ll add your name to our Global Outsourcing 100 early notification list. I’ve attached a pdf of FAQs for the 2011 rankings with additional details. I will be hosting a special complementary Global Outsourcing 100 webinar that you may join as follows: *Topic:* The Global Outsourcing 100<http://www.outsourcingprofessional.org/content/23/152/1793/> *Date:* May 4, 2010 at 9 am EDT *Presenter:* Pam O'Dell, IAOP *Sign up:* GO100<https://www.outsourcingprofessional.org/catalog/buy.asp?PID=429> I look forward to hearing from you soon. Regards, Pam *Pamela O'Dell **|* Director, Corporate & Professional Development *International Association of Outsourcing Professionals®** (IAOP**®**)* +1.845.452.0600 ext. 121 | Fax +1.845.452.6988 pam.odell(a)IAOP.org | www.IAOP.org *IAOP is the global standard-setting organization and advocate for the outsourcing profession.* ___________________________________________________________________ * * *Disclaimer: The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient or have received this email in error you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.*

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One more day for edits-accomplishments of ICT board? Digital villages?
by warigia bowman 28 Apr '10

28 Apr '10

Dear colleagues I have a reprieve Can you please help me with final edits since I just had a baby. I still am looking for a few lines on the importance (and accomplishments) of the ICT Board. I found an April 15 article on digital villages, but it would be good to know where the GoK plans to locate them. Here is an additional paragraph I wrote for my conclusion based on what Harry sent me. *As this document goes to publication, Kenya has four cellular telephony providers, Zain Kenya, Safaricom, Orange, and Essar Yu. This means that competition is heating up in this market, but Kenya still is catching up with its neighbors. **Accordingly, Kenyan consumers have continued to pay sharply higher tariffs than necessary for mobile telephony. The lack of competitiveness in Kenya’s mobile telephony sector is reflected in comparatively high prices. On average, Kenyans pay more than most Africans for cellular telephony, giving up nearly 24 percent of their monthly GNI for mobile services per capita.**[i]** The most impressive recent achievement of the Kenyan government in the ICT sector has been its participation in the live marine Internet cable projects, including EASSy, TEAMs and SEACOM. These have increased internet speeds dramatically, reduced broadband pricing for consumers, and may reduce prices for mobile consumers.*

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Fwd: The top of the ICT world will meet in Amsterdam; you want to be part of this unique event? Do not forget to register on short notice for WITSA´s WCIT 2010!
by waudo siganga 28 Apr '10

28 Apr '10

Attending the World Congress on IT ([1]www.wcit2010.org) next month in Amsterdam could be of interest to some colleagues. Waudo ----- Original message ----- From: "Anders Halvorsen" <ahalvorsen(a)witsa.org> To: "Jim Poisant" <jpoisant(a)witsa.org> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:14:16 -0400 Subject: The top of the ICT world will meet in Amsterdam; you want to be part of this unique event? Do not forget to register on short notice for WITSA´s WCIT 2010! April 23, 2010 TO: Members of the World Information Technology and Services Alliance (WITSA) FR: Drs. Bernd W.E. Taselaar, Chief Operating Officer ICT~Office WITSA Vice-Chairman for Western Europe RE: The top of the ICT world will meet in Amsterdam; you want to be part of this unique event? Do not forget to register on short notice for WITSA´s WCIT 2010! _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ ____________ Dear Colleagues, Herewith I would remind you to register on short notice for WITSA´s 17th World Congress on Information Technology 2010 (WCIT 2010). WCIT 2010 will be held from May 25 to May 27 2010. The top of the ICT world will meet in Amsterdam; you want to be part of this unique event? WCIT 2010 will bring together more than 2.000 captains of industry, government leaders and academics from over 60 countries around the world. Speakers from the business community not only include global CEO's like Paul Otellini (Intel), Mike Fries (Liberty Global), Natarajan Chandrasekaran (CEO Tata Consulting Services), Steven Elop (President Microsoft Business Division) and Virginia Rometty (Senior VP Global Sales & Distribution IBM) and Lynn Blodgett (President & CEO Xerox ACS), but also the world's youngest CEO Suhas Gopinath (CEO & President of Globals Inc.). Also EU Commssioner Kroes and more than 25 ministers will attend WCIT, among others from Russia, India, Brazil, Canada and most EU countries. WCIT 2010 is supported by the European Commission and is an official event of the Spanish Presidency of the European Union. For more details please check the extensive website [2]www.wcit2010.org and enclosed program outline. One of the outcomes of WCIT 2010 will be the adaptation of the Declaration of Amsterdam. This statement will spell out the commitments to direct the use of IT to stimulate growth and address key societal challenges such as climate change, healthcare and eInclusion. For your personal information I included the draft version of WCIT's Declaration of Amsterdam, which includes a call for action. One of these days a special website will be launched for getting input for the declaration globally. Special fee for all delegates of WITSA members In addition to our former proposal I am very happy that thanks to support of the European Commission and the Dutch government I can offer every WITSA member to obtain WCIT 2010 ticket for the very special price of just € 1000,- ex VAT. We are very happy to offer you this package and encourage all of you to come and visit Amsterdam. Also a special spouse program is offered. Special delegation packages can be discussed directly with the WCIT 2010 organization ([3]mschipper(a)wcit2010.org) As WCIT 2010 is an invitation only event please send the names of your delegates to [4]registration(a)wcit2010.org (reference: WITSA Tickets). You will be sent a confirmation, an invoice and the log-in codes to finalize your registration (only trade associations can apply, not individuals). The reservation is final when payment is received by WCIT 2010. Airfrance KLM is the WCIT 2010 airline partner and offers interesting discounts as sent to you before. Hotels in Amsterdam For hotels please use the Amsterdam RAI Hotel & Travel Service, which can offer you considerable savings. The online reservation system allows you to search for hotels by star rating and area. Additionally you can find detailed information about each hotel. For group bookings and tailor made advice please contact hotelservice(a)rai.nl. The special WCIT 2010 room rates at the official hotels are limited, so please have your booking as soon as possible as the last blocked hotel rooms will be released shortly. For the special WCIT 2010 hotel deals please check [5]https://www.rai-hotelservice.com/compass/external/index.cfm?&m eeting_ID=1027&Meeting_ID_Code=623230780 Join us in coming to Amsterdam! WCIT 2010 will be a unique event. You do not want to miss this event as the global ICT world will mark a turning point here! I case you want to come with a larger country delegation or have special requests for showcasing your country and/ or companies please contact Mark Schipper, account manager international WCIT 2010 ([6]mschipper(a)wcit2010.org) I am very much looking forward to see you next month in Amsterdam! With best regards, drs. Bernd W.E. Taselaar Chief Operating Officer ICT~Office Vice-Chairman WE WITSA References 1. http://www.wcit2010.org/ 2. http://www.wcit2010.org/ 3. mailto:mschipper@wcit2010.org 4. mailto:registration@wcit2010.org 5. https://www.rai-hotelservice.com/compass/external/index.cfm?&meeting_ID=102… 6. mailto:mschipper@wcit2010.org

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Call for Proposals- 2nd Annual Information Communication Technology & Network Security Conference (Secure ICT 2010)
by Evans Kahuthu 28 Apr '10

28 Apr '10

Dear Listers, The 2nd Annual Information Communication Technology & Network Security Conference (Secure ICT 2010) will be held on Sept 8-9, 2010 at the PanAfric Hotel in Nairobi, Kenya. Secure ICT 2010 is a "must attend" event for those tasked with protecting personal or confidential information in a rapidly changing technological environment. The security of ICT infrastructure is of critical importance. This year's conference sessions address new and continuing threats to information security as well as responses to the increasing risk of security breaches and data exfiltration, identity theft, cyber terrorism and more. The conference will provide information security professionals and managers with the most up-to-date information, tools, trends, legislation, and strategies for addressing information security issues. Plan to meet with your colleagues from around the region, the nation and the world in Nairobi to learn from recognized experts at Secure ICT 2010. Conference participants are invited to submit proposals for the conference presentation. For more information about the conference, visit http://secureict.co.ke/, To submit a proposal visit http://secureict.co.ke/proposals.aspx Evans

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ICT Board Interim Updates
by Paul Kukubo 28 Apr '10

28 Apr '10

Listers 1. Kenya ICT Board and the Kenya ICT Reporters Association (KIRA) headed by Ratemo held a media workshop today at the Intercontinental Hotel Nairobi. Topics included case studies on new media by the Capital Group, presentations on various technologies and initiatives including how to build an online presence, managing IT projects, blogging, citizen journalism, an update on ICT Board initiatives and new media for journalists. This is the first of many such workshops organized by the Kenya ICT Board to build greater knowledge among ICT writers and reporters on this very varied subject of ICT. A link to presentations will be on our website www.ict.go.ke in due course. 2. The Kenya ICT Board's project manager for BPO ITES, Andrew Lewela and a representative from the Skills Taskforce set up by the Permanent Secretary Ministry of Information and COmmunication, have been attending the 2nd PAN-Commonwealth Conference on Services Trade which is sponsored by The Commonwealth Secretariat and organised in collaboration with The World Bank Institute, Regional Multidisciplinary Centre of Excellence (RMCE), Mauritius and COMESA at the Sheraton Hotel in Mauritius, 20-22 April 10. The purpose of the conference is to allow greater collaboration among BPO ITES decision makers and players from the commonwealth. 3. The Kenya ICT Board's Strategic plan 2010-12 is nearing completion and there is a plan to subject this to stakeholder validation prior to its planned launch in June 2010. More details on this later. I am sure this document will be of immense interest to stakeholders. 4. The Kenya ICT Board will finalise the commission of state-of-the-art CISCO Telepresence Video Conferencing Center at the offices, 12th floor Teleposta Towers. The equipment has been installed and is due to go live within the next 2 weeks. The Board intends to provide support to the BPO ITES sector via this equipment by enabling private sector players to video conference with prospective clients. It will also be used for high level training. Working with other organizations within government and private sector, the Kenya ICT Board plans to provide exposure of this technology to school parties from all over the country as part of national capacity building. More on this later. 5. The 2nd Tandaa symposium on local content will take place on May 6th 2010 at the University of Nairobi. The Symposium will features some of the hottest Kenyan filmmakers and animators including Wanuri Kahiu, director of Pumzi, Kenya’s first sci-fi film and Jim Chuchu, director of the Ha-He video by Just a band – Kenya’s first truly viral internet video. Join us to listen to leaders in the film and animation industry speak about the impact of the internet, the challenges facing distribution of Kenyan films and the importance of a good story in developing new content from Kenya. Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment

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Should Kenya have a state religion?
by Wainaina Mungai 28 Apr '10

28 Apr '10

Dear Fatma, You made me ask myself a pertinent question: "Is Kenya really a secular state?" Almost all political and other leaders mix their religious convictions with their statutory or political roles. From the President, his deputies, coucillors, chiefs, Headmasters, etc religion is apparent in their actions. We also have different by-laws in parts of Kenya that seem to be based on Islam, Christianity etc in various parts of Kenya. I wonder if Kenyans should simply be asked to vote for a state religion and make some provisions that accommodate the ''minority'' religions. We'd have a State religion and have provisions on law that protect persons who do not profess that religion. How palatable is that? Wainaina -- Sent from my mobile device Wainaina Mungai ----- http://www.bungesms.com http://www.madeinkenya.org http://www.wainainamungai.com Thousands of candles can be lighted from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared. ~ Buddha~

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Is anyone online, need urgent fact check
by warigia bowman 27 Apr '10

27 Apr '10

Dear colleagues I have a paper going out for publication on Kenyan ICT Policy. I urgently need to do some (limited) fact checking. Is anyone online to help me? Rigia -- Dr. Warigia Bowman Assistant Professor The Department of Public Policy Leadership The University of Mississippi 107 Odom Hall University, MS 38677 URL: http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/leadership/index.html PHONE: 662-915-1904 EMAIL: mwbowman(a)olemiss.edu

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FW: On maternity leave until May 2010 RE: Is anyone online, need urgent fact check
by Harry Delano 27 Apr '10

27 Apr '10

Hey Listers, Did Warigia just ask for some input a while ago... Her inbox says, she's on Maternity leave. Anyone..? If so, congratulations - prof.. Harry -----Original Message----- From: warigia bowman [mailto:warigia@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:26 PM To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Subject: On maternity leave until May 2010 RE: [kictanet] Is anyone online, need urgent fact check Thank you for your message! I am not able to check my email regularly. I just had a baby. I am on maternity leave. I will try to reply to your email sometime in the next two weeks.. Thanks, Rigia -- Dr. Warigia Bowman Assistant Professor The Department of Public Policy Leadership The University of Mississippi 107 Odom Hall University, MS 38677 URL: http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/leadership/index.html PHONE: 662-915-1904 EMAIL: mwbowman(a)olemiss.edu

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FW: Kenyan debate
by Edith Adera 27 Apr '10

27 Apr '10

F YI For those who doubt the Abortion agenda in our draft constitution this will shed light. Take time to read and ponder over the issue. This ties Article 2 (6), article 26 (4) and article 43 (1)

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Red card to sheikhs
by Fatma Bashir 27 Apr '10

27 Apr '10

Listers I read the newspaper article and tried very hard to join the dots between the ban ,existing kadhis courts and the whole Sheria law and the new constitution issue. Obviuosly I could not find any link, please find a response below to the issues raised by my fellow lister Wainaina. > > The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law, outlaw DSTV, > video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have come at a > more unfortunate time. The support they have received from SUPREM > (Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims) further complicates the debate on > the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our Constitution. > > > > I am not sure where the information came from that the closing down > of video dens has anything to do with enforcement of shari’ah law. > It is a matter of fact that video dens, which are scattered all over > the less affluent regions of the country, and mainly in slums, are > responsible for very many ills in those areas. Talk to anyone livin > g in a slum in Nairobi and they will testify to the fact that not on > ly are children missing school to watch unsuitable movies, they are > picking up extremely bad habits from these video dens and are being > exposed to sexual abuse by sexual predators who not only give them > the entrance fee to watch some movies but prey on them while they ar > e in those very dens. It is about time somebody stood up to this. > ( we are assisting a family whose story we are describing in this re > sponse to this mail) Secondly, you must be more responsible when mak > ing a statement such as ‘outlaw DSTV video dens and related activiti > es’. The only thing that was outlawed was the video dens and it was > done with the full support of the local authorities. If you live i > n Mandera and decide to install DSTV in your own house, then so be i > t but please, lets be responsible for what our children are being fe > d by way of ‘entertainment’ > > Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent 'treason' in > my secular nation, President Kibaki and Prime Minister Odinga must > also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts are omitted > from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with the NO > campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question. No > religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy the privileges > of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that may > disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs. > > My vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured > by the Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or > Christian cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting > to determine where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I do > so; where and what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular > KENYA > > You can watch your supersport matches where you please and drink > smoke as well these are personal choices which we all make and not > to bring religion into this (sic) bit no religion allows these > activities openly if the sermons I watch on TV are to be > believed .Try talking to someone whose child is exposed to this and > lets hear what they have to say( I hear its the work of the devo) > This is not about kadhi’s courts, this is about protecting children > in Kenya and I hope these are not your views I am hoping that maybe > you are just carried away by time or were tired ( you did send your > post rather late) take the time to talk to someone whose child has b > een exposed to pornography and sexuality when they are not ready for > it. This is not about religion, but about right thinking adults see > king to protect children. > > No religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular Kenya and > no loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such > treasonable actions. > > PS: Kenya is not a secular state. If it was, Raila would not go to > such lengths to get himself baptized, and neither would the > President going to church on Sunday be attended by ministers and > PSs. Incidentally, I would like to know who fuels his car and pays > for this bodyguards on Sunday when he attends church – yes, yours an > d my hard earned taxes. Don’t fool yourself. Maybe this is just new > twist on the drive to up the NO campaign? > > Regards, > Fatma > > > > > > > >

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Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
by emmanuel.khisa＠kadet.co.ke 27 Apr '10

27 Apr '10

Samuel, But what say you of the Christian town of Kijabe, where cigars nor bars are never to be sighted? And this has been the case in Kijabe for years and even captured in the newspapers a few years ago. Kijabe town proclamation by Christians and Mandera one by Muslims...which is lesser of an evil? Again the whole argument shouldnt be tied to the proposed consititution since its happening right under the watch of the current constitution. So to say NO would simply retain the status quo which has the same provisions already. My cent's worth. > -------Original Message------- > From: Samuel Gichuru <gichuru(a)gmail.com> > To: emmanuel.khisa(a)kadet.co.ke > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs > Sent: Apr 27 '10 05:59 > > This is unbelivable, Wainana, I totally agree with you.. on that statement. > and I will quote it again > > "My� vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured by > the Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or > Christian� cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting to > determine� � where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I do so; > where and� � what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular KENYA." > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:48 AM, <[LINK: mailto:emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke] > emmanuel.khisa(a)kadet.co.ke> wrote: > Did I miss some news? > > I thought what I happened in North Eastern (Mandera) to be specific was a > decree that even the Kenyan chief's proclaim from time to time in > "Christian" Kenya. When this happens it affects both Christian and Muslim > youth alike. > > I am bound to be corrected but this is happening not under the new > Constitution but the current one and so my question is what has it got to > do with the new constitution? What has it got to do with the Kadhi's > courts or any of those parts being contested? > > I really think that as reasonable and kind Christ followers, we must ask > ourselves, what's Christ do? > > Regards, > > Emmanuel > PS: The views expressed here are my own.. > > > > � -------Original Message------- > > � From: Harry Delano <[LINK: mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke] > harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke> > > � To: [LINK: mailto:emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke] > emmanuel.khisa(a)kadet.co.ke > > � Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <[LINK: > mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke] kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > � Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs > > � Sent: Apr 26 '10 22:26 > > > > � You mean, there is something called Sharia law, in this > � country...??? > > > > � Last time I checked, it's the kind of law applied and dictated > � by > > � fundamentalists > > � upon hapless citizenry, with no regard � whatsoever for the very basic > of > > � basic > > � human rights.. > > > > � So, who is fooling who..? � Next thing, internet will be � outlawed in > that > > � section > > � of the nation. Who knows where next. And this is at a time we > � working to > > � open up space and bridge the national divide. Time to smell > � coffee... > > > > � Harry > > > > > > � -------------------- > > � FROM: � kictanet-bounces+harry=[LINK: http://comtelsys.co.ke] > comtelsys.co.ke@[LINK: http://lists.kictanet.or.ke] lists.kictanet.or.ke > > � [mailto:[LINK: mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry] > kictanet-bounces+harry=[LINK: http://comtelsys.co.ke] > comtelsys.co.ke@[LINK: http://lists.kictanet.or.ke] lists.kictanet.or.ke] > ON > > � BEHALF OF S.Murigi Muraya > > � SENT: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:09 � AM > > � TO: [LINK: mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke] harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke > > � CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy � Discussions > > � SUBJECT: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the � Sheikhs > > > > > > � Please note Article 24 Subsection 4 of our soon to be new > � constitution > > � limits how the Bill of Rights may apply to the one religion the > � Kenyan > > � state is funding with the approval of Kenyans who vote YES! > > > > � Of � course the Kenyan media is too busy slandering Churches to point > this > > � out. > > > > > > � On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Wainaina Mungai <[LINK: > > � mailto:[LINK: mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org] > wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org] [LINK: mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org] > wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> � wrote: > > � The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law, � outlaw > DSTV, > > � video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have � come at a > > � more unfortunate time. The support they have received from � SUPREM > > � (Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims) further complicates the debate � > on > > � the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our � Constitution. > > > > � Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent � > 'treason' in > > � my secular nation, � President Kibaki and Prime Minister � Odinga > must > > � also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts are � > omitted > > � from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with the � > NO > > � campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question. � No > > � religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy the � > privileges > > � of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that � may > > � disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs. > > > > � My � vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am > assured > > � by the � Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or > > � Christian � cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of > attempting > > � to determine � where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I > do > > � so; where and � what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular > > � KENYA. > > > > � No � religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular > Kenya and > > � no � loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such > > � treasonable � actions. > > > > � Regards, > > � Wainaina > > > > � -- > > � Sent from my mobile � device > > > > � Wainaina Mungai > > � ----- > > � [LINK: [LINK: http://www.bungesms.com] http://www.bungesms.com] [LINK: > http://www.bungesms.com] http://www.bungesms.com > > � [LINK: [LINK: http://www.madeinkenya.org] http://www.madeinkenya.org] > [LINK: http://www.madeinkenya.org] http://www.madeinkenya.org > > � [LINK: [LINK: http://www.wainainamungai.com] > http://www.wainainamungai.com] [LINK: http://www.wainainamungai.com] > http://www.wainainamungai.com > > > > � Thousands of candles � can be lighted from a single candle, and the > life > > � of the candle will not be � shortened. 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Fw: [ke-internetusers] at inflated shs 20 billion, let's just forget 'Number Portability' ever benefiting consumers
by Walubengo J 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

