December 2009 - KICTANet

Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications forbasiccomputer usage
by timrick＠gmail.com 04 Dec '09

04 Dec '09

Robert, If they do am ready to also offer to help.Thats a nice ideas.From skunkworks,quite some nice ideas of techies meeting together and have a bar camp and all.And since not all of us can make it to maybe a planning meeting,people could meet virtually to share ideas. I have interests in participating in e-government,but I don't have any pointers.If we can have virtual conference on such then would be great. I think I support you on this one. -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe Sent: 02/12/2009 5:20:16 pm To: timrick(a)gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications forbasiccomputer usage Hi David, We need to move forward and set the stage for the rest, all we need is to talk to KDN, OrangeTelkom or Safaricom to setup a conferencing server and we can have this brainstorm virtually. We where all up in arms when the cabinet went to Mombasa on a 11 million bonding session. Most of them are over 60 so they need a siesta after every 2 hours on activity, they don't know any better so lets show by example. If one of those mentioned above is game then I am ready to offer my time and skill to run the virtual conference. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Wed, 2/12/09, DAI <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> wrote: From: DAI <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications forbasiccomputer usage To: "LEO" <onyango.liech(a)gmail.com>, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Cc: "robert yawe" <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk>, ke-internetusers-bounces(a)bdix.net, "Evans Ikua" <ikua.evans(a)gmail.com>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Date: Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 10:45 Dear all, How about that we call for a grand meeting where we will do systematic brainstorming on the curriculum for the future ICT educations here in Kenya ? There are various very effective and systematic brain storming methods which can be used in large groups to reach consensus and conclusions in only 2-3 days. How do we gather the necessary financial support to make such an event take place for instance in January, we would in that case advertise the event in the Digital Age Journal, January 2010 issue, and we would report from the event in the February 2010 issue. I would propose that we simply meet, every one who have a positive interest in making Kenya a preferred outsourcing destination for High Tech - for instance in Software Development - and then we talk and systematically record what Email truncated to 2,000 characters :::0:b8511ea0cf1ec32366f0e61c654a429c:7d0:x:::

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[Fwd: [reformsnow] An Illustrated draft Constitution - Read in 10 mins]
by alice 03 Dec '09

03 Dec '09

For those following the constitution process, Please see attached. Discussions on the same taking place on: reformsnow(a)lists.reformsnow.or.ke http://lists.reformsnow.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/reformsnow best alice -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [reformsnow] An Illustrated draft Constitution - Read in 10 mins Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:24:56 -0800 (PST) From: Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: alice(a)apc.org CC: reformsnow(a)lists.reformsnow.or.ke Dear all, please find attached the draft constitution in pictures for easy reading. It is not a substitute for the actual draft constitution and the actual draft should be used to obtain further clarity where it is required. regards, Wamuyu _______________________________________________ reformsnow mailing list reformsnow(a)lists.reformsnow.or.ke http://lists.reformsnow.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/reformsnow

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage
by robert yawe 03 Dec '09

