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IGF Lithuania Site
by waudo siganga 09 Apr '10

09 Apr '10

Dear Colleagues - just to inform those of us planning to be in Vilnius, the local hosts have opened the event site [1]http://www.igf2010.lt/. For particular attention is the list of recommended hotels which are likely to fill quickly and need earliest booking. Related to this the main IGF site [2]www.intgovforum.org now has a form for uploading workshop proposals. Markus Kummer requests those of us on the MAG to share the following msg "Workshop organizers who have registered on the IGF Web site previously can log in with their user name and password. Should they have forgotten their log-in details they can ask for assistance at igf(a)unog.ch. New users are asked to register by sending an email to igf(a)unog.ch. We are grateful if you help explaining this procedure among your colleagues and friends." Waudo References 1. http://www.igf2010.lt/ 2. http://www.intgovforum.org/

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Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER-1st Pope?
by charles nduati 09 Apr '10

09 Apr '10

hi Walu, I ment that constatine was the first pope of the merged factions of which he made christianity compulsory more like the KANU of the 90s i.e. BABA NA MAMA. st. peter was more like george okado the founding chairman of computer society Thanks shah for keeping the KIF spirit alive. charles On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:19 EEST Walubengo J wrote: >Charles, > >At the risk of starting a religious debate, ...jst wanted to clarify. 1st Pope was never Constantine but St. Peter...in the 1st Century. Constantine came on the scene 300years later.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I ... > >walu. > >--- On Thu, 4/8/10, charles nduati <charlesnduati2002(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >From: charles nduati <charlesnduati2002(a)yahoo.co.uk> >Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER >To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com >Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 7:49 AM > >Hi listers, > >I have truly enjoyed this debate especially having been the first founding executive director of KENYA ICT FEDERATION (KIF) With other industry captains like mike eldon our founder chairman and all chairmen of the then 12 existing ICT associations i.e. 2003. our vision was exactly what this debate is about and we anchored KIF under KEPSA. as Dr. siganga said, there is no need of recreating the wheel. just contact Dr. kevit desai the KIF governor at KEPSA and ask him to adopt all ICT associations and stakeholders in KEPSA through KIF. > >believe me folks, if the ROMAN KING CONSTANTINE hadn t merged all christian sects and made himself the first POPE, christianity would not have survived 2000 years and be so successful in its mission > >good day all > >charles nduati > >On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:34 EEST Harry Delano wrote: > >>Al Kags, >> >>That is why this town hall meeting may be important. Actually Harry (Hare), >>came up with a more brilliant >>idea that would require us to make this to be more of an evaluation process >>- that would create a "need" for >>either overhaul or improvement in structures and processes. This could be >>enacted by Govt, either through >>legislation, or an executive decision. >> >>Mr. Kukubo, also had a good suggestion that we cast the net wider, to draw >>in as many stakeholers as >>we can. This, I suppose would be be a perfect chance for us, to tick each of >>these agencies off the list, >>enumerating their roles, mandate, and how this all should fit in the bigger >>picture across the national ICT >>Landscape. I suppose, we need to hold to account those tasked with a >>mandate.. >> >>So I suppose, the question we should be asking ourselves, is where do we >>first start - The town hall meeting..? >>And how do we cast this net wider for participation..? >> >>Harry >> >> _____ >> >>From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >>Behalf Of Al Kags >>Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:45 PM >>To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> >>Gilda, you are right that all organisations need to meet their obligations >>effectively. I wonder though whether some of them are not duplicated? >>especially some that we have seen listed on this thread? >> >> >>On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, <godera(a)skyweb.co.ke> wrote: >> >> >> >>Hi Harry, >> >>I believe the various organisations are all playing their own unique roles. >>Key thing is for each to meet it's obligations effectively. >>Tim Waema's proposal on the discussion of various organisations and their >>mandate is no doubt a good idea to get things cleared and for industry to >>continue giving their input so that the organisations are well designed. >> >>Best, >> >>Gilda >> >> >>Quoting Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke>: >> >>> >>> S. Murigi, >>> >>> Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter note... >>> >>> So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a whole >>myriad >>> of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st time.. >>> >>> Harry >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> >>=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >>> Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:25 PM >>> To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >>> >>> About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My >>purpose >>> then was to find out what they were about. >>> >>> Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less >>than >>> 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website. >>> >>> Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too >>disappointed. >>> For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies >>can >>> be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the >>> professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say >>this >>> is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally. >>> >>> We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies >>who >>> jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are >>> unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech >>community >>> support eg. www.ihub.co.ke >>> >>> Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the best >>> (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as >>much >>> as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft, >>> Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via >>> these industry events. >>> >>> If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build >>> capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software >>> entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation' >>> they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know. >>> >>> Nimechoka - typing on a mobile. >>> >>> SMM >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> >>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52 >>> To: murigi.muraya(a)gmail.com >>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >>> >>> Dr. Siganga, >>> >>> Your write up makes sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, >>in >>> other words we handle government agencies and industry associations >>> separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest >>government >>> agencies first. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to >>> > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the >>> > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with >>> > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but >>> > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other >>> > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to >>> > Walu on 7/7/08: >>> >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a >>> >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would >>> >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines >>> >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System >>> >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can >>> >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc... >>> > >>> > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body >>> > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even >>> > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold >>> > water except from Kamotho. >>> > >>> > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see >>> > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". >>> > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by >>> > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear >>> > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of >>> > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how >>> > can the same government be involved in their set up? The other >>> > axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not >>> > deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples >>> > of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a >>> > membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up >>under >>> the same "Societies Act"). >>> > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the >>> > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who >>> > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing >>> > associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of >>> > professional hecklers of existing associations. >>> > >>> > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations >>> > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. >>> > This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime >>> > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. >>> > >>> > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and >>> > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would >>> > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be >>> > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" >>> > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership >>> > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily >>> > come together and run their interests. The members have their own >>> > channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to >>> > realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have >>> > overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the >>> > association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a >>> > specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and >>> > ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The >>> > Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job >>> > in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them. >>> > Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held >>> > at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider >>> > audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more >>> members. Overall, an associations' >>> > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for >>> > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's >>> > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that >>> > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others >>> > can learn from them as well. >>> > >>> > Waudo >>> > www.cskonline.org >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua(a)lpakenya.org wrote: >>> >> Dear listers, >>> >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was >>> >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was >>> >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant >>> >> remember if the Government agencies were represented. >>> >> >>> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we >>> >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of >>> >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with >>> >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't >>> >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other >>> >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the >>> >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily >>> >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by >>> >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not >>> >> too long ago. >>> >> >>> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance >>> >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an >>> >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that >>> >> is recognized by an Act of parliament. >>> >> >>> >> Regards, >>> >> Ikua >>> >> >>> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo(a)gmail.com>: >>> >> >>> >> > Dear all, >>> >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs >>> >> > in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and >>> >> > DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry >>> associations that are not effective. >>> >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. >>> >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded >>> >> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two >>> >> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with >>> >> > these presentations being made available earlier for participants >>> >> > to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those >>> >> > persons. tim >>> >> > >>> >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno >>> >> > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> Daktari, >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the >>> >> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting >>> >> >> is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently >>> >> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether >>> >> >> they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo >>> >> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Regards >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau >>> >> >> <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: >>> >> >> >> Barrack, >>> >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it >>> >> >> >> will be >>> >> >> wise >>> >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had >>> >> >> >> on >>> >> >> Malili. >>> >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create >>> >> >> >> these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms >>> >> >> >> are good only when you point out where there are gaps. >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only >>> >> >> >> one >>> >> >> person >>> >> >> >> did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya >>> >> >> >> kuchongoana >>> >> >> tu. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy >>> >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? >>> >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed >>> >> >> > along the >>> >> >> way. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy >>> >> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then arouse >>> >> >> >> sufficient interest from >>> >> >> the >>> >> >> >> membership here. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the >>contents! >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Ndemo. >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this >>> >> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can >>> >> >> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in >>> >> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i >>> >> >> >>> saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early >>> >> >> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something from >>NCS >>> as well plus any other agencies. >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> Regards >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga >>> >> >> >>> <volunga(a)yahoo.com> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications >>> >> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord >>> >> >> >>>> and how do the two bodies >>> >> >> relate >>> >> >> >>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT >>> matters? >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> Regards >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> Vitalis >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> ________________________________ >>> >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>> >> >> >>>> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com >>> >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>> >> >> >>>> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM >>> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> Hi, >>> >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, >>> >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to >>> >> >> >>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be called >>> >> >> >>>> ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. >>> >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board >>> >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the >>> >> >> >>>> Kenya >>> >> >> Gazette >>> >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: >>> >> >> >>>> ? To advice the government on all relevant matters >>> >> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM >>> >> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. >>> >> >> >>>> ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities >>> >> >> >>>> for investments in ICT technology ? Facilitate and manage >>> >> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and >>> >> >> technology >>> >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and >>> land. >>> >> >> >>>> ? Partner with agents within and without the country to >>> >> >> >>>> carry out >>> >> >> such >>> >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary. >>> >> >> >>>> ? To transform and empower society through deployment and >>> >> >> >>>> use of >>> >> >> ICTs. >>> >> >> >>>> ? 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ICT Board Interim Updates
by Paul Kukubo 08 Apr '10

