September 2009 - KICTANet

Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Solomon Mburu 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Alex, Mistakes are made in ideas, but that does not mean I have not dome my research well. I think I should have said, Bill, stay on in fighting for the battle of empowering the internet users of their rights. By this, I do not mean he (Bill) is the only person who does that. We are all doing it in our own capacities! Thanks 2009/9/10 Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> > Solomon, > > It would really help everyone if you did your background research a > little more before commenting on some issues. > > Thanks, > > Alex > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Bill, > > > > Stay on and fight for what you want while in the 'system.' If you pull > > out, you;ll have lost the battle of internet rights and users! > > > > > > > > On 10/09/2009, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Bill, > >> > >> Leaving the list is not the solution....in my view there is more good > than > >> bad. > >> > >> N > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> > >> To: elizaslider(a)yahoo.com > >> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; KICTAnet ICT Policy > Discussions > >> <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:57:39 PM > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > >> > >> Alex, > >> Robert is apparently well known following emails I received from > >> highly reputable people in the Human Rights sector where he last > >> attacked. Through a bdix.net mailing list. You have opted to keep > >> quiet about this. > >> > >> If you continue protecting his identity and he remains a member of > >> your organisation, you ought to be ACCOUNTABLE as the chairman and let > >> him face the full wrath of his RESPONSIBILITY. Otherwise, you are an > >> accomplice. > >> > >> Don't mix the sad issue of Defamation today with Consumer Rights. I > >> also want cheap internet. > >> > >> Also take heed, I do not represent Michael Joseph or any other person > >> who faced attacks from Robert but I took responsibility to unearth the > >> culprit as a proud Kenyan who is not ready to see one soul drive us > >> into a destructive path. > >> > >> Unless you become bold and expose him, I am sorry I do not have > >> anything good to say about you too and your organisation. Actually, I > >> do not know what am doing in this list any more. > >> > >> Good bye....ALL. I can certainly get better things to do..... > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Gakuru Alex < > alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> Bill, > >>> > >>> "The trouble with being in the rat race is that even if you win, > >>> you're still a rat."- Lily Tomlin. > >>> I shall steer clear of the lowly races. > >>> > >>> inline responses, > >>> > >>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> Alex, > >>>> Don't beat around the bush. > >>> > >>> Bill = Impunity? Let's see.... > >>> > >>> But if you wish; > >>> > >>> 1) find out from your Safaricom friend where I was all day today. Ask > >>> them for my mobile phone user location tracking and the days calls and > >>> messages log to verify that indeed I had my handset on me all day. You > >>> are aware that they all have all this huge amount of data(SMS, calls, > >>> location, transaction, whom we call, when, conversation details etc ) > >>> on all of our communications on their servers, right? We do not ask > >>> for Data Protection bill aimlessly. > >>> > >>> 2) Indulge your investigations skills more- e.g. ask my neighbours if > >>> I was at the location given unto you. > >>> > >>> 3) Go to Kenya Power and Lighting Company and ask them for their power > >>> rationing program for today. And confirm whether indeed my location > >>> had an outage. > >>> > >>> 4) I spoke with several respected senior personalities today who > >>> needed data and information. Without power, I regretted, I could not > >>> send them