October 2008 - KICTANet

Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
by Gakuru Alex 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

For Your Information, Those intending to continue with this conversation please remove ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> from your circulation. I have just suspended John from that mailing list and we do not wish to receive any more messages under this thread. Thank you Alex Gakuru On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> wrote: > John, > > I am afraid I am forced to suspend your subscription from this list > and will not allow this conversation to continue. > > Regards, > > Alex > > 2008/10/7 John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com>: >> And you dont have to boast of your Kenyanness because having an American >> Tatoo will never make me an American nor is having to exploit a young >> ignorant African >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Crystal Watley <crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org> >> To: nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt(a)kencall.com> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; >> ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:34:47 PM >> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand >> Vested Interests >> >> Again. I like honesty. I know how a real Kenyan lives, obviously there is >> much you don't know about me, and I would never use a personal smear in such >> a discussion. Well, then maybe you are RIGHT. If that is the mark of a >> Kenyan. >> >> I have suffered poverty and hunger in the village alongside women. I have >> carried water on my head for kilometers. Every day for over a year I hiked >> everywhere with my three year old daughter tied to my back in a kanga. >> >> Sir, what is the mark of a Kenyan? >> >> I have given everything I owned to Kenya twice. Once when I moved here and >> once when I had to evacuate the post-election violence. How many would be >> willing to give up everything they owned and live in poverty in a rural >> village to understand Kenya? >> >> I respect you as a professional, but you have no right to judge my >> "Kenyanness" through a list forum. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Crystal >> >> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM, nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt(a)kencall.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I agree totally. >>> Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to >>> insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more investor >>> friendly and respectful environment... Perhaps this person needs to put >>> their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very different >>> perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they were to >>> invest in anything substantial in Kenya... >>> It is Econet's investors' money. It is not Kenya's money... >>> Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the >>> participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game based on >>> rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of someone's >>> investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law mandates >>> that they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned investment? >>> The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were still >>> required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea >>> kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into >>> partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been in >>> Kenya and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and investment >>> unfriendly policies... >>> Bravo, Daktari Ndemo! >>> >>> Nicholas A. Nesbitt >>> Chief Executive Officer >>> KenCall EPZ Ltd >>> P.O. Box 27507 - 00506 >>> Sameer Industrial Park, Mombasa Road >>> Nairobi, Kenya >>> +254.20.660.2000 (office) >>> +254.20.660.2222 (fax) >>> +254.721.458.458 (cell) >>> nnesbitt(a)kencall.com >>> www.kencall.com >>> BEST Non-European Contact Centre 2008 >>> >>> >>> Fastest Growing Top 100 company >>> On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Crystal Watley wrote: >>> >>> I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be nothing >>> less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn through the mud >>> next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and frank in >>> this matter. >>> >>> When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and >>> look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the news I >>> see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always >>> campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their way >>> of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing. >>> >>> Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance >>> record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in his >>> office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this is >>> the rule NOT the exception. >>> >>> Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public >>> office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees. They >>> work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer views an >>> employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes from >>> their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office working? We >>> need to set higher standards for our government. This is not accomplished by >>> breaking the good ones down. >>> >>> Asante sana. >>> >>> Crystal >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Smells like a smear campaign to me. >>>> >>>> I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote: >>>> >>>> > http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > kictanet mailing list >>>> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> > >>>> > This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net >>>> > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ >>>> > mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> >>>> This message was sent to: crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafri… >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Crystal "Naliaka" Watley >>> Voices of Africa >>> crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org >>> http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ >>> >>> "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: nnesbitt(a)kencall.com >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nnesbitt%40kencall.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Crystal "Naliaka" Watley >> Voices of Africa >> crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org >> http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ >> >> "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ke-internetusers mailing list >> ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net >> http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >> >> > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >

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Tusker, Flaming and Google's Mail Goggles
by Francis Hook 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