The above thread was floated on a neighboring list and has failed to attract any official answers and I thought maybe KICTAnet might have some answers...even from a technical point of view. For example. 1. Is it possible for Number Portability Solution to be provisioned Ksh @ 20Million? (250,000USD) as opposed to ksh 20Billion as alleged in the newspaper article? 2. What are the key price factors in such a technology as well as price experiences elsewhere across the world? 3. Is this Number Portability thing really going to take off? What are the planned timelines and how much would it really cost the consumer 4. Must we enactment the Freedom of Information Act in order to extract these answers? feel free to answer All, One or None of the above ;-) walu. --- On Sat, 4/17/10, Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> wrote: From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> Subject: [ke-internetusers] at inflated shs 20 billion, let's just forget 'Number Portability' ever benefiting consumers To: "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Cc: "info" <info(a)cck.go.ke> Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 12:37 PM Good people, Sometimes it is necessary to start with the conclusion then build the argument. Conclusions: a) Local Number Portability may, after all, never not take off, or be of much use consumers, b) The country need to avoid celebrating premature local Number Portability implementation, c) Media caution against dancing to rhythmic gymnastics: 'great new Number Portability' tunes, d) Communications Commission of Kenya may be further eroding it's consumer protection teeth, Why? Trouble looms large on the horizon of Number Portability – a great technology but we risk oppositely live to regret its local implementation route. Intention hereby to provoke detailed information responses from the concerned. Regards the attached newspaper cutting, confidential sources allude,“..one of the bidders felt the portability thing could be done with around Ksh 20Million, how the 20B guys won remains a mystery...this enormous amount will simply find its way lumped onto the consumers after the operators have paid for it.” My documented view has always been that Number Portability should be funded from the Universal Service fund created by the Communications Act. Background: Hello CCK, Number Portability is a Consumer Protection Tool Alex Gakuru 12 November 2007 Consumers are stuck without the option to switch to a different operator while keeping their mobile phone number and are hesitant to change to avoid losing important future calls in the persistent status quo. This is at odds with the law commanding the Communications Commission of Kenya to ensure consumers are protected offering a raft of implementation avenues. But when CCK gives up implementation of number portability citing complexity, high costs, duopolists' disinterest, and no licence applicants for the service category, the issue escalates to bursting limits considering the prevailing high communication tariffs that hurt businesses but the service providers. .. http://allafrica.com/stories/200711120436.html A reader's reaction: From: Okoth Okwemba <ookwemba(a)dtbkenya.co.ke> Date: Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 3:37 PM Subject: hello CCK, number portability is a consumer protection tool To: gakuru(a)gmail.com Well done Gakuru on this article. This is excellent. The CCK has been told, let us find a way to compel it to act swiftly and deal with the lack of accountability that sees it get away with such laxity and abdication of duty. The Kenya Private Sector Alliance might be an organisiation you might want to involve. Well done again. Regards, Okoth References: i) Cost/Recovery: 'Funding Models for AIN-Based Local Number Portability' http://www2.sis.pitt.edu/~mweiss/papers/lnp-funding.pdf ii) Increased Consumer Choice: 'Wireless Local Number Portability' http://www.kpmg.com.co/publicaciones/publicaciones_ICE/WLNP.pdf iii) Stakeholders:'Number Portability Worldwide Implementation Experience' http://www.canto.org/doc/gabriellago.ppt -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers

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FW: Trusted Community Representatives: ICANN
by alice＠apc.org 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

Forwarded message:Message from Doug Brent. As you know, ICANN (as the IANA functions operator) is working jointly with VeriSign (as the root zone maintainer) in the process of making the root of the DNS more secure through the implementation of DNSSEC. As part of this joint effort with the US Department of Commerce, ICANN will seek on a provisional basis the participation of a number of persons to participate in the root key generation and signing ceremonies. These persons are called Trusted Community Representatives (“TCRs”). The TCRs will be chosen by ICANN based on Statements of Interest from the Internet community. The initial TCR selection will be on a provisional basis, to determine the viability of the approach based upon the first initialization of the Hardware Security Modules (HSMs) and key generation that are scheduled to take place in June of this year. There are two types of TCRs – a “Crypto Officer” and a “Recovery Key Share Holder”. A Crypto Officer participates in activating (enabling) the HSM containing the private half of the DNSSEC root Key Signing Key (KSK) before that module may be used for cryptographic operations. Seven (7) individuals are designated for each ICANN-operated secure KSK facility, with one facility located on the U.S. East Coast and another facility on the U.S. West Coast, for a total of 14 Crypto Officers. It is expected that each TCR will be required to travel to either the US East or West Coast ICANN KSK facility up to four (4) times a year. A Recovery Key Share Holder is responsible for protecting a part of a key used to encrypt backup copies of the HSM contents. Each share holder is responsible for keeping a smart card (in a tamper-evident bag) in a bank safe deposit box accessible by them. Seven (7) individuals are required. After HSM initialization, the share holder is not expected to participate in any scheduled ceremonies, but must be able to travel to an ICANN KSK facility in the US on relatively short notice at any time when requested. Share holders must participate in the annual inventory by providing proof of possession of their smart card. As leaders of the ICANN community, we would like to ask you to help communicate this opportunity to qualified individuals to serve as TCRs. We intend to select individuals that are committed to the security of the DNS and, as much as possible, reflect geographic diversity. Qualified candidates should be knowledgeable about the technical functions for which ICANN has responsibilities. For an individual to be considered, he or she must submit a Statement of Interest following the application procedures that are to be published on the ICANN and http://www.root-dnssec.org/tcr/ websites. Based on these submissions, ICANN will select 21 TCRs along with a reserve list of candidates for use as replacements if needed. For more information about the TCR program and the application and selection process, please visit http://www.root-dnssec.org . TCRs will serve an important function in enhancing the security of the DNS and to the greatest extent possible should reflect the diverse makeup of the ICANN community. Please help us communicate this need. Thank you in advance for your help and consideration. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks,Doug--Doug BrentChief Operating OfficerICANNVoice: +1 310.301.3871Mobile: +1 650.996.4447Fax: +1 310.823.8649 ________________________________________ Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya

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An opportunity
by Okech 24 Apr '10

24 Apr '10

Listers, A cousin of mine applied for a job and was given an address through his mobile on where to get details of application as below. http://www.transcargohandlers.com/ I visited the site and do feel that it's some people out to make money from desperate job seekers. You can look at it and make your conclusions. Now, if it's indeed conning, how do we deal with such situations? Do we have policies in place to handle such cases ? Regards, Okech JMMy blog

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Re: [kictanet] UNDESA 2010 Report on egovernance - East Africa
by John K. Njoroge 22 Apr '10

22 Apr '10

Thanks Dandjinou Pierre. “The 2010 United Nations e-Government Survey: Leveraging e-government at a time of financial and economic crisis” will certainly help developing countries like Kenya to stay focused and consistent with our future national goals and objectives, as stipulated in the ‘Kenya Vision 2030’. The United Nations e-Government Survey which begun in the year 2003, has been quite useful for Worldwide e-government development. *An observation:* Apart from the United Republic of Tanzania which has go up 6 places and Burundi (which did not move a place), the other East African Countries including Kenya, have dropped places in the World e-government development ranking and therefore a general drop in the overall E-government development index value for East Africa. Below are the world rankings for East Africa since 2003: *No.* *Country* *2010* *2008* *2005* *2004* *2003* 1. Kenya 124 122 122 126 118 2. United Republic of Tanzania 137 143 127 131 135 3. Uganda 142 133 125 114 119 4. Rwanda 148 141 143 140 138 5. Burundi 174 174 166 166 152 However, “notwithstanding the overall low scores of the e-government development index in the region, some countries have managed to improve their Web presence either in national portals or ministry websites. *Kenya’s national portal received the highest score in the region*…….” “The websites of most ministries in the region provide basic information, *but e-services are generally not available*.” The Top Ranked in Africa are: 1. Tunisia 2. Mauritius 3. Egypt 4. South Africa 5. Seychelles 6. Cape Verde 7. Libya 8. Botswana 9. Lesotho 10. Gabon Certainly, Kenya and East Africa as a region, have a very long way to go. The top ten in Africa are good places for benchmarking. Looking deep, at our situation here in Kenya, I believe that the future is bright and the best is yet to come. Broadband has come ‘on time’ to boost e-Government in Kenya. Kind regards John K. Njoroge Directorate of e-Government On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou(a)gmail.com>wrote: > FYI, > Now available from UN DESA Web site: http://www.unpan.org/egovernment.asp > > The 2010 United Nations e-Government Survey: Leveraging e-government at a > time of financial and economic crisis was completed in December 2009 and > launched in early 2010. The report presented various roles for e-government > in addressing the ongoing world financial and economic crisis. The public > trust that is gained through transparency can be further enhanced through > the free sharing of government data based on open standards. > > The ability of e-government to handle speed and complexity can also > underpin regulatory reform. While technology is no substitute for good > policy, it may give citizens the power to question the actions of regulators > and bring systemic issues to the fore. Similarly, e-government can add > agility to public service delivery to help governments respond to an > expanded set of demands even as revenues fall short. Since the last edition > of the survey, in 2008, governments have made great strides in development > of online services, especially in middle-income countries. The costs > associated with telecommunication infrastructure and human capital continue > to impede e-government development. However, effective strategies and legal > frameworks can compensate significantly, even in least developed countries. > Those who are able to harness the potential of expanded broadband access in > developed regions and mobile cellular networks in developing countries to > advance the UN development agenda have much to gain going forward. > > Pierre Dandjinou > eGovernance Advisor > Strategic Consulting Group > www.scg.bj > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: kabogojn(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kabogojn%40gmail.com > >

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FW: World Bank Frees Up Development Data
by Edith Adera 21 Apr '10

21 Apr '10

This might be of interest ============== World Bank Frees Up Development Data data.worldbank.org Bank Group offers free access to more than 2,000 financial, business, health, economic and human development statistics via a new website: data.worldbank.org. An initial 330 indicators are available in French, Spanish and Arabic. Experts say open access policy will foster innovation, support evidence-based policymaking April 20, 2010-The World Bank Group said today it will offer free access to more than 2,000 financial, business, health, economic and human development statistics that had mostly been available only to paying subscribers. The decision─part of a larger effort to increase access to information at the World Bank─means that researchers, journalists, nongovernmental organizations (NGOs), entrepreneurs and school children alike will be able to tap into the World Bank's databases via a new website, data.worldbank.org. Experts say the Bank's open data initiative has the potential to stimulate more evidence-based policymaking in developing countries by bringing more researchers and innovative analysis into the development process. The move is also likely to stimulate demand for data and increase countries' capacity to produce it, they say. And, for the first time, data will be available in languages other than English, with an initial 330 indicators translated into French, Spanish and Arabic. "It's important to make the data and knowledge of the World Bank available to everyone," World Bank President Robert B. Zoellick said. "Statistics tell the story of people in developing and emerging countries and can play an important part in helping to overcome poverty." --- You are currently subscribed to ipdet as: csinha(a)idrc.ca To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-2526524-8408522.36ba67c18ba0fc70726bd9e5e78bbe2c(a)lists.worldbank.org Dgroups is a joint initiative of Bellanet, DFID, Hivos, ICA, ICCO, IICD, OneWorld, UNAIDS and World Bank --- You are currently subscribed to ict4d-futures as: eadera(a)idrc.or.ke To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ict4d-futures-75952T(a)dgroups.idrc.ca

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Networking sites fail to protect children from, abuse, says CEOP head
by alice 21 Apr '10

21 Apr '10

Networking sites fail to protect children from abuse, says CEOP head Adam Fresco Social networking sites including MySpace and Facebook are leaving l children vulnerable to abuse from paedophiles by refusing to embed a free online safety button on their sites allowing users to report abuse, according to the senior policeman responsible for child protection online. Jim Gamble, head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) which devised the “report button”, has launched an unprecedented attack on the sites saying that it is time for them to stop hiding behind excuses and put their money where their mouth issign up to its free abuse button. After years of trying to get them to use CEOP’s free abuse button, which links children and teenagers to advice sites for bullying or abuse, as well as directing them to counsellors and law enforcement staff, Mr Gamble said that he had had enough of their “red herrings”. Yesterday Bebo announced that it would be using the CEOP button. In the past three years 5,000 investigations have been initiated because of information received from someone using the button and 800 arrests made. Mr Gamble said: “We want to see the big sites doing the same thing. We have spoken to some of them and they are trying to pull relationships with CEOP closer to the surface but that is not good enough. “We give them the button to put on every page. Will children be safer? Yes. If you have not got this button, the question is why not. “We are saying it’s time to up your game and stop hiding behind red herrings of technical difficulties. We have to draw a line in the sand and do the right thing and if you don’t we will continue to badger and demand these environments are made safer." He said he did not accept any of the rhetoric about technical difficulties. Mr Gamble said: “If you wanted to put a tiny advert in, see how technically difficult that would be! “We want a visible deterrent and reassurance and a button that tells children ‘you are only one click away from advice (and) help’.” He argued that any referrals from the links are monitored by CEOP free of charge and so does not put any pressure on staff of networking sites. Sir Hugh Orde, President of the Association of Chief Police Officers, said that he would encourage other sites to copy Bebo and embed the CEOP Report button. Mr Gamble added that he was worried that some of the social networking sites were so big that he had no influence over them at all, so was instead appealing to the people that occupied senior positions in the “multimillion dollar companies to do the right thing for the right reasons”. “What they sacrifice is space for advertising. It is easy to say the right thing but this is about demonstrable leadership.” Asked if the social networking sites were putting children at risk, he said: “If you are a paedophile or someone that goes out to engage children under false pretences and bullies them into meeting in the real world, are you going to want to go into an environment where you know there is an online partnernship with law enforcement or an environment with no visible partnership? “If it was me I know where I would go. If you are a burglar and go down a road of big houses that are all identical, do you burgle the ones with an alarm or without? From The Times His purpose was to deter paedophiles from entering social networking sites. “Children deserve protection because they are vulnerable.” Agreeing that he was speaking about MySpace and Facebook, he added: “There are one or two very large social networking sites that encourage children to frequent these environments because it generates millions in advertising revenue. “The time has come for these few organisations to catch up with the rest. There is a duty of care and responsibility that must lie with a few social networking sites that have not done what others have done and put child safety first. “I know Facebook and MySpace have teams of people trying to protect children, I don’t understand why they don’t accept professional support from credible sources with access to law enforcement with executive authority.” Richard Allan, Director of Policy for Facebook, said that the company was having ongoing discussions with CEOP to find the best way to protect its users. He said that his site had automated systems to detect unusual behaviour from users and anyone seeking to “befriend someone else for unpleasant purposes” would be warned or banned. It also had its own automated reporting system. One of the practical issues it had was that a lot of the complaints would not be relevant to CEOP. “Clearly CEOP do not want that traffic and that is a practical issue we have. Our interest is absolutely about creating a safe environment, that is our bread and butter.” A spokesman for MySpace said: “The safety of users is of paramount importance to MySpace. We have robust procedures in place to protect young people on our site, and worked directly and closely with CEOP to establish our Report Abuse processes in the UK. We look forward to continuing our dialogue with CEOP in the future.” Contact our advertising team for advertising and sponsorship in Times Online, The Times and The Sunday Times, or place your advertisement. Times Online Services:

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UNDESA 2010 Report on egovernance
by Dandjinou Pierre 21 Apr '10

21 Apr '10

FYI, Now available from UN DESA Web site: http://www.unpan.org/egovernment.asp The 2010 United Nations e-Government Survey: Leveraging e-government at a time of financial and economic crisis was completed in December 2009 and launched in early 2010. The report presented various roles for e-government in addressing the ongoing world financial and economic crisis. The public trust that is gained through transparency can be further enhanced through the free sharing of government data based on open standards. The ability of e-government to handle speed and complexity can also underpin regulatory reform. While technology is no substitute for good policy, it may give citizens the power to question the actions of regulators and bring systemic issues to the fore. Similarly, e-government can add agility to public service delivery to help governments respond to an expanded set of demands even as revenues fall short. Since the last edition of the survey, in 2008, governments have made great strides in development of online services, especially in middle-income countries. The costs associated with telecommunication infrastructure and human capital continue to impede e-government development. However, effective strategies and legal frameworks can compensate significantly, even in least developed countries. Those who are able to harness the potential of expanded broadband access in developed regions and mobile cellular networks in developing countries to advance the UN development agenda have much to gain going forward. Pierre Dandjinou eGovernance Advisor Strategic Consulting Group www.scg.bj

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Eassy completes final splice
by McTim 21 Apr '10

21 Apr '10

Eassy completes final splice By Paul Vecchiatto, ITWeb Cape Town correspondent Johannesburg, 20 Apr 2010 Construction of the East Africa Submarine Cable System (Eassy) was completed yesterday, with the northern and southern halves spliced together at sea early yesterday morning. A statement issued by the West Indian Ocean Cable Company (WIOCC), Eassy's largest shareholder, says the so-called "final splice" took place a few days ahead of schedule, at 4am on Monday. The installation phase of the project, which started in Maputo, Mozambique, in December 2009, was completed on board the cable-laying vessel, Ile de Batz, in the Indian Ocean, just off the east African coast. Chris Wood, CEO of WIOCC, says: "Now that this critical stage of the project has been completed successfully and ahead of time, we will start system testing almost immediately. Once this is finalised, we are looking forward to connecting our first customers to the network from July 2010. "At WIOCC, we are also working with our shareholders to deliver high-speed, fibre-optic connectivity, not just to the Eassy landing stations, but deep into the interior of Africa. This will enable us to satisfy the growing customer demand for end-to-end service and provide improved geographic reach." Connectivity to Europe "A key difference between Eassy and other sub-Saharan systems is that our system will deliver connectivity to Europe, via a direct route through the Red Sea and the Mediterranean Sea," says WIOCC CTO Ryan Sher, chairman of Eassy's Technical Working Group. "Eassy will be the first east coast system to connect directly to Europe, minimising the time taken for traffic from Africa to reach the key Internet peering points in Europe and North America, and vice-versa." Sher says the vast majority of international traffic is IP- and Internet-based, and with most African traffic destined for Europe and the US, where the most popular content and applications are located, the ability to deliver content faster gives Eassy and its customers a competitive edge in the market. "Other east coast systems use longer routes, via the Middle East or India; our optimised routing means that we are able to offer the lowest latency service to our customers," Sher says. James Wekesa, WIOCC's chief commercial officer, says: "At WIOCC, we are offering connectivity from as little as 2Mbps for one month, up to multiple Gbps wavelengths for the lifetime of the system, thereby levelling the playing field for small, medium and large organisations." http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32376:e… -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel

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Project Universal subtitles
by alice 20 Apr '10

20 Apr '10

A very interesting project has been launched: Universal Subtitles (http://blog.universalsubtitles.org/) Please advertise it and help to develop this idea. The project is supported by Mozilla Drumbeat (http://www.drumbeat.org/) Subtitles and Captions for Every Video on the Web Here’s the problem: web video is beginning to rival television, but there isn’t a good open resource for subtitling. Here’s our mission: we’re trying to make captioning, subtitling, and translating video publicly accessible in a way that’s free and open, just like the Web. Our approach: * Make a simple and ubiquitous way to request, create, and translate subtitles for any video * Work with others to define open protocols so that whenever subtitles for a video exist, any website or video player will be able to retrieve them * Create a community space for people who subtitle video, to encourage contributions and facilitate collaboration Tools we’re building 1) Subtitle Widget: We’re developing an incredibly user friendly interface for adding captions to almost any video on the web (without the hassle of re-transcoding or re-uploading). We’ll be launching a demo very soon, but here’s a sneak peek: Subtitles and Captions for Every Video on the Web Here’s the problem: web video is beginning to rival television, but there isn’t a good open resource for subtitling. Here’s our mission: we’re trying to make captioning, subtitling, and translating video publicly accessible in a way that’s free and open, just like the Web. Our approach: * Make a simple and ubiquitous way to request, create, and translate subtitles for any video * Work with others to define open protocols so that whenever subtitles for a video exist, any website or video player will be able to retrieve them * Create a community space for people who subtitle video, to encourage contributions and facilitate collaboration Tools we’re building 1) Subtitle Widget: We’re developing an incredibly user friendly interface for adding captions to almost any video on the web (without the hassle of re-transcoding or re-uploading). We’ll be launching a demo very soon, but here’s a sneak peek: 2) Universal Subtitles Protocol: A new open standard that will allow clients such as Firefox extensions, desktop video players, websites, or browsers to look up and download matching subtitles from a whitelist of subtitle databases when they play video. 3) Collaborative Subtitling Site: An online community for collaboratively subtitling and translating the world’s videos (like a Wikipedia for subtitles). The site will have special tools for versioning, incentives for different types of collaboration, and all subtitles created here will be available in any context via our open protocol. The site will exist to encourage dynamics like: * Formation of teams for subtitling a program, or a topic. * Tracking which subtitling or translation tasks are the most requested, and mobilizing volunteers. * Volunteers recruiting their friends for help transcribing or translating a video. * Splitting large tasks into smaller parts -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center of Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center of Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil plain text document attachment (message-footer.txt) ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance(a)lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe(a)lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ anriette esterhuysen - executive director association for progressive communications p o box 29755 melville - south africa 2109 anriette(a)apc.org - tel/fax + 27 11 726 1692 http://www.apc.org ======================================= APC Forum is a meeting place for the APC community - people and institutions who are or have been involved in collaboration with APC, and share the APC vision - a world in which all people have easy, equal and affordable access to the creative potential of information and communication technologies (ICTs) to improve their lives and create more democratic and egalitarian societies. _______________________________________________ apc.forum mailing list apc.forum(a)lists.apc.org http://lists.apc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/apc.forum

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Committee for Broadband Plan Development
by John K. Njoroge 20 Apr '10