via emails. I am ready to give you their numbers for you to > >>> confirm if indeed I told them so. > >>> > >>>> 1. Have you met Onyango Hatari in person?? > >>>> 2. Do you have his contacts?? > >>>> 3. Are you Onyango Hatari?? > >>>> > >>>> Call me....0724226600 we discuss this matter. We need to straighten > >>>> this matter!!!! > >>> > >>> I shall not qualify or dignify your allegations with an honourable > >>> response. > >>> > >>> @Journalist: Anne-Marie Kinyanjui (and despite your disclaimer): > >>> > >>> Are you are qualified to advice us on consumer advocacy and > >>> telecommunications investments? You wrote me an email asking for me > >>> for data. What did you really want it for? > >>> Whom does a journalist write for? See for "professional journalist" > >>> here <http://tinyurl.com/john-pilger-video> > >>> > >>> I can send to kictanet the KBC and NTV News clips of the same Michael > >>> Joseph interview, then all you can understand what I mean. Moderator > >>> let me know I can do that? (~10MB). > >>> > >>> ---------- > >>> Finally, > >>> > >>> My data-based analysis remains valid, until and unless Safaricom's > >>> Michael Joseph offers verifiable proof on the contrary. Internet > >>> prices have to come down, immediately! > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> > >>> Alex > >>> > >>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Gakuru Alex > >>>> <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> Bill, your remark as it stands right here borders on something > already > >>>>> illegal.... Please take note. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> Ladies and Gentlemen, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We are missing the point here. Clearly, 'Onyango Hatari' does not > >>>>>> exist and is just a pseudonym for someone we know quite well on this > >>>>>> list who prefers to spew hatred using a different email address. > This > >>>>>> matter in no longer on 'consumers' rights'. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I would encourage Michael Joseph to report to the nearest police > >>>>>> station for investigations to commence with a view of suing for > libel > >>>>>> because this is clear defamation. The Chairman of the ICT Consumers > >>>>>> Association should be one of the respondents 'to assist police with > >>>>>> investigations' since he seems to be the only one who knows the true > >>>>>> identity of one Onyango Hatari. Or is there anyone in this list who > >>>>>> has actually interacted with Onyango Hatari??? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Bildad Kagai > >>>>>> MD - MediaCorp Limited > >>>>>> Nairobi Stock Exchange Authorised Information Vendor > >>>>>> Suite B2, Tetu Court, State House Avenue > >>>>>> P. O. Box 20311 - 00200 > >>>>>> Nairobi, Kenya > >>>>>> Tel. 254 20 272 8332 > >>>>>> Fax. Rendered Obsolete > >>>>>> S - 1°17'13.8" > >>>>>> E - 36°48'22.7" > >>>>>> www.mediacorp.co.ke > >>>>>> -- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> kictanet mailing list > >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >> > >> This message was sent to: elizaslider(a)yahoo.com > >> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/elizaslider%40yahoo.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Solomon Mburu > > P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi > > Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 > > > > Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all > > the same way to the side of a hill! > > > > AND > > > > It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous > generosity! > > > > > > blog: http://desires-and-dreams.blogspot.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ke-internetusers mailing list > > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > > > -- Solomon Mburu P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill! AND It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity! blog: http://desires-and-dreams.blogspot.com Sent from Nairobi, Kenya