03 Dec '09

One Micheal Joseph called Kenyans peculiar and as I have mentioned before in my posts, I am a true Kenyan peculiar to other humans and for this reason if no other ICDL will not meet my requirements because I do not fit into the world demographic. A wheel is supposed to be round, why would I try to make a square one as so that I can arrive at the logic behind a round wheel? We have 3 or more mature curriculum on IT proficiency so there is absolutely no reason for us to import another. LEt us remain peculiar and be proud of it, we are not an asian tiger nation because we are not asian, we are an african leopard, cheetah, lion or hyena. Ours should be to develop a curriculum for export to east and central africa not ape (literally) others. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Tue, 1/12/09, joseph james <jjngatia(a)gmail.com> wrote: From: joseph james <jjngatia(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage To: "Evans Ikua" <ikua.evans(a)gmail.com> Cc: "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Date: Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 7:09 Dear Evans, I might choose to agree and differ on many points in your discussions. One for the ICDL option, its independent and has world recognition and the question is simple; Can KIE develop a curricula that achieve such similar status? Yes and No. So while we appreciate the flat world, the consumers are now better placed to choose what they want to buy, indulge, watch, learn and so forth. 4 out 5 Kenyans are certifications/paper- focused; most kenyans believe in getting certified and this is one major virus we need to clean. Again, most would want to get a certifiction that comes with international recognition in over 146 countries (work anywhere and for whoever). This cert virus has resulted from the CPF culture (CRAM-PASS- FORGET culture) that most pupils and students acquire all through the 8:4:4 curriculum. Most Governments have recognized ICDL, Kenya is just joining the pack. I believe in standards and innovating; Asia has prospered and left many African nations way behind, by adapting and adopting western world technological advancement. I think this is what we should do, or had done earlier. If we started earlier on and built standards and focused on quality training, we would have our certification and maybe share with the rest of continent if not the world. We were beaten to that by ICDL organisation. We need not recreate the wheel now. May be what should be the question main is finding measures on how how to reduce costs of pursuing ICDL from above Kes. 30,000 to may be Kes.14,000. It's possible and we may try adopting eLearning technologies. (I should have said I am an eLearning champion) So while we can train using ICDL for now, we can embark on building our own curriculum that beats ICDL. It's just a matter of time and with zero politic on such processes. I am a real optimist by all means; but for now while most Kenyans are hooked to foreign everything basic; food, clothes, shelter, media, culture, technology, education... Its upon organized groups making us proud with homegrown solutions that have a global feel and can be exported to other nations. It will be a Kenyanization effect. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans(a)gmail.com> wrote: I remember there was some discussion some time back about training standards. What was the outcome of that meeting? Anyone on this list who has some info? This is really pathetic. What is it with Kenyans and Foreign goods? Does the ICDL or any other certification for that matter, add any knowledge to someone? Is knowledge in a piece of paper or in the delivery of the training? Do you have any idea about the amount of money we lose to the UK for IMIS every year? While an individual has the right to choose what to take, I think its the epitome of ignorance to have the Government imposing on poor people an expensive end user qualification. Like I have said before, those living in Nairobi have forgotten that the country is bigger than Nairobi. We cant therefore see how someone cant afford 30k for an end user certificate. So how about the poor people who live on a dollar a day? Are we saying that they will never get jobs because they cant prove their end user skills? We need to wake up! On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:48 AM, anthony. musunji <tonzo1(a)gmail.com> wrote: I think Evans has introduced a valid dimension in this argument .Since Accountants have been able to develop a valid and recognised certification format, why can't the local IT proffessionals \ fraternity develop or promote its own certification .I am also keen to hear what KASNEB has to say about this development . My 2 cents Anthony Musunji On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> wrote: Evans, You may be pleased to know that the Kenya Accountants and Secretaries National Examinations Board (KASNEB) in 2006 introduced two examinable courses( 1 Professional Level("CICT"), 1 Technician Level"ICTT"). Last week, KASNEB Secretary and CEO kindly send me copies of the syllabus -(commencement June 2009) I have copied this message to KASNEB CEO with the hope that they may be interested in joining this list at least for the purpose of this discussion? Kind regards, Alex On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Evan's argument was regarding the cost of certification, not platform - and > whether KIE can develop a local certification instead of 'sending forex > abroad' > > On Nov 30, 2009 8:58 PM, "DAI" <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> wrote: > > ICDL is platform independent. Period. > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Evans Ikua > To: ke-users > Sent: >> > Monday, November 30, 200... > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > > > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > > _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers -- Kind regards, James J Ngatia Q: I could not, at any age, be content to take my place by the fireside and simply look on. Life was meant to be lived. Curiosity must be kept alive. One must never, for whatever reason, turn his back on life. ELEANOR ROOSEVELT: -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers

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Breaking News: South Africa's appeal court reject's claim by Telkom South Africa and fines $500 million
by Edith Adera 03 Dec '09