On a very light note - and because someone mentioned Tusker at some point in a recent post. Google are working to ensure "responsible posting" where EABL's "responsible drinking" can't reach ...online see the link: http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-lat… kictanet-request@ lists.kictanet.or .ke To Sent by: FHook(a)idc.com kictanet-bounces cc +fhook=idc.com@li sts.kictanet.or.k Subject e kictanet Digest, Vol 17, Issue 13 10/08/2008 02:22 PM Please respond to kictanet(a)lists.ki ctanet.or.ke Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests (John Maina) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 04:20:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests To: nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt(a)kencall.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>, ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Message-ID: <507379.23402.qm(a)web59514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nick You see that its only people like you who are in Kenya not to develope Kenya but to exploit are the ones supporting Ndemo. Crooks like him. You are known and even the BPO society know you as someone who is known not to support the general development and economic improvement of thee country. You are known as someone who even his own staff he has consistently paid poorly. When did Ndemo give Kenyans a chance to buy the companies and they said they couldnt? He wouldd rather go to Libya and go and make secret deals there. Am not suprised that you support him but know that no matter how long it takees. Kenyans will recover Kenya from looters like you JM ----- Original Message ---- From: nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt(a)kencall.com> To: j.maina(a)ymail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:13:01 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests I agree totally. Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more investor friendly and respectful environment... Perhaps this person needs to put their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very different perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they were to invest in anything substantial in Kenya... It is Econet's investors' money. It is not Kenya's money... Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game based on rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of someone's investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law mandates that they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned investment? The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were still required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been in Kenya and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and investment unfriendly policies... Bravo, Daktari Ndemo! Nicholas A. Nesbitt Chief Executive Officer KenCall EPZ Ltd P.O. Box 27507 - 00506 Sameer Industrial Park, Mombasa Road Nairobi, Kenya +254.20.660.2000 (office) +254.20.660.2222 (fax) +254.721.458.458 (cell) nnesbitt(a)kencall.com www.kencall.com BEST Non-European Contact Centre 2008 Fastest Growing Top 100 company On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Crystal Watley wrote: I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be nothing less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn through the mud next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and frank in this matter. When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the news I see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their way of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing. Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in his office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this is the rule NOT the exception. Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees. They work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer views an employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes from their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office working? We need to set higher standards for our government. This is not accomplished by breaking the good ones down. Asante sana. Crystal On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net> wrote: Smells like a smear campaign to me. I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong. B On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote: > http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ > mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafri… -- Crystal "Naliaka" Watley Voices of Africa crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: nnesbitt(a)kencall.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nnesbitt%40kencall.com

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Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
by John Maina 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

Brian Stop protecting thieves. If you dont have facts, ask for them. PS Ndemo knows what he has done wrong ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net> To: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 5:32:10 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests Smells like a smear campaign to me. I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong. B On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote: > http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ > mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net

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Kenyan banks and stock market
by aki 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

The global slow down is on. Asian markets have headed down steeply today morning. Kenya is not an island in the global economy. Anyone aware of steps already taken by the Govt/ Companies/Banks to protect/stabilize local market and prevent a crash or closures?

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Webcast Tomorrow: Disaster Risk Management in the Information Age, Oct 8-9
by Harry Hare 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