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Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Gakuru Alex 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

<http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/410/16/39787.html>

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Re: [kictanet] The Way Forward...my 2 bob... WAS: Re: Invitation: 2009 EA-IGF, 7-9 September 2009, Nairobi, Kenya
by Douglas Onyango 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

> well, if the goal is to harmonise, why not have a regional > one from > the beginning, developed in a MSH fashion. Countries > can accept or > reject and negotiate according to their own agendas. We want to follow the bottom up approach, so it is imperative that countries come with their views to the table. > ?? I don't WANT to leave it to politicians alone ;-) No McTim, i don't - i am just reiterating that untill we have proper ground to form a working group/mailing list etc we can hang in there; I used the Politicians to present a group that is good-to-go Regards, Douglas Onyango +256(0712)981329 If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the Problem. --- On Wed, 9/9/09, McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com> wrote: > From: McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Way Forward...my 2 bob... WAS: Re: Invitation: 2009 EA-IGF, 7-9 September 2009, Nairobi, Kenya > To: "Douglas Onyango" <ondouglas(a)yahoo.com> > Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:44 AM > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:32 AM, > Douglas Onyango<ondouglas(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > McTim, > > I am with you on this. > > > > But i wish to point out that the issue of interest > groups is rather tricky > > to implement at an EA level at the moment. > > Rationale: Countries are still developing their > national positions on > > various issues and asking them to debate this at a > regional level would be > > rather premature. > > well, if the goal is to harmonise, why not have a regional > one from > the beginning, developed in a MSH fashion. Countries > can accept or > reject and negotiate according to their own agendas. > > > > > On the flip side of the coin, i think the parts of > EA that has issues they > > can deliberate on like the Parilamentarians are > already convenig this > > afternoon - so on this front your concern is being > addressed. > > ?? I don't WANT to leave it to politicians alone ;-) > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where > it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >

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Alex - Expose Robert
by Bill Kagai 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Alex, To protect the reputation of Kenya Internet Consumers Association, don't let Robert hide under your organisation. I do not think you are in cahoots. Expose him, we sink him. --- Bill

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Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by eunicekariuki＠ict.go.ke 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

You don't fool me one bit! Sorry Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: Theus Owicho <owichot(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:12:54 To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices Eunice I always dont involve myself in fights over the internet so if you really want to engage me call me for coffee and lets sort it out. I have much to live for and many to give and internet aquintances and fights are just not for me. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM, <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> wrote: > Sorry Owicho or whoever you are but the language and tone of this email > suggests that you are 'Onyango'. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > > ------------------------------ > *From*: Theus Owicho > *Date*: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:44:30 +0300 > *To*: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> > *Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high > internet prices > Guys > > there are things which doesn't warrant any comment because you might think > that you are containing the "Onyango" kumbe you are making him famous. This > guy is now a silent martyr to many here. If you don't like it, just don't > respond > > Response and counter attacks on mailings lists will never contain the > aggressors. They become bolder because people are listening and we have seen > them attack on regard to expiry of Bundles in Safcom and the expiry was > extended. > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> On 10/09/2009, eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> wrote: >> > Hahaaaa! How funny. >> > >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> > >> > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:49:33 >> > To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> > Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> > ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> prices >> > >> > >> > We dont need KICTANET to tell Kenyans that Eunice is using bellow the >> belt >> > to award favours. What is the number os users in KICTANET? Be serious. >> We >> > dont need KICTANET for this to be known >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> >> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:44:02 +0000 >> >> To: onyango(a)inbox.com >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >> prices >> >> >> >> You have missed the whole point as expected!! >> >> >> >> And sorry I will not give you the pleasure of being drawn into the >> level >> >> of arguing nor engage you as I know there will only be disgrace to be >> >> gained. >> >> >> >> I certainly feel sorry for you and hope you hope someone can help you >> >> soon. >> >> Pole sana. >> >> >> >> As for kictanet, this very juvenile language/ communication and level >> of >> >> thinking or interpreting matters of national importance is an >> >> embarrassment to the country, given the subscription nos. >> >> The real debate should be how to streamline debates so that they are of >> >> high quality! Alice, Walu over to you. >> >> >> >> Ek >> >> >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:28:01 >> >> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> >> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> >> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >> prices >> >> >> >> >> >> Eunice >> >> >> >> The debate is personalised because the stakeholders are personalising >> >> everything >> >> >> >> Dont say that the first priority of Michael JOseph is to teh >> shareholder >> >> while am a shareholder and priority is definitely not on me nor the >> >> majority who boycotted the AGM because of Michael Josephs arrogance. >> >> >> >> And now you bring Ringera issue into ICT matters. Wako was very wrong >> >> like he has been. There is no way a court ruling can bind the Kenyan >> >> parliament. There is separation of powers and thank God you will be >> >> excused because you are a marketer and seems to have very minute >> >> knowledge on law. The fact that you bring Ringera issues is suspect >> >> because first you have used the same bad laws to hinder people from >> >> accessing ICT Board and when access has been imminent you have tried to >> >> force peopel to have sex with you so that they get favours from ICT >> >> Board. Dont try to act like an angel. We know what you are doing. >> >> >> >> How do you expect people to be objective while you at ICT Board have >> not >> >> been objective nor fair to anyone. >> >> >> >> Be serious. Stop kidding us. >> >> >> >> OH >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> >>> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:11:06 +0000 >> >>> To: onyango(a)inbox.com >> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >>> prices >> >>> >> >>> This debate is so personalised that I can't help to wonder where the >> >>> 'policy advocacy' aspect of kictanet forum is! By focusing on MJ and >> not >> >>> Safaricom you make him more powerful! Yet he is just the CEO and for >> now >> >>> its spokesperson. >> >>> >> >>> We shall do well , very well when we stop being so emotional and >> >>> personal >> >>> on matters of ICT at whatever level. >> >>> >> >>> Any other way leaves Desai and sour, may be even bad taste in the >> mouths >> >>> of those we appeal to do xyz for the industry. >> >>> >> >>> Their(michael and others in similar positions of economic influence) >> >>> first priority is to their shareholders; Recall the way Wako >> arrogantly >> >>> but correctly advised parliament on the Ringera issue? That they can >> >>> only >> >>> request or express opinions and hope they will be considered by law >> >>> interpreters(courts). Tough pill to swallow on an issue such the >> Ringera >> >>> one but wako says only the court can interpret law. >> >>> >> >>> In the case of this forum, we should consider putting across our >> policy >> >>> requests, opinions, views, suggestions in sober, objective and above >> >>> board manner! >> >>> Any other way will yield nothing, unless you take off from internet to >> >>> the streets to protest or get commissions to be appointed to make >> >>> recommendations (at your tax cost) which may never be implemented any >> >>> way. >> >>> >> >>> Ek >> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> >>> >> >>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:44:03 >> >>> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> >>> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> >>> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >>> prices >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >>> kictanet mailing list >> >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >>> >> >>> This message was sent to: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >>> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eunicekariuki%40ict.go… >> >>> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >>> kictanet mailing list >> >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >>> >> >>> This message was sent to: onyango(a)inbox.com >> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >>> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/onyango%40inbox.com >> > >> >____________________________________________________________ >> > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! >> > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! >> >_______________________________________________ >> > kictanet mailing list >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> > >> > This message was sent to: solo.mburu(a)gmail.com >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/solo.mburu%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Solomon Mburu >> P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi >> Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 >> >> Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all >> the same way to the side of a hill! >> >> AND >> >> It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous >> generosity! >>_______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > >

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Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by eunicekariuki＠ict.go.ke 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Sorry Owicho or whoever you are but the language and tone of this email suggests that you are 'Onyango'. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: Theus Owicho <owichot(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:44:30 To: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> Cc: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke>; ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices Guys there are things which doesn't warrant any comment because you might think that you are containing the "Onyango" kumbe you are making him famous. This guy is now a silent martyr to many here. If you don't like it, just don't respond Response and counter attacks on mailings lists will never contain the aggressors. They become bolder because people are listening and we have seen them attack on regard to expiry of Bundles in Safcom and the expiry was extended. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 10/09/2009, eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> wrote: > > Hahaaaa! How funny. > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:49:33 > > To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> > > Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; > > ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > > > > > > We dont need KICTANET to tell Kenyans that Eunice is using bellow the > belt > > to award favours. What is the number os users in KICTANET? Be serious. We > > dont need KICTANET for this to be known > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > >> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:44:02 +0000 > >> To: onyango(a)inbox.com > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > >> prices > >> > >> You have missed the whole point as expected!! > >> > >> And sorry I will not give you the pleasure of being drawn into the level > >> of arguing nor engage you as I know there will only be disgrace to be > >> gained. > >> > >> I certainly feel sorry for you and hope you hope someone can help you > >> soon. > >> Pole sana. > >> > >> As for kictanet, this very juvenile language/ communication and level of > >> thinking or interpreting matters of national importance is an > >> embarrassment to the country, given the subscription nos. > >> The real debate should be how to streamline debates so that they are of > >> high quality! Alice, Walu over to you. > >> > >> Ek > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > >> > >> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:28:01 > >> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> > >> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; > >> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > >> prices > >> > >> > >> Eunice > >> > >> The debate is personalised because the stakeholders are personalising > >> everything > >> > >> Dont say that the first priority of Michael JOseph is to teh shareholder > >> while am a shareholder and priority is definitely not on me nor the > >> majority who boycotted the AGM because of Michael Josephs arrogance. > >> > >> And now you bring Ringera issue into ICT matters. Wako was very wrong > >> like he has been. There is no way a court ruling can bind the Kenyan > >> parliament. There is separation of powers and thank God you will be > >> excused because you are a marketer and seems to have very minute > >> knowledge on law. The fact that you bring Ringera issues is suspect > >> because first you have used the same bad laws to hinder people from > >> accessing ICT Board and when access has been imminent you have tried to > >> force peopel to have sex with you so that they get favours from ICT > >> Board. Dont try to act like an angel. We know what you are doing. > >> > >> How do you expect people to be objective while you at ICT Board have not > >> been objective nor fair to anyone. > >> > >> Be serious. Stop kidding us. > >> > >> OH > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > >>> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:11:06 +0000 > >>> To: onyango(a)inbox.com > >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > >>> prices > >>> > >>> This debate is so personalised that I can't help to wonder where the > >>> 'policy advocacy' aspect of kictanet forum is! By focusing on MJ and > not > >>> Safaricom you make him more powerful! Yet he is just the CEO and for > now > >>> its spokesperson. > >>> > >>> We shall do well , very well when we stop being so emotional and > >>> personal > >>> on matters of ICT at whatever level. > >>> > >>> Any other way leaves Desai and sour, may be even bad taste in the > mouths > >>> of those we appeal to do xyz for the industry. > >>> > >>> Their(michael and others in similar positions of economic influence) > >>> first priority is to their shareholders; Recall the way Wako > arrogantly > >>> but correctly advised parliament on the Ringera issue? That they can > >>> only > >>> request or express opinions and hope they will be considered by law > >>> interpreters(courts). Tough pill to swallow on an issue such the > Ringera > >>> one but wako says only the court can interpret law. > >>> > >>> In the case of this forum, we should consider putting across our policy > >>> requests, opinions, views, suggestions in sober, objective and above > >>> board manner! > >>> Any other way will yield nothing, unless you take off from internet to > >>> the streets to protest or get commissions to be appointed to make > >>> recommendations (at your tax cost) which may never be implemented any > >>> way. > >>> > >>> Ek > >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > >>> > >>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:44:03 > >>> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> > >>> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; > >>> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > >>> prices > >>> > >>> > >> >_______________________________________________ > >>> kictanet mailing list > >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >>> > >>> This message was sent to: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eunicekariuki%40ict.go… > >>> > >> >_______________________________________________ > >>> kictanet mailing list > >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >>> > >>> This message was sent to: onyango(a)inbox.com > >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/onyango%40inbox.com > > > >____________________________________________________________ > > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! > > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! > >_______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: solo.mburu(a)gmail.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/solo.mburu%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Solomon Mburu > P.O. 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Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by eunicekariuki＠ict.go.ke 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Hahaaaa! How funny. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:49:33 To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices We dont need KICTANET to tell Kenyans that Eunice is using bellow the belt to award favours. What is the number os users in KICTANET? Be serious. We dont need KICTANET for this to be known > -----Original Message----- > From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:44:02 +0000 > To: onyango(a)inbox.com > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > > You have missed the whole point as expected!! > > And sorry I will not give you the pleasure of being drawn into the level > of arguing nor engage you as I know there will only be disgrace to be > gained. > > I certainly feel sorry for you and hope you hope someone can help you > soon. > Pole sana. > > As for kictanet, this very juvenile language/ communication and level of > thinking or interpreting matters of national importance is an > embarrassment to the country, given the subscription nos. > The real debate should be how to streamline debates so that they are of > high quality! Alice, Walu over to you. > > Ek > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > > -----Original Message----- > From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:28:01 > To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> > Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; > ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > > > Eunice > > The debate is personalised because the stakeholders are personalising > everything > > Dont say that the first priority of Michael JOseph is to teh shareholder > while am a shareholder and priority is definitely not on me nor the > majority who boycotted the AGM because of Michael Josephs arrogance. > > And now you bring Ringera issue into ICT matters. Wako was very wrong > like he has been. There is no way a court ruling can bind the Kenyan > parliament. There is separation of powers and thank God you will be > excused because you are a marketer and seems to have very minute > knowledge on law. The fact that you bring Ringera issues is suspect > because first you have used the same bad laws to hinder people from > accessing ICT Board and when access has been imminent you have tried to > force peopel to have sex with you so that they get favours from ICT > Board. Dont try to act like an angel. We know what you are doing. > > How do you expect people to be objective while you at ICT Board have not > been objective nor fair to anyone. > > Be serious. Stop kidding us. > > OH > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:11:06 +0000 >> To: onyango(a)inbox.com >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> prices >> >> This debate is so personalised that I can't help to wonder where the >> 'policy advocacy' aspect of kictanet forum is! By focusing on MJ and not >> Safaricom you make him more powerful! Yet he is just the CEO and for now >> its spokesperson. >> >> We shall do well , very well when we stop being so emotional and >> personal >> on matters of ICT at whatever level. >> >> Any other way leaves Desai and sour, may be even bad taste in the mouths >> of those we appeal to do xyz for the industry. >> >> Their(michael and others in similar positions of economic influence) >> first priority is to their shareholders; Recall the way Wako arrogantly >> but correctly advised parliament on the Ringera issue? That they can >> only >> request or express opinions and hope they will be considered by law >> interpreters(courts). Tough pill to swallow on an issue such the Ringera >> one but wako says only the court can interpret law. >> >> In the case of this forum, we should consider putting across our policy >> requests, opinions, views, suggestions in sober, objective and above >> board manner! >> Any other way will yield nothing, unless you take off from internet to >> the streets to protest or get commissions to be appointed to make >> recommendations (at your tax cost) which may never be implemented any >> way. >> >> Ek >> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:44:03 >> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> prices >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eunicekariuki%40ict.go… >> > >_______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: onyango(a)inbox.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/onyango%40inbox.com ____________________________________________________________ GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! 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Fwd: Re: Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Bildad Kagai 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