08 Apr '10

Listers 1. Please view our website to review an update of the tenders awarded in the last quarter ending March 2010. 2. Also please note that 2nd Tandaa Local Content Symposium will take place on May 6th 2010, venue and details to be communicated later. Of particular note here will be demonstration of the locally assembled Digital Broadcast Converter as well as discussions with local developers and content producers on how to develop local content for digital broadcast platform. This is a follow up to a visit by PS Dr Ndemo to the University of Nairobi's Fab Lab 3 weeks ago in which the ICT Board was tasked to create a forum for awareness on the Digital Decoder. More details from my team later via this lists and our website www.ict.go.ke regards Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment

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Pre-Conference Trainings @IDLELO4
by Judy Okite 08 Apr '10

08 Apr '10

Dear All, As we gear up to the biggest ICT event in Africa that brings together Open Source developers, practitioners, enthusiasts etc....going to take place next month(May) in Accra Ghana, kindly take note of the Pre-Conference trainings.....most of them can only admit a number of persons,please, send your applications,in good time to avoid disappointments. http://idlelo.net/content/pre-conference-training-programme Kind Regards, -- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan

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Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
by robert yawe 08 Apr '10

08 Apr '10

Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: • To advice the government onall relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: Is Kenya Ready for Innovation?-Genesis of ICT Board
by Walubengo J 08 Apr '10