Fyi...might interest some of you. Cheers Harry ------ Forwarded Message From: <edevelopment(a)worldbank.org> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:23:55 -0400 To: <e-Development_TG_External(a)worldbank.org>, <e-Development_TG_External_1(a)worldbank.org> Subject: Webcast Tomorrow: Disaster Risk Management in the Information Age, Oct 8-9 Dear colleagues We invite you to participate in the live webcast of a workshop on ?Disaster Risk Management in the Information Age? organized by the World Bank's Global Information Communication and Technology Department, infoDev, Global Facility for Disaster Reduction and Recovery (GFDRR), and the Latin American Disaster Risk Management team. Jointly we have put together an exciting program of panel discussions on different aspects of using ICT to assess, mitigate, prepare, and recover from disasters. You can also post comments and questions on our new eDevelopment Blog: http://edevelopmentblog.org Disaster Risk Management in the Information Age Oct. 8-9, 2008, 9:00 - 1:30 pm ET LIVE WEBCAST: http://www.worldbank.org/edevelopment/live All workshop materials will be available at: http://www.worldbank.org/edevelopment Program Description Between 1980 and 2006, natural disasters killed more than 2 million people worldwide and reported damages totaled 1.2 trillion USD. For example, the 2005 Pakistan earthquake caused about $5 billion damages. There were 5,210 disasters worldwide between 1991 and 2005. The World Bank has a large lending portfolio of natural disaster risk management projects: 195 active and pipeline projects amounting to USD 8248 Million. How does the information revolution change the way we deal with disasters? The key objective of this workshop is to raise awareness on the opportunities to improve the impact of disaster risk management projects via innovative and effective use of ICT and to help understand better key lessons learned, success factors and good practices. A series of case studies and presentations will discuss the enabling and transformational role of ICT applications throughout the full cycle of Disaster Risk Management activities: risk assessment, mitigation, preparedness, response and recovery. The Workshop will identify challenges and key issues, best practices and critical success factors, latest trends, solutions and technologies, as well as the policy recommendations and opportunities for mainstreaming and more effective use of ICT in the World Bank disaster risk management portfolio. How to make ICT a transformational enabler of better disaster risk management? What are the critical success factors for effective application of ICT in this area? What is the role of open source, mobile and other Web 2.0 tools? What is the role of Public Private Partnerships? The workshop will feature a number of distinguished experts: Alta Haggarty (UN OCHA) Gianluca Bruni (UN World Food Program, via VC from Rome) Chanuka Wattegama (LIRNEasia, formerly with UNDP) Paul Margie (Telecom Sans Frontiers) Charles Scawthorn (Kyoto University) Carmelle Terborgh (ESRI) Inderjit Claire (RMSI) Eric Rasmussen (InSTEDD) Gisli Olafsson (Microsoft) Andrew Levy (IBM) S. Rangarajan (World Space) John C. Scott (Center for Public Service Communications) Ken Zita (Network Dymanics Associates) Bill Gail (Microsoft) Saroj Jha (GFDRR/World Bank) Francis Ghesquiere (World Bank) Philippe Dongier (World Bank) Valerie D'Costa (infoDev) Deepak Bhatia (World Bank) Uwe Deichmann (World Bank) Samia Melhem (World Bank)) Hemang Karelia (GFDRR) Ramesh Siva (World Bank))) Sanjaya Bhatia (GFDRR) Edward Anderson (World Bank)) Trond Vedeld (World Bank) Reza Firuzabadi (World Bank)) ------ End of Forwarded Message

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
by Crystal Watley 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