03 Dec '09

Independent research can make a difference in curbing anti-competitive behaviour and driving down costs. So watch out, those still keeping the Internet prices high! ====== Telkom was really trying to dig up unsubstantiated evidence against RIA's ability to conduct unbiased research in front of the Supreme Court of Appeal last week. Fortunately, justice remains on our side! For the judgment, I have attached the copy or you can find it at the weblink below: http://www.supremecourtofappeal.gov.za/judgments/judgem_sca_2009.html Unfortunately, they misnamed IDRC again on page 13... A short synopsis can be found on LIRNE Asia's blog: http://lirneasia.net/2009/11/south-african-appeal-court-affirms-role-of-ind… South African appeal court affirms role of independent think tanks In a major win for think tanks seeking to bring evidence to the policy process in developing countries, the Supreme Court of Appeal in South Africa, by its decision The Competition Commission of South Africa v TELKOM (Case No: 623/2008), has unequivocally overruled the claims of bias leveled against the LINK Centre, then headed by our colleague Alison Gillwald (now heading Research ICTs Africa). In addition to getting its odd argument rejected, Telkom will have to pay a 3.7 Billion Rand fine plus costs. Ouch! Alison is the featured dinner speaker at CPRsouth4 in Negombo, Sri Lanka, on December 7th. I am sure she will speak to this court case and the challenges facing policy intellectuals in environments like ours. The relevant excerpt of the judgment is given below. Three principal grounds for the alleged perception of bias are relied upon. First, the Link Centre received funding from some of the complainants in the SAVA complaint. This is disposed of quite easily. The Link Centre is a research and training body in the field of information and communications technology, policy, regulation and management. It is the only major organization in South Africa that focuses on these matters. It has published internationally and presented papers at conferences. While it is correct that the some of the complainants funded the Centre, the Link Centre also received funding from the government and from Vodacom, a company in which Telkom had a 50 percent shareholding. Its largest funding during the time of the investigation was from Vodacom. Telkom was approached for funding as well but declined to contribute. The donations from industry participants were less than a fifth of local donor contributions and a fraction of the multimillion Rand foreign donor contribution from the Canadian International Development Research Centre (IDRC). The second ground is that, the advisory board of the Link Centre included various people who were closely involved with the complainants at the relevant time, in particular, the co-president of SAVA and the co-president of ISPA. Thirdly, the authors of the Link Centre report made statements and pronouncements that were highly critical of Telkom prior to being employed to prepare the report. These statements are to the effect that Telkom's profits were outrageous; that ICASA's decisions were regularly overturned because of Telkom's influence; and that Telkom by using its monopoly power sought to retard growth of the value-added network and internet sectors and so interfered with the effectiveness of South African business. For example, Ms Gillwald, one of the authors of the Report, stated that 'a consequence of Telkom's unchecked dominance has also had a chilling effect on the partially-liberalised value-added services segment of the telecommunications market, which includes the internet service providers.' None of the statements or publications ascribed to the authors of the report was denied: however, all claims of bias were rejected, and Ms Gillwald deposed that the views of the authors of the report were founded on research.

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage Hijacked
by Barrack Otieno 02 Dec '09