08 Apr '10

Yawe, it appears your hijacked question has meta-morphosized(?), gone round the world and came back with some answers below... walu. --- On Wed, 4/7/10, Kulubi James <jkulubi(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Kulubi James <jkulubi(a)yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: Is Kenya Ready for Innovation? To: "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru(a)gmail.com> Cc: "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 7:37 PM Alex has raised issues which are deep and far reaching but either way can still be answered by those who participated in shaping the ICT policy in the period 2003-2006. The decision to create the ICT Board was made after various studies and consultation over a 3 year period. Towards the end of the 5-year exclusive period granted to Telkom Kenya (TKL) over International Gateway services, VSATs and National Long-distance services (1999-2004), the then Minister of Information and Communication, was so much concerned about the impending privatization of Telkom Kenya that he paused the following question to his advisors: “Tell me.. If the Government goes ahead to privatize Telkom Kenya by selling majority shares but later wants to ‘do something in the sector’, what vehicle would the Government use?” He was immediately informed that the Government will still maintain some shares in TKL and therefore will still have a voice. But he pressed further, “What if the new majority shareholder in TKL vetoes the decision?” Everybody fell silent and he then added , “Think about it.” In 2006, it became apparent that there were operational matters in the ICT sector that could not be handled by the existing institutions. The investment and trade promotion authorities were not well positioned and equipped to handle new investment/promotion matters in the ICT sector. Similarly, the communication regulator (CCK) was going to run into credibility problems if it started participating directly in the promotion of ICT services or the initiation of pilot ICT projects. The other body was the National Communications Secretariat which had its role clearly specified in Section 84 of the Communications Act as : “to advise the Government on the adoption of a communication policy.” It could therefore not extend its operations to other ICT matters without substantial amendments to the law. Eventually, consensus was build around setting up an ICT Authority. But even this paused some problems. An authority had to have its own Board separate from management. This was going to require the appointment of a group of eminent persons from the ICT sector to the Board of the Authority who in turn would have to appoint another group of persons (mostly from the same sector) to run the affairs of the Authority in line with contemporary corporate governance principles. Eventually, the Government settled on the ICT Board with a CEO who was to be the Chairman of the Board. Following this decision, the Board was created under section 3 of the State Corporation Act as a corporate body with perpetual succession and common seal, and capable of suing and being sued. This I believe is long enough for all of us to digest. Anybody who remembers more can contribute or amend before the mandate can be scrutinized as Alex has attempted to do. Regards James Kulubi ===================== The views expressed here are personal and not in any way those of the Multimedia University College of Kenya where the Author Works as the Principal. From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> To: Kulubi James <jkulubi(a)yahoo.co.uk> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Wed, 7 April, 2010 10:59:30 Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: Is Kenya Ready for Innovation? I hope this contribution is not cheapened to protecting individuals or name calling. My intention is solely to address the "approach" most holistically but I am alive to the fact that some will invariably view this as a "personal attack" hence may react unexpectedly. Anyhow, everyone has a right to their opinion. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Kulubi James <jkulubi(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I have read with interest recent discussions about the ICT Board and also > about innovation in our beautiful country. I am compelled to contribute. The genesis of the ICT Board problem stems from contradiction between what the ICT Board believes is their mandate, repeated governance questions hanging around their ad hoc and tax payer costly series of activities. They diverted their mandate to “four-fold 1) Marketing: Positioning and promoting Kenya as an ICT destination (locally and internationally), especially promoting Business process Outsourcing (BPO) and Offshoring. 2) Advisory: Advise the government on all relevant matters pertaining to the development and promotion of ICT industries in the country 3) Capacity Building:Providing government and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development. 4) Project Management: Coordinating, directing and implementing anchor ICT projects in development.” http://www.ict.go.ke/index.php/theboard/our-mandate-a-objectives - - Whereas the Kenya Gazette Supplement No. 11 Legal Notice No.26 of 2 march,2007 that established them states their mandate as: - - Functions of the Board: “4. The functions of the Board shall be to - [emphasis mine] (a) advise the Government on all relevant matters pertaining to the development, co-ordination and promotion of information and communication technology industries in the country; (b) promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investment in information and communications technology; (c) facilitate and manage information and communication technology, industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land; (d) appoint agents within and without the country to carry out such functions, as it may consider necessary, in accordance with this Order; (e) carry out any other activities as, in the Board's opinion, will promote and facilitate the development of information and communications technology products and services.” - - Therefore, the ICT Board's continued journey on their ultra vires path will go very far, but in the wrong direction. Question the value proposition in abandoning income generating activities to attend the next hurriedly convened meetings “to discuss” what such so clearly stated on the law? (Civil Society describes such gatherings as “ventilating forums” or “whining forums” where the aggrieved public poured their frustrations hearts out, yet nothing much changed thereafter at high-office government circles... simply “officials criticism management” events of sort often used by government fat muscle machinery to crush legitimate criticisms by individual members of the public. Another forum was held at the KICC 2 years ago which discussed the very Kenya ICT Board. Soon after, they went back to “business as usual” where nothing much changed.) > We will soon have a new constitution and the public will expect changes not > only in government systems but also in the way they live and work. This > therefore brings to bear a new question. The public has long cried for changes in the matter state officials (their employees) have been poorly serving them. For example, the secrecy around deals entered into by officials with private companies, opaque and costly ICT activities and “projects” etc. The Rights sector has since 2000 tirelessly urged the governmnet to implement the Freedom of Information to shed light on thus far governance in darkness which has only served as breeding grounds for extended, entrenched and institutionalised corruption. The new constitution dilutes the current top-down power structure and empowers mwananchi. > Is the country ready for radical innovation? Yes! And it has always been... But the power holders detest 'disruptive' innovation. They are the ones that in fact have been opposed radical innovation because that dilutes their grip on power, resources, and public control. They fear innovation because it it has the potential of creating new centres of power - A wild allegation that must be supported by facts? Consider the history of how the Internet entered Kenya. Moi era was so frightened of it that an official communication banned it from all government offices. And only a handful of the “politically correct” in the private sector were gradually permitted to operate it. Their loss of public thinking capture through state controlled KBC as the only means of receiving information and communication was simply unbearable. Dr. Mary Muiruri wrote the chapter on Kenya on the book “Negotiating the Net” http://www.cidcm.umd.edu/ntn/ In other words, power brokers oppose innovation unless and until they can manipulate it – directly(through policies, laws, and regulations) or indirectly,for example, where they co-own the ventures (e.g. mobitelea) thus can influence decision and/or their “right” ones are put in charge of the innovations- never mind their (or lack thereof) technical qualifications to manage innovation. >>Fast forward>> Could today's high communication prices be deliberately engineered by the establishment so as to frustrate bottom-up innovation- as back door to retain power at the top? How much does the powerful ruling elite own in the telecommunications industry? Did they game the system to privately benefit from public exploitation by “private sector” companies when in essence they are one an the same? Why public funds invested in TEAMS cable today has never benefited the public? Did the government that was the initiative leader deliberately water down its shareholding on the cable? Was it a deliberate shareholding weakening to later conveniently excuse self and blame “private sector” and perpetually expect and “hope [failed] competition will bring prices down.” As proof of sincerity, all public official need to first exercise Freedom of Information principles in their projects, activities, so-called “public-private-partnership” and deals entered into therein,, etc then the public can discern genuine public-good initiatives from private and personal steal-quick initiatives that have absolutely no relation to promoting innovation or of any national interests (mistaken by some as “Nationals Interests”) Engagement on this innovation, and other, governance matters should be three-fold a) the politics b) motive of the actors and c) the details. Unless the politics and and motives are clearly understood, then it may be time wasteful to over-engage on details - because the a) and b) forces easily wreck whatever “details” one may have invested so much in (time, expertise, money, reputation etc) Meanwhile, as indicators to the some of the frustrations facing local innovators, have a look at "The excruciating pain of being a Kenyan Coder" by Idd Salim http://www.iddsalim.com/blog/2009/11/09/the-excruciating-pain-of-being-a-ke… and http://www.iddsalim.com/blog/2009/11/13/the-excruciating-pain-of-being-a-ke… Some of us have been screaming ourselves hoarse... but nothing gets done. Could we be back to the pre-June 2005 ICT Policy position "Kenya lacks high level ICT leadership?" regards, Alex > The millennium challenges require the Third World to change focus and > address simple and well-stated goals. However, the paradigm called “third > world decease” which was introduced to me over 20 years ago by one Prof. > Leo Van Biesen (you may Google him) still hangs on our necks. To highlight > this decease, he paused the question: “What does it matter if one knows > something but nobody is using that knowledge? What does it matter? In any > case chances are that with the rapid advances in knowledge, somebody is > going to gain the same knowledge anyway or even put in a better way – > somebody somewhere may already have the same knowledge.” > > In this breadth, Third World