> From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> > I do not have power today and my laptop battery is low. You will all > have to excuse my absence until later when power is back. I shall > respond to every question directed at me. > From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > Thanks Bill. I will call you and even invite you for Coffee in Java. > And tell them to bring the police then to serve me with the suit. I > will call you ndugu Alex/Hatari, You should expect natural consequences of what you do. Your excuse is LAME to say the least. Whether you are changing your tactical gambit or creating a new email address to light another tinderbox, you should be courageous enough not to hide your identity at cybercafes to push your agenda. What happened here today was 'out of order' and I hope the concerned aggrieved parties do take this matter to the relevant authorities at least as a deterrent measure for future escapades. I hope that very soon, we shall see the real face of Onyango Hatari who attempted to under-estimate the intelligence of this community by planting seeds of discord as soon as the long arm of the law catches up with him. I for one, will bear witness to the sad events that transpired today. I am confident we shall see an 'arrest' soon.

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by eunicekariuki＠ict.go.ke 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

You have missed the whole point as expected!! And sorry I will not give you the pleasure of being drawn into the level of arguing nor engage you as I know there will only be disgrace to be gained. I certainly feel sorry for you and hope you hope someone can help you soon. Pole sana. As for kictanet, this very juvenile language/ communication and level of thinking or interpreting matters of national importance is an embarrassment to the country, given the subscription nos. The real debate should be how to streamline debates so that they are of high quality! Alice, Walu over to you. Ek Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:28:01 To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices Eunice The debate is personalised because the stakeholders are personalising everything Dont say that the first priority of Michael JOseph is to teh shareholder while am a shareholder and priority is definitely not on me nor the majority who boycotted the AGM because of Michael Josephs arrogance. And now you bring Ringera issue into ICT matters. Wako was very wrong like he has been. There is no way a court ruling can bind the Kenyan parliament. There is separation of powers and thank God you will be excused because you are a marketer and seems to have very minute knowledge on law. The fact that you bring Ringera issues is suspect because first you have used the same bad laws to hinder people from accessing ICT Board and when access has been imminent you have tried to force peopel to have sex with you so that they get favours from ICT Board. Dont try to act like an angel. We know what you are doing. How do you expect people to be objective while you at ICT Board have not been objective nor fair to anyone. Be serious. Stop kidding us. OH > -----Original Message----- > From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:11:06 +0000 > To: onyango(a)inbox.com > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > > This debate is so personalised that I can't help to wonder where the > 'policy advocacy' aspect of kictanet forum is! By focusing on MJ and not > Safaricom you make him more powerful! Yet he is just the CEO and for now > its spokesperson. > > We shall do well , very well when we stop being so emotional and personal > on matters of ICT at whatever level. > > Any other way leaves Desai and sour, may be even bad taste in the mouths > of those we appeal to do xyz for the industry. > > Their(michael and others in similar positions of economic influence) > first priority is to their shareholders; Recall the way Wako arrogantly > but correctly advised parliament on the Ringera issue? That they can only > request or express opinions and hope they will be considered by law > interpreters(courts). Tough pill to swallow on an issue such the Ringera > one but wako says only the court can interpret law. > > In the case of this forum, we should consider putting across our policy > requests, opinions, views, suggestions in sober, objective and above > board manner! > Any other way will yield nothing, unless you take off from internet to > the streets to protest or get commissions to be appointed to make > recommendations (at your tax cost) which may never be implemented any > way. > > Ek > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > > -----Original Message----- > From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:44:03 > To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> > Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; > ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > > >_______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eunicekariuki%40ict.go… > >_______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: onyango(a)inbox.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/onyango%40inbox.com

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The Way Forward...my 2 bob... WAS: Re: Invitation: 2009 EA-IGF, 7-9 September 2009, Nairobi, Kenya
by McTim 09 Sep '09

09 Sep '09

Ladies and Gents, I have been thinking about this a great deal over the last few days. My position remains the same, the IGF (global one) is not a negotiating, output focused body. HOWEVER, there is no reason the National or Regional IGFs cannot produce outputs to help local and regional policy makers. As much as I applaud the fantastic organisational job done to bring this EAIGF about, I think that IF this body wants to actually produce a useful output for policy makers, it needs to shift format a bit. Instead of being a "presentations with a few questions at the end" kind of thing, I think that breaking up into subject matter working groups (with associated mailing lists per subject) over the course of the year will be more likely to produce useful frameworks for policy makers. Hope to see you later this morning, McTim On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Walubengo J<jwalu(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > McTim, > > thanx for your observations. i think what Vincent meant was the bigger picture which is that for our issues to be 'felt' or 'heard' at a global level, it counts to speak as a Region. > > And so according to me one major outcome from the ongoing meeting is to learn from each other and arrive at what you might call an E.African view/position on the various burning issues under CyberSecurity, Domain mngt, Infrastrucutre (e.g. undersea cable), Local Content, etc. > > walu. > > > --- On Sun, 9/6/09, McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> From: McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Invitation: 2009 EA-IGF, 7-9 September 2009, Nairobi, Kenya >> To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 9:00 PM >> Hi Vincent, >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Vincent Ngundi<vincent(a)kenic.or.ke> >> wrote: >> <snip> >> > The expected outcome of this will be a framework that >> ushers the region into >> > the digital economy. The outcome will also be a >> negotiating platform during >> > the fourth United Nations Internet Governance Forum >> (UN IGF) taking place in >> > Sharm El-Sheikh, Egypt, in November 2009, >> >> Can you clarify this please? AFAIK, the IGF is NOT a >> negotiating body. >> >> Our output could be an "input" for discussion, but there is >> no process >> or way to negotiate anything at the IGF (which has, after >> all, no >> "authority" to compel anyone to behave in a certain way). >> >> See you at the jacaranda tomorrow! >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> McTim >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where >> it is. A >> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: jwalu(a)yahoo.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> > > > >

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