02 Dec '09

Wow what a storm, As mentioned earlier, it seems consultations were held but some stakeholders must have been left out, David you are right in proposing for meeting of stakeholders we are in the era of GNU's and all sides must be heard, bwana PS dont get tired of our "Peculiar" habits, i guess KIE should host meeting this since going by the thread this is a matter that touches on the national education curricula, the agenda should be to address "Contentious issues", i commend those who came up with the proposals that tickled our emotions Regards On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:45 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Lets get it right the University teaches the basics the rest is for the > student to find out "I give you the power to read and do al that appertains to > this degree" not "with this degree thou shall be able to develop an erp > system". > > Many of us did out computer applications 101 on amstrad computers and > apples, yet because we got good grounding you are able to quickly learn and > utilise any new application be it wordstar, wordperfect, word or open > office. > > A driving school does not teach night driving or how to get out of mad, > they give you the basics and you pick the rest, so lets stop throwing stones > when we leave in glass houses. > > > Regards > > Robert Yawe > KAY System Technologies Ltd > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > Kenya > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > --- On *Wed, 2/12/09, DAI <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com>* wrote: > > > From: DAI <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> > > Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications > forbasiccomputer usage > To: "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru(a)gmail.com>, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > Cc: "robert yawe" <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk>, > ke-internetusers-bounces(a)bdix.net, "Evans Ikua" <ikua.evans(a)gmail.com>, > "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> > Date: Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 10:54 > > Dear all, > > There is a danger in involving a standardisation organisation such as KEBS > who deals with product standards and other fixed standards in anything which > deals with rapidly developing standards. > > Kenya is currently suffering from the misconception that ICT education can > be standardised in terms of the content. Therefore, some braindead > universities are still living in the mid-1990's, while offering > ICT-educations not even worth the paper they are distributed on. They are - > however - able to defend their backwardness, in that it is standard !!!! > > Thus, many universities teach Waterfall Model as development model for > Software, even though that model died hard more than a decade ago after > numerous billion dollar scandals. > > Standards in terms of software development which actually reinvents itself > almost every 5th year, shall deal with the standards on a meta level, and > KEBS is not in gear at all, to handle such a challenge. > > Let me be concrete: You can standardise software development by saying that > there shall be planning processes. You can for instance carefully talk about > the V-model for project development - but making it standard would kill the > universities once again. They would now think "V-Model" every time they talk > project development, instead of just thinking about what should be used !! > > You can standardise by specifying that a certain way of looking at software > production can be beneficiary. But don't make it standard. You are at high > risk of locking into our educational system a smart, modern, well thought > out model, which unfortunately turns into a dinosaur after only few years > because of that better systems have evolved. > > Therefore - Software Development IS a scientific area because of that it > develops so very very fast. Therefore one cannot lock the standards down in > heavy documents and books, but should rather standardise the framework in > which the standards can be recorded. > > In our little institute, we revise our educational material annually, and > rest assured that we are some times changing up to 40% of the content - the > market is changing that rapidly, and if we don't follow suit, we will not > maintain our position, ahead of the crowd. > > Therefore - please stay clear of standardisation organisations when we > discuss software, unless you are ready to re-standardise some every 3-4th > year. > > Kind regards > *Digital Age Institute Ltd. > *David Svarrer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Alex Gakuru <http://mc/compose?to=gakuru@gmail.com> > *To:* bitange(a)jambo.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke> > *Cc:* robert yawe <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> ; > ke-internetusers-bounces(a)bdix.net<http://mc/compose?to=ke-internetusers-bounces@bdix.net>; Evans > Ikua <http://mc/compose?to=ikua.evans@gmail.com> ; ke-users<http://mc/compose?to=ke-internetusers@bdix.net>; > DAI <http://mc/compose?to=svarrer@digitalageinstitute.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:21 PM > *Subject:* Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications > forbasiccomputer usage > > Asante Dr. Ndemo for scheduled meeting with KASNEB. > > I am actually typing this message from Kenya Bureau of Standards where > I have been attending a Technical Committee ("TC") meeting all > morning. Incidentally, KEBS would be very interested in partnering > with KASNEB on an ICT Standards examinable course( eg e-Learning, > Security, software, telecommunication, etc). > > Daktari, kindly share this with KASNEB CEO? > > regards, > > Alex > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:59 PM, <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke>> > wrote: > > Robert, > > I am meeting with KASNEB next week to consider a local equivalent > syllabus. Before we started CPA locally, we had to contend with ACCA for > some time. Bottom line we need standards now as we move into more IT enabled > services. Our prospective customers need the standards to gauge from where > we are starting. > > > > I understand all you are saying although it is a challenge for us to > start being more patriotic in all our endeavors. > > > > Regards > > > > Ndemo. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > > > > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:10:11 > > To: Evans Ikua<ikua.evans(a)gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=ikua.evans@gmail.com>>; > ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net<http://mc/compose?to=ke-internetusers@bdix.net>>; > DAI<svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com<http://mc/compose?to=svarrer@digitalageinstitute.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for > > basiccomputer usage > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ke-internetusers mailing list > > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net<http://mc/compose?to=ke-internetusers@bdix.net> > > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ke-internetusers mailing list > > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net<http://mc/compose?to=ke-internetusers@bdix.net> > > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail… > > -- Barrack O. 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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications forbasiccomputer usage
by robert yawe 02 Dec '09