has many well trained experts in all spheres of > knowledge with outstanding decorations but they are completely unable to > translate what they know into some kind of innovative service or product > that can significantly improve the lives of the ordinary person. Year in > year out we complain about bad leadership, limited foreign investment, > limited access to information , etc. > > > > In this regard, Dr. Mohan (IBM Fellow and Former IBM India Chief Scientist > recently gave a speech at the University of California at Santa Cruz > entitled “Can India be an innovation superpower?” A summary of his speech > can be found at http://bit.ly/dxuurP. According to him, the innovation > eco-system includes: > > Government: Infrastructure, Incubation/Research Funding, > Intellectual Property protection, R&D Labs > Universities: Faculty including adjunct, Students, Teaching Vs > Research, Consulting, Incubation, > Public/Private firms: R&D labs, Visionary leaders, University linkages > Funding Entities: Banks, VC firms, Government agencies – debt Vs equity > Networking/Trade Bodies: Mentoring, Standards, > Large customer base, especially domestic, > Society at Large: Cultural attitudes like questioning authority, Relatives > Money focus, press freedom, and availability of relevant role models. > > Dr. Mohan goes further to list the essential attributes for innovation as: > > Sheer intellect, analytical thinking, synthesis, inquisitiveness, > Sustained work in an area, > Maniacal focus and attention to detail, > Appreciation for long term technical careers and related role models, > Soft skills and belief in collaborating with other people, > Risk taking and handling failures gracefully, > Dedicated follow through to turn invention to innovation, > Scale: pockets of brilliance are often insufficient for meaningful impact, > Paths/desire for faculty to turn research into commercial impact, > Truly serious collaboration between academia and industry, and > Ability to promote startups while at the same time upholding > well-established companies. > > Further, he identifies the following issues that appear pertinent to India > but may also apply to any third world country. > > Putting too much focus on compensation; > High-quality work and leaving a legacy are often secondary goals, if at all; > Sense of entitlement, instant gratification pervade youth from day one at > work; > Lots of MoU signings between industry & academia, and Indian & foreign > universities – more photo ops and not enough serious follow ups; > true desire for collaboration lacking even in faculty (within/outside the > university); > Not enough accountability of outcomes with R&D investments; > When good does happen, not enough publicity/documentation; > Not enough interest in postgraduate education/research; > Tempting to blame convenient scapegoats: infrastructure, government, > politicians, bureaucracy, corruption, reservations; > Only lip service provided on striving for excellence In spite of becoming > modern in many ways, hierarchy still matters and questioning authority is > frowned on; > Too often looking westward for requirements/problems when local customers do > have non-trivial problems that call for innovation; > Acute shortage of soft skills; > False believe that all entrepreneurship equals being innovation; > Quantum leap in level of professionalism needed; > Doing subcontract/QA work may bring in money but cost arbitrage won’t be > sustainable – have to move up the food chain; > Too much of narrow grunt work and not enough indulgence in exploration on > the side as skunk works by individuals; and > Lank of understanding that managing technologists and technology products > requires special management skills. > > When I carefully examine these issues, I see myself, all you my colleagues > and the rest of the third world as part of the problem but not the solution > or ARE WE? > > Regards > > James Kulubi > > > From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> > To: ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> > Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 21:29:08 > Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: Price never goes down in Kenya > > The painful truth behind this article is quite upsetting. That costs > keep rising or at best remain high. We have complained about it yet > not much seems to result in lowered consumers internet costs. > > But at least, domain hosting has just became much more affordable! > > Background: > > Hosting has been expensive - 'New communications technologies and > freedom of expression in > Kenya'http://www.freedomofexpression.org.uk/files/Kenya_FoE.pdf > - - - - > 2.2.3 Costs of having an online presence > > The costs of internet domain names, website development and web > hosting are expensive in Kenya, effectively preventing most of the > population from having a presence online. As of 23 October 2008, there > were 9,238 generic .ke domains and 548 restricted or ‘second level’ > domains registered, totalling 9,786 .ke domain names. The policies of > Kenic (Kenya Network Information Centre) on internet domain pricing > were hotly discussed during the period of this study. A price of Ksh > 2,000 per domain had applied for all .ke domains, until sustained > complaints that the domain was overpriced, and that this was a barrier > to purchasers, compelled Kenic to review prices downwards in August > 2008. However Kenic’s Board decided to lower to 500 Ksh only the > prices of restricted domain names (those used by government and > schools) which were also the least registered. Kenic’s minutes from > its annual general meetings fail to record the levels of public > dissatisfaction with their policies, reflecting a tendency to report > only on positive achievements. > > Estimates suggest that the lowest accepted commercial rate for website > development is around US$ 1,000 (approximately Ksh 80,000), making the > cost prohibitively high for community and civil society organisations. > Professionally developed websites can cost upwards of three times this > amount. Popular ‘cheap’ hosting in the US costs about US$ 100 > (approximately Ksh 7,500) per year29, which is expensive for many > Kenyans and civil society organisations. > > Around 50% of Kenyan websites are currently hosted overseas. The > organisation Afrispa (A continental Association of African Internet > Service Providers) has published a strategy arguing that this is the > case because the ‘unfair distribution of bandwidth cost sharing is > actually driving traffic out of AISP [African Internet Service > Provider] backbones and into IBP [International Backbone Providers] > backbones’. Kenyan ISPs, it says, are effectively bearing the cost of > international connectivity in both directions, resulting in higher > costs to consumers. The strategy proposes redressing this imbalance of > cost sharing and the consequent high prices, by promoting the > development ‘peering’ through Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) so that > locally-destined traffic can be routed locally and at lower cost. > - - - > Today hosting services remain quite expensive, for example, below are > annual costs published at one of the local hosting company's website:- > > 50MB - KSH 3,000/= > 100MB - KSH 6,000/= > 300MB - KSH 9,000/= > 500MB - KSH 12,000/= > > Quite prohibitive costs which I know should be way much lower!!! > > Intervention: > > An own small contribution towards lowering the prevailing high internet > costs. > > In contributing to the solving the internet domain hosting costs, > today I partnered with one of the best hosting companies in the world. > I am pleased to inform you that from now on your domain/website can be > hosted (with 500MB disk space) at shillings 3,500/= (three thousand > five hundred only) per year. > > You can assist: > > May I request that you kindly let persons that may be interested in > this affordable hosting know of this intervention? > > regards, > > Alex > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> [Our cartels ruled economic arrangement defeats 'free market' >> philosophy. Unless government intervenes on telecommunication prices >> as promised a while back by PS Ndemo, then consumers should just >> forget all those promised 'wonderful benefits of ICTs' - internet >> fibres, mobile, contents/applications, etc. etc. -true or false? AG] >> -- >> [Daily Nation] >> By ALLAN NGUNGU >> Sunday, April 4 2010 >> >> Kenya has in all along been a veritable capitalist country whose >> free-wheeling economic model has compared the US and Britain. >> >> In Africa, it is ranked among the top entrepreneurial states, its >> people staking their business acumen from Eastern Africa to Botswana >> to the goldmine havens of South Africa. >> >> But even with this “market economy”, it has had a major flaw: it’s >> almost entirely based on an edifice of ever rising prices of goods and >> services — and production costs. These always go up but never, ever >> come down even when the open market dictates so. >> >> The precepts of a free market as espoused by the Keyneses of this >> world never seem to work here, no supply-driven price drops. >> >> During times of drought, for instance, prices of goods shoot up, but >> when it rains cats and dogs, prices remain high for all manner of >> dubious reasons including the favourite: the roads are impassable. >> >> Right now, prices of maize, potatoes and milk have precipitously >> dropped in various parts of the country but the middle-men vultures >> have swooped in, buying at throwaway prices only to make a killing in >> towns. >> >> When cattle are dying and herders are selling at rock-bottom prices, >> meat prices never go down but will swiftly go up if there is a minor >> shortage. >> >> When crude oil prices escalated from around $60 to $147 a barrel in >> the latter half of 2008, Kenyan oil companies gleefully raised prices >> to over Shs110 in days, When the barrel prices dropped below the >> original, it took the virtual intervention of the Government with >> threats of price controls to nudge these companies to reduce the >> prices even though all they did was a slap-in the face. >> >> After the huge escalation of electricity rates late last year >> supposedly because of the drought, there has virtually been no drop >> even as we have swollen rivers wiping out villages. >> >> WHEN CONSUMERS WERE ENDURING the economically costly power rationing, >> Kenya Power and Lighting Co — that edifice that is adept more at power >> outages than lighting — was reporting astronomical profits. How one >> makes huge profits during a power rationing regime is a mystery. >> >> There are many other examples, including, mobile telephone rates that >> are some of the highest in the world, Internet charges that remain >> high despite the landing of the much-hyped fibre optic cables or >> matatus that triple fares because it has suddenly rained or because it >> is Christmas. >> >> It is the same for Kenya’s legendary shylocks in the form of banks who >> have defied all pressure including positive measures to reduce their >> high credit interest rates while paying puny amounts to depositors. >> >> The result is always the same: far from increasing their sales and >> customer base, Kenyan businesses, big and small, end up excluding huge >> numbers, while remaining highly uncompetitive globally. >> >> They don’t have a clue about why huge companies such as Wal-Mart, >> Ford, Toyota and others became such success stories — they sold cheap >> to all strands of clients, not just to those who could afford their >> goods. >> >> Henry Ford captured this early last century when he found out his >> workers could not afford the cars they made. >> >> >> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Price%20never%20goes%20down%20in%20Ken… >> > > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers

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Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER
by Shah, SurajX 08 Apr '10

08 Apr '10

Charles I am the current acting Chairman of KIF. Earlier KIF tried to converging all ICT associations under one umbrella body, but not everyone wants to play ball - it is a bit like political parties. Regards Suraj Shah Corporate Affairs Manager Intel Corporation | Kenya | Office: 7th Floor, Purshottam Place, Westlands Road next to CfC Stanbic Bank, Nairobi | Tel: +254 20 3601724 / 3601727 | Mobile: +254 722 412277 | Email: surajx.shah(a)intel.com -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+surajx.shah=intel.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+surajx.shah=intel.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:14 AM To: Shah, SurajX Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 35, Issue 54 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER (charles nduati) 2. Re: ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER-1st Pope? (Walubengo J) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 03:49:12 +0000 (GMT) From: charles nduati <charlesnduati2002(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke, bm(a)jkuates.jkuat.ac.ke Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER Message-ID: <813391.93318.qm(a)web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi listers, I have truly enjoyed this debate especially having been the first founding executive director of KENYA ICT FEDERATION (KIF) With other industry captains like mike eldon our founder chairman and all chairmen of the then 12 existing ICT associations i.e. 2003. our vision was exactly what this debate is about and we anchored KIF under KEPSA. as Dr. siganga said, there is no need of recreating the wheel. just contact Dr. kevit desai the KIF governor at KEPSA and ask him to adopt all ICT associations and stakeholders in KEPSA through KIF. believe me folks, if the ROMAN KING CONSTANTINE hadn t merged all christian sects and made himself the first POPE, christianity would not have survived 2000 years and be so successful in its mission good day all charles nduati On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:34 EEST Harry Delano wrote: >Al Kags, > >That is why this town hall meeting may be important. Actually Harry (Hare), >came up with a more brilliant >idea that would require us to make this to be more of an evaluation process >- that would create a "need" for >either overhaul or improvement in structures and processes. This could be >enacted by Govt, either through >legislation, or an executive decision. > >Mr. Kukubo, also had a good suggestion that we cast the net wider, to draw >in as many stakeholers as >we can. This, I suppose would be be a perfect chance for us, to tick each of >these agencies off the list, >enumerating their roles, mandate, and how this all should fit in the bigger >picture across the national ICT >Landscape. I suppose, we need to hold to account those tasked with a >mandate.. > >So I suppose, the question we should be asking ourselves, is where do we >first start - The town hall meeting..? >And how do we cast this net wider for participation..? > >Harry > > _____ > >From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >Behalf Of Al Kags >Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:45 PM >To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > >Gilda, you are right that all organisations need to meet their obligations >effectively. I wonder though whether some of them are not duplicated? >especially some that we have seen listed on this thread? > > >On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, <godera(a)skyweb.co.ke> wrote: > > > >Hi Harry, > >I believe the various organisations are all playing their own unique roles. >Key thing is for each to meet it's obligations effectively. >Tim Waema's proposal on the discussion of various organisations and their >mandate is no doubt a good idea to get things cleared and for industry to >continue giving their input so that the organisations are well designed. > >Best, > >Gilda > > >Quoting Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke>: > >> >> S. Murigi, >> >> Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter note... >> >> So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a whole >myriad >> of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st time.. >> >> Harry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> >=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >> Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya >> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:25 PM >> To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My >purpose >> then was to find out what they were about. >> >> Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less >than >> 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website. >> >> Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too >disappointed. >> For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies >can >> be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the >> professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say >this >> is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally. >> >> We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies >who >> jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are >> unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech >community >> support eg. www.ihub.co.ke >> >> Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the best >> (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as >much >> as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft, >> Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via >> these industry events. >> >> If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build >> capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software >> entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation' >> they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know. >> >> Nimechoka - typing on a mobile. >> >> SMM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52 >> To: murigi.muraya(a)gmail.com >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> Dr. Siganga, >> >> Your write up makes sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, >in >> other words we handle government agencies and industry associations >> separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest >government >> agencies first. >> >> Regards >> >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> >> wrote: >> > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to >> > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the >> > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with >> > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but >> > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other >> > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to >> > Walu on 7/7/08: >> >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a >> >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would >> >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines >> >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System >> >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can >> >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc... >> > >> > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body >> > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even >> > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold >> > water except from Kamotho. >> > >> > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see >> > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". >> > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by >> > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear >> > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of >> > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how >> > can the same government be involved in their set up? The other >> > axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not >> > deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples >> > of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a >> > membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up >under >> the same "Societies Act"). >> > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the >> > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who >> > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing >> > associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of >> > professional hecklers of existing associations. >> > >> > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations >> > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. >> > This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime >> > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. >> > >> > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and >> > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would >> > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be >> > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" >> > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership >> > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily >> > come together and run their interests. The members have their own >> > channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to >> > realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have >> > overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the >> > association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a >> > specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and >> > ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The >> > Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job >> > in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them. >> > Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held >> > at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider >> > audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more >> members. Overall, an associations' >> > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for >> > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's >> > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that >> > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others >> > can learn from them as well. >> > >> > Waudo >> > www.cskonline.org >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua(a)lpakenya.org wrote: >> >> Dear listers, >> >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was >> >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was >> >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant >> >> remember if the Government agencies were represented. >> >> >> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we >> >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of >> >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with >> >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't >> >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other >> >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the >> >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily >> >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by >> >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not >> >> too long ago. >> >> >> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance >> >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an >> >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that >> >> is recognized by an Act of parliament. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Ikua >> >> >> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo(a)gmail.com>: >> >> >> >> > Dear all, >> >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs >> >> > in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and >> >> > DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry >> associations that are not effective. >> >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. >> >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded >> >> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two >> >> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with >> >> > these presentations being made available earlier for participants >> >> > to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those >> >> > persons. tim >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno >> >> > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Daktari, >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the >> >> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting >> >> >> is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently >> >> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether >> >> >> they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo >> >> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau >> >> >> <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: >> >> >> >> Barrack, >> >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it >> >> >> >> will be >> >> >> wise >> >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> Malili. >> >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create >> >> >> >> these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms >> >> >> >> are good only when you point out where there are gaps. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only >> >> >> >> one >> >> >> person >> >> >> >> did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya >> >> >> >> kuchongoana >> >> >> tu. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy >> >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? >> >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed >> >> >> > along the >> >> >> way. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy >> >> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then arouse >> >> >> >> sufficient interest from >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> membership here. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the >contents! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ndemo. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this >> >> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can >> >> >> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in >> >> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i >> >> >> >>> saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early >> >> >> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something from >NCS >> as well plus any other agencies. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Regards >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga >> >> >> >>> <volunga(a)yahoo.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications >> >> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord >> >> >> >>>> and how do the two bodies >> >> >> relate >> >> >> >>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT >> matters? >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Regards >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Vitalis >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> ________________________________ >> >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >> >> >> >>>> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com >> >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> >> >> >>>> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM >> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Hi, >> >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, >> >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to >> >> >> >>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be called >> >> >> >>>> ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. >> >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board >> >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the >> >> >> >>>> Kenya >> >> >> Gazette >> >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: >> >> >> >>>> ? To advice the government on all relevant matters >> >> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM >> >> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. >> >> >> >>>> ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities >> >> >> >>>> for investments in ICT technology ? Facilitate and manage >> >> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and >> >> >> technology >> >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and >> land. >> >> >> >>>> ? Partner with agents within and without the country to >> >> >> >>>> carry out >> >> >> such >> >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary. >> >> >> >>>> ? To transform and empower society through deployment and >> >> >> >>>> use of >> >> >> ICTs. >> >> >> >>>> ? 