Is this professional? Please see below. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:57 AM, John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> wrote: And you dont have to boast of your Kenyanness because having an American Tatoo will never make me an American nor is having to exploit a young ignorant African Sir, My husband is a well educated Kenyan who is two years my senior. You have no right to make such remarks on list or off. Again, is mud slinging what you consider to be the mark of being a Kenyan? The problem in Kenya is that people turn on each other instead of focusing on the problems and addressing them together. This leads to hate and violence that is uncalled for. Until we all commit to making a change in our mentalities and attitudes, from one of victimhood and name calling to one of empowerment, nothing will change. HOW TO GET RID OF A BAD EMPLOYEE First, you determine if their actual work performance is worth keeping them in your company, organization, or GOVERNMENT. Second, if they are found lacking, confront them directly in a calm and civilized manner based on factual evidence. Third, if the factual evidence shows a breach in their "contract" for employment, dismiss them. Fourth, if they have broken laws take them to court. Hold them accountable. Crystal Is this professional? Please see below. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:57 AM, John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> wrote: And you dont have to boast of your Kenyanness because having an American Tatoo will never make me an American nor is having to exploit a young ignorant African > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Crystal Watley <crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org> > To: nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt(a)kencall.com> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; > ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> > Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:34:47 PM > Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand > Vested Interests > > Again. I like honesty. I know how a real Kenyan lives, obviously there is > much you don't know about me, and I would never use a personal smear in such > a discussion. Well, then maybe you are RIGHT. If that is the mark of a > Kenyan. > > I have suffered poverty and hunger in the village alongside women. I have > carried water on my head for kilometers. Every day for over a year I hiked > everywhere with my three year old daughter tied to my back in a kanga. > > Sir, what is the mark of a Kenyan? > > I have given everything I owned to Kenya twice. Once when I moved here and > once when I had to evacuate the post-election violence. How many would be > willing to give up everything they owned and live in poverty in a rural > village to understand Kenya? > > I respect you as a professional, but you have no right to judge my > "Kenyanness" through a list forum. > > Thank you. > > Crystal > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM, nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt(a)kencall.com>wrote: > >> I agree totally. >> Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to >> insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more investor >> friendly and respectful environment... Perhaps this person needs to put >> their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very different >> perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they were to >> invest in anything substantial in Kenya... >> >> It is Econet's investors' money. It is not Kenya's money... >> >> Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the >> participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game based on >> rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of someone's >> investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law mandates >> that they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned investment? >> The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were still >> required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea >> kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into >> partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been in >> Kenya and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and investment >> unfriendly policies... >> Bravo, Daktari Ndemo! >> >> >> Nicholas A. Nesbitt >> Chief Executive Officer >> KenCall EPZ Ltd >> P.O. Box 27507 - 00506 >> Sameer Industrial Park, Mombasa Road >> Nairobi, Kenya >> >> +254.20.660.2000 (office) >> +254.20.660.2222 (fax) >> +254.721.458.458 (cell) >> >> nnesbitt(a)kencall.com >> www.kencall.com >> >> BEST Non-European Contact Centre 2008 >> >> >> >> *Fastest Growing Top 100 company* >> >> On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Crystal Watley wrote: >> >> I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be nothing >> less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn through the mud >> next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and frank in >> this matter. >> >> When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and >> look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the news I >> see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always >> campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their way >> of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing. >> >> Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance >> record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in his >> office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this is >> the rule NOT the exception. >> >> Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public >> office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees. They >> work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer views an >> employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes from >> their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office working? We >> need to set higher standards for our government. This is not accomplished by >> breaking the good ones down. >> >> Asante sana. >> >> Crystal >> >> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net>wrote: >> >>> Smells like a smear campaign to me. >>> >>> I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong. >>> >>> B >>> >>> On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote: >>> >>> > http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > kictanet mailing list >>> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> > >>> > This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net >>> > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ >>> > mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafri… >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Crystal "Naliaka" Watley >> Voices of Africa >> crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org >> http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ >> >> "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: nnesbitt(a)kencall.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nnesbitt%40kencall.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Crystal "Naliaka" Watley > Voices of Africa > crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org > http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ > > "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi > > -- Crystal "Naliaka" Watley Voices of Africa crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi

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Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 17, Issue 9
by Francis Hook 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