02 Dec '09

Lets get it right the University teaches the basics the rest is for the student to find out "I give you the power to read and do al that appertains to this degree" not "with this degree thou shall be able to develop an erp system". Many of us did out computer applications 101 on amstrad computers and apples, yet because we got good grounding you are able to quickly learn and utilise any new application be it wordstar, wordperfect, word or open office. A driving school does not teach night driving or how to get out of mad, they give you the basics and you pick the rest, so lets stop throwing stones when we leave in glass houses. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Wed, 2/12/09, DAI <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> wrote: From: DAI <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications forbasiccomputer usage To: "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru(a)gmail.com>, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Cc: "robert yawe" <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk>, ke-internetusers-bounces(a)bdix.net, "Evans Ikua" <ikua.evans(a)gmail.com>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Date: Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 10:54 Dear all, There is a danger in involving a standardisation organisation such as KEBS who deals with product standards and other fixed standards in anything which deals with rapidly developing standards. Kenya is currently suffering from the misconception that ICT education can be standardised in terms of the content. Therefore, some braindead universities are still living in the mid-1990's, while offering ICT-educations not even worth the paper they are distributed on. They are - however - able to defend their backwardness, in that it is standard !!!! Thus, many universities teach Waterfall Model as development model for Software, even though that model died hard more than a decade ago after numerous billion dollar scandals. Standards in terms of software development which actually reinvents itself almost every 5th year, shall deal with the standards on a meta level, and KEBS is not in gear at all, to handle such a challenge. Let me be concrete: You can standardise software development by saying that there shall be planning processes. You can for instance carefully talk about the V-model for project development - but making it standard would kill the universities once again. They would now think "V-Model" every time they talk project development, instead of just thinking about what should be used !! You can standardise by specifying that a certain way of looking at software production can be beneficiary. But don't make it standard. You are at high risk of locking into our educational system a smart, modern, well thought out model, which unfortunately turns into a dinosaur after only few years because of that better systems have evolved. Therefore - Software Development IS a scientific area because of that it develops so very very fast. Therefore one cannot lock the standards down in heavy documents and books, but should rather standardise the framework in which the standards can be recorded. In our little institute, we revise our educational material annually, and rest assured that we are some times changing up to 40% of the content - the market is changing that rapidly, and if we don't follow suit, we will not maintain our position, ahead of the crowd. Therefore - please stay clear of standardisation organisations when we discuss software, unless you are ready to re-standardise some every 3-4th year. Kind regards Digital Age Institute Ltd. David Svarrer ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Gakuru To: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Cc: robert yawe ; ke-internetusers-bounces(a)bdix.net ; Evans Ikua ; ke-users ; DAI Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications forbasiccomputer usage Asante Dr. Ndemo for scheduled meeting with KASNEB. I am actually typing this message from Kenya Bureau of Standards where I have been attending a Technical Committee ("TC") meeting all morning. Incidentally, KEBS would be very interested in partnering with KASNEB on an ICT Standards examinable course( eg e-Learning, Security, software, telecommunication, etc). Daktari, kindly share this with KASNEB CEO? regards, Alex On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:59 PM, <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: > Robert, > I am meeting with KASNEB next week to consider a local equivalent syllabus. Before we started CPA locally, we had to contend with ACCA for some time. Bottom line we need standards now as we move into more IT enabled services. Our prospective customers need the standards to gauge from where we are starting. > > I understand all you are saying although it is a challenge for us to start being more patriotic in all our endeavors. > > Regards > > Ndemo. > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:10:11 > To: Evans Ikua<ikua.evans(a)gmail.com>; ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; DAI<svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> > Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for > basiccomputer usage > > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > > > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >

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ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage
by robert yawe 02 Dec '09