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Message-ID: <216265.64212.qm(a)web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Charles, At the risk of starting a religious debate, ...jst wanted to clarify.? 1st Pope was never Constantine but St. Peter...in the 1st Century.? Constantine came on the scene 300years later.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I ... walu. --- On Thu, 4/8/10, charles nduati <charlesnduati2002(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: charles nduati <charlesnduati2002(a)yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 7:49 AM Hi listers, I have truly enjoyed this debate especially having been the first founding executive director of KENYA ICT FEDERATION (KIF) With other industry captains like mike eldon our founder chairman and all chairmen of the then 12 existing ICT associations i.e. 2003. our vision was exactly what this debate is about and we anchored KIF under KEPSA. as Dr. siganga said,? there is no need of recreating the wheel. just contact Dr. kevit desai the KIF governor at KEPSA and ask him to adopt all ICT associations and stakeholders in KEPSA through KIF. believe me folks, if the ROMAN KING CONSTANTINE hadn t merged all christian sects and made himself the first POPE, christianity would not have survived 2000? years and be so successful in its mission good day all charles nduati On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:34 EEST Harry Delano wrote: >Al Kags, > >That is why this town hall meeting may be important. Actually Harry (Hare), >came up with a more brilliant >idea that would require us to make this to be more of an evaluation process >- that would create a "need" for >either overhaul or improvement in structures and processes. This could be >enacted by Govt, either through >legislation, or an executive decision. > >Mr. Kukubo, also had a good suggestion that we cast the net wider, to draw >in as many stakeholers as >we can. This, I suppose would be be a perfect chance for us, to tick each of >these agencies off the list, >enumerating their roles, mandate, and how this all should fit in the bigger >picture across the national ICT >Landscape. I suppose, we need to hold to account those tasked with a >mandate.. > >So I suppose, the question we should be asking ourselves, is where do we >first start - The town hall meeting..? >And how do we cast this net wider for participation..? > >Harry > >? _____? > >From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >Behalf Of Al Kags >Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:45 PM >To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > >Gilda, you are right that all organisations need to meet their obligations >effectively. I wonder though whether some of them are not duplicated? >especially some that we have seen listed on this thread? > > >On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, <godera(a)skyweb.co.ke> wrote: > > > >Hi Harry, > >I believe the various organisations are all playing their own unique roles. >Key thing is for each to meet it's obligations effectively. >Tim Waema's proposal on the discussion of various organisations and their >mandate is no doubt a good idea to get things cleared and for industry to >continue giving their input so that the organisations are well designed. > >Best, > >Gilda > > >Quoting Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke>: > >> >> S. Murigi, >> >> Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter note... >> >> So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a whole >myriad >> of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st time.. >> >> Harry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> >=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >> Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya >> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:25 PM >> To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My >purpose >> then was to find out what they were about. >> >> Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less >than >> 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website. >> >> Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too >disappointed. >> For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies >can >> be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the >> professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say >this >> is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally. >> >> We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies >who >> jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are >> unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech >community >> support eg. www.ihub.co.ke >> >> Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the best >> (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as >much >> as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft, >> Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via >> these industry events. >> >> If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build >> capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software >> entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation' >> they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know. >> >> Nimechoka - typing on a mobile. >> >> SMM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52 >> To: murigi.muraya(a)gmail.com >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> Dr. Siganga, >> >> Your write up makes? sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, >in >> other words we handle government agencies and industry associations >> separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest >government >> agencies first. >> >> Regards >> >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> >> wrote: >> > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to >> > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the >> > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with >> > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but >> > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other >> > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to >> > Walu on 7/7/08: >> >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a >> >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would >> >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines >> >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System >> >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can >> >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc... >> > >> > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body >> > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even >> > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act".? The idea received cold >> > water except from Kamotho. >> > >> > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see >> > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". >> > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by >> > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear >> > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of >> > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how >> > can the same government be involved in their set up? The other >> > axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not >> > deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples >> > of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a >> > membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up >under >> the same "Societies Act"). >> > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the >> > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who >> > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing >> > associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of >> > professional hecklers of existing associations. >> > >> > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations >> > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. >> > This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime >> > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. >> > >> > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and >> > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would >> > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be >> > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" >> > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership >> > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily >> > come together and run their interests. The members have their own >> > channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to >> > realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have >> > overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the >> > association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a >> > specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and >> > ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The >> > Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job >> > in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them. >> > Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held >> > at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider >> > audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more >> members. Overall, an associations' >> > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for >> > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's >> > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that >> > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others >> > can learn from them as well. >> > >> > Waudo >> > www.cskonline.org >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua(a)lpakenya.org wrote: >> >> Dear listers, >> >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was >> >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was >> >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant >> >> remember if the Government agencies were represented. >> >> >> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we >> >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of >> >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with >> >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't >> >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other >> >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the >> >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily >> >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by >> >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not >> >> too long ago. >> >> >> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance >> >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an >> >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that >> >> is recognized by an Act of parliament. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Ikua >> >> >> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo(a)gmail.com>: >> >> >> >> > Dear all, >> >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs >> >> > in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and >> >> > DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry >> associations that are not effective. >> >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. >> >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded >> >> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two? >> >> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with >> >> > these presentations being made available earlier for participants >> >> > to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those >> >> > persons. tim >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno >> >> > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Daktari, >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the >> >> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting >> >> >> is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently >> >> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether >> >> >> they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo >> >> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau >> >> >> <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: >> >> >> >> Barrack, >> >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it >> >> >> >> will be >> >> >> wise >> >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> Malili. >> >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create >> >> >> >> these agencies without putting some thought to it.? Criticisms >> >> >> >> are good only when you point out where there are gaps. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only >> >> >> >> one >> >> >> person >> >> >> >> did respond.? What it means then is that this forum ni ya >> >> >> >> kuchongoana >> >> >> tu. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy >> >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? >> >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed >> >> >> > along the >> >> >> way. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate.? I have four other policy >> >> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then arouse >> >> >> >> sufficient interest from >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> membership here. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the >contents! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ndemo. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this >> >> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can >> >> >> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in >> >> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i >> >> >> >>> saw a? post from Paul on what the board has achieved early >> >> >> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something from >NCS >> as well plus any other agencies. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Regards >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga >> >> >> >>> <volunga(a)yahoo.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications >> >> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord >> >> >> >>>> and how do the two bodies >> >> >> relate >> >> >> >>>> with respect to? advisory services to the governement on ICT >> matters? >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Regards >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Vitalis >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> ________________________________ >> >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >> >> >> >>>> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com >> >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> >> >> >>>> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM >> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Hi, >> >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, >> >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to >> >> >> >>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be called >> >> >> >>>> ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. >> >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board >> >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the >> >> >> >>>> Kenya >> >> >> Gazette >> >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: >> >> >> >>>> ?? To advice the government on all relevant matters >> >> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination? (remember the PM >> >> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. >> >> >> >>>> ?? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities >> >> >> >>>> for investments in ICT technology ?? Facilitate and manage >> >> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and >> >> >> technology >> >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and >> land. >> >> >> >>>> ?? Partner with agents within and without the country to >> >> >> >>>> carry out >> >> >> such >> >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary. >> >> >> >>>> ?? To transform and empower society through deployment and >> >> >> >>>> use of >> >> >> ICTs. >> >> >> >>>> ?? 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Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER
by charles nduati 08 Apr '10