20 Apr '10

Dear Gilda: Like the Committee of Experts (COE) which has now given us a Constitution for Kenya, I think one the Committees that can and should be formed as we move forward, is a Committee for Broadband Plan Development. It is time for us to boldly talk of ‘Connecting Kenya’. This Committee can be given a clear mandate and timeline for this momentous task. (Ofcourse it can be referred to as a working team) A best way would be a Committee set-up like KENIC or indeed the COE i.e. Institutional representation as well as key individual representatives of the Public/ People or Internet Community. Like the USA’s Broadband Plan: Government can influence the broadband ecosystem in four ways: 1. Design policies to ensure robust competition and, as a result maximize consumer welfare, innovation and investment. 2. Ensure efficient allocation and management of assets government controls or influences, such as spectrum, poles, and rights-of-way, to encourage network upgrades and competitive entry. 3. Reform current universal service mechanisms to support deployment of broadband and voice in high-cost areas; and ensure that low-income * ‘Kenyans’* can afford broadband; and in addition, support efforts to boost adoption and utilization. 4. Reform laws, policies, standards and incentives to maximize the benefits of broadband in sectors government influences significantly, such as public education, health care, *‘agriculture’* and government operations. John .K. Njoroge Directorate of e-Government On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:31 PM, <godera(a)skyweb.co.ke> wrote: > Hi, > > They are: > > 1. Gilda Odera (Chair) > 2. Sammy Burachara > 3. Nik Nesbitt > 4. Victor Kyalo (Joint Secretary) > 5. Peres Were (Joint Secretary) > 6. Dickson Ogola (Secretariat) > Headed by Sylvester Kasuku, Infrastructure Advisor at the OPM. > > The team is mandated to form committees (I prefer to call them working > teams), > to come up with the required strategies/advise/recommendations for various > issues in the sector. These committees will be formed by persons from both > private and public sector. > Those with strengths in various capacities will be called upon to drive the > committees. The committees are as wide/narrow as required. > The team is to ensure that the silo way of operation is set aside through > mechanisms to be put in place by way of actionable recommendations. > > Best, > > Gilda > > > > Quoting Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke>: > > > > > Hey Gilda, > > > > Thanks a lot for these positive comments, > > > > Apparently, I suppose we need to be exposed to all these good teams, > being > > put up out there, > > so that we can interact, and all these good suggestions and comments > > presented.. > > > > Maybe for a starter, can you please unveil/unmask this "six" man/women > team > > - so that we can > > know them..? > > > > Harry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= > comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] On > > Behalf Of godera(a)skyweb.co.ke > > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:39 AM > > To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke > > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building > > > > > > Listers, > > > > I think this is a very healthy debate for the industry. > > Esther, whereas whatever body will face the same queries over their > mandate, > > in my view, what is most important is that each respective body plays it > > part to the full and possibly even surpass the expectations of the > industry. > > As long as they are all forging towards one goal (making Kenya the ICT > Hub > > in Africa)in all their activities, the industry will have gained. > > What is important is that all these bodies do not fight each other, > rather > > complement one another to grow this industry. > > We must all work together for good of this industry and nation. > > > > Gilda Odera > > Chair, BPO/ITES Working Group at the Office of the Prime Minister > > > > (For those not aware, a group of 6 persons from Private Sector and > > Government was recently put together for a two year term to advise on all > > these issues > > being raised in this list. Your views are being noted.) > > > > Quoting Esther Muchiri <emuchiri(a)andestbites.com>: > > > > > Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a > > > feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still face > > > the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate etc > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps the upcoming public forum will begin to shed some light in the > > > direction ICT development in Kenya should follow? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri <kictanet-bounces%2Bemuchiri>= > andestbites.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > ] On Behalf Of Harry Delano > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM > > > To: emuchiri(a)andestbites.com > > > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilian, > > > > > > > > > This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these > > > resourceful discussions coming in. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, > > > happen to work within some form of > > > > > > mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates > > > are competing mandates or > > > > > > a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge > > > phenomenon, that cuts' out across > > > > > > the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This > > > means, stakeholders from other > > > > > > Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, > > > each of the Govt agencies can have a > > > > > > representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all > > > sectors, private , and govt. All interests > > > > > > should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for > > > purposes of accountability and > > > > > > transparency.. > > > > > > > > > > > > If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:- > > > > > > > > > > > > * National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) > > > * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) > > > * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB) > > > > > > Other names are welcome.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= > comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] > > > On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM > > > To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke > > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Robert.......I see. > > > > > > > > > > > > Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. "Without governance you > > > do not produce good decisions consistently. 'Governance' in the > > > context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which > > > decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and > > > technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process > > and how the decisions are formed". > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the > > > Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under > > > Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info > > > Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They > > > (unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their > > > decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. > > > Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a > > > KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature' into the > > institution envisioned. > > > > > > GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on: > > > > > > . Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT > > within > > > GoK > > > > > > . How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to > > improve > > > services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc > > > > > > . How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the > country > > at > > > large > > > > > > . The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what > > > mechanism and how resources are to be managed) > > > > > > . The way investments are to be made and policies on realising > > and > > > sharing benefits > > > > > > . How the required skills are to be procured (through > strategic > > > partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc) > > > > > > . The principles that underlie the ICT architecture > > > > > > . Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT > > > investment programmes > > > > > > . Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core > > > elements of the infrastructure: > > > > > > o Personnel - who will be responsible for their professional > development > > > and where certain skills should reside > > > > > > o Methods and techniques - what project/programme management, > > development > > > and operations management standards should be used > > > > > > o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance > management) > > > > > > o Information - standards to enable the effective sharing of > information > > > > > > > > o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries > > and > > > personnel standards, etc > > > > > > o Technical - network, consolidated service desk, data standards > > > > > > o Security > > > > > > o Legal > > > > > > > > > > > > This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look > > > to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing to 'add value' > > > to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation > > > towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the > > > rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an > > > Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need > > > support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We > > > can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging > > > knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way > > > 'working with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are > > > jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them > > sufficiently. > > > > > > > > > > > > I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings. > > > > > > > > > > > > LILIAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > > > Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building > > > To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja(a)yahoo.com> > > > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM > > > > > > Hi Lilian, > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best > > > trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted > > > with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they > > > are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who > > > keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers. > > > > > > > > > > > > How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need > > > is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of > > > government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila > > > has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without > > > a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the > > diamonds within. > > > > > > > > > > > > Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for > > > 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if > > > you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 > > > hours then that is your problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or > > > BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" > > > (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the > > > government activities. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your > > > selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next > > > time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually > name > > names. > > > > > > > > > Robert Yawe > > > KAY System Technologies Ltd > > > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > > > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > > > Kenya > > > > > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja(a)yahoo.com> > > > To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk > > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > > > > > > > > Dear PS: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed > > > in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in > > > Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about > > > the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in > > > Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth > > > and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and > > > we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it > > > a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be > > > addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a > > > town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, > > > it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how > > > it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT > > > management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge > > > chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the > > > likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in > their > > ICT technical know-how and skills. > > > > > > > > > > > > While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building > > > (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and > > > funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) > > > over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by > > > Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy > > > systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security > > > (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But > > > may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers > > > who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all > > pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part > > > of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government > > > Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and > > > strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of > > > these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the > > > private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in > > > ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense > > > them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are > > knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'. > > > > > > > > > > > > LILIAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/4/10, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > > To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja(a)yahoo.com> > > > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM > > > > > > Barrack, > > > Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be > > > wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on > > Malili. > > > Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these > > > agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only > > > when you point out where there are gaps. > > > > > > The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one > > > person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya > > kuchongoana tu. > > > Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that > > > I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest > > > from the membership here. > > > > > > > > > Ndemo. > > > > > > > > > > This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions > > > > are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide > > > > us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we > > > > can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the > > > > board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we > > > > need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga(a)yahoo.com > > > <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > >> There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. > > > >> What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two > > > >> bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement > > > >> on ICT matters? > > > >> > > > >> Regards > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Vitalis > > > >> > > > >> ________________________________ > > > >> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk > > > <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > > > > > > > >> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com > > > <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com> > > > >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet. > > > or.ke> > > > > > > > >> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > > >> > > > >> Hi, > > > >> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try > > > >> reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do > > > >> anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT > > > >> which includes your microwave oven and copier. > > > >> Functions of Kenya ICT Board > > > >> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya > > > >> Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: > > > >> . To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to > > > >> development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of > > > >> ICT industries in the country. > > > >> . Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for > > > >> investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage ICT > > > >> industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with > > > >> associated facilities on sites, estates and land. > > > >> . Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out > > > >> such functions as it may consider necessary. > > > >> . To transform and empower society through deployment and use of > ICTs. > > > >> . Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products > > > >> and services. > > > >> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you > > > >> guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. > > > >> Regards > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> kictanet mailing list > > > >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet. > > > or.ke> > > > > > > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > >> > > > >> This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com > > > <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > >> > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail > . > > > com > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Barrack O. 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FYI - Malili to be fenced
by robert yawe 19 Apr '10

19 Apr '10

Hi Listers, I have just found out that the Technology Park in Malili is to be fenced, interesting Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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FW: NEW DUBAI VISA REGULATIONS
by Edith Adera 19 Apr '10

19 Apr '10

What does the Government of Kenya have to say about this new Visa rule for Kenyans? _________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specilaist International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international +254- 20- 2713160 ext 3406 or +1-613-696-3406 | eadera(a)idrc.or.ke<mailto:+1-613-696-3406eadera@idrc.or.ke> | www.idrc.ca<http://www.idrc.ca/> | www.crdi.ca<http://www.crdi.ca/> ________________________________ From: Sales and Marketing Support [salesandmarketingsupport(a)carlsonwagonlit.co.ke] Sent: 19 April 2010 11:49 Subject: NEW DUBAI VISA REGULATIONS [cid:image001.jpg@01CAC1B9.78A39F20] <http://www.bunsontravel.com/> April 19th, 2010 To all our Esteemed clients, Greetings from CWT Kenya! NEW<http://www.goalert24.com/readnews.aspx?id=1357288&eid=100191962&sid=207068&…> DUBAI VISA REGULATIONS Please Note that all Kenyan nationals are requested to submit their education certificate not below university degree in order to apply for Dubai visa as per Immigration new rule. Diplomas are also not accepted, only Bachelor and above can apply for Dubai till further instruction. Please contact us for more details. Sincerely, [cid:image002.jpg@01CAC1B9.78A39F20]<http://www.bunsontravel.com/> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2812 - Release Date: 04/15/10 09:31:00

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Internet Gvernance Policy training now receiving applications
by Nnenna Nwakanma 19 Apr '10

19 Apr '10

> FOSSFA, in collaboration with Diplo will be holding a face to face Internet > Governance Policy Training. > This is part of the pre-conference trainngs of the fourth African Conference > on FOSS and the Digital Commons - IDLELO 4. > > There are only 25 seats available, out of which half has already been > taken. The organisers are supporting accommodation costs for trainees and > covering other costs for 4 days. > > Kindly visit: http://idlelo.net/content/pre-conference-training-programme to > register. > Then send application to acpinfo(a)diplomacy.edu > Nnenna Nwakanma | Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG | Consultants Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development Rue des Jardins, Près de Ste Cecile | Tel: 225 27144 | Fax 224 26471 Abidjan, Côte d'Ivoire (+225) | http://www.nnenna.org | nnenna(a)nnenna.org Your multi-lingual development and event partners across Africa.

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On Cyber Security
by Matunda Nyanchama 18 Apr '10

18 Apr '10

I am glad that discussions are planned on this subject. I'll be glad to add my voice based on my experience in North America & SA that spurns various sectors. NB: I'll may be presenting at the ICT Security Summit in Mombasa planned for May 11~14, 2010. If there is interest and a forum organized, I offer to speak on a topic of interest on the subject of cyber protection. This could be a day in the week following the end of the conference. Shukrani. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.”- George Bernard Shaw ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.

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Defining a Mobile Apps Lab for Africa
by King'ori Gitahi 18 Apr '10

18 Apr '10

Hi guys, Nokia,�WorldBank�and Finland have come together to spur the innovation ecosystem in Africa.� A key input of this wider programme�is the importance of Mobile Applications and how we can use that to scale businesses.�� If you are a developer, business analyst, educationist, academic, economist etc.� This is your opportunity to give your view on: Does Africa need a mobile applications laboratory? ·�� What services should it provide? ·�� Where should it be located? ·�� What existing initiatives exist in this field? ·�� Which applications are likely to prove successful in Africa? ·�� With which partners should the lab work? ·�� What would be the measure of success? We have a real opportunity to determine where the Mobile Industry will look like in Africa in another 20 years.� Shoot me an email for any queries. More info here:� http://www.infodev.org/en/Article.517.html Register here:�� http://mobileafrica.eventbrite.com Looking forward to meeting you all, King'ori Gitahi For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela -------------------------------------------------------------- Ovi Mail: Making email access easy http://mail.ovi.com

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Defining a Mobile Apps Lab For Africa
by King'ori Gitahi 18 Apr '10

18 Apr '10

Hi guys, Nokia,�WorldBank�and Finland have come together to spur the innovation ecosystem in Africa.� A key input of this wider programme�is the importance of Mobile Applications and how we can use that to scale businesses.�� If you are a developer, business analyst, educationist, academic, economist etc.� This is your opportunity to give your view on: Does Africa need a mobile applications laboratory? ·�� What services should it provide? ·�� Where should it be located? ·�� What existing initiatives exist in this field? ·�� Which applications are likely to prove successful in Africa? ·�� With which partners should the lab work? ·�� What would be the measure of success? We have a real opportunity to determine where the Mobile Industry will look like in Africa in another 20 years.� Shoot me an email for any queries. More info here:� http://www.infodev.org/en/Article.517.html Register here:�� http://mobileafrica.eventbrite.com Looking forward to meeting you all, King'ori Gitahi For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela� -------------------------------------------------------------- Ovi Mail: Making email access easy http://mail.ovi.com

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Mutua beats us to it
by robert yawe 16 Apr '10

16 Apr '10

Hi, The government spokes one has pulled another one from under the rest of us, he has decided to put up his own station to tell Kenyan's about all the good things they have done. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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Cyber-Spin: How the Internet gets framed as dangerous
by alice 16 Apr '10

16 Apr '10

Cyber-Spin: How the Internet gets framed as dangerous by Milton Mueller on Thu 08 Apr 2010 01:31 PM EDT http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2010/4/8/4499824.html?utm… At the beginning of this year, a set of powerhouse organizations in cybersecurity (CSO Magazine, Deloitte, Carnegie Mellon's CERT program, and the U.S. Secret Service) released the results of a survey of 523 business and government executives, professionals and consultants in the ICT management field. The reaction generated by this survey provides an unusually clear illustration of how cyber-security discourse has become willfully detached from facts. There is an organized industrial and political imperative to drill into our heads the idea that the Internet is dangerous and its threats are spiraling out of control, and it doesn't matter what facts are uncovered - they are all interpreted to support this preconception. With that intro, here is the lead sentence from the January 25 2010 Carnegie-Mellon University news release about the 2010 CyberSecurity Watch Survey: "Cybercrime threats posed to targeted organizations are increasing faster than many organizations can combat them, according to the 2010 CyberSecurity Watch Survey..." Stop right there. A careful review of both the survey and the responses to it quickly reveals that that conclusion did NOT come from the survey itself, and was not supported by its data. In fact, the claim that cyberthreats are increasing faster than many organizations can combat them comes from a Deloitte "review of the results" of the survey. The Deloitte "review" is entitled (in big, bold letters) CYBERCRIME: A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER and it admits it is an "interpretation," which "goes beyond simple reporting of results." Apparently Deloitte, one of the sponsors of the survey, was not happy with the results: "Deloitte believes...that some of the findings point to significant incongruities between the views of many survey respondents and the current reality of cyber crime." In other words, don't listen to what the people actually facing and dealing with threats tell you, listen to the scary stuff. So what are the relevant facts in the survey? The survey "uncovered a drop in victims of cybercrimes (60% vs. 66% in 2007), however, the affected organizations have experienced significantly more attacks than in previous years." "Since 2007, when the last cybercrime survey was conducted, the average monetary value of losses resulting from cybercrimes declined by 10%." "More than half of the respondents (58%) believe they are more prepared to prevent, detect, respond to or recover from a cybercrime incident compared to the previous year." Isn't this interesting? How does Deloitte get from a drop in the number of victims and a 10% drop in losses (despite more attacks) and a general improvement in perceived preparedness, to the conclusion that crimes are increasing "faster than potential victims can cope with them?" It's easy when you've got something to sell. Where do cyber-security threats come from? Once again, there is a very interesting gap - perhaps we should say chasm - between the Deloitte report and the actual survey results. In Deloitte's spin, the main threat is external, and comes from "An increasing number of criminals and criminally minded enterprises [that] have hired, purchased, or otherwise acquired the ability to infiltrate systems with new penetration techniques while developing a criminal e-business network." But Deloitte doesn't stop there. Without adducing a shred of evidence it asserts that "There is a likely nexus between cyber crime and a variety of other threats including terrorism, industrial espionage, and foreign intelligence services." Shudder. Oh my God. Now what is the data in the survey report? The survey respondent reported that the vast majority of attacks - and the most costly ones - come from insiders. No less than 3/4 (75%) of all cybercrime comes from KNOWN sources. Moreover, "Insider incidents are more costly than external breaches, according to 67% of respondents." The Deloitte "review" of the survey results shows they are simply unable to accept an alternate, less exciting and scary view about the sources of risk. And so it issued a glossy, bold pamphlet/advertisement that actually garnered more media coverage than the actual survey. And the assertions of its tract were often conflated with those of the survey. To be fair to Deloitte, their tract does make some wise points. They argue, convincingly, that organizations should focus security on a "risk-based approach" that "starts with the assumption that an unauthorized user can gain access to the system, and then design responses based on the value of the data that could thus be compromised." Equally wise, the Deloitte report urges enterprises to "shift away from building a 'great wall' against all threats, toward identifying and addressing the most significant ones. This entails prioritizing risks on the basis of their likelihood, impact, and potential interactions with other risks, then allocating resources accordingly." But if Deloitte followed its own advice consistently, it would stop promoting hysteria about unknown, unquantified, and as yet undemonstrated risks "that can be imagined" (their words) from "terrorist organizations, foreign intelligence services, and traditional organized crime entities" and focus more directly on where the real risks are. There may be a valid argument that the survey respondents are complacent or ignorant about the real security risks - but Deloitte hasn't made it. And it is hard to argue with the fact that the survey respondents know more than Deloitte does about what incidents actually hit them and how much money those incidents actually cost them. To posit risks and threats that "could be imagined" sounds more like a sales job than analysis. ======================================= APC Forum is a meeting place for the APC community - people and institutions who are or have been involved in collaboration with APC, and share the APC vision - a world in which all people have easy, equal and affordable access to the creative potential of information and communication technologies (ICTs) to improve their lives and create more democratic and egalitarian societies. _______________________________________________ apc.forum mailing list apc.forum(a)lists.apc.org http://lists.apc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/apc.forum

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First steps towards a mobile applications lab for Africa
by King'ori Gitahi 16 Apr '10

16 Apr '10

Hi guys, Nokia,�WorldBank�and Finland have come together to spur the innovation ecosystem in Africa.� A key input of this wider programme�is the importance of Mobile Applications and how we can use that to scale businesses.�� If you are a developer, business analyst, educationist, academic, economist etc.� This is your opportunity to give your view on: Does Africa need a mobile applications laboratory? ·�� What services should it provide? ·�� Where should it be located? ·�� What existing initiatives exist in this field? ·�� Which applications are likely to prove successful in Africa? ·�� With which partners should the lab work? ·�� What would be the measure of success? http://www.infodev.org/en/Article.517.html We have a real opportunity to determine where the Mobile Industry will look like in Africa in another 20 years.� Please hit this link to go to an information page with details on how to register and what this initaiative is about. Looking forward to meeting you all, King'ori Gitahi � For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela� -------------------------------------------------------------- Ovi Mail: Simple and user-friendly interface http://mail.ovi.com

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K24 goes online
by Wainaina Mungai 16 Apr '10

16 Apr '10

K24 is now LIVE online on http://www.k24.co.ke . Click on "K24 Live". Another first from K24... Enjoy, Wainaina

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Govt Commits $12m for Sameer Park office space, training, marketing
by Rebecca Wanjiku 16 Apr '10

16 Apr '10

Read more http://bit.ly/aTEVh2 Tel. 254 720 318 925 wanjiku.co.ke

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Internet service to academic institutions
by Victor Gathara 16 Apr '10

16 Apr '10

I have a query from friends looking to help schools get online. Is there anyone out there doing subsidised internet service to academic institutions. Let me know. Kind regards Victor Gathara| UK Department for International Development| Regional IS Manager , East Africa| * email: v-gathara(a)dfid.gov.uk * Telephone: +254 20 2873421 * Fax: +254 20 2873102 * Ftn: 8300 3349 * Mobile: +254 733 414846 url: www.dfid.gov.uk <http://www.dfid.gov.uk/> DFID, the Department for International Development: leading the UK Government's fight against world poverty. Find out more at http://www.dfid.gov.uk.