02 Dec '09

Hi, I have always said that Kenya has no shortage of thinkers, James why not run an online demonstration of your systems where we can participate without having to leave our cozy dens. Lets utilise technology to achieve our objectives. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Wed, 2/12/09, joseph james <jjngatia(a)gmail.com> wrote: From: joseph james <jjngatia(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> Cc: "Evans Ikua" <ikua.evans(a)gmail.com>, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru(a)gmail.com>, "Walubengo J" <jwalu(a)yahoo.com>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Date: Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 10:50 Robert, Thanks for the collective view. I can say that our company, Octopus ICT solutions has built the capacity in regards to global eLearning solutions visit www.easyLearning.co.ke and www.octopusict.com Our EasyLearning courses are distributed using scratch cards and Pin Code technology. Each card unlocks one course for a period of 3 months and each course has inbult exams with certificates options for each course completed. This is likened to a mock preparation phase prior to Invigilation where the student takes final exam for a curriculum of courses of choice like Project management, sales, marketing and so on... Ware also working with KDN on the DVN project the current with regards to supplying consumable eLearning solutions to users at grassroot level thro the Scratch card technology. We have piloted this in 4 Digital centers. I must say that this is a revenue generating scheme for DVN operators who will get the cards on commision for redistibution. The retail price is Kshs. 800 for any course on the easyLearning form. For example It will cost 800x7 for the 7 ICDL courses. Users can pursue certification as when and where they choose for a cost of say 8400 to 10000. The training and certification cost is approx. 14000 to 16000. In short, our eLearning idea like you mentioned, is in itself a business case for setting up a Digital village where people can use it a eLearning centre. It will be a great oppportunity to develop a similar IT curriculum for KASNEB and other organisations who choose to digitize their curricula. Let me know what you think on the above. Thank you for your veiws. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:19 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Walubengo, We need to let the experts do what they do best, KASNEB can examine any subject, I believe we need to develop and strengthen such institutions. Dr. Bitange has indicated that he is meeting KASNEB to discuss the same, lets all pray for the best. I noted a few people on this list are e-learning experts can they please start sending proposals to KASNEB and the ministry on how we can have the training offered electronically and also the examinations. This would be ideal as a revenue stream for the so called DigitalVillages. Don't hide your light under a bushel. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Wed, 2/12/09, Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> wrote: From: Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage To: "Evans Ikua" <ikua.evans(a)gmail.com>, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru(a)gmail.com>, "robert yawe" <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> Cc: "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Date: Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 10:09 Yawe, by the way, I had not seen that connection between ICDL and KASNEB. Actually KASNEB is doing what the government is attempting to do through ICDL. Indeed the IT Technician Exams (ICTT) provides "Computer Application Packages" (=ICDL) as just as one of its 6modules. Why not ask KASNEB to extract and repackage that exam into one that competes with ICDL? They have the infrastructure to execute this. Unfortunately some IT professionals felt and continue to feel that KASNEB should not "eat" into the IT market and should remain in the "accounting" side of things. However, KASNEB has evolved into an examinations brand and has the procedures and structures to literally examine anything thrown its way ;-) walu. nb: proclaimer:-i do happen to have some affiliation with KASNEB. --- On Wed, 12/2/09, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage To: "Evans Ikua" <ikua.evans(a)gmail.com>, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru(a)gmail.com> Cc: "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 1:19 PM Alex, I love a thought through response like this one, if KASNEB are good enough to certify our bean counters (read accountants) what makes them incompetent when it comes to developing an IT proficiency curriculum and examination? The KASNEB finance certification is recognized worldwide, I repeat worldwide and is treated as gospel within the greater east African region. An accountant is responsible for higher value activity so if we can test accountants why not IT proficiency. Come to think of it we even exam and certify doctors who last time I checked provide a more critical service than a typist using a work processor. Alex thanks for your input, now who will nip this new "anglo leasing" scam in the bud? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Tue, 1/12/09, Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> wrote: From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage To: "Evans Ikua" <ikua.evans(a)gmail.com> Cc: "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Date: Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 5:21 Evans, You may be pleased to know that the Kenya Accountants and Secretaries National Examinations Board (KASNEB) in 2006 introduced two examinable courses( 1 Professional Level("CICT"), 1 Technician Level"ICTT"). Last week, KASNEB Secretary and CEO kindly send me copies of the syllabus -(commencement June 2009) I have copied this message to KASNEB CEO with the hope that they may be interested in joining this list at least for the purpose of this discussion? Kind regards, Alex On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Evan's argument was regarding the cost of certification, not platform - and > whether KIE can develop a local certification instead of 'sending forex > abroad' > > On Nov 30, 2009 8:58 PM, "DAI" <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> wrote: > > ICDL is platform independent. Period. > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Evans Ikua > To: ke-users > Sent: >> > Monday, November 30, 200... > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > > > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > > _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers -- Kind regards, James J Ngatia Q: I could not, at any age, be content to take my place by the fireside and simply look on. Life was meant to be lived. Curiosity must be kept alive. One must never, for whatever reason, turn his back on life. ELEANOR ROOSEVELT:

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications forbasiccomputer usage
by robert yawe 02 Dec '09

02 Dec '09

Hi David, We need to move forward and set the stage for the rest, all we need is to talk to KDN, OrangeTelkom or Safaricom to setup a conferencing server and we can have this brainstorm virtually. We where all up in arms when the cabinet went to Mombasa on a 11 million bonding session. Most of them are over 60 so they need a siesta after every 2 hours on activity, they don't know any better so lets show by example. If one of those mentioned above is game then I am ready to offer my time and skill to run the virtual conference. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Wed, 2/12/09, DAI <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> wrote: From: DAI <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications forbasiccomputer usage To: "LEO" <onyango.liech(a)gmail.com>, bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Cc: "robert yawe" <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk>, ke-internetusers-bounces(a)bdix.net, "Evans Ikua" <ikua.evans(a)gmail.com>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Date: Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 10:45 Dear all, How about that we call for a grand meeting where we will do systematic brainstorming on the curriculum for the future ICT educations here in Kenya ? There are various very effective and systematic brain storming methods which can be used in large groups to reach consensus and conclusions in only 2-3 days. How do we gather the necessary financial support to make such an event take place for instance in January, we would in that case advertise the event in the Digital Age Journal, January 2010 issue, and we would report from the event in the February 2010 issue. I would propose that we simply meet, every one who have a positive interest in making Kenya a preferred outsourcing destination for High Tech - for instance in Software Development - and then we talk and systematically record what transpires.. Proposals welcome. We could have initial meetings in our institute. I propose that we meet for instance on Sunday, the 8th of December 2009, at 14:00. Our address is View Park Towers, 16th floor, Nairobi City. (Next to Anniversary Towers and opposite Alliance Francaise. Kind regards Digital Age Institute Ltd. David Svarrer ----- Original Message ----- From: LEO To: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Cc: robert yawe ; ke-internetusers-bounces(a)bdix.net ; Evans Ikua ; ke-users ; DAI Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications forbasiccomputer usage I agree with the PS on the fact that we need to start from somewhere in terms of standards. It is a high time we started putting a caveat to guide towards best practice and good quality of the educational requirements. on the same line, we need to start vetting the graduates that come from the numerous universities with an IT based degree. Some of these degrees produce half baked graduates. LEO On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:59 PM, <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: Robert, I am meeting with KASNEB next week to consider a local equivalent syllabus. Before we started CPA locally, we had to contend with ACCA for some time. Bottom line we need standards now as we move into more IT enabled services. Our prospective customers need the standards to gauge from where we are starting. I understand all you are saying although it is a challenge for us to start being more patriotic in all our endeavors. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:10:11 To: Evans Ikua<ikua.evans(a)gmail.com>; ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; DAI<svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers -- -- Regards LEO

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unsubscribing from the list; Marja Simojoki
by Simojoki Marja 02 Dec '09

02 Dec '09

Hi, I am leaving Kenya for good. Kindly drop me from the mailing list. It has been interesting reading, indeed! Best regards, Marja Simojoki Senior Programme Officer Embassy of Finland Tel: 020 3750721,22,23,24,26,27 P.O. Box 30379 Nairobi 00100, Kenya Eden Square, Block 3, 6th Floor Greenway Road, off Westlands Rd sanomat.nai(a)formin.fi<mailto:sanomat.nai@formin.fi> www.finland.or.ke<http://www.finland.or.ke> Please consider the environment - do you really need to print this email?

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Sir Tim Berners-lee web inventor
by robert yawe 02 Dec '09

02 Dec '09

I wish we could get to the gist of the issue, what matters is whether we heard what Sir Tim said about putting Kenya on the web map (world map is obsolete). >From the little I got of his speech that we all need to take home is generate content, do not try and filter or analyse just put local content on the web everything else is just domo domo (a really love political statements) an issue I have been thinking and preaching for years. As one great mind said to another, great minds think alike. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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