08 Apr '10

Hi listers, I have truly enjoyed this debate especially having been the first founding executive director of KENYA ICT FEDERATION (KIF) With other industry captains like mike eldon our founder chairman and all chairmen of the then 12 existing ICT associations i.e. 2003. our vision was exactly what this debate is about and we anchored KIF under KEPSA. as Dr. siganga said, there is no need of recreating the wheel. just contact Dr. kevit desai the KIF governor at KEPSA and ask him to adopt all ICT associations and stakeholders in KEPSA through KIF. believe me folks, if the ROMAN KING CONSTANTINE hadn t merged all christian sects and made himself the first POPE, christianity would not have survived 2000 years and be so successful in its mission good day all charles nduati On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:34 EEST Harry Delano wrote: >Al Kags, > >That is why this town hall meeting may be important. Actually Harry (Hare), >came up with a more brilliant >idea that would require us to make this to be more of an evaluation process >- that would create a "need" for >either overhaul or improvement in structures and processes. This could be >enacted by Govt, either through >legislation, or an executive decision. > >Mr. Kukubo, also had a good suggestion that we cast the net wider, to draw >in as many stakeholers as >we can. This, I suppose would be be a perfect chance for us, to tick each of >these agencies off the list, >enumerating their roles, mandate, and how this all should fit in the bigger >picture across the national ICT >Landscape. I suppose, we need to hold to account those tasked with a >mandate.. > >So I suppose, the question we should be asking ourselves, is where do we >first start - The town hall meeting..? >And how do we cast this net wider for participation..? > >Harry > > _____ > >From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >Behalf Of Al Kags >Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:45 PM >To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > >Gilda, you are right that all organisations need to meet their obligations >effectively. I wonder though whether some of them are not duplicated? >especially some that we have seen listed on this thread? > > >On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, <godera(a)skyweb.co.ke> wrote: > > > >Hi Harry, > >I believe the various organisations are all playing their own unique roles. >Key thing is for each to meet it's obligations effectively. >Tim Waema's proposal on the discussion of various organisations and their >mandate is no doubt a good idea to get things cleared and for industry to >continue giving their input so that the organisations are well designed. > >Best, > >Gilda > > >Quoting Harry Delano <harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke>: > >> >> S. Murigi, >> >> Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter note... >> >> So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a whole >myriad >> of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st time.. >> >> Harry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> >=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] On >> Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya >> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:25 PM >> To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My >purpose >> then was to find out what they were about. >> >> Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less >than >> 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website. >> >> Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too >disappointed. >> For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies >can >> be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the >> professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say >this >> is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally. >> >> We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies >who >> jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are >> unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech >community >> support eg. www.ihub.co.ke >> >> Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the best >> (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as >much >> as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft, >> Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via >> these industry events. >> >> If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build >> capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software >> entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation' >> they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know. >> >> Nimechoka - typing on a mobile. >> >> SMM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52 >> To: murigi.muraya(a)gmail.com >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> Dr. Siganga, >> >> Your write up makes sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, >in >> other words we handle government agencies and industry associations >> separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest >government >> agencies first. >> >> Regards >> >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> >> wrote: >> > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to >> > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the >> > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with >> > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but >> > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other >> > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to >> > Walu on 7/7/08: >> >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a >> >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would >> >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines >> >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System >> >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can >> >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc... >> > >> > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body >> > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even >> > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold >> > water except from Kamotho. >> > >> > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see >> > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". >> > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by >> > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear >> > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of >> > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how >> > can the same government be involved in their set up? The other >> > axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not >> > deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples >> > of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a >> > membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up >under >> the same "Societies Act"). >> > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the >> > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who >> > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing >> > associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of >> > professional hecklers of existing associations. >> > >> > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations >> > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. >> > This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime >> > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. >> > >> > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and >> > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would >> > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be >> > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" >> > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership >> > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily >> > come together and run their interests. The members have their own >> > channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to >> > realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have >> > overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the >> > association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a >> > specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and >> > ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The >> > Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job >> > in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them. >> > Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held >> > at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider >> > audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more >> members. Overall, an associations' >> > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for >> > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's >> > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that >> > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others >> > can learn from them as well. >> > >> > Waudo >> > www.cskonline.org >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua(a)lpakenya.org wrote: >> >> Dear listers, >> >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was >> >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was >> >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant >> >> remember if the Government agencies were represented. >> >> >> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we >> >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of >> >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with >> >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't >> >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other >> >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the >> >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily >> >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by >> >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not >> >> too long ago. >> >> >> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance >> >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an >> >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that >> >> is recognized by an Act of parliament. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Ikua >> >> >> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo(a)gmail.com>: >> >> >> >> > Dear all, >> >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs >> >> > in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and >> >> > DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry >> associations that are not effective. >> >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. >> >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded >> >> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two >> >> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with >> >> > these presentations being made available earlier for participants >> >> > to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those >> >> > persons. tim >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno >> >> > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Daktari, >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the >> >> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting >> >> >> is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently >> >> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether >> >> >> they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo >> >> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau >> >> >> <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: >> >> >> >> Barrack, >> >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it >> >> >> >> will be >> >> >> wise >> >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> Malili. >> >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create >> >> >> >> these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms >> >> >> >> are good only when you point out where there are gaps. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only >> >> >> >> one >> >> >> person >> >> >> >> did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya >> >> >> >> kuchongoana >> >> >> tu. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy >> >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? >> >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed >> >> >> > along the >> >> >> way. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy >> >> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then arouse >> >> >> >> sufficient interest from >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> membership here. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the >contents! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ndemo. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this >> >> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can >> >> >> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in >> >> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i >> >> >> >>> saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early >> >> >> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something from >NCS >> as well plus any other agencies. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Regards >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga >> >> >> >>> <volunga(a)yahoo.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications >> >> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord >> >> >> >>>> and how do the two bodies >> >> >> relate >> >> >> >>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT >> matters? >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Regards >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Vitalis >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> ________________________________ >> >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >> >> >> >>>> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com >> >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> >> >> >>>> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM >> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Hi, >> >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, >> >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to >> >> >> >>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be called >> >> >> >>>> ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. >> >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board >> >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the >> >> >> >>>> Kenya >> >> >> Gazette >> >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: >> >> >> >>>> ? To advice the government on all relevant matters >> >> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM >> >> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. >> >> >> >>>> ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities >> >> >> >>>> for investments in ICT technology ? Facilitate and manage >> >> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and >> >> >> technology >> >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and >> land. >> >> >> >>>> ? Partner with agents within and without the country to >> >> >> >>>> carry out >> >> >> such >> >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary. >> >> >> >>>> ? To transform and empower society through deployment and >> >> >> >>>> use of >> >> >> ICTs. >> >> >> >>>> ? Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT >> >> >> >>>> products >> >> >> and >> >> >> >>>> services. >> >> >> >>>> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes >> >> >> >>>> you >> >> >> guessed >> >> >> >>>> it I >> >> >> >>>> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. >> >> >> >>>> Regards >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >>>> kictanet mailing list >> >> >> >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> >> >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com >> >> >> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrac >> >> >> k%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >> >>> Barrack O. 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Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
by S.Murigi Muraya 07 Apr '10