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Re: [kictanet] Internet service to academic institutions
by evelyn.rono＠kdn.co.ke 16 Apr '10

16 Apr '10

Yes Victor, we can discuss this further offline, under our e-school initiative. Evelyn Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: "Emmanuel Khisa" <Emmanuel.khisa(a)kadet.co.ke> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:02:05 To: <evelyn.rono(a)kdn.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Internet service to academic institutions _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: evelyn.rono(a)kdn.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/evelyn.rono%40kdn.co.ke

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[Fwd: RE: ICANN Fellowship Webinar: 28 April]
by alice 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

On *28 April 2010*, ICANN staff will describe the *Fellowship Program* in an *interactive webinar*, to be held at *18:00-19:00 GMT/UTC.* *We would like to engage you in outreach on ICANN’s behalf, to distribute the announcement of the Webinar on the Fellowship Program to your constituency, your community and individuals. Please encourage **those who may not be aware of the program, have shown interest but are still not sure about the program’s intent or benefits, **or need a refresher course to register on the eLearning page of the ICANN website and call into this webinar later this month. With outreach and engagement, we will bring new participants into the ICANN community, and with new participants, eventually new ideas and leadership to continue carrying the mission and vision of a truly global internet into the future.* *Fellowship Program Overview — *Register <http://icann.na3.acrobat.com/e71529160/event/registration.html> * *** * * * *

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ICT Board interim updates
by Paul Kukubo 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Listers This is posted here in the public interest. Our website www.ict.go.ke has been updated to include a section of the grants the Kenya ICT Board raises in the course of our work. Please review and comment. 1. Of particular note is support received in 2009 for USD 500,000 from Rockefeller Foundation towards the development of the Kenya Value Proposition for Outsourcing. 2. USD 300,000 grant from Rockfeller Foundation in 2010 towards the development of road map and capacity support for the development of shared services in local government. My team will update this to include all sponsorships and partnerships that the Kenya ICT Board is involved with in delivering our mandate. Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment

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Re: [kictanet] RATIONALE OF ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER
by charles nduati 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi Sam, The rationale for federations is based on the fact that many issues in sub sub sectors are CROSS CUTTING. e.g. all sectors in all industries across the country have a problem with power, security etc. so its make no sense for government to give audience to 1000 industry representatives to hear the same exact thing. that s why KEPSA was formed to distill the sector issues and give the government ONE PAGE OF PRIORITY ISSUES. cheers all Charles Nduati On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:32 EEST Sam Aguyo wrote: >Hello Colleagues, > >I wonder wether it would be possible to merge the various associations into one. First we need to ask ourselves why they are formed, who finances them and the mandate of each. > >ICT is dynamic - self destructing, the associations may follow the same principle. A more feasible approach is to ensure they deliver on there mandate. > >Sam > >hi Walu, > >I ment that constatine was the first pope of the merged factions of which he made christianity compulsory more like the KANU of the 90s i.e. BABA NA MAMA. st. peter was more like george okado the founding chairman of computer society > >Thanks shah for keeping the KIF spirit alive. > >charles > >On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:19 EEST Walubengo J wrote: > >>Charles, >> >>At the risk of starting a religious debate, ...jst wanted to clarify. 1st Pope was never Constantine but St. Peter...in the 1st Century. Constantine came on the scene 300years later.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I ... >> >>walu. >> >>--- On Thu, 4/8/10, charles nduati <charlesnduati2002(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >>From: charles nduati <charlesnduati2002(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER >>To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com >>Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 7:49 AM >> >>Hi listers, >> >>I have truly enjoyed this debate especially having been the first founding executive director of KENYA ICT FEDERATION (KIF) With other industry captains like mike eldon our founder chairman and all chairmen of the then 12 existing ICT associations i.e. 2003. our vision was exactly what this debate is about and we anchored KIF under KEPSA. as Dr. siganga said, there is no need of recreating the wheel. just contact Dr. kevit desai the KIF governor at KEPSA and ask him to adopt all ICT associations and stakeholders in KEPSA through KIF. >> >>believe me folks, if the ROMAN KING CONSTANTINE hadn t merged all christian sects and made himself the first POPE, christianity would not have survived 2000 years and be so successful in its mission >> >>good day all >> >>charles nduati >> >>On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:34 EEST Harry Delano wrote: >> >>>Al Kags, >>> >>>That is why this town hall meeting may be important. Actually Harry (Hare), >>>came up with a more brilliant >>>idea that would require us to make this to be more of an evaluation process >>>- that would create a "need" for >>>either overhaul or improvement in structures and processes. This could be >>>enacted by Govt, either through >>>legislation, or an executive decision. >>> >>>Mr. Kukubo, also had a good suggestion that we cast the net wider, to draw >>>in as many stakeholers as >>>we can. This, I suppose would be be a perfect chance for us, to tick each of >>>these agencies off the list, >>>enumerating their roles, mandate, and how this all should fit in the bigger >>>picture across the national ICT >>>Landscape. I suppose, we need to hold to account those tasked with a >>>mandate.. >>> >>>So I suppose, the question we should be asking ourselves, is where do we >>>first start - The town hall meeting..? >>>And how do we cast this net wider for participation..? >>> >>>Harry >>> >>> _____ >>> >>>From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >>>Behalf Of Al Kags >>>Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:45 PM >>>To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >>> >>> >>>Gilda, you are right that all organisations need to meet their obligations >>>effectively. I wonder though whether some of them are not duplicated? >>>especially some that we have seen listed on this thread? >>> >>> >>>On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, <godera(a)skyweb.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi Harry, >>> >>>I believe the various organisations are all playing their own unique roles. >>>Key thing is for each to meet it's obligations effectively. >>>Tim Waema's proposal on the discussion of various organisations and their >>>mandate is no doubt a good idea to get things cleared and for industry to >>>continue giving their input so that the organisations are well designed. >>> >>>Best, >>> >>>Gilda >>> >>> >>>Quoting Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke>: >>> >>>> >>>> S. Murigi, >>>> >>>> Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter note... >>>> >>>> So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a whole >>>myriad >>>> of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st time.. >>>> >>>> Harry >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> >>>=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >>>> Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:25 PM >>>> To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >>>> >>>> About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My >>>purpose >>>> then was to find out what they were about. >>>> >>>> Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less >>>than >>>> 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website. >>>> >>>> Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too >>>disappointed. >>>> For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies >>>can >>>> be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the >>>> professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say >>>this >>>> is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally. >>>> >>>> We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies >>>who >>>> jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are >>>> unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech >>>community >>>> support eg. www.ihub.co.ke >>>> >>>> Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the best >>>> (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as >>>much >>>> as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft, >>>> Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via >>>> these industry events. >>>> >>>> If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build >>>> capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software >>>> entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation' >>>> they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know. >>>> >>>> Nimechoka - typing on a mobile. >>>> >>>> SMM >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52 >>>> To: murigi.muraya(a)gmail.com >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >>>> >>>> Dr. Siganga, >>>> >>>> Your write up makes sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, >>>in >>>> other words we handle government agencies and industry associations >>>> separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest >>>government >>>> agencies first. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to >>>> > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the >>>> > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with >>>> > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but >>>> > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other >>>> > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to >>>> > Walu on 7/7/08: >>>> >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a >>>> >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would >>>> >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines >>>> >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System >>>> >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can >>>> >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc... >>>> > >>>> > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body >>>> > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even >>>> > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold >>>> > water except from Kamotho. >>>> > >>>> > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see >>>> > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". >>>> > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by >>>> > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear >>>> > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of >>>> > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how >>>> > can the same government be involved in their set up? The other >>>> > axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not >>>> > deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples >>>> > of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a >>>> > membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up >>>under >>>> the same "Societies Act"). >>>> > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the >>>> > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who >>>> > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing >>>> > associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of >>>> > professional hecklers of existing associations. >>>> > >>>> > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations >>>> > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. >>>> > This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime >>>> > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. >>>> > >>>> > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and >>>> > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would >>>> > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be >>>> > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" >>>> > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership >>>> > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily >>>> > come together and run their interests. The members have their own >>>> > channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to >>>> > realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have >>>> > overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the >>>> > association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a >>>> > specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and >>>> > ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The >>>> > Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job >>>> > in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them. >>>> > Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held >>>> > at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider >>>> > audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more >>>> members. Overall, an associations' >>>> > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for >>>> > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's >>>> > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that >>>> > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others >>>> > can learn from them as well. >>>> > >>>> > Waudo >>>> > www.cskonline.org >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua(a)lpakenya.org wrote: >>>> >> Dear listers, >>>> >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was >>>> >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was >>>> >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant >>>> >> remember if the Government agencies were represented. >>>> >> >>>> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we >>>> >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of >>>> >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with >>>> >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't >>>> >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other >>>> >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the >>>> >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily >>>> >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by >>>> >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not >>>> >> too long ago. >>>> >> >>>> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance >>>> >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an >>>> >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that >>>> >> is recognized by an Act of parliament. >>>> >> >>>> >> Regards, >>>> >> Ikua >>>> >> >>>> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >> >>>> >> > Dear all, >>>> >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs >>>> >> > in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and >>>> >> > DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry >>>> associations that are not effective. >>>> >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. >>>> >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded >>>> >> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two >>>> >> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with >>>> >> > these presentations being made available earlier for participants >>>> >> > to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those >>>> >> > persons. tim >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno >>>> >> > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> Daktari, >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the >>>> >> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting >>>> >> >> is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently >>>> >> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether >>>> >> >> they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo >>>> >> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Regards >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau >>>> >> >> <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >> >> >> Barrack, >>>> >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it >>>> >> >> >> will be >>>> >> >> wise >>>> >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had >>>> >> >> >> on >>>> >> >> Malili. >>>> >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create >>>> >> >> >> these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms >>>> >> >> >> are good only when you point out where there are gaps. >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only >>>> >> >> >> one >>>> >> >> person >>>> >> >> >> did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya >>>> >> >> >> kuchongoana >>>> >> >> tu. >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy >>>> >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? >>>> >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed >>>> >> >> > along the >>>> >> >> way. >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy >>>> >> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then arouse >>>> >> >> >> sufficient interest from >>>> >> >> the >>>> >> >> >> membership here. >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the >>>contents! >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> Ndemo. >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this >>>> >> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can >>>> >> >> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in >>>> >> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i >>>> >> >> >>> saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early >>>> >> >> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something from >>>NCS >>>> as well plus any other agencies. >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> Regards >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga >>>> >> >> >>> <volunga(a)yahoo.com> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications >>>> >> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord >>>> >> >> >>>> and how do the two bodies >>>> >> >> relate >>>> >> >> >>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT >>>> matters? >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> Regards >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> Vitalis >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>>> >> >> >>>> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com >>>> >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>>> >> >> >>>> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>>> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM >>>> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> Hi, >>>> >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, >>>> >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to >>>> >> >> >>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be called >>>> >> >> >>>> ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. >>>> >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board >>>> >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the >>>> >> >> >>>> Kenya >>>> >> >> Gazette >>>> >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: >>>> >> >> >>>> ? To advice the government on all relevant matters >>>> >> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM >>>> >> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. >>>> >> >> >>>> ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities >>>> >> >> >>>> for investments in ICT technology ? Facilitate and manage >>>> >> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and >>>> >> >> technology >>>> >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and >>>> land. >>>> >> >> >>>> ? Partner with agents within and without the country to >>>> >> >> >>>> carry out >>>> >> >> such >>>> >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary. >>>> >> >> >>>> ? To transform and empower society through deployment and >>>> >> >> >>>> use of >>>> >> >> ICTs. >>>> >> >> >>>> ? 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May be of interest: Dfid/infoDev/Hivos - East Africa ICT SME Project - Request for EOIs posted (closing date April 29th)
by Victor Gathara 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

If interested, please register in the World Bank procurement site (eConsult2). Link below. ______________________________ I'm pleased to let you know that the project ToR has been posted on the World Bank's procurement site (eConsult2) and on infoDev's homepage. Both links are included below along with the PDF for the final version of the ToR. eConsult2 --> https://wbgeconsult2.worldbank.org/wbgec/index.html <https://wbgeconsult2.worldbank.org/wbgec/index.html> infoDev website --> http://infodev.org/en/Article.519.html The Bank requires 14 days for the assignment to be posted but we can then immediately review the EOIs received and make our selection. We should have the firm hired and the project underway by the 15th of May. DFID, the Department for International Development: leading the UK Government's fight against world poverty. Find out more at http://www.dfid.gov.uk.

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] JKIA-Lack of wireless internet
by robert yawe 13 Apr '10

13 Apr '10

Wesley, They are called ISPs, you can take the donkey to the river but you cannot make it drink. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Tue, 26/1/10, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000(a)yahoo.com> wrote: From: wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000(a)yahoo.com> Subject: [ke-internetusers] JKIA-Lack of wireless internet To: "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Date: Tuesday, 26 January, 2010, 15:46 *Sigh* I lack words on how to start this. I don't have to explain it. Can something be done ASAP so that JKIA can have free, fast WiFi Internet accessible everywhere (even from the toilets). Now, how can Kenya boast of broadband when the gateway to Africa (JKIA) has nothing to show of it. Imagine the very many passengers who use KQ (and other airlines) from all around Africa who pass by our airport: Company Directors, CEOs, CTOs, CFOs, ... Basically people who Kenya is trying to reach in order to attract investments in various sectors including IT. These are the same people going to invest in the rest of Africa. It's beyond my thinking why JKIA has never tapped into this even before the fibres came. It's been a couple of months since I was there. Perhaps someone who was there more recently can give us an update on the current situation. I sure hope it has changed. 8~( -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers

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Citizens as public sensors
by James Muendo 13 Apr '10

13 Apr '10

Interesting thoughts of the use of IT tools for crowd sourcing information. http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/04/crowdsourcing-the-dpw.html -- James M. Muendo Timsoft Technologies & Solutions Ltd. P.O Box 28016 - 00200, Nairobi. Mobile: +254725567508 skype:tim.rick http://rickdeesadvantage.blogspot.com/

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Re: [kictanet] East Africa Com 2010 KICC Nairobi 27-28 April
by Harry Delano 13 Apr '10

13 Apr '10

Andre, It looks more of a "lockout" fee, than an "entry" fee... Anyways, moving forward, I believe things are bound to change. Harry _____ From: Andrea Bohnstedt [mailto:andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:54 PM To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] East Africa Com 2010 KICC Nairobi 27-28 April Harry, this is open as far as I can see. For USD1,299, you're in. On 12 April 2010 21:49, Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Thanks Vitalis, However, apart from the "Operators", "Regulators", "Exhibitionists", and Government, etc - Who else can attend..? Pse, let's open up and make some of these forums accessible for those who would like to participate and contribute. Then correction on the link you gave - Should be www.comworldseries.com/eafrica not <http://www.comoworldseries.com/eafrica> www.comoworldseries.com/eafrica Regards, Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> =comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Vitalis Olunga Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 8:29 PM To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] East Africa Com 2010 KICC Nairobi 27-28 April Please find the attached. This might be of interest to some of you. More information can be found at www.comoworldseries.com/eafrica Regards Vitalis _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: andrea.bohnstedt(a)ratio-magazine.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/andrea.bohnstedt%40rati o-magazine.com -- Andrea Bohnstedt Publisher +254 720 960 322 www.ratio-magazine.com

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New Team Cymru Service: Fullbogons
by Ian Cook 12 Apr '10

12 Apr '10

Title: New Team Cymru Service: Fullbogons Author: Steve Santorelli Source: Team Cymru Date Published: 12th April 2010 Excerpt: '....Team Cymru is proud to today launch a significant addition to one of our most popular and important community services: The new Fullbogon feed includes prefixes allocated to RIRs, but not assigned by the RIRs to end-users, ISPs, etc, providing a more complete view of the unassigned space that should not be seen on the Internet. This new service is therefore more granular than the original feed, including a wide variety of non-routable prefixes as well as unassigned prefixes and it also includes IPv6 prefixes. It is offered at no cost to the community and the original feed is not going anywhere so you can stick with it if you wish. The new feed is being made available via the same methods as the original. Simply email bogonrs(a)cymru.com with your ASN, peering IP addresses and whether you use MD5 authentication. See an overview in the 46th episode of Team Cymru's 'The Who and Why Show' at www.youtube.com/teamcymru, as well as a more basic overview in Episode 12.......' For a more detailed explanation, see http://www.team-cymru.org/Services/Bogons http://www.youtube.com/teamcymru#p/u/0/5y04TQjfy0o http://www.youtube.com/teamcymru#p/u/38/eXC87A5e0aQ For more Security News see: www.team-cymru.org/News www.team-cymru.org/News/secnews.rss Dragon News Bytes is a Private and Restricted mailing list. To subscribe to this mailing list, please signup at https://cymru.com/mailman/listinfo/ians_dragon_newsbytes and then send an email to: outreach(a)cymru.com providing some personal background and two references, preferably from FIRST.ORG www.first.org/members/teams _ //` `\ _,-"\% // /``\`\ ~^~ >__^ |% // / } `\`\ Team Cymru ) )%// / } } }`\`\ Dragon News Bytes / (%/`/.\_/\_/\_/\`/ ( ` `-._` \ , ( \ _`-.__.- %> /_`\ \ `\ \." `-..- ` ``` /_/`"-=-``/_/ ``` ``` For more Security News see: www.team-cymru.org/News www.team-cymru.org/News/secnews.rss http://twitter.com/teamcymru There are many way to keep up with what Team Cymru are doing: * join our announce list via cymru-announce-subscribe(a)cymru.com * see what we see, www.team-cymru.org/Monitoring/Graphs * cool stuff you can use, www.team-cymru.org/Services/ * The weekly Who and Why Show: www.youtube.com/teamcymru _____________________________________________________ Ian Cook Security Evangelist Team Cymru www.cymru.com/contact.html 'To communicate simply you must understand profoundly'

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FW: Kenya Software Testing Qualification Association
by John Matogo 12 Apr '10

12 Apr '10

Dear colleagues, For your information, see the email below. Regards, John Matogo ________________________________ From: Roland Omoresemi [mailto:roland@tezzasolutions.com] Sent: 30 March 2010 13:35 To: ; Subject: Kenya Software Testing Qualification Association You are receiving this invitation to attend a meeting on the evening of April 13th at 6:30 PM at the Jacaranda Hotel where some IT like-minded people will come together to discuss the formation of the very first Kenya Software Testing Qualification Association. The formation of this Association is the very first step in the creation of a Software Testing Qualification Board in Kenya that aligns with the world recognized "International Software Testing Qualification Board - ISTQB" - a board that has chapters in 44 countries with over 110,000 certified Software Testers worldwide. The purpose of this meeting is to: 1. Formally review the primary goals and objectives of the association (as stated below) 2. Receive membership commitment from attendees. Please note that there's no membership fee to join this club as it is a VOLUNTEER-ONLY membership. 3. Vote on interim official positions to be filled. It is okay to forward this email BUT all those attending must RSVP via a response to this email no later than April 8th, 2010. The primary goals of this association are as follows: - To contribute to the recognition of software testing in Kenya as a professional activity performed by skilled, competent and certified individuals. - To incorporate software testing as a profession in the Kenyan context and to develop this scarce resource to be part of the IT delivery of skills and technology. - To harness the knowledge and skills of experienced software testing practitioners in the Kenyan IT market to the benefit of both the local and international software testing community. - To contribute to the deeper understanding of all facets of software testing, by participating in ISTQB working groups. - To provide skills development and certification for workers at all levels of IT industry, by linking future technology trends with ongoing certification. - To provide a means by which resources can be developed and aligned with future trends in the industry in order to ensure that professional services can be delivered to all domains requiring such skills. - To provide the Kenyan IT market with a common understanding of testing through the use of ISTQB's syllabus and certification process. - To highlight the importance of independent software testing and the benefits to be achieved by using generally accepted standards. - To provide Kenyan testing professionals access to internationally recognised experts in the software testing domain. - To contribute to Information and Communication Technology (ICT) training programs. - To provide an internationally recognized qualification. - To attract outsourcing to SA through alignment with international standards. - To ensure that quality training and certification are obtained and retained. - To have a standard to which all companies can relate and acquire quality certified resources. - To incorporate universities and technicons and to promote testing as a professional career in the industry. - To increase the number of Software testing resources available to meet market needs. - To retain resources as well as create software testing job opportunities within Kenya. - To attach a credible professional qualification to candidates and commensurate remuneration. - To supply a much needed, constant stream of skilled resources to the Kenyan market. - To align and manage all training courses according to ISTQB standards, inclusive of course substance. - To ensure compliance with ISTQB standards and guidelines. - To facilitate the certification of software testing professionals in Kenya in accordance with ISTQB standards. - To provide the Kenyan training institutions with accreditation to conduct courses using the ISTQB syllabi. - To be the management and control body for software test engineering education in Kenya. 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Statement by UN Under-Secretary General on Continuation of the IGF
by waudo siganga 09 Apr '10

09 Apr '10

FYI: Statement made to UN member States on 30th March, 2010: [1]http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/2010/Briefing.for.MS.on.the.que stion.of.the.IGF_FINAL.pdf References 1. http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/2010/Briefing.for.MS.on.the.question.of.the.…

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Telkom Orange - a service nightmare
by robert yawe 09 Apr '10

09 Apr '10

Hi, It is scary our Telkom's service has gone from bad to horrible, so I ask is Orange a savour or just a corporate raider? For over 3 weeks a client of ours who has been hosting their domain with Jambo was unable to send mail he reported the issue to the support department and their was no response. Finally on Thursday they moved the domain hosting to another provider. This morning another client has become the process of moving his domain away from Jambo, what shocks me is that I have also written mail to the support and marketing people on both issues with no response. Even at the height of Telkom's inefficiencies I never experienced such a negative attention to my issues. This is a clear indication that the organisation truly required the 17,000 staff members it had, now they have been reduced to 3,500. Does anyone out there know how I can report Orange to CCK for not meeting its service requirements or are we at the mercy of this incompetent baffuns? My conclusion is that Orange is here to grab the assets of Telkom sell them off then leave, because from the attitude of the new management they definitely have no intention of reviving Telkom. This is a case for KACA and should be an eye opener to us that there are actually many incompetent muzungus. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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IGF Lithuania Site
by waudo siganga 09 Apr '10

09 Apr '10

Dear Colleagues - just to inform those of us planning to be in Vilnius, the local hosts have opened the event site [1]http://www.igf2010.lt/. For particular attention is the list of recommended hotels which are likely to fill quickly and need earliest booking. Related to this the main IGF site [2]www.intgovforum.org now has a form for uploading workshop proposals. Markus Kummer requests those of us on the MAG to share the following msg "Workshop organizers who have registered on the IGF Web site previously can log in with their user name and password. Should they have forgotten their log-in details they can ask for assistance at igf(a)unog.ch. New users are asked to register by sending an email to igf(a)unog.ch. We are grateful if you help explaining this procedure among your colleagues and friends." Waudo References 1. http://www.igf2010.lt/ 2. http://www.intgovforum.org/

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Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER-1st Pope?
by charles nduati 09 Apr '10