I agree with Brian. I recall covering the econet issue before Dr Ndemo became PS. we have since moved in leaps and bounds. Mischief at work here. We have all seen in recent months unsubstantiated claims (outside ICT) with people becoming needlessly emotional and regurgitating ill digested 'facts' - to little avail. ----- Original Message ----- From: kictanet-request Sent: 07/10/2008 20:08 ZE3 To: Francis Hook Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 17, Issue 9 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests (John Maina) 2. Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests (Crystal Watley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests To: David Otwoma <otwomad(a)gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>, ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Message-ID: <421239.17908.qm(a)web59511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David Dont just beg PS Ndemo because he is your boss. Know the facts. Do you think that what Ndemo did with the libyans, french, Moi family and all the crooks is nice? Is that the kind of boss you want? I see you protecting your tusker but others also have to live and niot be denied a chance by crooks like Ndemo JM ----- Original Message ---- From: David Otwoma <otwomad(a)gmail.com> To: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:31:32 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests Hi John, That is a bit too strong coming from a Professor. If you have facts the law enforcers should be given as this forum may not be able to arrest/act accordingly etc. on anyone who breaks the 10 commandments (of the Xtian holy book). Otherwise keep off from what I drink (tusker) if it makes you think of the river songs. Kind regards, Daudi On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM, John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> wrote: Brian Stop protecting thieves. If you dont have facts, ask for them. PS Ndemo knows what he has done wrong ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net> To: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 5:32:10 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests Smells like a smear campaign to me. I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong. B On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote: > http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ > mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: otwomad(a)gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otwomad%40gmail.com -- David Otwoma, Chief Science Secretary, National Council for Science and Technology, Utalii House 9th Floor, Mobile tel: +254 722 141771, Office tel: +254 (0)20 2346915, P. O. Box 29899 - 00100, Nairobi, Kenya email: otwomad(a)gmail.com & otwoma(a)ncst.go.ke www.ncst.go.ke

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Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
by John Maina 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

David Dont just beg PS Ndemo because he is your boss. Know the facts. Do you think that what Ndemo did with the libyans, french, Moi family and all the crooks is nice? Is that the kind of boss you want? I see you protecting your tusker but others also have to live and niot be denied a chance by crooks like Ndemo JM ----- Original Message ---- From: David Otwoma <otwomad(a)gmail.com> To: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:31:32 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests Hi John, That is a bit too strong coming from a Professor. If you have facts the law enforcers should be given as this forum may not be able to arrest/act accordingly etc. on anyone who breaks the 10 commandments (of the Xtian holy book). Otherwise keep off from what I drink (tusker) if it makes you think of the river songs. Kind regards, Daudi On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM, John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> wrote: Brian Stop protecting thieves. If you dont have facts, ask for them. PS Ndemo knows what he has done wrong ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net> To: John Maina <j.maina(a)ymail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 5:32:10 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests Smells like a smear campaign to me. I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong. B On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote: > http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ > mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: otwomad(a)gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otwomad%40gmail.com -- David Otwoma, Chief Science Secretary, National Council for Science and Technology, Utalii House 9th Floor, Mobile tel: +254 722 141771, Office tel: +254 (0)20 2346915, P. O. Box 29899 - 00100, Nairobi, Kenya email: otwomad(a)gmail.com & otwoma(a)ncst.go.ke www.ncst.go.ke

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Norwegian standards body implodes over OOXML controversy
by waudo siganga 04 Oct '08

04 Oct '08

Hi All - Last time some 3 colleagues from KEBS TC attended a meeting in Geneva. Is this thing over or what? [1]http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081003-norwegian-standa rds-body-implodes-over-ooxml-controversy.html Waudo =C References 1. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081003-norwegian-standards-body-impl… Life is but a series of decisions and consequences therefrom

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skunkworks@innovation tomorrow
by Gakuru Alex 03 Oct '08

03 Oct '08

You are most welcome! A free event for everyone to discover great technologies, learn about the best software solutions Kenya has to offer and meet the community that develops it. Visit a range of exhibitors, solutions, and meet some great people and projects along the way. We have a wonderful line-up of technologies including • Mobile devices communications solutions • Games • ERPs • content applications, • educational applications • Demonstration of FOSS-based locally developed software • Demonstration of proprietary-based locally developed software Come and explore the new world of technology freedom 8AM TO 5PM SAT 4TH OCTOBER, PANAFRIC HOTEL Regards, Alex

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