07 Apr '10

About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My purpose then was to find out what they were about. Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less than 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website. Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too disappointed. For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies can be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say this is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally. We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies who jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech community support eg. www.ihub.co.ke Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the best (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as much as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft, Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via these industry events. If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation' they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know. Nimechoka - typing on a mobile. SMM -----Original Message----- From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52 To: murigi.muraya(a)gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked Dr. Siganga, Your write up makes sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, in other words we handle government agencies and industry associations separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest government agencies first. Regards On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet(a)mailcan.com> wrote: > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the discussion > did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to Walu > on 7/7/08: >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc... > > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold water > except from Kamotho. > > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how can > the same government be involved in their set up? The other axiomatic > thing about associations is that the ones that do not deliver invariably > die a natural death - and there are many examples of this in Kenya even > within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a membership association (just > like a Church or Club which are set up under the same "Societies Act"). > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing associations > cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of professional > hecklers of existing associations. > > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. This > I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. > > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily come > together and run their interests. The members have their own channels to > discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to realize that > someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have overflowing goodwill > towards (leave alone information about) the association. However, > associations face a lot of challenges and a specific get together of > associations to discuss best practices and ways of being sustainable and > more effective would be welcome. The Business Advocacy Fund is for > example doing a great and positive job in the direction of capacity > building and funding. Well done to them. Another useful type of meeting > is the type you refer to that was held at KICC a couple of years ago > where associations can inform a wider audience about their activities > and roles and, perhaps, recruit more members. Overall, an associations' > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others > can learn from them as well. > > Waudo > www.cskonline.org > > > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua(a)lpakenya.org wrote: >> Dear listers, >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant >> remember if the Government agencies were represented. >> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not >> too long ago. >> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that >> is recognized by an Act of parliament. >> >> Regards, >> Ikua >> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo(a)gmail.com>: >> >> > Dear all, >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs in Kenya, >> > not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and DEG/GITS. It also needs >> > to include the plethora of ICT industry associations that are not effective. >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded by some >> > guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two persons can >> > prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with these presentations >> > being made available earlier for participants to acquint with them. I am >> > also prepared to be one of those persons. tim >> > >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno >> > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> > >> >> Daktari, >> >> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the document as >> >> well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting is a welcome idea >> >> i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently philanthropic before the last >> >> town hall meeting i wonder whether they can double their offer during >> >> this easter season, bwn Magolo can we count on you. Walu can set the >> >> agenda. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau >> >> <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: >> >> >> Barrack, >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be >> >> wise >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on >> >> Malili. >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these >> >> >> agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only >> >> >> when you point out where there are gaps. >> >> >> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one >> >> person >> >> >> did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana >> >> tu. >> >> > >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed along the >> >> way. >> >> > >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I >> >> >> really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from >> >> the >> >> >> membership here. >> >> > >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ndemo. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are >> >> >>> very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with >> >> >>> a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do >> >> >>> some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board >> >> >>> has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need >> >> >>> something from NCS as well plus any other agencies. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Regards >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga(a)yahoo.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What >> >> >>>> is >> >> >>>> the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies >> >> relate >> >> >>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Regards >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Vitalis >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> ________________________________ >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >> >> >>>> To: volunga(a)yahoo.com >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Hi, >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try >> >> >>>> reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything >> >> >>>> and >> >> >>>> everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your >> >> >>>> microwave oven and copier. >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya >> >> Gazette >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: >> >> >>>> ? To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to >> >> >>>> development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT >> >> >>>> industries in the country. >> >> >>>> ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for >> >> >>>> investments in ICT technology >> >> >>>> ? Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and >> >> technology >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. >> >> >>>> ? Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out >> >> such >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary. >> >> >>>> ? To transform and empower society through deployment and use of >> >> ICTs. >> >> >>>> ? Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products >> >> and >> >> >>>> services. >> >> >>>> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you >> >> guessed >> >> >>>> it I >> >> >>>> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. >> >> >>>> Regards >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> kictanet mailing list >> >> >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com >> >> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> >>>> >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail… >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> Barrack O. Otieno >> >> >>> Geneva >> >> >>> Skype: barrack.otieno >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> kictanet mailing list >> >> >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> >>> >> >> >>> This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke >> >> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> >>> >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke >> >> >>> >> >> >>> ---------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> >> >>> dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is >> >> >>> believed to be clean. >> >> >>> --------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> "easy access to the world" >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------- >> >> >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> >> >> dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is >> >> >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> >> "easy access to the world" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> kictanet mailing list >> >> >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> >> >> >> >> This message was sent to: solo.mburu(a)gmail.com >> >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/solo.mburu%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Solomon Mb?r? Kamau >> >> > P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi >> >> > Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 >> >> > >> >> > Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all >> >> > the same way to the side of a hill! >> >> > >> >> > AND >> >> > >> >> > It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous >> >> generosity! >> >> > >> >> > http://dawn-in-kenya.blogspot.com >> >> > http://smiley2.wordpress.com >> >> > http://mburu.sikika.co.ke >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > kictanet mailing list >> >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> > >> >> > This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com >> >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail… >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Barrack O. 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Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
by robert yawe 07 Apr '10

07 Apr '10

Hi, It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the Hon. Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe once bitten twice shy. The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 Million which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per province this was surely another scan in the making. I remember the MP of Kisumu Hon. Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of sanity in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath. I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from the mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the books are left behind. With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with 20 computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, and many other thinks. Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to meet the objectives. - 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M - This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical wiring & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m which means we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 screens/pcs. We could build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing provided the interlocking soil block making machines - 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million we which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing devices that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA which can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank. - 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local caching. This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been offered technical training. - 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide enough computer teachers. - 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God does not charge for solar, yet). The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be made available to the community in the evenings and as digital villages over the weekends where content can be generated, yes local content (ask me for details). Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% and well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already consumed the 7 million. Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water and writing materials for a bonding session. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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