09 Apr '10

hi Walu, I ment that constatine was the first pope of the merged factions of which he made christianity compulsory more like the KANU of the 90s i.e. BABA NA MAMA. st. peter was more like george okado the founding chairman of computer society Thanks shah for keeping the KIF spirit alive. charles On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:19 EEST Walubengo J wrote: >Charles, > >At the risk of starting a religious debate, ...jst wanted to clarify. 1st Pope was never Constantine but St. Peter...in the 1st Century. Constantine came on the scene 300years later.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I ... > >walu. > >--- On Thu, 4/8/10, charles nduati <charlesnduati2002(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >From: charles nduati <charlesnduati2002(a)yahoo.co.uk> >Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER >To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com >Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 7:49 AM > >Hi listers, > >I have truly enjoyed this debate especially having been the first founding executive director of KENYA ICT FEDERATION (KIF) With other industry captains like mike eldon our founder chairman and all chairmen of the then 12 existing ICT associations i.e. 2003. our vision was exactly what this debate is about and we anchored KIF under KEPSA. as Dr. siganga said, there is no need of recreating the wheel. just contact Dr. kevit desai the KIF governor at KEPSA and ask him to adopt all ICT associations and stakeholders in KEPSA through KIF. > >believe me folks, if the ROMAN KING CONSTANTINE hadn t merged all christian sects and made himself the first POPE, christianity would not have survived 2000 years and be so successful in its mission > >good day all > >charles nduati > >On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:34 EEST Harry Delano wrote: > >>Al Kags, >> >>That is why this town hall meeting may be important. Actually Harry (Hare), >>came up with a more brilliant >>idea that would require us to make this to be more of an evaluation process >>- that would create a "need" for >>either overhaul or improvement in structures and processes. This could be >>enacted by Govt, either through >>legislation, or an executive decision. >> >>Mr. Kukubo, also had a good suggestion that we cast the net wider, to draw >>in as many stakeholers as >>we can. This, I suppose would be be a perfect chance for us, to tick each of >>these agencies off the list, >>enumerating their roles, mandate, and how this all should fit in the bigger >>picture across the national ICT >>Landscape. I suppose, we need to hold to account those tasked with a >>mandate.. >> >>So I suppose, the question we should be asking ourselves, is where do we >>first start - The town hall meeting..? >>And how do we cast this net wider for participation..? >> >>Harry >> >> _____ >> >>From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >>Behalf Of Al Kags >>Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:45 PM >>To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> >>Gilda, you are right that all organisations need to meet their obligations >>effectively. I wonder though whether some of them are not duplicated? >>especially some that we have seen listed on this thread? >> >> >>On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, <godera(a)skyweb.co.ke> wrote: >> >> >> >>Hi Harry, >> >>I believe the various organisations are all playing their own unique roles. >>Key thing is for each to meet it's obligations effectively. >>Tim Waema's proposal on the discussion of various organisations and their >>mandate is no doubt a good idea to get things cleared and for industry to >>continue giving their input so that the organisations are well designed. >> >>Best, >> >>Gilda >> >> >>Quoting Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke>: >> >>> >>> S. Murigi, >>> >>> Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter note... >>> >>> So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a whole >>myriad >>> of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st time.. >>> >>> Harry >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> >>=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >>> Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:25 PM >>> To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >>> >>> About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My >>purpose >>> then was to find out what they were about. >>> >>> Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less >>than >>> 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website. >>> >>> Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too >>disappointed. >>> For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies >>can >>> be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the >>> professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say >>this >>> is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally. >>> >>> We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies >>who >>> jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are >>> unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech >>community >>> support eg. www.ihub.co.ke >>> >>> Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the best >>> (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as >>much >>> as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft, >>> Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via >>> these industry events. >>> >>> If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build >>> capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software >>> entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation' >>> they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know. >>> >>> Nimechoka - typing on a mobile. >>> >>> SMM >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> >>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52 >>> To: murigi.muraya(a)gmail.com >>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >>> >>> Dr. Siganga, >>> >>> Your write up makes sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, >>in >>> other words we handle government agencies and industry associations >>> separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest >>government >>> agencies first. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to >>> > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the >>> > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with >>> > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but >>> > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other >>> > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to >>> > Walu on 7/7/08: >>> >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a >>> >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would >>> >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines >>> >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System >>> >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can >>> >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc... >>> > >>> > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body >>> > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even >>> > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold >>> > water except from Kamotho. >>> > >>> > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see >>> > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". >>> > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by >>> > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear >>> > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of >>> > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how >>> > can the same government be involved in their set up? The other >>> > axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not >>> > deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples >>> > of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a >>> > membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up >>under >>> the same "Societies Act"). >>> > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the >>> > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who >>> > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing >>> > associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of >>> > professional hecklers of existing associations. >>> > >>> > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations >>> > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. >>> > This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime >>> > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. >>> > >>> > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and >>> > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would >>> > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be >>> > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" >>> > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership >>> > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily >>> > come together and run their interests. The members have their own >>> > channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to >>> > realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have >>> > overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the >>> > association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a >>> > specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and >>> > ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The >>> > Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job >>> > in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them. >>> > Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held >>> > at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider >>> > audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more >>> members. Overall, an associations' >>> > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for >>> > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's >>> > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that >>> > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others >>> > can learn from them as well. >>> > >>> > Waudo >>> > www.cskonline.org >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua(a)lpakenya.org wrote: >>> >> Dear listers, >>> >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was >>> >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was >>> >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant >>> >> remember if the Government agencies were represented. >>> >> >>> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we >>> >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of >>> >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with >>> >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't >>> >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other >>> >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the >>> >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily >>> >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by >>> >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not >>> >> too long ago. >>> >> >>> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance >>> >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an >>> >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that >>> >> is recognized by an Act of parliament. >>> >> >>> >> Regards, >>> >> Ikua >>> >> >>> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo(a)gmail.com>: >>> >> >>> >> > Dear all, >>> >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs >>> >> > in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and >>> >> > DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry >>> associations that are not effective. >>> >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. >>> >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded >>> >> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two >>> >> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with >>> >> > these presentations being made available earlier for participants >>> >> > to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those >>> >> > persons. tim >>> >> > >>> >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno >>> >> > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> Daktari, >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the >>> >> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting >>> >> >> is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently >>> >> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether >>> >> >> they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo >>> >> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Regards >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau >>> >> >> <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: >>> >> >> >> Barrack, >>> >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it >>> >> >> >> will be >>> >> >> wise >>> >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had >>> >> >> >> on >>> >> >> Malili. >>> >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create >>> >> >> >> these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms >>> >> >> >> are good only when you point out where there are gaps. >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only >>> >> >> >> one >>> >> >> person >>> >> >> >> did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya >>> >> >> >> kuchongoana >>> >> >> tu. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy >>> >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? >>> >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed >>> >> >> > along the >>> >> >> way. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy >>> >> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then arouse >>> >> >> >> sufficient interest from >>> >> >> the >>> >> >> >> membership here. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the >>contents! >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Ndemo. >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this >>> >> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can >>> >> >> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in >>> >> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i >>> >> >> >>> saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early >>> >> >> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something from >>NCS >>> as well plus any other agencies. >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> Regards >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga >>> >> >> >>> <volunga(a)yahoo.com> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications >>> >> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord >>> >> >> >>>> and how do the two bodies >>> >> >> relate >>> >> >> >>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT >>> matters? >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> Regards >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> Vitalis >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> ________________________________ >>> >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>> >> >> >>>> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com >>> >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>> >> >> >>>> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM >>> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> Hi, >>> >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, >>> >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to >>> >> >> >>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be called >>> >> >> >>>> ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. >>> >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board >>> >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the >>> >> >> >>>> Kenya >>> >> >> Gazette >>> >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: >>> >> >> >>>> ? To advice the government on all relevant matters >>> >> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM >>> >> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. >>> >> >> >>>> ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities >>> >> >> >>>> for investments in ICT technology ? Facilitate and manage >>> >> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and >>> >> >> technology >>> >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and >>> land. >>> >> >> >>>> ? Partner with agents within and without the country to >>> >> >> >>>> carry out >>> >> >> such >>> >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary. >>> >> >> >>>> ? To transform and empower society through deployment and >>> >> >> >>>> use of >>> >> >> ICTs. >>> >> >> >>>> ? Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT >>> >> >> >>>> products >>> >> >> and >>> >> >> >>>> services. >>> >> >> >>>> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes >>> >> >> >>>> you >>> >> >> guessed >>> >> >> >>>> it I >>> >> >> >>>> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. >>> >> >> >>>> Regards >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> >>>> kictanet mailing list >>> >> >> >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> >> >> >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com >>> >> >> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrac >>> >> >> k%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> -- >>> >> >> >>> Barrack O. 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ICT Board Interim Updates
by Paul Kukubo 08 Apr '10

08 Apr '10

Listers 1. Please view our website to review an update of the tenders awarded in the last quarter ending March 2010. 2. Also please note that 2nd Tandaa Local Content Symposium will take place on May 6th 2010, venue and details to be communicated later. Of particular note here will be demonstration of the locally assembled Digital Broadcast Converter as well as discussions with local developers and content producers on how to develop local content for digital broadcast platform. This is a follow up to a visit by PS Dr Ndemo to the University of Nairobi's Fab Lab 3 weeks ago in which the ICT Board was tasked to create a forum for awareness on the Digital Decoder. More details from my team later via this lists and our website www.ict.go.ke regards Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment

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Pre-Conference Trainings @IDLELO4
by Judy Okite 08 Apr '10

08 Apr '10

Dear All, As we gear up to the biggest ICT event in Africa that brings together Open Source developers, practitioners, enthusiasts etc....going to take place next month(May) in Accra Ghana, kindly take note of the Pre-Conference trainings.....most of them can only admit a number of persons,please, send your applications,in good time to avoid disappointments. http://idlelo.net/content/pre-conference-training-programme Kind Regards, -- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan

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Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
by robert yawe 08 Apr '10

08 Apr '10

Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: • To advice the government onall relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: Is Kenya Ready for Innovation?-Genesis of ICT Board
by Walubengo J 08 Apr '10

08 Apr '10

Yawe, it appears your hijacked question has meta-morphosized(?), gone round the world and came back with some answers below... walu. --- On Wed, 4/7/10, Kulubi James <jkulubi(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Kulubi James <jkulubi(a)yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: Is Kenya Ready for Innovation? To: "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru(a)gmail.com> Cc: "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 7:37 PM Alex has raised issues which are deep and far reaching but either way can still be answered by those who participated in shaping the ICT policy in the period 2003-2006. The decision to create the ICT Board was made after various studies and consultation over a 3 year period. Towards the end of the 5-year exclusive period granted to Telkom Kenya (TKL) over International Gateway services, VSATs and National Long-distance services (1999-2004), the then Minister of Information and Communication, was so much concerned about the impending privatization of Telkom Kenya that he paused the following question to his advisors: “Tell me.. If the Government goes ahead to privatize Telkom Kenya by selling majority shares but later wants to ‘do something in the sector’, what vehicle would the Government use?” He was immediately informed that the Government will still maintain some shares in TKL and therefore will still have a voice. But he pressed further, “What if the new majority shareholder in TKL vetoes the decision?” Everybody fell silent and he then added , “Think about it.” In 2006, it became apparent that there were operational matters in the ICT sector that could not be handled by the existing institutions. The investment and trade promotion authorities were not well positioned and equipped to handle new investment/promotion matters in the ICT sector. Similarly, the communication regulator (CCK) was going to run into credibility problems if it started participating directly in the promotion of ICT services or the initiation of pilot ICT projects. The other body was the National Communications Secretariat which had its role clearly specified in Section 84 of the Communications Act as : “to advise the Government on the adoption of a communication policy.” It could therefore not extend its operations to other ICT matters without substantial amendments to the law. Eventually, consensus was build around setting up an ICT Authority. But even this paused some problems. An authority had to have its own Board separate from management. This was going to require the appointment of a group of eminent persons from the ICT sector to the Board of the Authority who in turn would have to appoint another group of persons (mostly from the same sector) to run the affairs of the Authority in line with contemporary corporate governance principles. Eventually, the Government settled on the ICT Board with a CEO who was to be the Chairman of the Board. Following this decision, the Board was created under section 3 of the State Corporation Act as a corporate body with perpetual succession and common seal, and capable of suing and being sued. This I believe is long enough for all of us to digest. Anybody who remembers more can contribute or amend before the mandate can be scrutinized as Alex has attempted to do. Regards James Kulubi ===================== The views expressed here are personal and not in any way those of the Multimedia University College of Kenya where the Author Works as the Principal. From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> To: Kulubi James <jkulubi(a)yahoo.co.uk> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Wed, 7 April, 2010 10:59:30 Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: Is Kenya Ready for Innovation? I hope this contribution is not cheapened to protecting individuals or name calling. My intention is solely to address the "approach" most holistically but I am alive to the fact that some will invariably view this as a "personal attack" hence may react unexpectedly. Anyhow, everyone has a right to their opinion. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Kulubi James <jkulubi(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I have read with interest recent discussions about the ICT Board and also > about innovation in our beautiful country. I am compelled to contribute. The genesis of the ICT Board problem stems from contradiction between what the ICT Board believes is their mandate, repeated governance questions hanging around their ad hoc and tax payer costly series of activities. They diverted their mandate to “four-fold 1) Marketing: Positioning and promoting Kenya as an ICT destination (locally and internationally), especially promoting Business process Outsourcing (BPO) and Offshoring. 2) Advisory: Advise the government on all relevant matters pertaining to the development and promotion of ICT industries in the country 3) Capacity Building:Providing government and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development. 4) Project Management: Coordinating, directing and implementing anchor ICT projects in development.” http://www.ict.go.ke/index.php/theboard/our-mandate-a-objectives - - Whereas the Kenya Gazette Supplement No. 11 Legal Notice No.26 of 2 march,2007 that established them states their mandate as: - - Functions of the Board: “4. The functions of the Board shall be to - [emphasis mine] (a) advise the Government on all relevant matters pertaining to the development, co-ordination and promotion of information and communication technology industries in the country; (b) promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investment in information and communications technology; (c) facilitate and manage information and communication technology, industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land; (d) appoint agents within and without the country to carry out such functions, as it may consider necessary, in accordance with this Order; (e) carry out any other activities as, in the Board's opinion, will promote and facilitate the development of information and communications technology products and services.” - - Therefore, the ICT Board's continued journey on their ultra vires path will go very far, but in the wrong direction. Question the value proposition in abandoning income generating activities to attend the next hurriedly convened meetings “to discuss” what such so clearly stated on the law? (Civil Society describes such gatherings as “ventilating forums” or “whining forums” where the aggrieved public poured their frustrations hearts out, yet nothing much changed thereafter at high-office government circles... simply “officials criticism management” events of sort often used by government fat muscle machinery to crush legitimate criticisms by individual members of the public. Another forum was held at the KICC 2 years ago which discussed the very Kenya ICT Board. Soon after, they went back to “business as usual” where nothing much changed.) > We will soon have a new constitution and the public will expect changes not > only in government systems but also in the way they live and work. This > therefore brings to bear a new question. The public has long cried for changes in the matter state officials (their employees) have been poorly serving them. For example, the secrecy around deals entered into by officials with private companies, opaque and costly ICT activities and “projects” etc. The Rights sector has since 2000 tirelessly urged the governmnet to implement the Freedom of Information to shed light on thus far governance in darkness which has only served as breeding grounds for extended, entrenched and institutionalised corruption. The new constitution dilutes the current top-down power structure and empowers mwananchi. > Is the country ready for radical innovation? Yes! And it has always been... But the power holders detest 'disruptive' innovation. They are the ones that in fact have been opposed radical innovation because that dilutes their grip on power, resources, and public control. They fear innovation because it it has the potential of creating new centres of power - A wild allegation that must be supported by facts? Consider the history of how the Internet entered Kenya. Moi era was so frightened of it that an official communication banned it from all government offices. And only a handful of the “politically correct” in the private sector were gradually permitted to operate it. Their loss of public thinking capture through state controlled KBC as the only means of receiving information and communication was simply unbearable. Dr. Mary Muiruri wrote the chapter on Kenya on the book “Negotiating the Net” http://www.cidcm.umd.edu/ntn/ In other words, power brokers oppose innovation unless and until they can manipulate it – directly(through policies, laws, and regulations) or indirectly,for example, where they co-own the ventures (e.g. mobitelea) thus can influence decision and/or their “right” ones are put in charge of the innovations- never mind their (or lack thereof) technical qualifications to manage innovation. >>Fast forward>> Could today's high communication prices be deliberately engineered by the establishment so as to frustrate bottom-up innovation- as back door to retain power at the top? How much does the powerful ruling elite own in the telecommunications industry? Did they game the system to privately benefit from public exploitation by “private sector” companies when in essence they are one an the same? Why public funds invested in TEAMS cable today has never benefited the public? Did the government that was the initiative leader deliberately water down its shareholding on the cable? Was it a deliberate shareholding weakening to later conveniently excuse self and blame “private sector” and perpetually expect and “hope [failed] competition will bring prices down.” As proof of sincerity, all public official need to first exercise Freedom of Information principles in their projects, activities, so-called “public-private-partnership” and deals entered into therein,, etc then the public can discern genuine public-good initiatives from private and personal steal-quick initiatives that have absolutely no relation to promoting innovation or of any national interests (mistaken by some as “Nationals Interests”) Engagement on this innovation, and other, governance matters should be three-fold a) the politics b) motive of the actors and c) the details. Unless the politics and and motives are clearly understood, then it may be time wasteful to over-engage on details - because the a) and b) forces easily wreck whatever “details” one may have invested so much in (time, expertise, money, reputation etc) Meanwhile, as indicators to the some of the frustrations facing local innovators, have a look at "The excruciating pain of being a Kenyan Coder" by Idd Salim http://www.iddsalim.com/blog/2009/11/09/the-excruciating-pain-of-being-a-ke… and http://www.iddsalim.com/blog/2009/11/13/the-excruciating-pain-of-being-a-ke… Some of us have been screaming ourselves hoarse... but nothing gets done. Could we be back to the pre-June 2005 ICT Policy position "Kenya lacks high level ICT leadership?" regards, Alex > The millennium challenges require the Third World to change focus and > address simple and well-stated goals. However, the paradigm called “third > world decease” which was introduced to me over 20 years ago by one Prof. > Leo Van Biesen (you may Google him) still hangs on our necks. To highlight > this decease, he paused the question: “What does it matter if one knows > something but nobody is using that knowledge? What does it matter? In any > case chances are that with the rapid advances in knowledge, somebody is > going to gain the same knowledge anyway or even put in a better way – > somebody somewhere may already have the same knowledge.” > > In this breadth, Third World has many well trained experts in all spheres of > knowledge with outstanding decorations but they are completely unable to > translate what they know into some kind of innovative service or product > that can significantly improve the lives of the ordinary person. Year in > year out we complain about bad leadership, limited foreign investment, > limited access to information , etc. > > > > In this regard, Dr. Mohan (IBM Fellow and Former IBM India Chief Scientist > recently gave a speech at the University of California at Santa Cruz > entitled “Can India be an innovation superpower?” A summary of his speech > can be found at http://bit.ly/dxuurP. According to him, the innovation > eco-system includes: > > Government: Infrastructure, Incubation/Research Funding, > Intellectual Property protection, R&D Labs > Universities: Faculty including adjunct, Students, Teaching Vs > Research, Consulting, Incubation, > Public/Private firms: R&D labs, Visionary leaders, University linkages > Funding Entities: Banks, VC firms, Government agencies – debt Vs equity > Networking/Trade Bodies: Mentoring, Standards, > Large customer base, especially domestic, > Society at Large: Cultural attitudes like questioning authority, Relatives > Money focus, press freedom, and availability of relevant role models. > > Dr. Mohan goes further to list the essential attributes for innovation as: > > Sheer intellect, analytical thinking, synthesis, inquisitiveness, > Sustained work in an area, > Maniacal focus and attention to detail, > Appreciation for long term technical careers and related role models, > Soft skills and belief in collaborating with other people, > Risk taking and handling failures gracefully, > Dedicated follow through to turn invention to innovation, > Scale: pockets of brilliance are often insufficient for meaningful impact, > Paths/desire for faculty to turn research into commercial impact, > Truly serious collaboration between academia and industry, and > Ability to promote startups while at the same time upholding > well-established companies. > > Further, he identifies the following issues that appear pertinent to India > but may also apply to any third world country. > > Putting too much focus on compensation; > High-quality work and leaving a legacy are often secondary goals, if at all; > Sense of entitlement, instant gratification pervade youth from day one at > work; > Lots of MoU signings between industry & academia, and Indian & foreign > universities – more photo ops and not enough serious follow ups; > true desire for collaboration lacking even in faculty (within/outside the > university); > Not enough accountability of outcomes with R&D investments; > When good does happen, not enough publicity/documentation; > Not enough interest in postgraduate education/research; > Tempting to blame convenient scapegoats: infrastructure, government, > politicians, bureaucracy, corruption, reservations; > Only lip service provided on striving for excellence In spite of becoming > modern in many ways, hierarchy still matters and questioning authority is > frowned on; > Too often looking westward for requirements/problems when local customers do > have non-trivial problems that call for innovation; > Acute shortage of soft skills; > False believe that all entrepreneurship equals being innovation; > Quantum leap in level of professionalism needed; > Doing subcontract/QA work may bring in money but cost arbitrage won’t be > sustainable – have to move up the food chain; > Too much of narrow grunt work and not enough indulgence in exploration on > the side as skunk works by individuals; and > Lank of understanding that managing technologists and technology products > requires special management skills. > > When I carefully examine these issues, I see myself, all you my colleagues > and the rest of the third world as part of the problem but not the solution > or ARE WE? > > Regards > > James Kulubi > > > From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> > To: ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> > Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 21:29:08 > Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: Price never goes down in Kenya > > The painful truth behind this article is quite upsetting. That costs > keep rising or at best remain high. We have complained about it yet > not much seems to result in lowered consumers internet costs. > > But at least, domain hosting has just became much more affordable! > > Background: > > Hosting has been expensive - 'New communications technologies and > freedom of expression in > Kenya'http://www.freedomofexpression.org.uk/files/Kenya_FoE.pdf > - - - - > 2.2.3 Costs of having an online presence > > The costs of internet domain names, website development and web > hosting are expensive in Kenya, effectively preventing most of the > population from having a presence online. As of 23 October 2008, there > were 9,238 generic .ke domains and 548 restricted or ‘second level’ > domains registered, totalling 9,786 .ke domain names. The policies of > Kenic (Kenya Network Information Centre) on internet domain pricing > were hotly discussed during the period of this study. A price of Ksh > 2,000 per domain had applied for all .ke domains, until sustained > complaints that the domain was overpriced, and that this was a barrier > to purchasers, compelled Kenic to review prices downwards in August > 2008. However Kenic’s Board decided to lower to 500 Ksh only the > prices of restricted domain names (those used by government and > schools) which were also the least registered. Kenic’s minutes from > its annual general meetings fail to record the levels of public > dissatisfaction with their policies, reflecting a tendency to report > only on positive achievements. > > Estimates suggest that the lowest accepted commercial rate for website > development is around US$ 1,000 (approximately Ksh 80,000), making the > cost prohibitively high for community and civil society organisations. > Professionally developed websites can cost upwards of three times this > amount. Popular ‘cheap’ hosting in the US costs about US$ 100 > (approximately Ksh 7,500) per year29, which is expensive for many > Kenyans and civil society organisations. > > Around 50% of Kenyan websites are currently hosted overseas. The > organisation Afrispa (A continental Association of African Internet > Service Providers) has published a strategy arguing that this is the > case because the ‘unfair distribution of bandwidth cost sharing is > actually driving traffic out of AISP [African Internet Service > Provider] backbones and into IBP [International Backbone Providers] > backbones’. Kenyan ISPs, it says, are effectively bearing the cost of > international connectivity in both directions, resulting in higher > costs to consumers. The strategy proposes redressing this imbalance of > cost sharing and the consequent high prices, by promoting the > development ‘peering’ through Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) so that > locally-destined traffic can be routed locally and at lower cost. > - - - > Today hosting services remain quite expensive, for example, below are > annual costs published at one of the local hosting company's website:- > > 50MB - KSH 3,000/= > 100MB - KSH 6,000/= > 300MB - KSH 9,000/= > 500MB - KSH 12,000/= > > Quite prohibitive costs which I know should be way much lower!!! > > Intervention: > > An own small contribution towards lowering the prevailing high internet > costs. > > In contributing to the solving the internet domain hosting costs, > today I partnered with one of the best hosting companies in the world. > I am pleased to inform you that from now on your domain/website can be > hosted (with 500MB disk space) at shillings 3,500/= (three thousand > five hundred only) per year. > > You can assist: > > May I request that you kindly let persons that may be interested in > this affordable hosting know of this intervention? > > regards, > > Alex > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> [Our cartels ruled economic arrangement defeats 'free market' >> philosophy. Unless government intervenes on telecommunication prices >> as promised a while back by PS Ndemo, then consumers should just >> forget all those promised 'wonderful benefits of ICTs' - internet >> fibres, mobile, contents/applications, etc. etc. -true or false? AG] >> -- >> [Daily Nation] >> By ALLAN NGUNGU >> Sunday, April 4 2010 >> >> Kenya has in all along been a veritable capitalist country whose >> free-wheeling economic model has compared the US and Britain. >> >> In Africa, it is ranked among the top entrepreneurial states, its >> people staking their business acumen from Eastern Africa to Botswana >> to the goldmine havens of South Africa. >> >> But even with this “market economy”, it has had a major flaw: it’s >> almost entirely based on an edifice of ever rising prices of goods and >> services — and production costs. These always go up but never, ever >> come down even when the open market dictates so. >> >> The precepts of a free market as espoused by the Keyneses of this >> world never seem to work here, no supply-driven price drops. >> >> During times of drought, for instance, prices of goods shoot up, but >> when it rains cats and dogs, prices remain high for all manner of >> dubious reasons including the favourite: the roads are impassable. >> >> Right now, prices of maize, potatoes and milk have precipitously >> dropped in various parts of the country but the middle-men vultures >> have swooped in, buying at throwaway prices only to make a killing in >> towns. >> >> When cattle are dying and herders are selling at rock-bottom prices, >> meat prices never go down but will swiftly go up if there is a minor >> shortage. >> >> When crude oil prices escalated from around $60 to $147 a barrel in >> the latter half of 2008, Kenyan oil companies gleefully raised prices >> to over Shs110 in days, When the barrel prices dropped below the >> original, it took the virtual intervention of the Government with >> threats of price controls to nudge these companies to reduce the >> prices even though all they did was a slap-in the face. >> >> After the huge escalation of electricity rates late last year >> supposedly because of the drought, there has virtually been no drop >> even as we have swollen rivers wiping out villages. >> >> WHEN CONSUMERS WERE ENDURING the economically costly power rationing, >> Kenya Power and Lighting Co — that edifice that is adept more at power >> outages than lighting — was reporting astronomical profits. How one >> makes huge profits during a power rationing regime is a mystery. >> >> There are many other examples, including, mobile telephone rates that >> are some of the highest in the world, Internet charges that remain >> high despite the landing of the much-hyped fibre optic cables or >> matatus that triple fares because it has suddenly rained or because it >> is Christmas. >> >> It is the same for Kenya’s legendary shylocks in the form of banks who >> have defied all pressure including positive measures to reduce their >> high credit interest rates while paying puny amounts to depositors. >> >> The result is always the same: far from increasing their sales and >> customer base, Kenyan businesses, big and small, end up excluding huge >> numbers, while remaining highly uncompetitive globally. >> >> They don’t have a clue about why huge companies such as Wal-Mart, >> Ford, Toyota and others became such success stories — they sold cheap >> to all strands of clients, not just to those who could afford their >> goods. >> >> Henry Ford captured this early last century when he found out his >> workers could not afford the cars they made. >> >> >> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Price%20never%20goes%20down%20in%20Ken… >> > > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers

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Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER
by Shah, SurajX 08 Apr '10

08 Apr '10

Charles I am the current acting Chairman of KIF. Earlier KIF tried to converging all ICT associations under one umbrella body, but not everyone wants to play ball - it is a bit like political parties. Regards Suraj Shah Corporate Affairs Manager Intel Corporation | Kenya | Office: 7th Floor, Purshottam Place, Westlands Road next to CfC Stanbic Bank, Nairobi | Tel: +254 20 3601724 / 3601727 | Mobile: +254 722 412277 | Email: surajx.shah(a)intel.com -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+surajx.shah=intel.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+surajx.shah=intel.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:14 AM To: Shah, SurajX Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 35, Issue 54 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER (charles nduati) 2. Re: ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER-1st Pope? (Walubengo J) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 03:49:12 +0000 (GMT) From: charles nduati <charlesnduati2002(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke, bm(a)jkuates.jkuat.ac.ke Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER Message-ID: <813391.93318.qm(a)web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi listers, I have truly enjoyed this debate especially having been the first founding executive director of KENYA ICT FEDERATION (KIF) With other industry captains like mike eldon our founder chairman and all chairmen of the then 12 existing ICT associations i.e. 2003. our vision was exactly what this debate is about and we anchored KIF under KEPSA. as Dr. siganga said, there is no need of recreating the wheel. just contact Dr. kevit desai the KIF governor at KEPSA and ask him to adopt all ICT associations and stakeholders in KEPSA through KIF. believe me folks, if the ROMAN KING CONSTANTINE hadn t merged all christian sects and made himself the first POPE, christianity would not have survived 2000 years and be so successful in its mission good day all charles nduati On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:34 EEST Harry Delano wrote: >Al Kags, > >That is why this town hall meeting may be important. Actually Harry (Hare), >came up with a more brilliant >idea that would require us to make this to be more of an evaluation process >- that would create a "need" for >either overhaul or improvement in structures and processes. This could be >enacted by Govt, either through >legislation, or an executive decision. > >Mr. Kukubo, also had a good suggestion that we cast the net wider, to draw >in as many stakeholers as >we can. This, I suppose would be be a perfect chance for us, to tick each of >these agencies off the list, >enumerating their roles, mandate, and how this all should fit in the bigger >picture across the national ICT >Landscape. I suppose, we need to hold to account those tasked with a >mandate.. > >So I suppose, the question we should be asking ourselves, is where do we >first start - The town hall meeting..? >And how do we cast this net wider for participation..? > >Harry > > _____ > >From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >Behalf Of Al Kags >Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:45 PM >To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > >Gilda, you are right that all organisations need to meet their obligations >effectively. I wonder though whether some of them are not duplicated? >especially some that we have seen listed on this thread? > > >On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, <godera(a)skyweb.co.ke> wrote: > > > >Hi Harry, > >I believe the various organisations are all playing their own unique roles. >Key thing is for each to meet it's obligations effectively. >Tim Waema's proposal on the discussion of various organisations and their >mandate is no doubt a good idea to get things cleared and for industry to >continue giving their input so that the organisations are well designed. > >Best, > >Gilda > > >Quoting Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke>: > >> >> S. Murigi, >> >> Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter note... >> >> So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a whole >myriad >> of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st time.. >> >> Harry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> >=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >> Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya >> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:25 PM >> To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My >purpose >> then was to find out what they were about. >> >> Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less >than >> 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website. >> >> Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too >disappointed. >> For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies >can >> be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the >> professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say >this >> is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally. >> >> We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies >who >> jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are >> unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech >community >> support eg. www.ihub.co.ke >> >> Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the best >> (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as >much >> as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft, >> Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via >> these industry events. >> >> If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build >> capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software >> entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation' >> they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know. >> >> Nimechoka - typing on a mobile. >> >> SMM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52 >> To: murigi.muraya(a)gmail.com >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> Dr. Siganga, >> >> Your write up makes sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, >in >> other words we handle government agencies and industry associations >> separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest >government >> agencies first. >> >> Regards >> >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> >> wrote: >> > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to >> > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the >> > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with >> > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but >> > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other >> > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to >> > Walu on 7/7/08: >> >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a >> >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would >> >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines >> >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System >> >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can >> >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc... >> > >> > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body >> > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even >> > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold >> > water except from Kamotho. >> > >> > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see >> > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". >> > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by >> > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear >> > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of >> > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how >> > can the same government be involved in their set up? The other >> > axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not >> > deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples >> > of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a >> > membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up >under >> the same "Societies Act"). >> > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the >> > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who >> > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing >> > associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of >> > professional hecklers of existing associations. >> > >> > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations >> > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. >> > This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime >> > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. >> > >> > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and >> > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would >> > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be >> > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" >> > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership >> > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily >> > come together and run their interests. The members have their own >> > channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to >> > realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have >> > overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the >> > association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a >> > specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and >> > ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The >> > Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job >> > in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them. >> > Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held >> > at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider >> > audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more >> members. Overall, an associations' >> > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for >> > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's >> > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that >> > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others >> > can learn from them as well. >> > >> > Waudo >> > www.cskonline.org >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua(a)lpakenya.org wrote: >> >> Dear listers, >> >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was >> >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was >> >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant >> >> remember if the Government agencies were represented. >> >> >> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we >> >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of >> >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with >> >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't >> >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other >> >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the >> >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily >> >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by >> >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not >> >> too long ago. >> >> >> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance >> >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an >> >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that >> >> is recognized by an Act of parliament. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Ikua >> >> >> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo(a)gmail.com>: >> >> >> >> > Dear all, >> >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs >> >> > in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and >> >> > DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry >> associations that are not effective. >> >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. >> >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded >> >> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two >> >> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with >> >> > these presentations being made available earlier for participants >> >> > to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those >> >> > persons. tim >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno >> >> > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Daktari, >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the >> >> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting >> >> >> is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently >> >> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether >> >> >> they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo >> >> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau >> >> >> <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: >> >> >> >> Barrack, >> >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it >> >> >> >> will be >> >> >> wise >> >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> Malili. >> >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create >> >> >> >> these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms >> >> >> >> are good only when you point out where there are gaps. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only >> >> >> >> one >> >> >> person >> >> >> >> did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya >> >> >> >> kuchongoana >> >> >> tu. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy >> >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? >> >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed >> >> >> > along the >> >> >> way. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy >> >> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then arouse >> >> >> >> sufficient interest from >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> membership here. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the >contents! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ndemo. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this >> >> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can >> >> >> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in >> >> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i >> >> >> >>> saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early >> >> >> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something from >NCS >> as well plus any other agencies. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Regards >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga >> >> >> >>> <volunga(a)yahoo.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications >> >> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord >> >> >> >>>> and how do the two bodies >> >> >> relate >> >> >> >>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT >> matters? >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Regards >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Vitalis >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> ________________________________ >> >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >> >> >> >>>> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com >> >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> >> >> >>>> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM >> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Hi, >> >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, >> >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to >> >> >> >>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be called >> >> >> >>>> ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. >> >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board >> >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the >> >> >> >>>> Kenya >> >> >> Gazette >> >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: >> >> >> >>>> ? To advice the government on all relevant matters >> >> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM >> >> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. >> >> >> >>>> ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities >> >> >> >>>> for investments in ICT technology ? Facilitate and manage >> >> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and >> >> >> technology >> >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and >> land. >> >> >> >>>> ? Partner with agents within and without the country to >> >> >> >>>> carry out >> >> >> such >> >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary. >> >> >> >>>> ? To transform and empower society through deployment and >> >> >> >>>> use of >> >> >> ICTs. >> >> >> >>>> ? 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Message-ID: <216265.64212.qm(a)web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Charles, At the risk of starting a religious debate, ...jst wanted to clarify.? 1st Pope was never Constantine but St. Peter...in the 1st Century.? Constantine came on the scene 300years later.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I ... walu. --- On Thu, 4/8/10, charles nduati <charlesnduati2002(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: charles nduati <charlesnduati2002(a)yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 7:49 AM Hi listers, I have truly enjoyed this debate especially having been the first founding executive director of KENYA ICT FEDERATION (KIF) With other industry captains like mike eldon our founder chairman and all chairmen of the then 12 existing ICT associations i.e. 2003. our vision was exactly what this debate is about and we anchored KIF under KEPSA. as Dr. siganga said,? there is no need of recreating the wheel. just contact Dr. kevit desai the KIF governor at KEPSA and ask him to adopt all ICT associations and stakeholders in KEPSA through KIF. believe me folks, if the ROMAN KING CONSTANTINE hadn t merged all christian sects and made himself the first POPE, christianity would not have survived 2000? years and be so successful in its mission good day all charles nduati On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:34 EEST Harry Delano wrote: >Al Kags, > >That is why this town hall meeting may be important. Actually Harry (Hare), >came up with a more brilliant >idea that would require us to make this to be more of an evaluation process >- that would create a "need" for >either overhaul or improvement in structures and processes. This could be >enacted by Govt, either through >legislation, or an executive decision. > >Mr. Kukubo, also had a good suggestion that we cast the net wider, to draw >in as many stakeholers as >we can. This, I suppose would be be a perfect chance for us, to tick each of >these agencies off the list, >enumerating their roles, mandate, and how this all should fit in the bigger >picture across the national ICT >Landscape. I suppose, we need to hold to account those tasked with a >mandate.. > >So I suppose, the question we should be asking ourselves, is where do we >first start - The town hall meeting..? >And how do we cast this net wider for participation..? > >Harry > >? _____? > >From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >Behalf Of Al Kags >Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:45 PM >To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > >Gilda, you are right that all organisations need to meet their obligations >effectively. I wonder though whether some of them are not duplicated? >especially some that we have seen listed on this thread? > > >On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, <godera(a)skyweb.co.ke> wrote: > > > >Hi Harry, > >I believe the various organisations are all playing their own unique roles. >Key thing is for each to meet it's obligations effectively. >Tim Waema's proposal on the discussion of various organisations and their >mandate is no doubt a good idea to get things cleared and for industry to >continue giving their input so that the organisations are well designed. > >Best, > >Gilda > > >Quoting Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke>: > >> >> S. Murigi, >> >> Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter note... >> >> So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a whole >myriad >> of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st time.. >> >> Harry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> >=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >> Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya >> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:25 PM >> To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My >purpose >> then was to find out what they were about. >> >> Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less >than >> 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website. >> >> Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too >disappointed. >> For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies >can >> be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the >> professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say >this >> is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally. >> >> We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies >who >> jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are >> unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech >community >> support eg. www.ihub.co.ke >> >> Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the best >> (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as >much >> as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft, >> Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via >> these industry events. >> >> If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build >> capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software >> entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation' >> they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know. >> >> Nimechoka - typing on a mobile. >> >> SMM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52 >> To: murigi.muraya(a)gmail.com >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> Dr. Siganga, >> >> Your write up makes? sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, >in >> other words we handle government agencies and industry associations >> separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest >government >> agencies first. >> >> Regards >> >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> >> wrote: >> > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to >> > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the >> > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with >> > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but >> > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other >> > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to >> > Walu on 7/7/08: >> >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a >> >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would >> >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines >> >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System >> >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can >> >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc... >> > >> > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body >> > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even >> > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act".? The idea received cold >> > water except from Kamotho. >> > >> > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see >> > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". >> > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by >> > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear >> > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of >> > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how >> > can the same government be involved in their set up? The other >> > axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not >> > deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples >> > of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a >> > membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up >under >> the same "Societies Act"). >> > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the >> > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who >> > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing >> > associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of >> > professional hecklers of existing associations. >> > >> > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations >> > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. >> > This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime >> > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. >> > >> > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and >> > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would >> > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be >> > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" >> > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership >> > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily >> > come together and run their interests. The members have their own >> > channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to >> > realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have >> > overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the >> > association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a >> > specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and >> > ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The >> > Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job >> > in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them. >> > Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held >> > at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider >> > audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more >> members. Overall, an associations' >> > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for >> > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's >> > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that >> > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others >> > can learn from them as well. >> > >> > Waudo >> > www.cskonline.org >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua(a)lpakenya.org wrote: >> >> Dear listers, >> >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was >> >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was >> >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant >> >> remember if the Government agencies were represented. >> >> >> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we >> >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of >> >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with >> >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't >> >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other >> >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the >> >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily >> >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by >> >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not >> >> too long ago. >> >> >> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance >> >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an >> >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that >> >> is recognized by an Act of parliament. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Ikua >> >> >> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo(a)gmail.com>: >> >> >> >> > Dear all, >> >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs >> >> > in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and >> >> > DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry >> associations that are not effective. >> >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. >> >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded >> >> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two? >> >> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with >> >> > these presentations being made available earlier for participants >> >> > to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those >> >> > persons. tim >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno >> >> > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Daktari, >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the >> >> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting >> >> >> is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently >> >> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether >> >> >> they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo >> >> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau >> >> >> <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: >> >> >> >> Barrack, >> >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it >> >> >> >> will be >> >> >> wise >> >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> Malili. >> >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create >> >> >> >> these agencies without putting some thought to it.? Criticisms >> >> >> >> are good only when you point out where there are gaps. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only >> >> >> >> one >> >> >> person >> >> >> >> did respond.? What it means then is that this forum ni ya >> >> >> >> kuchongoana >> >> >> tu. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy >> >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? >> >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed >> >> >> > along the >> >> >> way. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate.? I have four other policy >> >> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then arouse >> >> >> >> sufficient interest from >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> membership here. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the >contents! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ndemo. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this >> >> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can >> >> >> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in >> >> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i >> >> >> >>> saw a? post from Paul on what the board has achieved early >> >> >> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something from >NCS >> as well plus any other agencies. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Regards >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga >> >> >> >>> <volunga(a)yahoo.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications >> >> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord >> >> >> >>>> and how do the two bodies >> >> >> relate >> >> >> >>>> with respect to? advisory services to the governement on ICT >> matters? >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Regards >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Vitalis >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> ________________________________ >> >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >> >> >> >>>> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com >> >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> >> >> >>>> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM >> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Hi, >> >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, >> >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to >> >> >> >>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be called >> >> >> >>>> ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. >> >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board >> >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the >> >> >> >>>> Kenya >> >> >> Gazette >> >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: >> >> >> >>>> ?? To advice the government on all relevant matters >> >> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination? (remember the PM >> >> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. >> >> >> >>>> ?? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities >> >> >> >>>> for investments in ICT technology ?? Facilitate and manage >> >> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and >> >> >> technology >> >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and >> land. >> >> >> >>>> ?? Partner with agents within and without the country to >> >> >> >>>> carry out >> >> >> such >> >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary. >> >> >> >>>> ?? To transform and empower society through deployment and >> >> >> >>>> use of >> >> >> ICTs. >> >> >> >>>> ?? Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT >> >> >> >>>> products >> >> >> and >> >> >> >>>> services. >> >> >> >>>> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes >> >> >> >>>> you >> >> >> guessed >> >> >> >>>> it I >> >> >> >>>> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. >> >> >> >>>> Regards >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >>>> kictanet mailing list >> >> >> >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> >> >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com >> >> >> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrac >> >> >> k%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >> >>> Barrack O. 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Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER
by charles nduati 08 Apr '10

08 Apr '10

Hi listers, I have truly enjoyed this debate especially having been the first founding executive director of KENYA ICT FEDERATION (KIF) With other industry captains like mike eldon our founder chairman and all chairmen of the then 12 existing ICT associations i.e. 2003. our vision was exactly what this debate is about and we anchored KIF under KEPSA. as Dr. siganga said, there is no need of recreating the wheel. just contact Dr. kevit desai the KIF governor at KEPSA and ask him to adopt all ICT associations and stakeholders in KEPSA through KIF. believe me folks, if the ROMAN KING CONSTANTINE hadn t merged all christian sects and made himself the first POPE, christianity would not have survived 2000 years and be so successful in its mission good day all charles nduati On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:34 EEST Harry Delano wrote: >Al Kags, > >That is why this town hall meeting may be important. Actually Harry (Hare), >came up with a more brilliant >idea that would require us to make this to be more of an evaluation process >- that would create a "need" for >either overhaul or improvement in structures and processes. This could be >enacted by Govt, either through >legislation, or an executive decision. > >Mr. Kukubo, also had a good suggestion that we cast the net wider, to draw >in as many stakeholers as >we can. This, I suppose would be be a perfect chance for us, to tick each of >these agencies off the list, >enumerating their roles, mandate, and how this all should fit in the bigger >picture across the national ICT >Landscape. I suppose, we need to hold to account those tasked with a >mandate.. > >So I suppose, the question we should be asking ourselves, is where do we >first start - The town hall meeting..? >And how do we cast this net wider for participation..? > >Harry > > _____ > >From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >Behalf Of Al Kags >Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:45 PM >To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > >Gilda, you are right that all organisations need to meet their obligations >effectively. I wonder though whether some of them are not duplicated? >especially some that we have seen listed on this thread? > > >On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, <godera(a)skyweb.co.ke> wrote: > > > >Hi Harry, > >I believe the various organisations are all playing their own unique roles. >Key thing is for each to meet it's obligations effectively. >Tim Waema's proposal on the discussion of various organisations and their >mandate is no doubt a good idea to get things cleared and for industry to >continue giving their input so that the organisations are well designed. > >Best, > >Gilda > > >Quoting Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke>: > >> >> S. Murigi, >> >> Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter note... >> >> So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a whole >myriad >> of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st time.. >> >> Harry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> >=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >> Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya >> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:25 PM >> To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My >purpose >> then was to find out what they were about. >> >> Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less >than >> 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website. >> >> Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too >disappointed. >> For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies >can >> be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the >> professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say >this >> is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally. >> >> We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies >who >> jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are >> unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech >community >> support eg. www.ihub.co.ke >> >> Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the best >> (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as >much >> as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft, >> Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via >> these industry events. >> >> If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build >> capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software >> entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation' >> they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know. >> >> Nimechoka - typing on a mobile. >> >> SMM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52 >> To: murigi.muraya(a)gmail.com >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> Dr. Siganga, >> >> Your write up makes sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, >in >> other words we handle government agencies and industry associations >> separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest >government >> agencies first. >> >> Regards >> >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> >> wrote: >> > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to >> > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the >> > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with >> > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but >> > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other >> > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to >> > Walu on 7/7/08: >> >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a >> >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would >> >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines >> >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System >> >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can >> >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc... >> > >> > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body >> > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even >> > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold >> > water except from Kamotho. >> > >> > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see >> > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". >> > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by >> > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear >> > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of >> > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how >> > can the same government be involved in their set up? The other >> > axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not >> > deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples >> > of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a >> > membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up >under >> the same "Societies Act"). >> > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the >> > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who >> > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing >> > associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of >> > professional hecklers of existing associations. >> > >> > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations >> > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. >> > This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime >> > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. >> > >> > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and >> > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would >> > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be >> > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" >> > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership >> > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily >> > come together and run their interests. The members have their own >> > channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to >> > realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have >> > overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the >> > association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a >> > specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and >> > ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The >> > Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job >> > in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them. >> > Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held >> > at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider >> > audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more >> members. Overall, an associations' >> > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for >> > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's >> > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that >> > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others >> > can learn from them as well. >> > >> > Waudo >> > www.cskonline.org >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua(a)lpakenya.org wrote: >> >> Dear listers, >> >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was >> >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was >> >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant >> >> remember if the Government agencies were represented. >> >> >> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we >> >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of >> >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with >> >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't >> >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other >> >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the >> >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily >> >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by >> >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not >> >> too long ago. >> >> >> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance >> >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an >> >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that >> >> is recognized by an Act of parliament. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Ikua >> >> >> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo(a)gmail.com>: >> >> >> >> > Dear all, >> >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs >> >> > in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and >> >> > DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry >> associations that are not effective. >> >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. >> >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded >> >> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two >> >> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with >> >> > these presentations being made available earlier for participants >> >> > to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those >> >> > persons. tim >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno >> >> > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Daktari, >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the >> >> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting >> >> >> is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently >> >> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether >> >> >> they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo >> >> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau >> >> >> <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: >> >> >> >> Barrack, >> >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it >> >> >> >> will be >> >> >> wise >> >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> Malili. >> >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create >> >> >> >> these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms >> >> >> >> are good only when you point out where there are gaps. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only >> >> >> >> one >> >> >> person >> >> >> >> did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya >> >> >> >> kuchongoana >> >> >> tu. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy >> >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? >> >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed >> >> >> > along the >> >> >> way. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy >> >> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then arouse >> >> >> >> sufficient interest from >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> membership here. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the >contents! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ndemo. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this >> >> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can >> >> >> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in >> >> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i >> >> >> >>> saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early >> >> >> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something from >NCS >> as well plus any other agencies. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Regards >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga >> >> >> >>> <volunga(a)yahoo.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications >> >> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord >> >> >> >>>> and how do the two bodies >> >> >> relate >> >> >> >>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT >> matters? >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Regards >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Vitalis >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> ________________________________ >> >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >> >> >> >>>> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com >> >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> >> >> >>>> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM >> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Hi, >> >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, >> >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to >> >> >> >>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be called >> >> >> >>>> ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. >> >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board >> >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the >> >> >> >>>> Kenya >> >> >> Gazette >> >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: >> >> >> >>>> ? To advice the government on all relevant matters >> >> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM >> >> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. >> >> >> >>>> ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities >> >> >> >>>> for investments in ICT technology ? Facilitate and manage >> >> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and >> >> >> technology >> >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and >> land. >> >> >> >>>> ? Partner with agents within and without the country to >> >> >> >>>> carry out >> >> >> such >> >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary. >> >> >> >>>> ? To transform and empower society through deployment and >> >> >> >>>> use of >> >> >> ICTs. >> >> >> >>>> ? Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT >> >> >> >>>> products >> >> >> and >> >> >> >>>> services. >> >> >> >>>> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes >> >> >> >>>> you >> >> >> guessed >> >> >> >>>> it I >> >> >> >>>> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. >> >> >> >>>> Regards >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >>>> kictanet mailing list >> >> >> >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> >> >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com >> >> >> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrac >> >> >> k%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >> >>> Barrack O. 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Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
by S.Murigi Muraya 07 Apr '10

07 Apr '10

About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My purpose then was to find out what they were about. Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less than 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website. Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too disappointed. For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies can be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say this is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally. We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies who jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech community support eg. www.ihub.co.ke Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the best (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as much as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft, Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via these industry events. If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation' they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know. Nimechoka - typing on a mobile. SMM -----Original Message----- From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52 To: murigi.muraya(a)gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked Dr. Siganga, Your write up makes sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, in other words we handle government agencies and industry associations separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest government agencies first. Regards On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> wrote: > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the discussion > did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to Walu > on 7/7/08: >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc... > > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold water > except from Kamotho. > > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how can > the same government be involved in their set up? The other axiomatic > thing about associations is that the ones that do not deliver invariably > die a natural death - and there are many examples of this in Kenya even > within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a membership association (just > like a Church or Club which are set up under the same "Societies Act"). > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing associations > cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of professional > hecklers of existing associations. > > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. This > I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. > > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily come > together and run their interests. The members have their own channels to > discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to realize that > someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have overflowing goodwill > towards (leave alone information about) the association. However, > associations face a lot of challenges and a specific get together of > associations to discuss best practices and ways of being sustainable and > more effective would be welcome. The Business Advocacy Fund is for > example doing a great and positive job in the direction of capacity > building and funding. Well done to them. Another useful type of meeting > is the type you refer to that was held at KICC a couple of years ago > where associations can inform a wider audience about their activities > and roles and, perhaps, recruit more members. Overall, an associations' > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others > can learn from them as well. > > Waudo > www.cskonline.org > > > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua(a)lpakenya.org wrote: >> Dear listers, >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant >> remember if the Government agencies were represented. >> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not >> too long ago. >> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that >> is recognized by an Act of parliament. >> >> Regards, >> Ikua >> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo(a)gmail.com>: >> >> > Dear all, >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs in Kenya, >> > not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and DEG/GITS. It also needs >> > to include the plethora of ICT industry associations that are not effective. >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded by some >> > guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two persons can >> > prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with these presentations >> > being made available earlier for participants to acquint with them. I am >> > also prepared to be one of those persons. tim >> > >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno >> > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> > >> >> Daktari, >> >> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the document as >> >> well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting is a welcome idea >> >> i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently philanthropic before the last >> >> town hall meeting i wonder whether they can double their offer during >> >> this easter season, bwn Magolo can we count on you. Walu can set the >> >> agenda. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau >> >> <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: >> >> >> Barrack, >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be >> >> wise >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on >> >> Malili. >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these >> >> >> agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only >> >> >> when you point out where there are gaps. >> >> >> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one >> >> person >> >> >> did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana >> >> tu. >> >> > >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed along the >> >> way. >> >> > >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I >> >> >> really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from >> >> the >> >> >> membership here. >> >> > >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ndemo. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are >> >> >>> very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with >> >> >>> a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do >> >> >>> some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board >> >> >>> has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need >> >> >>> something from NCS as well plus any other agencies. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Regards >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga(a)yahoo.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What >> >> >>>> is >> >> >>>> the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies >> >> relate >> >> >>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Regards >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Vitalis >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> ________________________________ >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >> >> >>>> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Hi, >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try >> >> >>>> reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything >> >> >>>> and >> >> >>>> everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your >> >> >>>> microwave oven and copier. >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya >> >> Gazette >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: >> >> >>>> ? To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to >> >> >>>> development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT >> >> >>>> industries in the country. >> >> >>>> ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for >> >> >>>> investments in ICT technology >> >> >>>> ? Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and >> >> technology >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. >> >> >>>> ? Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out >> >> such >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary. >> >> >>>> ? 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Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
by robert yawe 07 Apr '10

07 Apr '10

Hi, It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the Hon. Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe once bitten twice shy. The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 Million which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per province this was surely another scan in the making. I remember the MP of Kisumu Hon. Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of sanity in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath. I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from the mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the books are left behind. With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with 20 computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, and many other thinks. Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to meet the objectives. - 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M - This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical wiring & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m which means we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 screens/pcs. We could build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing provided the interlocking soil block making machines - 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million we which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing devices that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA which can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank. - 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local caching. This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been offered technical training. - 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide enough computer teachers. - 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God does not charge for solar, yet). The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be made available to the community in the evenings and as digital villages over the weekends where content can be generated, yes local content (ask me for details). Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% and well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already consumed the 7 million. Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water and writing materials for a bonding session. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building (Victor Maloi)
by Matunda Nyanchama 07 Apr '10

07 Apr '10

Victor Malo, Thanks for the update on Rwanda. Let's put things in context: the discussion was around what model would be most effective in service delivery. Rwanda and South Africa, which I am familiar with adopted one model; we in Kenya have taken another route. We may yet succeeded, but there are clear pros and cons regarding the road we have taken versus the one not taken. And that is NOT a complaint but a critique. We should not be averse to continually examine this road taken and how best to address challenges we face in there. Examples: duplication, delivery standards, information protection, risk management, content & application development, etc. all aimed at effective and efficient service delivery. As well, even with the best/model in place, there are no guarantees of success without requisite factors such as effective management, efficient resource allocation, discipline, commitment, etc. I realize that this debate took place a while back; I wasn't on the list as many others that joined later. However, the issues raised are pertinent and need to be considered for what they are: concerns and feedback that could help strengthen current strategy. And indeed, they contribute towards common understanding of what is happening among stakeholders. Lilian (I believe) brought up a very important point: ICT Governance & compliance. It is NOT clear who or what body in the Kenyan scene has this responsibility, especially with respect to Government ICT services and service delivery. Baadaye. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.”- George Bernard Shaw ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.

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Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
by Vitalis Olunga 07 Apr '10

07 Apr '10

For effective and long-term strategic developments, the system needs to be looked at as a whole, and specifically from "helicopter, or bird's eye view perspective. The right hand needs to know what the left is doing. Duplication of roles and many centres of powers can only deter development. Starting from the global perspective, it was a big debate to arrive at the jus the name "Information, Commuinications and Techonologies." It took the world nations a number of forums and numerous dicussions and dialogue sessions, before a concensus was reached to coin the name, now commonly abbreviated ICT. The main reason was the the complexity arising due rapidly changing technologcal innovations, the changing needs of the people, the needs for governments to develop policicies, etc., Some polcies were were based on comand-and-control approach, in the industries or sub-sectors of economy, in what is now commonly known as the ICT sector. At the beginning the indutry boundaries were distinct, mainly revolving around telecommunications and broadcasting. The life was easy because the enviroment was more stable and the future was easily predicable. With the techlological innovations in computing and communications, and the convergence of variuous technologies, industry boundaries have become more maleable, and increase in flux in industry stractures. This this is a challenge as well as an oppotunity that we are facing and need to be addressed, at all times. There is need for an umbrella body "from a bird's eye view perspective " for the strategy formulation and coordination of strategy implementation in order to achieve the long-term national objectives. Otherwise we will end-up with fragmented development plans, with very little impact on the sytem as whole at the national level. These can only be useful for quick fix solutions. Contributions, including mentions about professional bodies/assocaiations have been raised in this discussions, e.g. ICPAK, KMA, etc. Also there are variuos governmental authorities in this country, apart from the ICT Board, e.g. Roads Board, Coffee Board, etc. some of which are not professionally based, wheras quite a good number are. Though ICT sector is wide and diverse, and it may be a challenge to bring all the stakeholders under one umbrella body, it is worth underating the challenge and get a solution. There are other organizations which need to be included, and which could be having resources to guide the ICT to achieve sustainabale development. For example, the Institution of Engineers of Kenya (IEK), the Enginners Regitration Board (ERB), the locatal chapter of Intutution of Electrical and Electronic Engineers (in any), etc. The organizers of the proposed forum could extend invitation to such professional bodies as well. Reagrds Vitalis ________________________________ From: Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 10:14:26 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Hey Esther, Thanks alot. However, I have a feeling that such a body should be representative of those in industry (elective representation), and the Govt agencies side.. ( as effectively representative as possible). Solely charged with the mandate to drive ICT forward in this country. I think there is a general feeling that vested interests and turf wars might take an upper hand (unless reigned in) at the detriment of progress in this vital sector and to avoid numerous duplication of effort in the process. Regards,Harry ________________________________ From: Esther Muchiri [mailto:emuchiri@andestbites.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:55 PM To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: RE: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still face the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate etc Perhaps the upcoming public forum will begin to shed some light in the direction ICT development in Kenya should follow? From:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: emuchiri(a)andestbites.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Lilian, This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in. Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them.. Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy.. I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and transparency.. If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:- * National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB) Other names are welcome.. Harry ________________________________ From:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Yes, Robert.......I see. Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. “Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. ‘Governance’ in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed”. In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don’t seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not ‘mature’ into the institution envisioned. GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on: · Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK · How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc · How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large · The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed) · The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits · How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc) · The principles that underlie the ICT architecture · Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes · Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure: o Personnel – who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside o Methods and techniques – what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management) o Information – standards to enable the effective sharing of information o Core applications – intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries and personnel standards, etc o Technical – network, consolidated service desk, data standards o Security o Legal This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur ‘mwananchi’ by keenly committing to ‘add value’ to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don’t need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way ‘working with’and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently. I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings. LILIAN --- On Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building >To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja(a)yahoo.com> >Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM >Hi Lilian, > >Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers. > >How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within. > >Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem. > >What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities. > >Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names. > >Robert Yawe >KAY System Technologies Ltd >Phoenix House, 6th Floor >P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >Kenya >Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > > ________________________________ >From:Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja(a)yahoo.com> >To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >Dear PS: > >It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters. > >This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills. > >While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel. > >I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'. > >LILIAN > > > >--- On Sun, 4/4/10, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: > >>From: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >>To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja(a)yahoo.com> >>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM >>Barrack, >>Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise >>if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. >>Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these >>agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only >>when you point out where there are gaps. >> >>The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person >>did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. >>Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I >>really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the >>membership here. >> >> >>Ndemo. >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are >>> very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with >>> a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do >>> some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board >>> has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need >>> something from NCS as well plus any other agencies. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What >>>> is >>>> the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate >>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> Vitalis >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>>> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try >>>> reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything >>>> and >>>> everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your >>>> microwave oven and copier. >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: >>>> • To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to >>>> development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT >>>> industries in the country. >>>> • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for >>>> investments in ICT technology >>>> • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. >>>> • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such >>>> functions as it may consider necessary. >>>> • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. >>>> • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and >>>> services. >>>> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed >>>> it I >>>> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> >>>> This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail… >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Barrack O. 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Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked.....TOWN HALL meeting
by Mwololo Tim 07 Apr '10

07 Apr '10

Thanks Alice. Let us start with the ICT bodies one. I like your agenda, reformulated: 1. What ICT bodies do we have? What are their mandates? 2. What do we need? 3. What is lacking? 4. Way forward. Dates? tm On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:02 PM, <alice(a)apc.org> wrote: > Hi Tim, > > Thanks for always taking this up and offering to coordinate town hall > meetings. > Yes lets go for it....ICT institution, what do we have? What is lacking, > what do we need. > > KICTAnet will support the usual teas/coffees for about 25-50 or so people > > And then we must organize another to discuss the cyber security policy > that the P.S posted to the list. > So, please do go ahead, and organize for both soon at Arziki > > > > thanks and very best > > alice > > > Mwololo Tim wrote: > > Dear all, > > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs in > Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and DEG/GITS. It > also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry associations that are > not effective. I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like > the first one. However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be > preceded by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or > two persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with > these presentations being made available earlier for participants to > acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those persons. tim > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Daktari, > > > > Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the document > as > > well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting is a welcome > idea > > i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently philanthropic before the last > > town hall meeting i wonder whether they can double their offer during > > this easter season, bwn Magolo can we count on you. Walu can set the > > agenda. > > > > Regards > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau > > <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 04/04/2010, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: > > >> Barrack, > > >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will > be wise > > >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on > Malili. > > >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create > these > > >> agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good > only > > >> when you point out where there are gaps. > > >> > > >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only > one person > > >> did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya > kuchongoana tu. > > > > > > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy > > > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? > > > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed along > the way. > > > > > >> Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals > that I > > >> really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest > from the > > >> membership here. > > > > > > I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents! > > >> > > >> > > >> Ndemo. > > >> > > >> > > >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this > questions are > > >>> very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide > us with > > >>> a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can > do > > >>> some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the > board > > >>> has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need > > >>> something from NCS as well plus any other agencies. > > >>> > > >>> Regards > > >>> > > >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga > <volunga(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>>> There is also another body , National Communications > Secretarait. What > > >>>> is > > >>>> the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two > bodies relate > > >>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT > matters? > > >>>> > > >>>> Regards > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Vitalis > > >>>> > > >>>> ________________________________ > > >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > > >>>> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com > > >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM > > >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > >>>> > > >>>> Hi, > > >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try > > >>>> reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do > anything > > >>>> and > > >>>> everything under the sun that could be called ICT which > includes your > > >>>> microwave oven and copier. > > >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board > > >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the > Kenya Gazette > > >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: > > >>>> • To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining > to > > >>>> development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion > of ICT > > >>>> industries in the country. > > >>>> • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities > for > > >>>> investments in ICT technology > > >>>> • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and > technology > > >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and > land. > > >>>> • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry > out such > > >>>> functions as it may consider necessary. > > >>>> • To transform and empower society through deployment and use > of ICTs. > > >>>> • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT > products and > > >>>> services. > > >>>> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you > guessed > > >>>> it I > > >>>> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. > > >>>> Regards > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> kictanet mailing list > > >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > >>>> > > >>>> This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com > > >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > > >>>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail… > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Barrack O. 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Virtual town hall meeting
by robert yawe 07 Apr '10

07 Apr '10

Hi, I note that many issues seem to be getting referred to town halls for better discussion, why not set-up a virtual town hall to address this issues therefore we do not need to look for sponsorship. Here is a link to a system that we can trial to see how it works, for those interested please follow the link below to setup up your PC we can then pick a sample discussion issue. Go through the tutorials and make yourself familiar with the system. http://www.elluminate.com/trial/p.go?pk=vEDZEj1SEtbbNz2c I propose that we have a test session on Tuesday next week from 9:30 am to 10:30 am, send me proposals for a topic of discussion. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
by Kamotho Njenga 07 Apr '10

07 Apr '10

Esteemed Listers, Prof. Waema's proposal to convene a gathering premised on the subject of institutional frameworks is timely if not overdue. As dependence on ICT increases in Kenya it will be critical to ensure that the rate of technological dependence does not outstrip the rate at which institutional frameworks are developing. Its fundamental to plan for policy as technology evolves. Going by the contributions from various listers, one theme rings out sharply and with clarity. There is a patent call for some purposeful effort to create an all-inclusive umbrella body that would enable the ICT fraternity engage all relevant parties with ease and confidence. As noted by Evans and Waudo this subject has come up before in various designs. Unfortunately the debate that always follows assassinates the key motion before staggering to other issues. It’s even arguable that on certain occasions some contributions are basically guided missiles hidden in words. The reference to such by Dr Ndemo as “mchongoano” is extremely polite. Beyond question ICT will dictate the future patterns of most economic and social sectors. This requires a lot in terms of preparedness on the part of ICT professionals and stakeholders. To achieve the basic thresholds of progress we must work towards a more organized professional status. As things stand our ICT institutional set up is more chaotic than the ever maligned matatu industry fraternity who seem to have a better ideological sense of unity. If you ask an average Kenyan what their profession is they will easily tell you: I am a lawyer, I am an accountant, a teacher, a doctor etc. Ask the same question to an ICT person and you will be amazed at the surprising lack of understanding. There can be no pride in being part of a haphazard profession. Incidentally the challenge towards a treasured and honorable profession rests squarely on our shoulders as the affected people. Some time back, working with some likeminded Kenyans we explored the need of a sunshade professional and industry platform which saw the formation of the ICT Association of Kenya (ICTAK) - www.ictak.or.ke. The resolve towards an ICT setting that boosts the profile and gives pride to all professionals remains our key driving force. To achieve the highest standards it’s imperative that we pull together. There are many ongoing efforts within the ICT sector but they are too fragmentary to realize any substantial gains. Given the all encompassing name and perspective of ICTAK we would be glad to make it available for consideration as a professional/industry outfit that would be in the parallels of ICPAK, LSK, KMA as Emmanuel suggests. Since politics is an omnipresent phenomenon whenever matters like “uniting” come to the fore, the questions of transparency, governance and imperial tenures of officials warrant discussion. In our case we are fully at ease to let go any dockets we may be holding be it that of President or Prime minister as long as the vision for an elegant ICT profession is upheld. Kamotho Njenga On 4/5/10, Emmanuel Khisa <Emmanuel.khisa(a)kadet.co.ke> wrote: > > Daktari, > > I think you are spot on on the issues raised. Until we have a body unifying > the ICT Professionals we will never have a voice to effectively engage > other > stakeholders, say what happens when say Lawyers(LSK) demand some form of > engagement with the regards to ICT law, who will be mandated to represent > interest of ICT professionals, or say Health professionals body(KMA or > KM&DPB) seeking our input(by our I mean ICT professionals) regarding some > aspects of Health Information system, who will engage with them and how > will > these people claim to represent the industry? We may have previously > engaged > as ICT stakeholders but is this a sustainable model...I believe we cannot > continue to operate in this kind of chaotic situation. Kudos to KictaNet > though some useful intra-industry discussion that are very informative go > on > here, but more could be done. Question is how and where do we start and how > do we manage it so professionally that we avoid the pitfalls of unnecessary > politicking and be able to engage as ICPAK does for finance professionals > of > all shades (Auditors, Financial Analyst, Financial Accountants, Management > Accountants) > > My one cent. > > EK > > -----Original Message----- > From: kictanet-bounces+emmanuel.khisa=kadet.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emmanuel.khisa<kictanet-bounces%2Bemmanuel.khisa> > =kadet.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] On > Behalf Of waudo siganga > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:04 PM > To: emmanuel.khisa(a)kadet.co.ke > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the discussion > did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to Walu > on 7/7/08: > > I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a > > single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would > > probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines > > within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System > > Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can > > be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc... > > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold water > except from Kamotho. > > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how can > the same government be involved in their set up? The other axiomatic > thing about associations is that the ones that do not deliver invariably > die a natural death - and there are many examples of this in Kenya even > within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a membership association (just > like a Church or Club which are set up under the same "Societies Act"). > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing associations > cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of professional > hecklers of existing associations. > > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. This > I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. > > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily come > together and run their interests. The members have their own channels to > discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to realize that > someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have overflowing goodwill > towards (leave alone information about) the association. However, > associations face a lot of challenges and a specific get together of > associations to discuss best practices and ways of being sustainable and > more effective would be welcome. The Business Advocacy Fund is for > example doing a great and positive job in the direction of capacity > building and funding. Well done to them. Another useful type of meeting > is the type you refer to that was held at KICC a couple of years ago > where associations can inform a wider audience about their activities > and roles and, perhaps, recruit more members. Overall, an associations' > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others > can learn from them as well. > > Waudo > www.cskonline.org > > > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua(a)lpakenya.org wrote: > > Dear listers, > > Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was > > about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was > > there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant > > remember if the Government agencies were represented. > > > > Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we > > need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of > > gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with > > all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't > > it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other > > professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the > > Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily > > be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by > > the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not > > too long ago. > > > > Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance > > that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an > > industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that > > is recognized by an Act of parliament. > > > > Regards, > > Ikua > > > > Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo(a)gmail.com>: > > > > > Dear all, > > > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs in > Kenya, > > > not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and DEG/GITS. It also > needs > > > to include the plethora of ICT industry associations that are not > effective. > > > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. > > > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded by > some > > > guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two persons can > > > prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with these presentations > > > being made available earlier for participants to acquint with them. I > am > > > also prepared to be one of those persons. tim > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno > > > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > >> Daktari, > > >> > > >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the document as > > >> well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting is a welcome idea > > >> i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently philanthropic before the last > > >> town hall meeting i wonder whether they can double their offer during > > >> this easter season, bwn Magolo can we count on you. Walu can set the > > >> agenda. > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> > > >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau > > >> <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: > > >> >> Barrack, > > >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will > be > > >> wise > > >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on > > >> Malili. > > >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create > these > > >> >> agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good > only > > >> >> when you point out where there are gaps. > > >> >> > > >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one > > >> person > > >> >> did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya > kuchongoana > > >> tu. > > >> > > > >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy > > >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? > > >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed along > the > > >> way. > > >> > > > >> >> Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals > that I > > >> >> really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest > from > > >> the > > >> >> membership here. > > >> > > > >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents! > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Ndemo. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions > are > > >> >>> very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us > with > > >> >>> a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can > do > > >> >>> some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the > board > > >> >>> has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need > > >> >>> something from NCS as well plus any other agencies. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Regards > > >> >>> > > >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga < > volunga(a)yahoo.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. > What > > >> >>>> is > > >> >>>> the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies > > >> relate > > >> >>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT > matters? > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> Regards > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> Vitalis > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> ________________________________ > > >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > > >> >>>> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com > > >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM > > >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> Hi, > > >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try > > >> >>>> reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do > anything > > >> >>>> and > > >> >>>> everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes > your > > >> >>>> microwave oven and copier. > > >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board > > >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya > > >> Gazette > > >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: > > >> >>>> ? To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to > > >> >>>> development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion > of > ICT > > >> >>>> industries in the country. > > >> >>>> ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for > > >> >>>> investments in ICT technology > > >> >>>> ? Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and > > >> technology > > >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and > land. > > >> >>>> ? Partner with agents within and without the country to carry > out > > >> such > > >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary. > > >> >>>> ? To transform and empower society through deployment and use of > > >> ICTs. > > >> >>>> ? 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Re: [kictanet] Telkom Orange - a service nightmare
by S.Murigi Muraya 06 Apr '10

06 Apr '10

Lets keep in mind every company has its primary DNA. Telkom Orange focused on voice & data (connectivity & throughput) services not web (hosting) services. In fact it is alarming to think of telecom (network) infrastructure companies being expected to design, build, develop a major Government portal. This would better be left to companies focused on (web) software development. The infrastructure companies that may do better on the hosting (not web or software development) side of things are likely to be more data center (computing) than network connectivity (service provider) focused. SMM -----Original Message----- From: Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 18:46 To: murigi.muraya(a)gmail.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Telkom Orange - a service nightmare Hey Robert, I commisserate on this. It is frustrations we all undergo with service providers. However - hopefully not at the risk of sticking my neck out, I do feel we can keep the language civil while we go about the business of raising pertinent issues on the forum. Lest we run the risk of the list being "blacklisted" as one bent on "Character assasination" - with nothing meaniful coming out of it.. Anyone, from Orange on the listing - Please take this up, asap and deal with Robert directly... Regards, Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:52 PM To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Telkom Orange - a service nightmare Hi, It is scary our Telkom's service has gone from bad to horrible, so I ask is Orange a savour or just a corporate raider? For over 3 weeks a client of ours who has been hosting their domain with Jambo was unable to send mail he reported the issue to the support department and their was no response. Finally on Thursday they moved the domain hosting to another provider. This morning another client has become the process of moving his domain away from Jambo, what shocks me is that I have also written mail to the support and marketing people on both issues with no response. Even at the height of Telkom's inefficiencies I never experienced such a negative attention to my issues. This is a clear indication that the organisation truly required the 17,000 staff members it had, now they have been reduced to 3,500

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[Fwd: ICANN Fellowship Webinar: 28 April]
by Michuki Mwangi 06 Apr '10

06 Apr '10

Apologies if you may have received this from other lists. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: ICANN Fellowship Webinar: 28 April Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:25:58 -0700 From: Janice Douma Lange <janice.lange(a)icann.org> On *28 April 2010*, ICANN staff will describe the *Fellowship Program* in an *interactive webinar*, to be held at *18:00-19:00 GMT/UTC.* *We would like to engage you in outreach on ICANN’s behalf, to distribute the announcement of the Webinar on the Fellowship Program to your constituency, your community and individuals. Please encourage **those who may not be aware of the program, have shown interest but are still not sure about the program’s intent or benefits, **or need a refresher course to register on the eLearning page of the ICANN website and call into this webinar later this month. With outreach and engagement, we will bring new participants into the ICANN community, and with new participants, eventually new ideas and leadership to continue carrying the mission and vision of a truly global internet into the future.* *Fellowship Program Overview — *Register <http://icann.na3.acrobat.com/e71529160/event/registration.html> *Thank you as always for your support**J**and feel free to listen in yourselves!* * * *Janice*

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Software Quality Assurance and Testing Bootcamp
by Andrea Bohnstedt 06 Apr '10

06 Apr '10

In the context of capacity building in the ICT sector, maybe interesting: Software Quality Assurance and Testing Bootcamp in Nairobi, 12 - 16 April 2010, taught by Roland Omoresemi: http://www.ratio-magazine.com/201004062647/Business-Diary/KENYA-SOFTWARE-QU… Have a good week, Andrea Bohnstedt

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On ICT Board
by Matunda Nyanchama 06 Apr '10

06 Apr '10

I am wondering whether Kenya has the equivalent of RITA (Rwanda) or SITA (South Africa). My short interaction with SITA clearly shows they are filling a major need in ICT operations, capacity building, standardization, etc. across governments. Among key gains are in such areas as procurement, service delivery, information protection, technology platform standardization (e.g. end user devices), application development methodology. It also provides economies of scale for entry: municipalities, provincial governments, etc don't have to duplicate (especially in facilities, networks, data centres, etc.) what already exists. Although it is a government agency, it is ran as a profitable company and has creative ways of making money, e.g. extending services to the private sector. Any plans/hope of building a Kenyan KITA? Or transforming ICT Board to such active operational role? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.”- George Bernard Shaw ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.

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Family Technology Survey?
by Gakiria 04 Apr '10

04 Apr '10

Dear All, Below a request for your attention Andrew ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Steven D'Agustino <dagustino(a)fordham.edu> Date: 30 March 2010 20:10 Subject: Family Technology Survey? To: ITFORUM(a)listserv.uga.edu Hello All! I am collaborating with a non-profit that gives computers to families for free and am looking for a family technology survey. Does anyone know of a good one? Thanks, Steve Steven D'Agustino, Ph.D. Director RETC - Center for Professional Development Fordham University 557 East Fordham Road Bronx, NY 10458 718-817-3498 ------------------------------------------------------------ For information about this list, including archives and how to unsubscribe, please go to the ITFORUM web site: http://it.coe.uga.edu/itforum/

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Re: [kictanet] Presentations from Connected Government...+ BPO eDiscussion Report
by Walubengo J 03 Apr '10

03 Apr '10

Kobia, I noted you mentioned BPO as one of the upcoming discussions at the Summit. I therefore take this opportunity to upload the summaries of the BPO discussions held mid last year. More specifically, there was heavy and pending Government interventions as copied below in the Executive summary. Maybe if the Permanent Secretaries can commit to implementing on some them during your meeting, then those of us not invited will begin to feel it wasnt after all purely pleasure at Leisure Lodge ;-) walu. ----begins--- Executive Summary A team of Researchers (BPO Researchers) were commissioned by IDRC to do a study titled: Development of a Business Process Outsourcing Industry in Kenya: Critical Success Factors. The aim of this study was “to undertake comprehensive research in the business process outsourcing (BPO) sub-sector in pioneer, emerging and mature markets to provide evidence and a deeper understanding of the imperatives for success in this industry to better inform Kenya’s policy decisions and investment choices”. The studies were conducted in two client countries, namely United Kingdom and the United States of America and four vendor countries, namely Kenya, South Africa, India and Mauritius. After the above study was completed, the Researchers had preliminary Results/Reports (Synthesis) that they felt needed to be discussed by Stakeholders with the aim of cross-checking and validating some of the preliminary conclusions. KICTAnet, a multi-stakeholder forum was chosen as the platform to subject the preliminary findings of the study to the Stakeholders. The Stakeholders discussed the Research Synthesised findings under various BPO themes that included: Policy, Legal and Institutional (Governance) Frameworks, Subsidies, Human capacity Issues, Youth & Gender issues and Strengths & Challenges facing the BPO sector. Notable feedback on the BPO Governance Frameworks was the lack of enabling legislation specifically the Data Protection and the Freedom of Information Acts. Lack of enforceable Standards for BPO Training and Operations in the industry was also cited as a barrier to provisioning high quality standards of service. Negative publicity, general insecurity and unreliable Utilities (power, road, telecommunication) presented institutional challenges that made it difficult to sell Kenya as a favourable BPO destination. With regard to Human Capacity, the lack of a standardized BPO curriculum, lack of a National Skill-set Register and little or no experience for the BPO Operators made Kenya's BPO labour market less competitive. Domestic "outsourcing" both from Government and Private Sector was proposed as the best way to demonstrate confidence while providing experience to the emerging BPO industry. The question of Subsidies for the sector was highly contentious with some participants pushing for an array of benefits - Tax-holidays, Utility and Training Subsidies, Government Contracts, amongst others. Those against subsidies argued that BPO is a sub-sector just like any other and therefore should not enjoy Government-subsidies at the exclusion of the others. The Youth and Gender discussion revealed that lack of clear, career-path progression meant that most youth in the BPO sector considered their jobs as a stop-gap measure to a better opportunity elsewhere. It was also observed the that Kenyan Labour law that afforded mothers 3months maternity leave meant that employers implicitly preferred male employees. Finally, participants discussed the Strengths and Challenges, noting the advent of the undersea cable as the biggest strength while Negative Publicity as the biggest weakness. ---ends--- walu. --- On Wed, 3/31/10, Kaburo Kobia <kkobia(a)ict.go.ke> wrote: From: Kaburo Kobia <kkobia(a)ict.go.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Presentations from Connected Government Summit 2010 To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 12:14 PM Dear all, Presentations from Connected Gov Summit 2010 are now available online. We are also taking questions from twitter and the Connected Gov website (click on Comments/Question and post your question or comment). Presentations include: - Opening speech by the Minister of Information and Communications Hon Samuel Poghisio - From reform to transformation by Emmanuel Lubembe Head Public Service Transformation Department - Transforming Company registry by Wanjuki Muchemi, Solicitor General - and several presentations from private sector. Today we expect to hear from more government departments on their digitization projects, some local SMEs and BPO companies. Please view the program here. Visit: www.ict.go.ke/connectedgov Track on twitter: #connectedgov Regards, -- Kaburo Kobia Kenya ICT Board Project Manager: Local Digital Content Kenya ICT Board Telposta Towers, 12th Floor, Kenyatta Avenue P.O Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya t: + 254-020-2093040 | m: + 254 (0)729466260 | w: www.ict.go.ke --------------------- The Kenya ICT Board Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jwalu(a)yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com

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Easter Mpesa con/hoax
by Benson Mbugua 03 Apr '10

03 Apr '10

Hey Listers, Please beware of a "sam kamau" calling from safaricom Mpesa department number 0724 142313 saying that there is an easter promotion and you have won Kshs 50, 000 if you tell him your Mpesa balance and send him money to 000 I just received the call Have a safe and Happy Easter. Ben

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Kenya's Safaricom says to test 4G later in 2010
by Jevans Nyabiage 02 Apr '10

02 Apr '10

Has Safaricom fully achieved the benefits of 3G to start testing 4G? http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Kenyas%20Safaricom%20says%20to%20test… Jevans DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Nation Media Group. �To get all breaking news alerts send the word BREAK to 6667 or visit http://mobile.nation.co.ke to read news on your mobile phone.�

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: Kenya's Safaricom says to test 4G later in 2010
by Walubengo J 01 Apr '10

01 Apr '10

@Ombati, I hear you...and I regret if I did sound pro-Telco or pro-Regulator because I speak for neither. Secondly, plse take my comments as "Part-of" rather than the "End-of" discussion. MJ, CCK, ICT Board and others are indeed most welcome to speak for themselves...even after I have made my position know. Meanwhile, you will fear not 4G, after you visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G walu. --- On Thu, 4/1/10, Kepta Ombati <kombati(a)akibauhaki.org> wrote: From: Kepta Ombati <kombati(a)akibauhaki.org> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] Kenya's Safaricom says to test 4G later in 2010 To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> Cc: "Solomon Mburu Kamau" <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com>, ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 1:20 PM Walu: While we agree that unnecessary barriers shouldn't be erected on new services and products that could benefit consumers, we must firmly disagree with you that only CCK and other such govt agencies should comment on new products coming into the market. We also disagree that consumers should be a dumping ground. As things stand, many of us feel very exposed due to failures of mandated govt agencies to protect us from poor/substandard products that get dumped on us every day. We also spend a lot of money in expensive experimental products. In any case, don't you think that MJ can speak for himself... or that Safcom - and other telcos - has/have enough Customer service people and techies who can speak for the co/cos.? MJ is in fact doing very well from his recent mails to this forum. ICT Board's Kukubo and PS BN have done pretty well in engaging in this forum in the past. What exactly is wrong with empowering the consumer with info.? Don't you know that not everyone has the privilege of your industry info. and therefore not everyone is cushioned against opportunism and market distortion. Info asymmetry is a major distorting factor. We need preventive not curative approaches as much as practicable. Put differently, the Kenyan consumer should be protected in all ways possible from being perpetual guinea pig. Your voting with the feet sound good from far but is indeed far from good! I therefore urge that we permit those who can provide useful information to help us make informed decisions to do so without self appointed police or pro-telcos agencies constraining them. And though it might not cure the ills of market imperfection, apriori info on possible risks certainly mitigates our individual and collective exposure. So Solomon, Alex and all those who have steadfastly played the role of public watchdog, hongera! Keep it up. And barbs to anyone trying to stifle consumer education and protection!! And more barbs to the public agencies that are sleeping on the job or in bed with the telcos at the expense of the consumers! -- Kepta Ombati Akiba Uhaki Foundation - The Human Rights & Social Justice Fund K-Rep Center, Wood Avenue, Kilimani Box 27611-00100, Nairobi, Kenya Tel: (254) 20 2441204/2441196 Fax: (254) 20 3861576 Mobile; (254) 0 722 659 364/738 550 550 Email:kombati@akibauhaki.org Website: www.akibauhaki.org …………………………………….......... “For a Just and Egalitarian East Africa where all persons enjoy their Rights and live in Dignity” On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 01:20 -0700, Walubengo J wrote: I dont think Safcom or any other Telco needs permission from Users(customers) to test new technologies (unless ofcourse these are medically harmful - of which the regulator would have cleared beforehand). Futhermore, I dont think CCK licenses peg the introduction of new technologies(4G) on the success or otherwise of the older technologies (2go r3g)... So lets not mix the two issues. If consumers have issues with the old technologies, they should raise those issues (like Aki did) INDEPENDENT of subsequent technologies... Plse dont introduce barriers to new developments(@Jevans), after all if eventually 4g s*cks, the customers will simply vote with their feet... walu. --- On Thu, 4/1/10, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: From: Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's Safaricom says to test 4G later in 2010 To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com Cc: ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 11:21 AM On 01/04/2010, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Very welcome...LTE or call it 4G will be very good for the last mile, we > need it here! We are speaking about insanely fast speeds … potential as high > as 150Mbps download and upload speeds as high as 50Mbps … about 100x more > bandwidth (much faster) than most 3G networks. Safaricom should go ahead and > test! > IMHO, while this is a great idea it should not just be pegged on the speeds but also on the consumer benefit. Just to ask, how many consumers outside Nairobi really understand the essence behind 3G? Can Safaricom, say, for instance, the viability of 3G, at the moment from the consumers end? What about areas which are not fully covered by 3G? Sometimes, the consumer ends up getting confused with this 'new' products leaving him with no choice but to subscribe without public education, which is an essential tool for helping the end user make informed choices at the end of the day. > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Michael Joseph > <MJoseph(a)safaricom.co.ke>wrote: > >> At extreme risk of responding via this list, I ask why should we not be >> testing new technology which might benefit both the Kenyan public and the >> industry? It did not say we are launching it commercially but merely >> hoping >> to do a technical trial. >> >> >> >> Certainly 3G is more than producing the results – that is why all of a >> sudden the other operators want to climb on board when 2 years ago they >> said >> it was not commercially viable. >> >> >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> *CEO* >> >> *Safaricom Limited* >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* >> kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: >> kictanet-bounces+mjoseph <kictanet-bounces%2Bmjoseph>=safaricom.co.ke@ >> lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Jevans Nyabiage >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 31, 2010 4:20 PM >> *To:* Michael Joseph >> *Cc:* ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* [kictanet] Kenya's Safaricom says to test 4G later in 2010 >> >> >> >> Has Safaricom fully achieved the benefits of 3G to start testing 4G? >> >> >> >> >> http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Kenyas%20Safaricom%20says%20to%20test… >> >> >> >> Jevans >> >> DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is >> intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain >> confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No >> confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If >> you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all >> copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify >> the >> sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, >> print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended >> recipient. >> >> Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author and >> do not necessarily represent those of the *Nation Media >> Group*<http://www.nation.co.ke> >> *.* >> >> To get all breaking news alerts send the word BREAK to 6667 or visit >> http://mobile.nation.co.ke to read news on your mobile phone. >> *Note:* >> All emails sent from Safaricom Limited are subject to Safaricom’s Email >> Terms & Conditions. Please click >> here<http://www.safaricom.co.ke/Emailtermsandconditions>to read the >> policy. >> ------------------------------ >> * * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: dmuthoni(a)gmail.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmuthoni%40gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Muthoni > > My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ > -------------------------------------------- > Mahatma Gandhi once said:- > > First they ignore you, > Then they laugh at you, > Then they fight you, > AND THEN YOU WIN!!! > -- Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill! AND It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity! http://dawn-in-kenya.blogspot.com http://smiley2.wordpress.com http://mburu.sikika.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jwalu(a)yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers

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